21-09-2011, 12:17 AM
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A Challenge: Planers vs No Planers
1. Real planes were used in the 9-11 deception. 2. Real planes were not used in the 9-11 deception. Here is a challenge for both sides: List up to ten of the best reasons/evidence that support your position and post it. Make it clear. No rambling. Summarize your reasons as concisely and logically as possible. Also, no name calling in this thread, please. Just debate the evidence and take the negative emotion out of it. Let us all look at the reasons/evidence you post and debate it honestly among ourselves using logic and reason. I am undecided on this, as I am sure a lot of people are, but with all the name calling and all the long, rambling posts its hard for a lot of us to know. So, who is up for this challenge? Or do you all want to just keep calling each other retards?
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21-09-2011, 01:10 AM
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Pro - plane
Videos of planes hitting Eyewitnesses of planes Plane shaped holes in the towers Audio of planes hitting Debris falling from the plane shaped holes in the towers Videos of people being frightened when they heard and saw the 2nd plane coming (thats all for now) ------- My own questions for no planers - Have holograms that exist outside in fresh air and are totally realistic -been demonstrated anywhere in the world or even proven to exist?
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21-09-2011, 01:13 AM
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Pointless exercise .. you won't get logic and reason from the No Plane brigade ..
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21-09-2011, 01:13 AM
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No planes hit the WTC. It was all digital manipulation on TV, video and photos.
- First, here are 3 videos that prove no planes hit the WTC: 1. Where did this FRAUD come from ?- There is absolutely no evidence of a SINGLE plane part in this photo by anthonyc31, on Flickr - jet fuel cannot melt the steel to form those cuts in the above photo - if the heat was "so hot" as to actually melt the steel, why is the lady standing there? - the various videos of "planes" do not actually correspond with each other - Frame-by-frame analysis - Part 1 of 3 - calculations show that a plane "should" be in this video frame, but it is clearly not and this video eventually shows a "plane" hitting WTC 2. It is impossible. by anthonyc31, on Flickr - Part 2 of 3 - more calculations for the above video proving that no plane existed by anthonyc31, on Flickr - Part 3 of 3 - more frame-by-frame analysis proving that no "plane" hit WTC 2 by anthonyc31, on Flickr - Video angles: - Part 1 of 3 - analysis of 3 different videos showing a "plane" hitting WTC 2 at different floors by anthonyc31, on Flickr - Part 2 of 3 - more support for above by anthonyc31, on Flickr - Part 3 of 3 - more support for above by anthonyc31, on Flickr Last edited by anthonyc31; 21-09-2011 at 01:23 AM. |
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21-09-2011, 01:17 AM
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i read some of your other posts ... we already know what your job is here. |
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21-09-2011, 01:22 AM
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 BTW I posted a video which shows the exhaust vortex in the fireball at WTC2 so your video 2 is a fail
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21-09-2011, 01:27 AM
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21-09-2011, 01:31 AM
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21-09-2011, 01:38 AM
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 I just can't find it right now .. it's old age getting to me.Found it Oh and thank you for the compliments arsehole ..:-))
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21-09-2011, 02:03 AM
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And didn't I say no name calling? Just stop calling each other fucktards and focus only on the evidence. Please.
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21-09-2011, 02:26 AM
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Now answer my question - Is there any evidence for the existence of any hologram that works outside -in fresh air - and looks totally realistic - ANYWHERE in the world or is the hologram theory based in imagination only?
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I sincerely apologize to all good arseholes for this.
