Let's enter unity consciousness

[alisa2]

from wiki:


"The theory of a division of consciousness was touched upon by Carl Jung in 1935 when he stated, "The so-called unity of consciousness is an illusion... we like to think that we are one but we are not."[1] Ernest Hilgard believed that hypnosis causes a split in awareness and a vivid form of everyday mind splits. [2] Drawing themes from Pierre Janet, Hilgard viewed hypnosis from this perspective as a willingness to divide the main systems of consciousness into different sectors. He argued that this split in consciousness can not only help define the state of mind reached during hypnosis, but can also help to define a vast range of psychological issues such as multiple personality disorder. "


I think the problem is the word consciousness. Scientists and psychologists can study consciousness, but what about conscience? That's what needs to be awakened, in my opinion. Leave consciousness for the scientists and psychologists. What needs to be awakened is conscience.


Stephen Jourdain: "But this condition is the first condition for the existence of the triangle. Of course it is a metaphor, I mean me. I speak about the principle "Me". Principle of conscience. "




From the Book of Secrets by Osho

"Internal organs… You can then look through those internal organs. And then—the me. It is difficult to express it in words. That’s why the word “me” is used: any word will be wrong—“me” is also wrong—but the “I” has disappeared. So remember, this “me” doesn’t have anything to do with “I.” When thoughts are uprooted, when I-ness has disappeared, when internal organs are known, the “me” appears. Then for the first time my real being is revealed—that real being is called “me.”

The outer world is no more, thoughts are no more, the feeling of ego is no more, and I have come to recognize my own internal organs of knowing, consciousness, intelligence—or whatsoever you call it—awareness, alertness. Then, in the light of this internal organ, “me” is revealed.

This “me” doesn’t belong to you. This “me” is your innermost center, unknown to you. This “me” is not an ego. This “me” is not against any you. This “me” is cosmic, this “me” has no boundaries. This “me” is everything implied. This “me” is not the wave, this “me” is the ocean.

[alisa2]

From Samuel Johnson's dictionary of the English language (1755)

Conscience. 1. The knowledge or faculty by which we judge our goodness or wickedness of ourselves.

When a people have no touch of conscience, no sense of their evil doings, it is bootless to think to restrain them. Spencer

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by alisa2

from wiki:


"The theory of a division of consciousness was touched upon by Carl Jung in 1935 when he stated, "The so-called unity of consciousness is an illusion... we like to think that we are one but we are not."


From the Book of Secrets by Osho

"Internal organs… You can then look through those internal organs. And then—the me. It is difficult to express it in words. That’s why the word “me” is used: any word will be wrong—“me” is also wrong—but the “I” has disappeared. So remember, this “me” doesn’t have anything to do with “I.” When thoughts are uprooted, when I-ness has disappeared, when internal organs are known, the “me” appears. Then for the first time my real being is revealed—that real being is called “me.”

The outer world is no more, thoughts are no more, the feeling of ego is no more, and I have come to recognize my own internal organs of knowing, consciousness, intelligence—or whatsoever you call it—awareness, alertness. Then, in the light of this internal organ, “me” is revealed.

This “me” doesn’t belong to you. This “me” is your innermost center, unknown to you. This “me” is not an ego. This “me” is not against any you. This “me” is cosmic, this “me” has no boundaries. This “me” is everything implied. This “me” is not the wave, this “me” is the ocean.

love me some Osho.

but ive never really resonated with guys like Carl Jung, Sig Freud, and Tony Parsons. lol

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by alisa2

From Samuel Johnson's dictionary of the English language (1755)

Conscience. 1. The knowledge or faculty by which we judge our goodness or wickedness of ourselves.

When a people have no touch of conscience, no sense of their evil doings, it is bootless to think to restrain them. Spencer

dont hate the sinner, hate the sin.

[alisa2]

The ME principle: I am you and you are me..

A part of me is in everyone and everything...

What I do to you, I do to myself.

[alisa2]

Originally Posted by lonestar

dont hate the sinner, hate the sin.

Your conscience is your own judge and jury. That's what it comes down to.

Con't from Johnson's:

"Conscience signifies that knowledge which a man hath of his own thoughts and actions, by comparing them with the law of God, his mind will approve or condemn him. This knowledge or conscience maybe both an accuser and a judge."

[alisa2]

A prime example of the no conscience problem in the world:.


From the Dorean Group's Mortgage blog:




JA said: The depth and breadth of fraud, criminality and stupidity in this mess just won't quit and has no boundary.


