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Old 09-08-2011, 07:50 AM   #1
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Default What you never heard about Gaddafi's Libya

What you never heard about Gaddafi's Libya
How many westerners know, that our governments owes 200 billion dollars to Libya, for the crude oil that was already delivered before NATO alliance started bombing Libya?

What “free” and “balanced” Western media have ever mentioned that the year 2012 is when the concession of big Western oil companies ends in Libya and they can no longer exploit Libya’s oil wells?

How many people of the West (that would be us) are aware that before Western military attacked Libya Gaddafi has asked the West to pay what we owe or he would make the deals with China, India and other countries that are very interested in Libya’s oil??? I have not heard this in any of our Western media, that is for sure.

How many Westerners know that Libya is NOT a backward country? For example; around 7 million of Libyan citizens owns 14 million of registered cars. Two cars per each Libyan citizen is better car ownership average than that of most prosperous Western countries.

How many western people know that in Libya the healthcare and schooling are 100% free?

Does any westerner even know that average Libyan college student has a monthly allowance of over 2000 euros per month and that housing, food and car are also free for those students? How many of Western students can claim the same kind of state-provided benefits? Zero, zilch, none or close to zero, that is for sure!

Libya does not charge its citizens for water, electricity, gas, and taxes, and the credits are interest-free.

And, in case someone cannot repay the credit back – the government of Libya writes it off.

How many of our western citizens do not pay for water, gas, electricity? How many of us do not pay taxes because our government does not collect the taxes on its citizens? “evil” Gadhafi does not collect the taxes on his subjects.

How many westerners can take up the credits with zero interest? A very tiny and privileged class may be the only one that can get away with it within our western society, but majority of the western slaves (that would be most of us) can never get away with “tax evasion” in this plutocratic Western system.

In Libya a car is 3 time cheaper than anywhere else as the Libyan government pays 2/3 of the vehicle cost. When did our government pay anything for us, except when they want to exert more control and screw us even more, and if they do – they do it with our own taxes. Even the poisonous medicine (vaccines and drugs) are paid by us, for our own enslavement and destruction. So, whose government is more evil, western or Gaddafi's?

Before the Western military attacked the Libya it would cost 5 euros to fill in a gas tank.


How many euros does it cost to fill in a tank in U.K., or Norway?

And, the food in Libya was a bit more expensive than free – for one euro average Libyan could buy 80 breads.
How many loafs of bread could you buy in U.S or U.K. for equivalent of one euro? How much does the food cost on the West? The food is basic necessity of life, it should be affordable for all, if you want to have healthy society.

Where are the refugees from Libya, you for sure cannot find them in any country of the West?!

If Gaddafi is such an evil dictator – the Libyans must be everywhere, like those “loving” KLA Albanians from Kosovo are that permeate the Europe now?! I never heard of Libyan selling the drugs or stolen human organs or some white slaves for the profit like Albanians do.

Even the Libyans in Libya do not do any physical labor, and there are no street beggars, unlike in “prosperous West”.
I wonder why is that? Maybe because Libyans are dignified human beings and their society is lot healthier?

See, the kind of country, like Libya is today, where people have more than basic human needs provided for, where they are treated as human beings by their own government, where their government looks after them and respects them, that is a really BAD EXAMPLE and BAD BUSINESS for the western cryptocracy, those world bankers, crooks and criminals that rule the western nations and many other nations thanks to denigrated, enslaved and dumbed-down people of the West. (yes, that would be us, again)

God forbid if the people of the West begin to wake the fuck up one day soon and to begin to realize who is the REAL enemy, and if by a miracle they grow some backbone --- the western cryptocracy may be finished real quick, literally and with it the control system would collapse.

So, those Western slaves (us, again) must be kept in illusion that they’re free, or “more free” than anyone else until this already dying crypto-empire that uses perpetual Ponzi scheme is fishing for yet another desperate trick from their bag of tricks, and there are less and less of those tricks in the bag left. The fuckers that rule the planet are finished and they know it, but they are going to fight this to the end because they have everything to lose if the dumbed-down masses begin to wake up.

Because of that, the Libyan government is a “bad example” for more and more people that begin to question their own governments, especially we, the Western people that are under this slavery for the longest time.
See, Gaddafi's “oppressive regime” do not honor their 18 year old citizens with some bulshit promises of 'legal age" or some sticks and carrots of prosperous corporatism and wall street legalized scams masking as “prosperity” and “leadership” as our western leaders do, instead, 18 year old Libyans are given the chrome-plated keys to their own apartments by that oh, so evil dictator Gaddafi that we are told is oppressing his own people this very moment!

Oh, what a punishment that is, how denigrating to give them their own apartment just because they turned 18! Evil Gaddafi, I tell ya.

Seriously now, it is no wonder that “peace and democracy loving” western powers cannot allow such country to exist where humans are treated as human beings, and what the cryptocrats want is to level any such “rogue nation” down to “stone age” and make it indistinguishable from the sand as it could otherwise send a “bad example” for those western slaves that things are quite different than they appear in their western spherical mirrors through which they observe the world. Yes, that would be us, again.

Yes, we may actually catch-up with the scam and slavery and exploitation of this “prosperous West” of ours that we were born into. Like that quote from the Matrix movie that says exactly that. God forbid we begin to realize en-mass how we have been hoodwinked.

