Tripoli: Media blackout, why?

[resistance]

Originally Posted by freedom1st

Hi lizzy,
Good vid. So sad for the Lybian people. And so gobsmacking that 'they' can just play us another movie and the masses fall for it - audacious in the extreme!

I was trying to find another vid from today's 'Double Standards' program on Press TV (not uploaded yet) which showed the amount of security needed for a western leader (including all sorts of high tech powerful weaponry on the vehicles and clearing of streets) and then showed a vid of how Gaddafi went round in Lybia: no security whatsoever and people everywhere. Tells you all you need to know.
I'll try and put it up later.

That would be good mate Gaddiffi has the full support of every tribe in libya. Yet the scum bags in our so called media call what's going on in Libya a popular uprising. Your points are a perfect example of the double standards and lies people accept..and they call that democracy. Anybody without the common sense to question this is already too far gone IMO.

[lizzy]

Originally Posted by tinyint

Where is your evidence Libyans suffered so badly under Ghadaffi? Where?

Why was Libya elected in UN HR commission in 2003?

RAREST TRUTH ABOUT LIBYA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LII4opY7mbg



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQC_cfHG4eU

hi tinyint.....hope you enjoyed your tea.....breakfast here.
The first vid was v good. This second one had it half right...NATO is a hypocrite (and worse) but he seems to think Gadaffi owed foreign debt (as most countries do)..is that true I wonder ,I thought Libya financed all it's own projects, owing the western banksters' nothing......I could be wrong there......

but I just viewed this...old one but as we know gold denier was a real threat to FED....

ROTHSCHILDS FINISH OFF GADDAFI - YouTube

ROTHSCHILDS FINISH OFF GADDAFI - YouTube

the last min is a good list of the entitlements Libyans enjoyed.

PERHAPS ragnarok CAN AT LEAST SPEND ONE MIN TO VIEW THAT LIST.
(but I doubt it) LOL.

[the nine]

Originally Posted by ragnarok

@ resistance - Even if we only have a pretence of democracy, isn't that better than any other system currently doing the rounds?

At least it leaves room for intelligent and imaginative people to find ways of exploiting these pretend freedoms we have, to weaken the hold of those manipulating us.

if you have a criminal record in this country, you cannot be an mp.

in libya, the leader of the tribe is the equivalent mp..who has a voice


learning lessons is a part of achieving maturity and being able to grow as a person..
but in the uk, it is a tarnish held against you all your life, holding you back.
how is this democracy?

[the nine]

Originally Posted by lizzy

yes it is.....
Democracy should mean rule by popular voice of the people, of the natural rights of human beings which in countries all over the world are now being trampled upon by a handful of men and women who have hijacked the power of the people to perpetuate their supremacy. Instead of it being an ideal towards which one strives it has become a label to use as a pretext to bomb other countries to accept it.

and it tinyints' vid we see this in action.....17mins 20secs in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHMYl...layer_embedded

good post lizzy

[lizzy]

Originally Posted by resistance

That would be good mate Gaddiffi has the full support of every tribe in libya. Yet the scum bags in our so called media call what's going on in Libya a popular uprising. Your points are a perfect example of the double standards and lies people accept..and they call that democracy. Anybody without the common sense to question this is already too far gone IMO.

yup, this is far from over.....I think we're going to hear alot more garbage from lamestream.....these tribes must know that to capitulate would be economic and social suicide.....ie. poverty , porn and pushers'.

[the nine]

Originally Posted by ragnarok

Convinced about what? That Gaddafi has had a good run, and now his time his up? Only a fool would argue against that.

but if all the tribes agree that he should be their leader, why should he be forced out?
why are all the tribes leaders fools in your eyes man?

[lizzy]

Originally Posted by the nine

good post lizzy

thanks the nine ,

[the nine]

Originally Posted by ragnarok

IANAPoliticalAnalyst, but my guess is however a state/nation/whatever runs its own affairs is of little concern to most western governments, but when those political entities step beyond their borders with their affairs, they are fair game.

how so?
false flag terrorism is a well established precursor to war..
because someone is blamed for something, doesnt make them guilty of it.