'Mortgage Settlement' Funds Paying for Prisons, Not Foreclosure Relief

As part of a financial settlement over fraudulent mortgage practices earlier this year, some of the nation's largest banks agreed to make payments to state government totaling $2.5 billion that would be earmarked for victims of wrongful foreclosure and other distressed homeowners. Instead, reports the New York Times today, a majority of those funds are going to plug state budget shortfalls, leaving homeowners without recourse and validating critics who questioned the strength of the deal when it was announced in February. .

The New York Times: Needy States Use Housing Aid Cash to Plug Budgets. Only 27 states have devoted all their funds from the banks to housing programs, according to a report by Enterprise Community Partners, a national affordable housing group. So far about 15 states have said they will use all or most of the money for other purposes. In Texas, $125 million went straight to the general fund. Missouri will use its $40 million to soften cuts to higher education. Indiana is spending more than half its allotment to pay energy bills for low-income families, while Virginia will use most of its $67 million to help revenue-starved local governments. Like California, some other states with outsize problems from the housing bust are spending the money for something other than homeowner relief. Georgia, where home prices are still falling, will use its $99 million to lure companies to the state. “

[lighthouse]

Originally Posted by lonestar

lol yes maybe youre right, as soon as i read this i felt some fear. so there must be some truth to it. its so lonely deep down inside ourselves facing ourselves. this truth sucks. and it requires us to keep going deeper and deeper within ourselves until we get down to our bowels and it smells like shit down here.

sorry, just keeping it real like my friend lighthouse. (grin)

Yep, it does. Sometimes it smells even worse.

Real is the real deal. Shitty or not.

Originally Posted by lonestar

key quotes from francis for lighthouse.

"if you think about it, its the perfect solution for many of the illnesses that plague society.

think of racism, it has no place if there is only one consciousness

there would be no gender differences in unity con

it is also the direct route to compassion

the path to love

but it is even more than that!

it is also a very interesting creative way to conduct experiments with life. to talk to ourselves.

its a playful thing! but usually we dont want to see miracles and if we dont want to see miracles we wont see any miracles...

but if we try this experiment then the response from the universe will be magnificent!!"

In that way, losing the sense of all that separation changes
perspective on many stuff.
Thanks for resuming the video for me, Lonestar.

Originally Posted by alisa2

The ME principle: I am you and you are me..

A part of me is in everyone and everything...

What I do to you, I do to myself.

It is true.
It would be wonderful if people were aware of the fact
everything and everyone around them are reflections of themselves.

[exford]

Where's the Anders chap??????????

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by exford

Where's the Anders chap??????????

good question exford!

from the information I've been given (from a very reliable source)

is that those who "ascend to unity consciousness"

will eventually be able to go back and forth between these two "earths"

two different levels...

at will

to visit those left behind

catch a movie, grab a drink,

whatever.





so Anders?????


where's my fucking popcorn chap????????


wish you were here

Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here - YouTube

Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here - YouTube

<3


__________________
Originally Posted by ambler1980
From the information I've been given (from a very reliable source) is that those who "ascend" will eventually be able to go back and forth between these two "earths", two different levels...at will, to visit those left behind, catch a movie, grab a drink, whatever.

[lighthouse]

Originally Posted by lonestar

wish you were here

Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here - YouTube

<3

Same to Opas23.

[hierophant]

Originally Posted by lighthouse

Witnessing is OK until it starts to be dissociation.
That is something else.

witnessing can also take the form of avoidance and lead to even more separation. if something painful happen you might tell yourself "that's not me, just what's arising in consciousness". i could stay detached from these experiences for quite a while but then it often just became too much and many situations were literally barking at me for finding a solution

Originally Posted by lighthouse

It's absolutely logical and true, that center must collapse.
How it is done, that is the real problem.

atm, i'm back on track of the middle way, arranging myself with the strengths and weaknesses of my personality. how could i believe this center would collapse by my own effort? how can the ego destroy the ego? it really doesn't make sense...

Originally Posted by lighthouse

Intelectually are very few things realyl transcended.
Just my experience, and of people around me.
Mind tolerates all kind of perversions ,
stretches like a rubber band, and still no fundamental change occurs.

exactly. this is why i try to stick to my feelings about situations more than to my intellectual interpretation of them. nonetheless, there are times where the penetrating power of feeling and intuition is low and the mind seems to deliver much more suitable answers to the demands of your environment. but that's ok, too

[hierophant]

Originally Posted by hierophant

how could i believe this center would collapse by my own effort? how can the ego destroy the ego?

it never could, because there is noone to do that
lol in some revelational moments this is seen crystal-clear!

