Let's enter unity consciousness

[lighthouse]

Originally Posted by hierophant

if these people didn't give lectures or write essays they would go mad because they couldn't process all the stuff in their minds

That is a problem if you ask me.
Even with folks that seem to got it.
If you spend your days talking and writing about present moment,
one thing is sure, you are not living in it.
I don't know, I am too much into life happening then
into describing how it happens.
Like.. This just happened.. Oh, happens now again.
And then a Bible on the matter.
Wtf?
Well, we are all different.. I don't know.

Offtopic:
Deutschland? Sehr schön.

Originally Posted by lonestar

lol im glad that your no self can be entertained by your other no self.

I think I got an evil twin No self brother.

[lonestar]

lol

im watching the ben smyth interview right now and he said that he almost didnt do it. its funny becasue right around the same time period as him i felt like i needed to be quiet. and thats not like me at all! and like him it only lasted 4 or 5 days. a few people in my family even started asking what the heck was up with me.

not that they didnt mind the silence of my blabbermouth for a change..lol

Benjamin Smythe - Buddha at the Gas Pump Interview - YouTube

Benjamin Smythe - Buddha at the Gas Pump Interview - YouTube

anyway so far its a good interview.

[opas23]

Originally Posted by hierophant

for those who want to have the simplest pointers available (like from opas23, too!) hammered in their brains and maybe lose one or the other concept after they have digested it over night (happened here!)...

Hey hierophant,

When we talked on skype during the so called 'live experiments', there was no intellectual concepts to get our heads around or any guru and student relationship going on at all, was there?

In fact, any idea of that dropped away, and we just shared in something real and down to earth whilst we were having a laugh and chatting.

Any 'shift' or 'realisation' is an energetic occurrence that can happen at any time there is an openness and willingness to just be as you are.

If you remember, I shrugged my shoulders a lot and said, "I dunno" most of the time! lol

Again, this seems to be an important point, and not an intellectual one.

I don't 'know' anything anyone else doesn't, and that is the simple and honest truth which seems, in it's own way {not mine} to be some sort of catalyst for concepts to free fall, so we can laugh as children once again.

Thank you for your kind words m8 {I'll pay ya later} and let's talk again soon eh.

Namaste brother,

Opas23.

[lonestar]

damn! i just finished watching that Ben Smythe interview and i thought i was intense!

man if me and him wherever in a room together it would probably spontaneous combust! lol

[hierophant]

Originally Posted by lonestar

and btw you said you're living in germany right? but youre not german are you? cause you dont sound passive aggressive enough to me.. (joking) i spent some time in s. america and it seemed all the germans i met in bars always dragged me into fights. lol could just be me. my mom is from latvia but she grew up in brooklyn and my dads side is half irish half german so im all fucked up. lol

hehe, i'm "racially" fucked up, too (moroccan-italian-norwegian-german in the mix)

i rarely come into contact with aggressive people here, although there certainly are some thugs around. seems to be the case specifically in american bars

[hierophant]

Originally Posted by opas23

When we talked on skype during the so called 'live experiments', there was no intellectual concepts to get our heads around or any guru and student relationship going on at all, was there?

nope. it was like meeting an old friend

Originally Posted by opas23

In fact, any idea of that dropped away

yes, some ideas and concepts simply couldn't be remembered afterwards.

Originally Posted by opas23

Any 'shift' or 'realisation' is an energetic occurrence that can happen at any time there is an openness and willingness to just be as you are.

oh yes, this took place several times in the last months (even after only watching a tony parsons video, as i mentioned before). no shift was totally annihilating though. i think many people, including myself, have too great expectations when it comes to "enlightenment experiences". our last conversation made clear that there can also follow an "endarkenment". if and when the final stroke will come, nobody knows...

Originally Posted by opas23

If you remember, I shrugged my shoulders a lot and said, "I dunno" most of the time! lol

Again, this seems to be an important point, and not an intellectual one.

yeah, definitely!

Originally Posted by opas23

I don't 'know' anything anyone else doesn't, and that is the simple and honest truth which seems, in it's own way {not mine} to be some sort of catalyst for concepts to free fall, so we can laugh as children once again.

well, there appear to be some practical differences. and the things we were trying out in the experiments are certainly not so easy to describe with written words on a forum...


PEACE (& talk soon!)

[lonestar]

lol right yes theres very nice people here at DI.

i love reading posts from some posters when i feel that somehow they're disrespecting me but in a nice gentlemanly english way. i bust out laughing all the time.

when i was younger and even dumber. i remember being in a bar in costa rica (my plan is to retire there) and we were debating global politics with people from all over europe who were intellectually way superior to me. finally i just had to fall back and say:

"oh yea well im from big bad fucking USA and you bitches aint."

i made their point real well.....

[hierophant]

Originally Posted by lighthouse

That is a problem if you ask me.
Even with folks that seem to got it.
If you spend your days talking and writing about present moment,
one thing is sure, you are not living in it.

hehehe, yeah, this may be the case even for some of today's more popular satsang teachers. doesn't matter if there are no spiritual rules and noone to be punished in an afterlife for cheating other people

Originally Posted by lighthouse

Offtopic:
Deutschland? Sehr schön.

Aha, da kann wohl jemand Deutsch sprechen

[opas23]

Originally Posted by hierophant

well, there appear to be some practical differences. and the things we were trying out in the experiments are certainly not so easy to describe with written words on a forum...

Exactly!

It's so easy to disappear up our own arseholes trying to come up with more and more concepts to fix, or put right, something we think we need to do or not to do, in order to have an even more useless idea about what we think will get us somewhere else etc. etc. etc. on and on and on...

...it's like a self perpetuating circular mathematics equation on steroids.

