bosnian pyramid

[pablito]

We have found some interesting peaks of ultrasounds also in a recognized Neolithic site in South England (Rollright Stones) like in Bosnian pyramids.

The aspect is very similar. The thesis is those ancient civilizations knew these “natural” phenomena and its effects on human body during preying or meditation and placed over sacred structures.

Soon our preliminary results.

[pablito]

Originally Posted by pablito

We have found some interesting peaks of ultrasounds also in a recognized Neolithic site in South England (Rollright Stones) like in Bosnian pyramids.

The aspect is very similar. The thesis is those ancient civilizations knew these “natural” phenomena and its effects on human body during preying or meditation and placed over sacred structures.

Soon our preliminary results.

http://www.sbresearchgroup.eu/index....research-group

[pablito]

Same research also in Italy. Same protocol like Bosnian pyramids.

http://www.sbresearchgroup.eu/index....ata-in-tuscany

[veritus]

Originally Posted by pablito

Same research also in Italy. Same protocol like Bosnian pyramids.

http://www.sbresearchgroup.eu/index....ata-in-tuscany

Need any help with that "Pablito"?

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BOSNIAN PYRAMIDS - New Screeinings Berlin & Leipzig

Documentary "THE Pyramid - Finding the Truth" - "Piramida Istine" - "DIe Pyramide der Wahrheit"

English: http://www.bosnianpyramid.biz/

BiH: http://www.bosanske-piramide.com/

New Screeinings in BERLIN:

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12. September 2012, 18:00
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[pablito]

This video in English language explains how we worked in Bosnia with archaeo-acoustic (as other ancient sites we examined).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNY1mzcNAaI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNY1mzcNAaI

Phar_out said we are as charlatans and a beam from the top of the hill doesn’t exist and considers like “magic” our evidences.

He would have to watch where are real charlatans in his country.

[phar_out]

Originally Posted by pablito

Phar_out said we are as charlatans and a beam from the top of the hill doesn’t exist and considers like “magic” our evidences.

He would have to watch where are real charlatans in his country.

After the Foundation's dabblings in 'energy beams' with 'Dr.' Harry Oldfield, and the repeated use of your university's name (along with those of other universities from which your collaborators come) to falsely imply validation and support of your work by credible institutions, it is going to take a hell of a lot more than this video to ever convince me the work that you undertake has a scientific basis, and can be independently replicated by a group with no interest whatsoever in 'fringe' (to put it kindly) science or pseudo-archaeology.

[pablito]

Originally Posted by phar_out

After the Foundation's dabblings in 'energy beams' with 'Dr.' Harry Oldfield, and the repeated use of your university's name (along with those of other universities from which your collaborators come) to falsely imply validation and support of your work by credible institutions, it is going to take a hell of a lot more than this video to ever convince me the work that you undertake has a scientific basis, and can be independently replicated by a group with no interest whatsoever in 'fringe' (to put it kindly) science or pseudo-archaeology.

So for you the study of archaeo-acoustic is pseudo archaeology and I’m not supported by my University (because for you the logo of my Department and of my University on our web site are false).

I think I don’t want to waste my time to reply to you.

[pablito]

New ultrasonic unexplained sounds in Ravne tunnels

http://www.sbresearchgroup.eu/index....-ravne-tunnels

[abacus]

Originally Posted by phar_out

It's 'magic sounds'. I simply don't believe that Pablito's experiments will ever attain scientific justification or acceptance. He's using a pseudo-archaeological site to test pseudo-science. I don't understand why (if his methodology is non-invasive/destructive) he cannot seek permission to carry out his experiments on a range of well-documented monuments and sites, from different time periods, to show his results are repeatable.

As I don't believe that his work has any mainstream validity, I would never believe that any work that uses/adapts its results to have any validity, either.

Originally Posted by phar_out

After the Foundation's dabblings in 'energy beams' with 'Dr.' Harry Oldfield ...
it is going to take a hell of a lot more than this video to ever convince me the work that you undertake has a scientific basis, and can be independently replicated by a group with no interest whatsoever in 'fringe' (to put it kindly) science or pseudo-archaeology.

Certainly, I think that the use of such terms as "energy beams" might make many people feel distinctly uneasy, although I'm not sure that it's altogether fair to call ultrasound a "magic" phenomenon.