[hierophant]

No-Boundary Awareness

UNITY CONSCIOUSNESS is the simple awareness of the real territory of no-boundary. We need no gimmicks to explain it, no mumbo-jumbo, no mystical jargon, no miasma of occultism. If reality is actually a condition of no-boundary—and to deny that we will have to turn our backs on Relativity Theory, ecological sciences, the philosophy of organism, and the wisdom of the East—if reality is a condition of no-boundary, then unity consciousness is the natural state of awareness which acknowledges this reality. Unity consciousness, in short, is no-boundary awareness.

As simple as that sounds, it is nevertheless extremely difficult to adequately discuss no-boundary awareness or nondual consciousness. This is because our language—the medium in which all verbal discussion must float—is a language of boundaries. As we have seen, words and symbols and thoughts themselves are actually nothing but boundaries, for whenever you think or use a word or name, you are already creating boundaries. Even to say "reality is no-boundary awareness" is still to create a distinction between boundaries and no-boundary! So we have to keep in mind the great difficulty involved with dualistic language. That "reality is no-boundary" is true enough, provided we remember that no-boundary awareness is a direct, immediate, and nonverbal awareness, and not a mere philosophical theory. It is for these reasons that the mystic-sages stress that reality lies beyond names and forms, words and thoughts, divisions and boundaries. Beyond all boundaries lies the real world of Suchness, the Void, the Dharmakaya, Tao, Brahman, the Godhead. And in the world of suchness, there is neither good nor bad, saint nor sinner, birth nor death, for in the world of suchness there are no boundaries.

And especially there is no boundary between subject and object, self and not-self, seer and seen. I emphasize that point, and will dwell on it throughout this chapter, because of all the boundaries we construct, the one between self and not-self is the most fundamental. It is the boundary we are most reluctant to surrender. It was, after all, the first boundary we ever drew. It is our most cherished boundary. We have invested years to fortify it and defend it, make it secure and safe. It is the very boundary that establishes our sense of being a separate self. And as we grow old, full of years and memories, and begin to slip into the nothingness of death, this is the last boundary we relinquish. The boundary between self and not-self is the first one we draw and the last one we erase. Of all the boundaries we construct, this one is the primary boundary.

So fundamental is the primary boundary between self and not-self that all our other boundaries depend on it. We can hardly distinguish boundaries between things until we have distinguished ourselves from things. Every boundary you create depends upon your separate existence, that is, your primary boundary of self vs. not-self.

To be sure, any and all boundaries are obstacles to unity consciousness, but, since all of our other boundaries depend upon this primary boundary, to see through it is to see through all. In a sense this is most fortunate, for if we had to tackle all of our boundaries separately, one by one, it would take a lifetime, perhaps several, to dissolve them all and gain "liberation from the pairs." But by aiming at the primary boundary, our work is enormously simplified. It is as if our various boundaries constituted an inverted pyramid of blocks, all of which are resting on the one block at the tip. Pull out that one block and the whole edifice collapses.

We can look at this primary boundary from many angles, and under many names. It is that irreducible separation between what I call myself and what I call not-self, me in here and objects out there. It is the split between the knowing subject and the known object. It is that space between my organism and the environment. It is the gap between the "I" which is now reading and the page which is being read. All in all, it is the gap between the experiencer and the world which is experienced. It thus appears that on the "inside" of the primary boundary there exists my "self," the subject, the thinker and feeler and seer; and on the other side there exists the not-self, the world of objects out there, the environment, foreign and separate from me.

In unity consciousness, in no-boundary awareness, the sense of self expands to totally include everything once thought to be not-self. One’s sense of identity shifts to the entire universe, to all worlds, high or low, manifest or unmanifest, sacred or profane. And obviously this cannot occur as long as the primary boundary, which separates the self from the universe, is mistaken as real. But once the primary boundary is understood to be illusory, one’s sense of self envelops the All—there is then no longer anything outside of oneself, and so nowhere to draw any sort of boundary. Thus, if we can at all begin to see through the primary boundary, the sense of unity consciousness will not be far from us.

From the foregoing it’s too easy to jump to the erroneous conclusion that all we have to do to usher in unity consciousness is destroy the primary boundary. In a crude sense that is true, but the situation is actually much, much simpler than that. We really don’t have to go to the trouble of trying to destroy the primary boundary, and for an extremely simple reason: the primary boundary doesn’t exist.