[ragnarok]

Originally Posted by the nine

but if all the tribes agree that he should be their leader, why should he be forced out?
why are all the tribes leaders fools in your eyes man?

Erm... because they supported a man they had no control over, maybe? You obviously know some Libyan tribes are more privileged than others, so do you think that a fair basis for running a country?

[ragnarok]

Originally Posted by the nine

how so?
false flag terrorism is a well established precursor to war..
because someone is blamed for something, doesnt make them guilty of it.

T'is true indeed, but let's not try and absolve all the west's enemies, whether we've earned them or not.

[resistance]

Originally Posted by ragnarok

T'is true indeed, but let's not try and absolve all the west's enemies, whether we've earned them or not.

We..who is we? I don't class myself among this collective mental illness they call 'we'.

[kaibraine]

Originally Posted by kaibraine

I personally believe that they will use the bodies (mass graves) that were killed by the rebels to blame Kaddafi of genocide. And say "look, see he was a maniac after all".

I believe I have stated this a few times on here already since the rebel/NATO invasion on tripoli began. And things certainly seem to be playing out like that in the MSM...

50k "prisoners" missing huh? Does this mean 50k bodies to be found?

My speculation is that now the BIG lie is starting to be spun.

Libya: Up to 50,000 people imprisoned by Gaddafi regime are missing, rebels claim

Up to 50,000 people imprisoned by the Gaddafi regime are missing, it has emerged, as evidence mounts of war crimes committed by the former leader's retreating soldiers.

Dead bodies lie on beds in the hospital ward Photo: AFP

By Gordon Rayner, Chief Reporter

9:55PM BST 28 Aug 2011

Rebel leaders estimate that 60,000 opponents of the ousted dictator have been jailed since the insurgency began in February, but with most of Libya now rebel hands, only 11,000 have been freed.


Mass executions of opposition forces are being uncovered on a daily basis, and human rights groups fear the total number of prisoners murdered by the retreating loyalists, already in the scores, could escalate sharply.


Over the weekend the charred remains of at least 53 people were found in a warehouse where they appeared to have been executed by the Khamis Brigade, Libya's most feared military unit. A further 18 bodies were discovered decomposing in a nearby ditch by a Daily Telegraph reporter yesterday.


Col Ahmed Omar Bani, a rebel military leader, said: "The number of people arrested over the past months is estimated at between 57,000 and 60,000.


"Between 10,000 and 11,000 prisoners have been freed up until now ... so where are the others?"

continued:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...els-claim.html

And the prison records mysteriously went missing and conveniently reported the same day? Who took them? Gaddafi? (PROVE IT! since you NATO are the ones claiming this it is you NATO who must provide proof!)

Libya: Prison records at risk of being lost

Key prison records and other documentation are at risk of being lost as sites remain unsecure and documents are destroyed or taken away in Libya, Amnesty International warned today.


"Prison records and other physical evidence may be critical for any forthcoming trials for crimes committed under the rule of Colonel Mu'ammar al-Gaddafi," said Claudio Cordone, Senior Director at Amnesty International.

"In addition, they could help shedding light on the fate of the many prisoners who have ‘disappeared’ in Libyan prisons in the last few decades, including many thousands taken prisoner by pro-al-Gaddafi forces since the beginning of the uprising.”

continued:

http://www.amnestyusa.org/news/news-...-of-being-lost

[the nine]

Originally Posted by lizzy

hi tinyint.....hope you enjoyed your tea.....breakfast here.
The first vid was v good. This second one had it half right...NATO is a hypocrite (and worse) but he seems to think Gadaffi owed foreign debt (as most countries do)..is that true I wonder ,I thought Libya financed all it's own projects, owing the western banksters' nothing......I could be wrong there......

but I just viewed this...old one but as we know gold denier was a real threat to FED....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgdn0...eature=related
the last min is a good list of the entitlements Libyans enjoyed.

PERHAPS ragnarok CAN AT LEAST SPEND ONE MIN TO VIEW THAT LIST.
(but I doubt it) LOL.

that video is excellent lizzy..a direct hit regarding the truth behind the invasion ad destruction of Liba.

if anyone doesnt think this is likely, please look at the greenback introduction in america to regain the power back from the bankers..

