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Old 07-10-2011, 12:15 AM   #1
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http://msn.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10757140

This is not a conspiracy (that I can see) its just plain old ecological disaster...

Seriously (any smart people out there) how do you get a 236m container ship off a reef? Don't even ask how they put it there, thats for later, (fuckin retards)...




Oil spill response teams and wildlife workers will today travel to the area where a stranded cargo ship is haemorrhaging oil into the sea off Tauranga, which has the potential to cause a major environmental disaster.

The 236m cargo vessel Rena struck Astrolabe Reef near Tauranga Harbour early on Wednesday, causing a 5km oil slick that has already killed some wildlife.
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They wont leave it there they will tow it off its worth too much and the cargo too...
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They wont leave it there they will tow it off its worth too much and the cargo too...
How do you tow it? seriously...
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Old 07-10-2011, 12:34 AM   #4
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They use tugs. Divers place air bags under the boat, they inflate the air bags (kidney bags) at high tide, drag it away with tug boats.
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They use tugs. Divers place air bags under the boat, they inflate the air bags (kidney bags) at high tide, drag it away with tug boats.
Ok, the theory sounds good... they will have to be some pretty big kidney bags.

What if that fails?
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Old 07-10-2011, 01:03 AM   #6
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The oil slick near the ship stuck on a reef near Tauranga is now 6km long.

Transport Minister Steven Joyce is gravely concerned about the ship, which is carrying 1,700 tonnes of heavy fuel oil, saying it's in a pretty precarious situation.

"I think we'd expect that at some point to have further problems and potentially even break up."
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I'd blow it up. Dont know if it'd help per se, but it'd be fun.


I'd say they'll unload it, patch it up and tow it if theyre gonna insist on being logical about it.
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Maritime New Zealand Incident Controller Rob Service said "the damage is quite extensive"

There are fears that a large container ship which is stuck on a reef off the coast of New Zealand could break up and leak more oil.
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They will suction of as much of the oil as possible, then as the ship gets lighter it will float off and be tugged to dry dock.

Simples!
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pull up an empty ship and transfer the entire load with a crane ship and pump ship.
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Oil set to arrive at top Bay of Plenty beach

Efforts to salvage a stricken container ship posing an environmental disaster off the Tauranga coastline continue as weather conditions are set to deteriorate today.
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How do you tow it? seriously...
You ferry the cargo off a bit at a time, to lighten the ship and hopefully float it off the reef or make it easier to tow by a shedload of tugs.
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Old 09-10-2011, 08:35 PM   #14
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Some years ago, the consequences of NOT doing things right over a reef happened in the Red Sea, when a cruise liner ripped a scar through the reef and (I think) estimates had it that the damage would take decades if not a hundred years to repair.

The way to do it has been covered pretty much by others; make it lighter (cargo/fuel removal), try to repair from the inside the damage. Stick very heavy duty air bags under the hull, inflate, and very very carefully (literally inches at a time) tow her off until she reaches deep water. Arrest the skipper and navigator, fine them both heavily as well as the owners.

I think it's reprehensible this has happened considering the navigation gear these things are fitted with.
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Salvage experts are on board the Rena and have specialist equipment to warn them if the ship is in danger of breaking up, it added.

"The top priority is to first remove the oil, then lighten the vessel by removing the containers, and finally, move the ship off the reef," the MNZ said.

Two barges have begun scooping up the oil that has spilled into the sea, but the MNZ said it expected to see more oil in the water in the coming days and washing up on nearby beaches around Wednesday or Thursday.

About 200 people are working on the response, and New Zealand's defence force has about 300 people on hand to clean beaches if necessary, reports AP news agency.

The owners of the ship, Greece-based Costamare Inc, have not given an explanation for the grounding, but said they were "cooperating fully with local authorities" to minimise any damage.
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Ahh well at least I know why my new Nikey Trainers, haven't arrived yet *sigh*
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http://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/5...aunganui-beach

LATEST: Oil from the stricken cargo ship Rena is washing ashore at Mt Maunganui, one of the country's most popular beaches.

The Rena has been stuck on the Astrolabe reef, off the coast of Tauranga, since becoming grounded there in the early hours of Wednesday morning last week.
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The Maritime Union said a source had revealed the Rena was inspected by Maritime New Zealand in Bluff on September 28.

It said the inspection revealed a host of deficiencies with the vessel's charts - in what it labeled a clue as to why it ran aground.

Union general secretary Joe Fleetwood called for a statement from Maritime New Zealand confirming whether it was aware of problems with the ship.

"If so, why was the Rena still sailing on the New Zealand coast?"

The Rena was detained for a day in Fremantle, Western Australia, by the Australian Maritime Safety Authority after "serious deficiencies" were found in August.

The authority's report found the vessel had "not been maintained between surveys", the "hatchway cover securing arrangements defective" and cargo was not stowed and secured as stipulated in the cargo securing manual.
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I'd say they'll unload it, patch it up and tow it if theyre gonna insist on being logical about it.
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The MV Rena, which was built in Germany in 1990 is currently registered to the Ofer Brothers Group, an Israeli company with ties to the Israeli military. The company's holdings include Zim, Israel Chemicals, Oil Refineries Ltd (BAZAN) in Haifa, Bank Mizrahi, Tower Semiconductor and more.