Experiments in the past appear to have shown that, with the use of technology, ultrasound is detectable , sometimes intermittently, in various different geographical/geological locations, including megalithic sites - although, as I understand it, the reason for its presence, and the answer to such questions as whether (young?) human beings could sense it without the use of sophisticated technological apparatus, and, if so, whether this could have played any part in siting ritual monuments, remains unknown.

I thought that it was interesting that, at about point 06:00 in the YouTube, it was stated that there were no birds present at the location where the ultrasound experiment was being carried out. It was immediately suggested that the reason for this was that they were somehow disturbed by the alleged presence of the ultrasound.

As it happens, the 1970s Dragon Project had its origins in the realisation by a zoologist investigating bat echo-location that ultrasound was detectable at the Rollright Stones (Robins, 1985, 36), although there is no subsequent comment on, or investigation of, possible mammal and bird behaviour at the Rollrights or other sites.

However, before concluding that creatures such as birds might be absent from a particular location because of the possible presence of ultrasound, other scientific/biological reasons should surely be investigated. The soil and vegetation in the area, for instance, might be of a sort that discourages the presence of insects and other food that might attract birds.

On the question of methodology, you mention that any scientific investigations should surely include "a range of well-documented monuments and sites, from different time periods", and of course you're right. It should be pointed out, however, that the SBRG have carried out experiments at such sites as the Rollright Stones (the starting off point for the original 1970s Dragon Project) and Waylands Smithy, and state that they intend to investigate other European sites as well.

[phar_out]

Originally Posted by pablito

So for you the study of archaeo-acoustic is pseudo archaeology and I’m not supported by my University (because for you the logo of my Department and of my University on our web site are false).

I think I don’t want to waste my time to reply to you.

No, what I said was:

1. I consider what you do to be fringe science, at best. However, you have joined forces with a pseudo-archaeological project, meaning that I would never take your results seriously unless they were independently replicated by someone with what would be seen universally as an unbiased approach.

2. Your project is not one officially established or financially backed by your university. There is no mention of it anywhere whatsoever on the university's site, and you misrepresent your university (although I believe within the boundaries of legality) on the SBRG website, using tentative language to imply that the work you do is a 'university project', rather than 'a hobby/personal project of people employed by a university'.

[abacus]

Originally Posted by pablito

So for you the study of archaeo-acoustic is pseudo archaeology and I’m not supported by my University (because for you the logo of my Department and of my University on our web site are false).

It would perhaps help if a few points could be sorted out here.

First, it seems to me that investigations into ultrasound (and other comparable phenomena) are becoming confused with the somewhat different field of archaeo-acoustics. Ultrasound describes phenomena that cannot be perceived by normal human hearing. Archaeo-acoustics, OTOH, is, as I understand it, the study of the theory that certain ancient sites were designed with acoustical properties in mind - that is, sounds that can be perceived by normal human hearing. (Archaeo-acoustics, however, is in itself a controversial field, in that the presence of archaeoacoustical properties within an ancient construction need not necessarily mean that its builders knew about such properties beforehand).

Second, I don't think that Phar-out is saying that the logos of your University are "false". Instead, the point being made is that the use of them on the SBRG site conveys a false impression, something that I pointed out some while back. The SBRG, as I understand it, is "an informal co-operation between individuals rather than an officially sanctioned project".

[pablito]

Thank you Abacus for your constructive input, you are kind person.

I wish I could say the same for Phar_Out. Just because one has a degree in Archaeology, it doesn't necessarily mean one know all about the subject. To help gain a better understanding of how archaeo-acoustics is used to analyse ancient sites, here follows a short bibliography about the “resonance” phenomenon (as I found in Ravne tunnels).

(1) J. Mortenson: “The Fall and Rise of Resonance Science”; Proceedings of Materials Science & Technology, pp. 2864 – 2875, 2010
(2) Jahn R.G., et al.: "Acoustical Resonances of Assorted Ancient Structures," Technical Report PEAR no.95002, Princeton University, March 1995.
(3) Jahn R.G., Devereux P., Ibison M.: "Acoustical Resonances of Assorted Ancient Structures," J. Acoust. Soc. Am. Vol.99 no.2, February 1996; 649-658
(4) Devereux Paul, et al; "Acoustical Properties of Ancient Ceremonial Sites," Journal of Scientific Exploration, 9:438, 1995
(5) William R. Corliss. Glen Arm: “Ancient Structure. Remarkable Pyramids, Forts, Towers, Stone Chambers, Cities, Complexes. A Catalog of Archeological Anomalies” ,The Sourcebook Project, 2001, Hardback, Maryland

About ultrasounds Abacus is right, I took in my hand previous research by English Dragon Project for verifying results and by our new technologic instruments. Now I can say I agree with its results in South England.

