Let's enter unity consciousness

[opas23]

Originally Posted by lonestar

can you recommend any other forums that talk about universal consciousness and non duality? i found a few blogs selling shit but no forums just talking about it.

I'm not sure about forums talking about it, but I do prefer actual talking and meeting if possible. If not, then actual talking on the phone or other online alternative is good fun and I've met and talked with a few people on this forum and had a great laugh.

There seems to be a lot more than simply sharing concepts when actually meeting people.

And that, for some people, is a wonderful clue pointing away from concepted ideas towards the simple, actual, alive presence of this obvious moment which has never denied anyone a constant invitation to simply be.

PM me and we'll chat for real,

Opas23.

[lonestar]

ive never been a big Bashar fan but that was a great vid! thanks

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by opas23

I'm not sure about forums talking about it, but I do prefer actual talking and meeting if possible. If not, then actual talking on the phone or other online alternative is good fun and I've met and talked with a few people on this forum and had a great laugh.

There seems to be a lot more than simply sharing concepts when actually meeting people.


Opas23.

no way i can meet too many people to talk about this in person down here in south texas. lol why in the hell have so many people in England started waking up first?

and i will PM you with some questions thanks!

[opas23]

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

Am I trying to become more special? It depends on what we mean. In the sense of becoming more powerful, then yes.

So there is a desire for more power, in order to avoid fear?

OK thanks, that explains a lot.

I wonder what would happen, if all so called 'power' was depleted and there was only 'less' left, almost nothing. Then, perhaps, there would be nothing to avoid the apparent fear. What then?

This is always a possibility...when 'defenceless', fear can lose it's sting as surely as death and maybe welcomed as a coming home to something 'we' seemed to be going in the opposite direction for.

There are no rules to this, but it certainly appears to be seemingly harder and a longer route if 'more power' is desired to thwart/integrate/avoid fear.

It seems very egoic doesn't it.

All the best,

Opas23.

[Anders Lindman]

Originally Posted by opas23

So there is a desire for more power, in order to avoid fear?

OK thanks, that explains a lot.

I wonder what would happen, if all so called 'power' was depleted and there was only 'less' left, almost nothing. Then, perhaps, there would be nothing to avoid the apparent fear. What then?

This is always a possibility...when 'defenceless', fear can lose it's sting as surely as death and maybe welcomed as a coming home to something 'we' seemed to be going in the opposite direction for.

There are no rules to this, but it certainly appears to be seemingly harder and a longer route if 'more power' is desired to thwart/integrate/avoid fear.

It seems very egoic doesn't it.

All the best,

Opas23.

My theory is that unity consciousness will lead to more power by removing things that push us down such as fear, confusion and conflicts. David Icke has talked about an analogy where humanity is being pushed down like a ball in a tank of water. The natural state of the ball is to pop up to the surface.

[opas23]

Originally Posted by jconnar

The sorcerers get in touch with this field. The field permeates reality and all that is.

Perhaps the field, the permeation, the reality and all that is, are the same thing/no~thing?

[opas23]

Originally Posted by lonestar

no way i can meet too many people to talk about this in person down here in south texas. lol why in the hell have so many people in England started waking up first?

and i will PM you with some questions thanks!

lonestar, here for 'me', there is no difference between awake or asleep!

Maybe that could be referred to as 'awakened', I dunno.

I am nothing special and don't consider myself anything other than a down to earth normal guy who has found absolutely nothing!

Opas23.

[opas23]

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

My theory is that unity consciousness will lead to more power by removing things that push us down such as fear, confusion and conflicts. David Icke has talked about an analogy where humanity is being pushed down like a ball in a tank of water. The natural state of the ball is to pop up to the surface.

That is a fascinating theory Anders and I remember Ickey saying that yes.

And what would happen if that whole idea or theory were dropped, just for a moment?

What would be left?

Is there an apparent attachment to a belief going on here?

Maybe there is another way, or 'wayless way' if you will...the final piece in the jigsaw, which the theorizing hasn't yet contemplated.

All the best now,

Opas23.

[Anders Lindman]

Originally Posted by opas23

That is a fascinating theory Anders and I remember Ickey saying that yes.

And what would happen if that whole idea or theory were dropped, just for a moment?

What would be left?

Is there an apparent attachment to a belief going on here?

Maybe there is another way, or 'wayless way' if you will...the final piece in the jigsaw, which the theorizing hasn't yet contemplated.

All the best now,

Opas23.