Like all boundaries, it is only an illusion. It only seems to exist. We pretend it exists, we assume it exists, we behave in every way as if it exists. But it does not. And if we now go in search of the primary boundary, we will not find a trace of it, for ghosts leave no shadows. Right now, and I mean right while you’re reading this, there is no real primary boundary, and so right now, there is no real harrier to unity consciousness.

Thus, we will not search out the primary boundary and then try to destroy it. That, in fact, would be a grave error, or at least a colossal waste of time, for we cannot destroy what doesn’t exist in the first place. Trying to destroy the primary boundary is like standing in the midst of a mirage and batting one’s arms furiously in an attempt to dispel it—despite the intense excitement such activity may generate, it remains a totally futile affair. You cannot eradicate an illusion. You can only understand and see through the illusion itself. From this point of view, even trying to destroy the primary boundary through such elaborate activities as yoga, mental concentration, prayer, ritual, chanting, fasting—all of that merely assumes the primary boundary to be real and thereby enforces and perpetuates the very illusion it seeks to destroy. As Fenelon, Archbishop of Cambrai, put it, "There is no more dangerous illusion than the fancies by which people try to avoid illusion."

[alisa2]

Originally Posted by hierophant

No-Boundary Awareness


As Fenelon, Archbishop of Cambrai, put it, "There is no more dangerous illusion than the fancies by which people try to avoid illusion."

Ken Wilber should take Cambrai's advice.

[alisa2]

Unity is a state of mind, and state's of minds can fade away.

Interview in English with Stephen Jourdain Part 2 - YouTube

Interview in English with Stephen Jourdain Part 2 - YouTube

Start listening at 10:18:

"I woke up when I was 16... it never faded away. First of all, it can never fade away--it's not a state. It's I." [pure consciousness]


Samuel Johnson Dictionary of the English Language defines Unity as a state.

Unity. 1. The state of being one.

2. Concord; conjunction

3. Agreement; uniformity

[alisa2]

Good article on pure consciousness:

http://finalevent.info/index.php?opt...d=53&Itemid=62

[hierophant]

Originally Posted by alisa2

Ken Wilber should take Cambrai's advice.

big mind likes big theories i don't know much about his "personal" spiritual journey but i know that his books are top-heavy and fuel the dreamworld in our heads rather than sparking a sudden change in perception...

[lonestar]

some big mind shit from ken wilber. Thanks for posting Hierophant.

Originally Posted by hierophant

his books are top-heavy and fuel the dreamworld in our heads rather than sparking a sudden change in perception...

what do you mean by that?

like when he says:

" such elaborate activities as yoga, mental concentration, prayer, ritual, chanting, fasting—all of that merely assumes the primary boundary to be real and thereby enforces and perpetuates the very illusion it seeks to destroy."

isnt he just perpetuating the illusion by creating this boundary?

[lighthouse]

Originally Posted by hierophant

i could stay detached from these experiences for quite a while but then it often just became too much and many situations were literally barking at me for finding a solution

Nah, avoidance never did any good or endured long enough.
Unfortunately, I have seen many liberated and awaken.
Until the tide turned.

Originally Posted by hierophant

atm, i'm back on track of the middle way, arranging myself with the strengths and weaknesses of my personality. how could i believe this center would collapse by my own effort? how can the ego destroy the ego? it really doesn't make sense...

That obviously cannot be. You can not pull your own hand and
drag yourself out from the mud.
Some say, although I avoid this, sounds complicated,
that a man is a microcosm. And there is a tiny part of
pure awareness and concioussness "in him",
from which his distinct person and the whole world around him arises.
Letting that part overide everything else in your system
should do the job.

Originally Posted by hierophant

exactly. this is why i try to stick to my feelings about situations more than to my intellectual interpretation of them. nonetheless, there are times where the penetrating power of feeling and intuition is low and the mind seems to deliver much more suitable answers to the demands of your environment. but that's ok, too

On Ken Wilbur...
I could go with him till the last two paragraphs.
And I repeat my question, my doubt, call it as you like,
Opas23 couldn't or didn't want to answer to it.
Why is everything but the self considered real,
objects, environment, people around me, actions,
and the me as not real?

Maybe because it is hard to deal with the me...

I believe that seeing there is no me in the first place should
substitute the process of annihilation of the ego.
It should be a shortcut to freedom, so to speak.

And, I must confess, I personally find it liberating to imagine
there is no me. But that thought, like the thought I am real,
arises in awareness streaming through my mind.
It does not stream through my neighbours head.
That's why I call it imagining.
Frankly, both could be true. Self is here, self is not here.
The point is where the imagined concept gets you.

Because it's all an imagination.