And, now we should really begin to think hard about our “advanced western civilization” where we need to pay for our right to be slave and our right to live.

Is Libya a “rogue nation” that is led by a madman Gaddafi?
Think again, more appropriate term of the “rogue nation(s)” would be applied to such/ those nation(s) that use military force to bring “democracy” with “humanitarian bombings” of other nations because they either are in debt to such nations, or they want to steal the resources of such nations.

In case of Libya our Western nations attacked Gaddafi's Libya not because he is a dictator but because he is not a western puppet. His crime? He asked us to pay off our enormous debts on the oil that we practically stole from him in first place at pennies on dollar, and now we do not and cannot honor the debt because our western empire is flat broke and war is just about the only option. but that is not going to fix much in a long run and we can see the writing on the wall.
The game is up and they know that more and more of us know. The question is, what are we going to do about it?

this western empire is almost clinically dead and we must jump off the titanic before we sink down with it.
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Old 09-08-2011, 07:58 AM   #2
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great post.....didn't know west owed him 200B......the list of 'why's' just gets longer..always resources , money , global domination.

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Old 09-08-2011, 08:41 AM   #3
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great post.....didn't know west owed him 200B......the list of 'why's' just gets longer..always resources , money , global domination.
Well said Lizzy !
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Old 09-08-2011, 09:11 AM   #4
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After talking to Egyptians both revolutionary and pro mubarrak its clear Libyas neighbours have a lot of respect and love for Gadaffi and Libya..

What kind of a regime arms his people when a revolution breaks out?
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Old 09-08-2011, 09:47 AM   #5
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1st Class thread and very Honest, Great Work my friend
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Old 09-08-2011, 09:52 AM   #6
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Wow! If I wasn't so happy living in the landscape of my birth and the military might of my own country's government wasn't bombing the living daylights out of Libya, this post would have me serously thinking about emmigration! Great post, Scalar Jump!
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Old 09-08-2011, 10:42 AM   #7
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It would be astonishing if half of these statements made were even true. There are no real/reliable sources to back any of this up, unless its from some other "truther" website.
Could you show/prove where you got this information from please? Most predominantly the claim where "the westerners"(?) owe Libya $200bn.
Why:
1. Libya has a GDP of under $100bn.
2. Libya exports are under $50bn.
Therefore, we are supposed to believe Libya is owed twice its GDP and four years worth its export income in unpaid oil deliveries and bills?

And the other half of these claims are just so absurd.
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It would be astonishing if half of these statements made were even true. There are no real/reliable sources to back any of this up, unless its from some other "truther" website.
Could you show/prove where you got this information from please? Most predominantly the claim where "the westerners"(?) owe Libya $200bn.
Why:
1. Libya has a GDP of under $100bn.
2. Libya exports are under $50bn.
Therefore, we are supposed to believe Libya is owed twice its GDP and four years worth its export income in unpaid oil deliveries and bills?

And the other half of these claims are just so absurd.
What is in the OP is what people told me who have family in Libya.
Not sure about the figures though but Blair while working for JPmorgan had previously invested loads of libian money in to some kind of bond..which of course they have robbed.
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Old 09-08-2011, 11:13 AM   #9
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What people may or may not have told you isnt going to be benificial in any way to me. I have no idea who you are, or may be. No one should ever believe in "word of mouth" or claims that have no real factual evidence or credit over the internet.
If any of the OP was true, then I dont see why it should be so difficult to find any of these figures in which have been suggested. All I'm asking as for some reliable sources which can help back up these claims and numbers which arent adding up.
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What people may or may not have told you isnt going to be benificial in any way to me. I have no idea who you are, or may be. No one should ever believe in "word of mouth" or claims that have no real factual evidence or credit over the internet.
If any of the OP was true, then I dont see why it should be so difficult to find any of these figures in which have been suggested. All I'm asking as for some reliable sources which can help back up these claims and numbers which arent adding up.
better yet, why don't you talk to Libyan people and their neighbors and do some research ?


here is more info on subject.
http://www.outlawjournalism.com/foru...pic.php?t=7303
do your own research, make your own conclusions. It is not my "job" to prove anything to anyone.
since I doubt that you can understand the article that was written in a non-western paper from which I have extracted some factoids
and many of them that i verified by talking to some Libyans and M.E. people I will not even bother of providing you a "proof".
It is too bad that you do not believe in "word of mouth"and your own investigation, rather, it seems that you believe some "trusted source of news' like BBC or CNN?!
honestly -- to me that is absolutely irrational attitude.

yes, i have herd many of those things from Libyans, U.A.E. and Kuwait residents, numerous times across the course of many years.
As early as 1980's i have heard that U.A.E and Kuwait residents are receiving thousands of dollars from their governments and that in U.A.E. just by being a citizen you have incredible benefits and that "government pays for everything".

all you need to do is ASK some of those people and you may learn what you would never learn in Western world.
As far as the money that Western nations owe to Libya the figures are from 150 billion to 220 billion, depending whom you talk to.
latest figure that is mentioned by many Libyans is 200 billion.
but, you are welcome to correct any of the statements in case you find them wrong.
personally, i rather believe many of the regular people that have lived or had contacts with a country than believe zionist media.

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