So, please, don’t speak about pseudo-science, if you don’t upload yourself it’s your problem. It’s not sufficient to have a degree to be a good scientist, however it’s sufficient to have a degree to be a good civil servant. So you ask: “where is the official character of your research?” and call “hobby” my researches on archaeo-acustic.

University of Trieste is well informed about my research in Bosnia. It is not possible to have the logo of University on our research without authorization and before this authorization they examined very well our project of research. And my University is well informed about my research.

See this link for example and search Debertolis and his research activity, after read what is written at the bottom (but the site is not uploaded for my scientific publications)
http://www.odonto.units.it/Ricerca/Team.aspx

In Italy professors have the possibility to do whatever research they want.
In your country, as ex-communist country, it’s impossible to do something without founds by government.

But I think you really love bureaucracy and you need official papers. So next day I will publish here a commendation received in 2011 by director of my Department for my researches in Bosnia. I have just telephoned to the secretary of my Department for receiving it as fast as possible, just for you.

All my research in archaeo-acoustics explains very well the materials and methods used for repeatability as a scientific method.

Finally I finished my research in archaeo-acoustic in Bosnia and in the next months we will publish all materials. We will continue in England an Italy for now.

I leave your country after two years of research with a sigh of relief, because I understood you and other Bosnian archaeologist hate so much Foundation and Osmanagić for not understanding also when something is real. Not pyramids, but the beam on the top of Visoćica hill, electro-magnetic phenomena and resonace phenomenon in Ravne tunnels.

[phar_out]

Originally Posted by pablito

I wish I could say the same for Phar_Out. Just because one has a degree in Archaeology, it doesn't necessarily mean one know all about the subject. To help gain a better understanding of how archaeo-acoustics is used to analyse ancient sites, here follows a short bibliography about the “resonance” phenomenon (as I found in Ravne tunnels).

I will have a look at those books. As none of the research in them will have been tainted by Osmanagic's influence, I'll be far more trusting of the grounding for setting a hypothesis and going about testing it. Thanks for that; as there are reputable publishers in there, then the works will have probably gone through a rigorous peer-review.

Originally Posted by pablito

So, please, don’t speak about pseudo-science, if you don’t upload yourself it’s your problem. It’s not sufficient to have a degree to be a good scientist, however it’s sufficient to have a degree to be a good civil servant. So you ask: “where is the official character of your research?” and call “hobby” my researches on archaeo-acustic.

University of Trieste is well informed about my research in Bosnia. It is not possible to have the logo of University on our research without authorization and before this authorization they examined very well our project of research. And my University is well informed about my research.

See this link for example and search Debertolis and his research activity, after read what is written at the bottom (but the site is not uploaded for my scientific publications)
http://www.odonto.units.it/Ricerca/Team.aspx

In Italy professors have the possibility to do whatever research they want.
In your country, as ex-communist country, it’s impossible to do something without founds by government.

But I think you really love bureaucracy and you need official papers. So next day I will publish here a commendation received in 2011 by director of my Department for my researches in Bosnia. I have just telephoned to the secretary of my Department for receiving it as fast as possible, just for you.

All my research in archaeo-acoustics explains very well the materials and methods used for repeatability as a scientific method.

Finally I finished my research in archaeo-acoustic in Bosnia and in the next months we will publish all materials. We will continue in England an Italy for now.

I leave your country after two years of research with a sigh of relief, because I understood you and other Bosnian archaeologist hate so much Foundation and Osmanagić for not understanding also when something is real. Not pyramids, but the beam on the top of Visoćica hill, electro-magnetic phenomena and resonace phenomenon in Ravne tunnels.

First, I am not Bosnian. I'm not from anywhere in Former Yugoslavia either. Nor from any other country which has ever been communist.

Second, I don't 'love bureaucracy', but yes, official papers are important, especially working with or upon a heritage site which is listed as a National Monument.

The link to your profile surprises me a lot. I am pretty sure that if anyone in any public university in Northern Europe wrote that they were working with the civilization that built the 'Bosnian Pyramids', they would be quite severely reprimanded.