Abe Lincoln
JFK

need anyone say more?

[the nine]

Originally Posted by ragnarok

Erm... because they supported a man they had no control over, maybe? You obviously know some Libyan tribes are more privileged than others, so do you think that a fair basis for running a country?

they have said he is the leader because they allow him to be the leader..
I would assume from that statement that they had control over him.

some libyan tribes are bigger than others, thus, surely that is a basic model of democracy?
if gaddafi has full support of al the tribes this is indeed a level of democracy the western puppets could only dream of?

[lizzy]

Originally Posted by ragnarok

T'is true indeed, but let's not try and absolve all the west's enemies, whether we've earned them or not.

So WHAT exactly did Gadaffi do??? nothing, that's the true answer, absolutely NOTHING....you can make up all the lamestream stories you like.......

ABSOLVE.....the wests' enemies.....what is the west!!!! It's an evil criminal zionist crime gang,supported by scumbags.

[the nine]

Originally Posted by ragnarok

T'is true indeed, but let's not try and absolve all the west's enemies, whether we've earned them or not.

I am not absolving anyone, but their should be some level of openness when countries are being labelled axis of evil..
maybe open and frank interviews with their leaders, to get some perspective?
a televised open debate in the UN.. so the world can hear both sides..

but we both know that wont happen and we both know full well why it wont.

so we just cling onto the labels of "these are the new the bad guys" by the MSM because it suits the agenda of the faceless world leaders calling all the shots from behind their desks in penthouse suites afforded by the banks

[lizzy]

Originally Posted by the nine

that video is excellent lizzy..a direct hit regarding the truth behind the invasion ad destruction of Liba.

if anyone doesnt think this is likely, please look at the greenback introduction in america to regain the power back from the bankers..

Abe Lincoln
JFK

need anyone say more?

yep, it gives one of main reasons why this invasion was pushed so fast , that the pretext for only dumb and scum believe. Yes, the list was ever present but when Saddam wanted to sell his oil in Euros and Gaddafi to create N. African gold currency , they have to go.

[lizzy]

Originally Posted by kaibraine

50k "prisoners" missing huh? Does this mean 50k bodies to be found?

My speculation is that now the BIG lie is starting to be spun.



And the prison records mysteriously went missing and conveniently reported the same day? Who took them? Gaddafi? (PROVE IT! since you NATO are the ones claiming this it is you NATO who must provide proof!)

yep.....I agree. It's so obvious.

[tinyint]

Originally Posted by lizzy

hi tinyint.....hope you enjoyed your tea.....breakfast here.

Ah yes, thank you, most delicious ma'am.
Oh well, linear time is yet another conspiracy.

Originally Posted by lizzy

The first vid was v good. This second one had it half right...NATO is a hypocrite (and worse) but he seems to think Gadaffi owed foreign debt (as most countries do)..is that true I wonder ,I thought Libya financed all it's own projects, owing the western banksters' nothing......I could be wrong there......

but I just viewed this...old one but as we know gold denier was a real threat to FED....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgdn0...eature=related
the last min is a good list of the entitlements Libyans enjoyed.

PERHAPS ragnarok CAN AT LEAST SPEND ONE MIN TO VIEW THAT LIST.
(but I doubt it) LOL.

I posted the second video in the context of the question resistance raised, if there are people starting to get it.
It thought the man in the video showed promising thoughts.

I will watch now the video you posted.

[resistance]

All of Libya is against the so called rebels and NATO. Millions will take up arms, remember these people are largely tribal and will not engage NATO in a conventional war. Gaddaffi is extremely popular in libya, not only in Libya but other countries, this is why NATO want him dead. Upto now the Libyan army has held back from using their missile defences, and other forms of defense which are more than capable of inflicting some loses on NATO when it kicks off proper. All the talk of rebels now running Libya is complete nonsense. It wouldn't suprise me in the least if they try and stage Gaddaffi's capture, they tried that with his son, which was later proven to be nothing more than a massive psy-op.