During the 1960s ZIM started to transport crude oil from Iran to Israel, and oil byproducts from Israel to Europe. The 1970s saw ZIM expanding into the container shipping business and in the 1990s ZIM had 15 more ships built in Germany. At this time, the ownership of ZIM was divided between the Israeli government and Hachevra Le-Israel.

In 1999, the Ofer Brothers Group became the controlling shareholder of ZIM and In 2004, the Ofer Group-controlled Israel Corporation acquired the Israeli Government’s remaining Zim shares, completing the privatization of the company.

The new official name after privatization became Zim Integrated Shipping Services. The purchase deal for about five hundred million New Israeli Shekels was severely criticized as being undervalued.

The MV Rena under its previous name the Andaman Sea

Zim-American Israeli Shipping Company have also been accused of helping in the theft of nuclear cores from Pantex nuclear facility near Amarillo, Texas. The cores were transported by refrigeration trucks to the port of Houston and then transferred to refrigeration containers, which were loaded onto ZIM ships. This report and many others claim ZIM has close links with Israels institute for intelligence and special Mossad operations. The plutonium cores were shipped to Israel and Dimona.

In May this year the Ofer Brothers Group was added to the U.S. State Department sanctions list and accused of being part of a deal to sell Iranians a tanker for $8.65 million. The sanctions barred Ofer Brothers Group from securing financing from the Export-Import Bank of the United States, from obtaining loans over $10 million from U.S. financial institutions and from receiving U.S. export licenses. However on 13 September the Israeli holding company was removed from the sanctions blacklist. Two other companies also owned by the Ofer conglomerate were substituted, one a corporate manager and the other a ship-owning company. Allvale Maritime Inc. (based in Liberia) and Société Anonyme Monégasque D’Administration Maritime Et Aérienne (SAMAMA) (based in Monaco).

A State Department official today admitted that it sanctioned the wrong entity in its May 24th announcement, stating:

"In issuing this clarification, our intent was to sanction the specific entities in the Sammy Ofer shipping organization that were responsible for providing a tanker to Iran. The use of the name ‘Ofer Brothers Group,’ a commonly used trade name, caused confusion for some banks and companies that were trying to comply with U.S. sanctions. The complex nature of the conglomerate's business structure necessitated that we take the time to look closely at these companies in order to ensure that we were identifying the precise legal names of the entities directly responsible for the sanctionable transaction.
In June it was reported that Ofer Brothers Ships were found to be carrying IDF choppers for secret missions that may have included surveillance in Iran’s nuclear sites. The ships that allegedly docked in Iranian ports may have concealed helicopters in special shipping containers.



In August this year, Australia detained the MV Rena because of cracked and rusted parts. The Australian Maritime Safety Authority after “serious deficiencies” were found detained the vessel for a day in Fremantle, Western Australia. The authority's report found the vessel had "not been maintained between surveys", the "hatchway cover securing arrangements are defective" and cargo was not stowed and secured as stipulated in the cargo-securing manual.

Despite the Rena being beached in New Zealand’s territorial waters, authorities were not allowed to board the vessel to breath test the crew to ensure drunkenness was not a reason for the accident.

The hazardous substance that authorities have confirmed is being transported by the Rena is Ferrosilicon, which is used by the military to quickly produce hydrogen. The chemical reaction uses sodium hydroxide, ferrosilicon, and water. The materials are stable and not combustible, and they do not generate large amounts of hydrogen until mixed. Ferrosilicon will slowly release hydrogen when in contact with water.

There are numerous other questionable activities of the Ofer Brothers Group and their subsidiaries. The few that I have listed should raise serious concerns about the safety and cargo of Rena.

Rena's Former name(s)

Andaman Sea (Until 2010 Nov 24) Flag: Malta - Call sign: 9HAB8
Zim America (Until 2007 Mar 12)
Andaman Sea (Until 2007 Jan 29) - Operator: ZIM

Name: Rena
IMO Number: 8806802
MMSI: 636014911
Callsign: A8XJ7
Current flag: Liberia
Home port: Monrovia


Class society: American Bureau Of Shipping
Builder: Howaldtswerke Deutsche Werft Kiel, Germany
Current owner: Ofer Brothers Group Herzliyya, Israel
Owner under name Andaman Sea: ZIM Integrated Shipping
Manager: Ciel Ship management Athens, Greece
Chartered to: Costamare Inc.

Voyage Related Info (Last Received)

Draught: 9.6 m
Destination: TAURANGA
ETA: 2011-10-05 13:00


Speed recorded (Max / Average): 17.7 / 17 knots
Speed marching: 21 kn
Main engine: 8RTA76
1240 KW, 8 cylidners, Cegielski Poznan - Poland

Build year: 1990
Vessell type: Container Ship
Hull: Double, Dry Cargo

Maximum TEU capacity: 3351
Gross tonnage: 37,209 tons
Summer Dead Weight: 47,230 tons
Handling equipment: (swl 6,1 Tons)
LOA (Length Overall): 235
Beam: 32
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