With your final paragraph, I'm not sure exactly what you're trying to say.

However, yes, people (not just archaeologists) hate Osmanagic as he is a dangerous person, who entertains both crazy and dangerous ideas, and controls a Public Foundation which does not reveal its operations, neither fiscal nor academic. He has also been responsible for the redirection of funds which were intended for rescue excavations and urgent conservation works for over half a decade for the purpose of his own Freudian ego-trip.

If you are claiming that Bosnian archaeologists have been trying to hinder your work, then can I ask the following:

1. When did you start your research in Bosnia?
2. Did you ever enter into communication with either the Assistant Minister for Cultural-Historic Heritage and Culture of FBiH or the Director of the Institute for Protection of Monuments of FBiH, to ask for permission to carry out work upon a Protected National Monument lying upon the territory of the Federation?
3. What did they say?
4. If they gave a positive decision, was this supported by the Commission to Preserve National Monuments?

If you did not acquire the correct paperwork from the institutions above, then any work you did was illegal, and I have no sympathy for you. However, if you received permission and were still hindered by the archaeological community, then may I ask you to elaborate on how, exactly?

[pablito]

Phar_out, you continue to mix up Foundation and Osmanagić with our group of research.

First, we are a totally independent group from Foundation, which has only a written agreement with us.

Second it is impossible to research in Visoko Valley without Foundation. Our attempts to contact Bosnian institutions for independent researches had not success, beginning with director of National Museum of Sarajevo, Adnan Busuladžić.

With him we have initially an agreement for other archaeological sites in Bosnia, but he broke every contact with us for our intention to investigate also on beam coming out Pyramid of the Sun / Visoćica hill.

As you, he thinks that everyone who investigates on Bosnian pyramids is a personal enemy, also if his work is carried on seriously for understanding what is real and what is not real.

Third. We never were be able to dig by ourselves. We did nothing without authorization. Only Foundation has this authorization in Visoko Valley by Bosnian Government. So for researching in the last two years, Foundation gave us support and really was the only one, but Foundation also asked their logo on all our photographs and researches on pyramids.

We had also a official agreement between Director of Museum of Visoko and my Department and made together a paper for an International congress in Italy in 2011, but after we were all stopped by the Commission to Preserve National Monuments, which didn’t give authorization to continue collaboration. So we left.

It is impossible to work in Bosnia without political support, but we always respect all rules too.

So, please Phar_out, try to control your behaviour with me and don’t use with me your bureaucratic expedients for passing me off as a scoundrel. This is intolerable.

[pablito]

Originally Posted by abacus

Certainly, I think that the use of such terms as "energy beams" might make many people feel distinctly uneasy, although I'm not sure that it's altogether fair to call ultrasound a "magic" phenomenon.

Yes you are right, but the beam from Visoćica hill is a composite beam (ultrasounds and radio waves), so sometimes is easier to speak as energy beam without repeating every time characteristics of it.

But I think you are right, I have to specify this every time for avoid misunderstandings.

[pablito]

These are the slides of report by SBRG at Conference on "Hidden History" in Visoko, Saturday, 8 September, 2012.

The title of report is "Bosnian Pyramids - Measured Energy Phenomena" by Paolo Debertolis and Slobodan Mizdrak.

For now the link of video is not working, because we are still editing it.

http://www.sbresearchgroup.eu/index....ergy-phenomena

[pablito]

This is another old video about all our research by SBRG, made in 2011:

SBRG - Research compilation video - June & July 2011 - YouTube

SBRG - Research compilation video - June & July 2011 - YouTube

We work very seriously on Bosnian pyramids. There is no "magic" science here.

[pablito]

No "magic" science also in this article on resonance phenomenon in Ravne tunnels.

http://www.sbresearchgroup.eu/index....minary-results

[pablito]

This is the video about the first part of research on beam of ultrasounds from the top of Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun / Visoćica hill.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZugAVIcLpY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZugAVIcLpY

This is the article speaking about materials and methods about compounder used as first equipment. This for repeatability of experiment as scientific method.

http://www.sbresearchgroup.eu/index....-visocica-hill

And I also reload the third part of documentary because previously there were some problems in sound track. So the previous link I posted it's no working now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezcddssP3KE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezcddssP3KE

The second part of this short documentary is at work.