I'm using the scientific method to test the idea. This means having theories and then testing the theories with experiments. Reducing fear is one such experiment.

[opas23]

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

I'm using the scientific method to test the idea. This means having theories and then testing the theories with experiments. Reducing fear is one such experiment.

Anders, you are a man after my own heart, and I absolutely agree with you.

This is why I would like to invite you into a live experiment with myself.

If you or anyone else is interested in participating in this live experiment then do PM me as some of you already have, and we'll have some great fun seeing how easy and simple certain complicated concepts can be immanently celebrated in the appearance of this present moment.

Success rate has been very encouraging indeed.

All the best my brother,

Opas23.

[Anders Lindman]

Originally Posted by opas23

This is why I would like to invite you into a live experiment with myself.

What kind of experiment do you have in mind? I have noticed that my discipline when doing the experiments in practice is a bit lacking. I tried recently to test J. Krishnamurti's idea that choice is confusion and remove choice from my daily life for a week, a kind of choiceless awareness experiment. I soon forgot about it. So now I have reduced the test so that I only try to reduce my choices, instead of trying to remove them completely.

[opas23]

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

What kind of experiment do you have in mind? I have noticed that my discipline when doing the experiments in practice is a bit lacking. I tried recently to test J. Krishnamurti's idea that choice is confusion and remove choice from my daily life for a week, a kind of choiceless awareness experiment. I soon forgot about it. So now I have reduced the test so that I only try to reduce my choices, instead of trying to remove them completely.

No nothing like that which requires any discipline and certainly not as convoluted as an apparent chooser attempting not to choose any choices! lol

The feedback from people participating in this experiment has been great.

It's very ancient and at the same time made new and fresh by being utilised presently.

Although I find it very difficult to describe, I shall attempt to do so with the most simple words I can...

...we'll talk for a while, kind of like self enquiry, and see how it goes from there as the experiment has a way of unfolding in it's own way which is never the same for everyone.

PM me and we'll get started OK.

[Anders Lindman]

Originally Posted by opas23

No nothing like that which requires any discipline and certainly not as convoluted as an apparent chooser attempting not to choose any choices! lol

The feedback from people participating in this experiment has been great.

It's very ancient and at the same time made new and fresh by being utilised presently.

Although I find it very difficult to describe, I shall attempt to do so with the most simple words I can...

...we'll talk for a while, kind of like self enquiry, and see how it goes from there as the experiment has a way of unfolding in it's own way which is never the same for everyone.

PM me and we'll get started OK.

I don't use the PM. Too much of social networking for me.

[opas23]

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

I don't use the PM. Too much of social networking for me.

OK no probs

[lonestar]

put me down as hatin the idea of not having any "choice" LOL

[opas23]

Originally Posted by lonestar

put me down as hatin the idea of not having any "choice" LOL

The door is always open to all.

[lonestar]

and also that it takes a lot of courage for us to even be talkin about stuff like this on a daily basis! its fucking work!

[Anders Lindman]

Originally Posted by lonestar

put me down as hatin the idea of not having any "choice" LOL

I don't know for sure if choice is an illusion or not. But even if free will is real, to at least reduce the choice-making is a good idea I thought, because J. Krishnamurti seems to be correct about choice being confusion.

Instead of choice to focus on co-creation instead. Choice means an initial uncertainty between this and that. That uncertainty is confusion! So instead of letting the mind start making choices, to stay in the confusion. Then people may think: well, that sucks even more, to stay in confusion. But the idea is to stay in confusion until it starts to dissolve and then clarity emerges.

[opas23]

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

I don't know for sure if choice is an illusion or not. But even if free will is real, to at least reduce the choice-making is a good idea I thought, because J. Krishnamurti seems to be correct about choice being confusion.

Instead of choice to focus on co-creation instead. Choice means an initial uncertainty between this and that. That uncertainty is confusion! So instead of letting the mind start making choices, to stay in the confusion. Then people may think: well, that sucks even more, to stay in confusion. But the idea is to stay in confusion until it starts to dissolve and then clarity emerges.

'Choice Being Confusion' could perhaps mean something very simple and elementary rather than a long drawn out complicated idea.

For some, the confusion of 'choice' has completely and utterly vanished into thin air! lol

The strange and liberating thing about this, can be the absolute and overwhelming recognition that there never was a choice at all, ever.

This can be the source of much laughter and freedom to celebrate remembering this obviousness.

So in this context, the phrase 'choice being confusion' makes absolute and perfect sense.

[jconnar]

Is self inquiry a way of becoming more aware of yourself?