Quite loopy, literally!

But isn't it interesting, when we actually have those thoughts and attempt to communicate them 'live', and someone notices a certain movement or change in the tone of voice whilst we are having those thoughts?

Wasn't it interesting to not hide behind that, and notice something that we have been doing for years and years to the point where we simply forgot that.

This is an obviousness we already are, but forget by over looking and concentrating on making our mind images and sounds into something more than they already are...illusion/maya/smoke/mist.

The concepts aren't real, as much as we push and pull and polish them up.

The movement and sound are.

Remember?

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by opas23

.

The concepts aren't real, as much as we push and pull and polish them up.

The movement and sound are.

you're no fun Opas....

[hierophant]

Originally Posted by opas23

Exactly!

It's so easy to disappear up our own arseholes trying to come up with more and more concepts to fix, or put right, something we think we need to do or not to do, in order to have an even more useless idea about what we think will get us somewhere else etc. etc. etc. on and on and on...

...it's like a self perpetuating circular mathematics equation on steroids.

Quite loopy, literally!

But isn't it interesting, when we actually have those thoughts and attempt to communicate them 'live', and someone notices a certain movement or change in the tone of voice whilst we are having those thoughts?

Wasn't it interesting to not hide behind that, and notice something that we have been doing for years and years to the point where we simply forgot that.

This is an obviousness we already are, but forget by over looking and concentrating on making our mind images and sounds into something more than they already are...illusion/maya/smoke/mist.

The concepts aren't real, as much as we push and pull and polish them up.

The movement and sound are.

Remember?

again and again, the big reminder: it's all about concepts in the head

in such conversations it can become obvious that we ARE already free, but... the (in)sight is clouded by our compulsive thinking. this is also the bottom line of all mystical schools.

i found out that when there is nothing to regret or to worry about or to plan in order to become "better", i'm already in sort of a natural state where my attention is 100% fixed on what i'm doing right now, and tasks are managed in no time then... amazing!

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by hierophant

again and again, the big reminder: it's all about concepts in the head

right. like us being born into roles.

thats a big concept in my head thats going to take some work to get rid of.

i once even thought Opas was my duality. lol

[hierophant]

Originally Posted by lonestar

thats going to take some work to get rid of.

why not start with the most tricky ones: the belief in cause and effect, meaning and purpose in your life. if you manage to lever out these concepts, your mind will soon give up...

[lonestar]

I Know Kung Fu - YouTube

I Know Kung Fu - YouTube

Neo: I know what you're trying to do.

[opas23]

Originally Posted by lonestar

right. like us being born into roles.

thats a big concept in my head thats going to take some work to get rid of.

i once even thought Opas was my duality. lol

Concepts aren't real and therefore will take no work at all, unless you use more concepts to try and get rid of them.

Just to be clear, concepts are fun and so is what they represent: real, felt, heard, seen, tasted life.

One is sensational and the other a movie.

And guess who the main heroic figure is in the centre of the mental movie?

Yes, an even bigger fiction...you!

To take this as an instruction to 'get rid of thoughts', would be to miss the point.

Thinking is just life, well, thinking.

Breathing is just life breathing.

Nowt wrong with any of that.

But, when we identify with only the voice in our head...well...that would be to really limit ourselves wouldn't it.

Why not be all of it.

And not appear to get stuck in the mud of thinking more thinking will get rid of thinking if you think in a different way in order to become {we think} something else.

I think not!

Opas23.

[opas23]

Originally Posted by hierophant

in such conversations it can become obvious that we ARE already free, but... the (in)sight is clouded by our compulsive thinking. this is also the bottom line of all mystical schools.

Yes it is the bottom line in mystical schools and only a problem if you think about it!

If you don't, it isn't.

If you do, it is.

Simple.

Either way, even that can just be left in it's place amongst the myriad of other appearances 'you' put into this whole manifestation.

After all, whom exactly could choose to do such a silly thing?

ROFLMAO!!!

Mint!

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by opas23

And not appear to get stuck in the mud of thinking more thinking will get rid of thinking if you think in a different way in order to become {we think} something else.

I think not!

Opas23.

lol

i love it!

just give me a few minutes to come up with a but.

[opas23]

Originally Posted by lonestar

lol

i love it!

just give me a few minutes to come up with a but.

LoL

Follow your gut, not your but!

[lonestar]

lol i love u man!

i was just thinking i dont even know why im debating whether there is cause and effect or whether there is no cause and no effect cause thats just dumb ass duality.

and were much more than that.

and yes i know Opas that its our thinking that wants us to believe that we are something more than we already are. in fact its our thinking thats caused most our problems on this earth.

but what if many more of us became aware of that?

oh the possibilities!

and i guess its always going to go back to whether you believe you are just a puppet of creation or the creator itself.

and i wonder if this debate happens all the time on DI? is this just a tired old debate thats been played out numerous times here?

the question whether we believe we're just puppets of creation or the creator itself?

[opas23]

Originally Posted by lonestar

and yes i know Opas that its our thinking that wants us to believe that we are something more than we already are.

Yes, and clearly, this is very useful for practical, everyday living.

Originally Posted by lonestar

in fact its our thinking thats caused most our problems on this earth.

I'd like to make a distinction here, if I may.

'Thinking' is a great tool, which has been used for many different things in life, both perceived good and bad.

Thinking that 'thinking' is a problem, is missing the subtle point being made here, and may then become a problem!

For the sake of clarity:~ if we identified more often with, say, a banana, rather than the random thoughts appearing and disappearing, would we be any lesser bananas than now?

ROFLMAO!

You guys kill me.

And that is an act of pure love.

Namaste,

Opas23.