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21-09-2011, 02:40 AM
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1. It is true we do have videos of planes hitting the buildings, but some or all of those videos could have been faked. 2. It is true that we do have apparent eye witnesses of planes. Some could be planted shills (like the Harley guy), but its very doubtful that all the apparent witnesses would be shills. If there would have been no planes, at least one eye witness would have come forward very forcefully by now to say that they saw an explosion but no plane. There may be witnesses like that, but I have not heard of them. 3. It is true that there are plane shaped holes in the towers. It is hard to dispute this. Some of said that shape charges were used to blow out the holes in the approximate shape of the planes, but I don't find this has a lot of credibility. It does not sound correct to me. It sounds like someone was reaching to come up with this explanation. 4. I have heard audio of planes hitting, but like the video evidence this could be faked/fabricated. In fact, everything you see on the news could be fabricated. I would trust news footage less than eye witness testimony. 5. I have not seen or heard of debris falling from the plane shaped holes in the towers. Do you have a video link for this? From the footage I have seen, the planes appear to punch right through the outer shell of the building and no debris falls down. 6. Do you have a link of a video that shows people acting frightened when they saw the second plane coming? I would like to examine it. Finally, let me venture an answer to your last question. No, to my knowledge, our current technology does not allow for holograms that are so realistic that they cannot be distinguished from reality. In the ten years since 9-11, I cannot think of a single example of a realistic hologram being used that actually fooled people. See the tone I took in answering this? I just gave my opinion of each one and focused on the evidence presented. Can others do the same?
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21-09-2011, 03:10 AM
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Video 1 appears to be compelling evidence of a non-existant plane added to video footage. Question of planers: Do you believe this video to be authentic (in other words, unaltered video of a plane flying into the second tower)? If so, how do you explain that the plane is not visible until the camera zooms in on the towers? Video 2 is unconvincing. It makes the assumption we would have seen one or more swirling vortexes in the flames shooting out the other side of the building. There could have been planes and no vortexes. Remember, these flames we are seeing is (supposedly) of the jet fuel exploding out the other side of the building. No vortexes would apply to it because there was no jet exhaust to swirl them. Video 3 is the most compelling evidence of a fake plane. How do planers explain the nose of this plane going in and one side of the building and coming out the other side of the building perfectly intact, in the same shape it was in originally? If a real plane had gone through the building, the nose would have been completely destroyed and would not have kept its same shape. However, a fake plane, whose nose was not actually damaged by going through a physical structure would behave just like this. Planers, please explain how this could be, if you believe this video footage to be of a real plane.
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21-09-2011, 03:25 AM
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2. Assuming there was an actual plane, did pieces of it fall to the ground, or did the entire plane punch through the exterior of the building and go into the interior of the building? From all the videos I have seen, the latter is true. The entire plane appears to go inside of the building and no debris falls down. I am talking about where the plane entered, not where the fireball exited. 3. I have an explanation for the straight line damage and the lady standing there. I believe the outside of the building was segmented. In other words, it was built out of rectangular segments that were connected together. If a real plane punched through, it would make sense that it would take out the entire rectangular segment and push it inside of the building with the force of the entry. In that case we would expect to see straight lines like this, which is the boundary of one segment. We see the straight lines of the bottom segment where it joined to the missing top rectangular segment. Also, you assume that heat destroyed the segment. What it was not heat but just the force of the plane causing the entire rectangular segment to come loose and to be forced inside the building? In that case the columns would not be melted and the woman could stand in the hole.
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21-09-2011, 03:32 AM
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 why all the need for the constant spamming of the same old tired material you claim is hard clear cut evidence of no planes, i've lost count of all the threads that are no planer themed and all with almost the exact same tired "content". i do love how the spam always has lots of red marker on it though, thats a really nice touch that is, cos we all know that makes it so much more convincing and truthful. *(Itchy urine soaked undercrackers)*
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 too tired). I used to have a lot of em saved in my old account before it was banned. The debris was building debris from what I remember. And before I forget - theres a vid debunking that nose of the plane vid. I may find it and write a synopsis.
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21-09-2011, 05:48 AM
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@ anthonyc31,
Someone has fudged the comparison of the three camera angles. What did you do to correct for the differing aspect ratios of the vids. All three must have the same aspect ratio or the width to height calculation will result in differing values for height from the top down to the impact site if you are using the width of the tower as the non variable standard. Also the width of the tower must be observed from the same horizontal angle in all three screen captures for it to be a valued observation. No lies now.
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Clearly debris has fallen while smoke has risen. The wind has carried the debris dust to the left. The Naudet footage shows the debris shower and the movement of dust. Possible vortex phenomena there too. 
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