Too Much Truth, Not Enough Love.

[gladys]

Originally Posted by codie

Thank you so much for your kind words.
People say that its a form of fakery because they can't grasp the concept that you want to live in love - and they try their hardest to knock you - make you react with malice - but its true that those that seek to point out others failings wouldn't take so much pleasure in it if they didn't have many of their own. I have many I know, but I try to embrace the positive and open my arms to those that want solace. I have been told I think I'm 'up myself' for thinking I have the right to be able to offer assistance. I do think yeah who the hell am I to be able to guide another - but I'm nobody I'm just me doing what I feel I'm here to do. I'm bound to meet darker entities that want to sabotage it and try to fill me with doubt.
Once you allow yourself to be pulled into the negative energy it's a breeding ground for bad things to manifest
Yeah it's been challenging, but I won't give up love for hate - Never - even if it's a solo mission.

There is so much truth and wisdom in this post. Thank you Codie

[gladys]

Originally Posted by domino1108

No one aspires to be perfect, but they aspire to being of love, so that through that and in unity of love, we try to take this game a different direction. The much bigger game of knowing through love we connect to all that is, forever and ever. Once its truly touched you, truly, and it comes at great cost in some, then you know this is what all human beings so badly badly need. Is just some love.

Amen to that!!

Much love to you Domino.....and thanks

[domino1108]

i luffffffff youuuuuuuuuuuuuu *huggys for everyone*

[domino1108]

Originally Posted by ftil

Domino1108,

Hey, you have made me laugh reading your long post. When you are in love with life, you would want to dance with strangers. People can feel it and they don’t need big words. The rest is history and people are waking up to from it.

New age, religion. spirituality. for me is rubbish also. But i love. and i try to do what is right.

love is not an intangible concept steeped in mysticism, its simply to care for. to nurture, to set free, and to accept. To accept unconditionally, those who you agree with, and do not.

But its not my job nor virtue to change anybodys mind, but i will share my experience in an example of what love did for me.

i know you love art, but i would never ridicule your taste in it as its your choice, your love.

But if people on a forum, share a common bond, surely in unconditional acceptance of that, you say ok, fair enough. i dont agree. And you walk away.

This comes from respect of peoples choices, this comes from unconditional acceptance.

[domino1108]

Originally Posted by gladys

Amen to that!!

Much love to you Domino.....and thanks

pleasure my dear friend, this is trully something here that will transcend this forum, its much bigger than that, and its the right time. Bless you all and David

[ftil]

Originally Posted by domino1108

New age, religion. spirituality. for me is rubbish also. But i love. and i try to do what is right.

love is not an intangible concept steeped in mysticism, its simply to care for. to nurture, to set free, and to accept. To accept unconditionally, those who you agree with, and do not.

But its not my job nor virtue to change anybodys mind, but i will share my experience in an example of what love did for me.

i know you love art, but i would never ridicule your taste in it as its your choice, your love.

But if people on a forum, share a common bond, surely in unconditional acceptance of that, you say ok, fair enough. i dont agree. And you walk away.

This comes from respect of peoples choices, this comes from unconditional acceptance.

I think that the most important is having integrity and be honest with ourselves and with others no matter what. Nothing can be worse than self-betrayal.

Hey, you may express your feelings about the art I post. I wouldn’t take it personally but it would give me the knowledge who you are. I get to know more about person when I see the art he chooses that through words as art reflects our mental and emotional states.

[domino1108]

Originally Posted by ftil

I think that the most important is having integrity and be honest with ourselves and with others no matter what. Nothing can be worse than self-betrayal.

Hey, you may express your feelings about the art I post. I wouldn’t take it personally but it would give me the knowledge who you are. I get to know more about person when I see the art he chooses that through words as art reflects our mental and emotional states.

And Music

[raggie]

Originally Posted by gladys

Raggie, you never cease to amaze me. You are so fearless in your open-heartedness. You are one of the most open, insightful and loving people on this forum, and its a pleasure to know you. Your posts emanate love, and i, for one, am so glad you are here.

I'm sure i speak for all of us when i say thank you, i love you.

Your Mom must be very, very, very proud of you.

I have no idea how proud my mom may be. I tried a family reunion a few years ago and it ended up with me, pissed, throwing her to the floor and trying to strangle her. Some point after that my dad died. I have no idea if my mother is proud of me. She still lives and I know not where. That was then. This is now, and my love burns. It aches to be released. Not in a fountain of spunk, but in a fountain of honest, pure driven love. I do not want to cum inside you, I want to become beside you. I am a bit shredded at the moment. It was painfull to write about my sister. I am haunted. I have replanted a barren forest. I am not going to give up. Yeah I may come across as weird, who doesn't? David Icke has given us the platform to change. We can dance, we can sing. We can do what we want in the name of love. We can change our world. It is ours to change. How can we not love each other?

[ftil]

Originally Posted by domino1108

And Music

I only use music to dance.

[yass]

Originally Posted by raggie

I have no idea how proud my mom may be. I tried a family reunion a few years ago and it ended up with me, pissed, throwing her to the floor and trying to strangle her. Some point after that my dad died. I have no idea if my mother is proud of me. She still lives and I know not where. That was then. This is now, and my love burns. It aches to be released. Not in a fountain of spunk, but in a fountain of honest, pure driven love. I do not want to cum inside you, I want to become beside you. I am a bit shredded at the moment. It was painfull to write about my sister. I am haunted. I have replanted a barren forest. I am not going to give up. Yeah I may come across as weird, who doesn't? David Icke has given us the platform to change. We can dance, we can sing. We can do what we want in the name of love. We can change our world. It is ours to change. How can we not love each other?

That brings back a memory. One time when I was pretty young.. teenage.. at the ranch house out in the boonies of the Arizona desert, my mom went to wake up the youngest of my three older brothers who is a couple years older than me. She couldn't get him to wake up so she went and got cold water (I don't believe I'd ever seen her do that before) and she poured it on him.. what I saw wake up though seemed about like a monster. I recall him going to the kitchen sink angrily, plugging the stopper and pouring water in. Then I saw him take my mothers head and start bending it toward the sink full of water I was like 'What are you doing!? Stop that!!!'. He did come around, come back to his senses, and stop... but not before he scared her good by putting her through that test. Though I suppose it's not really funny, or was less than funny at the time, but it makes me laugh every time I think about it, haha.

[raggie]

Originally Posted by yass

That brings back a memory. One time when I was pretty young.. teenage.. at the ranch house out in the boonies of the Arizona desert, my mom went to wake up the youngest of my three older brothers who is a couple years older than me. She couldn't get him to wake up so she went and got cold water (I don't believe I'd ever seen her do that before) and she poured it on him.. what I saw wake up though seemed about like a monster. I recall him going to the kitchen sink angrily, plugging the stopper and pouring water in. Then I saw him take my mothers head and start bending it toward the sink full of water I was like 'What are you doing!? Stop that!!!'. He did come around, come back to his senses, and stop... but not before he scared her good by putting her through that test. Though I suppose it's not really funny, or was less than funny at the time, but it makes me laugh every time I think about it, haha.

ah I remember the night I had a go at my mum. I was on medication, having had yet another breakdown. I had been drinking heavily and my other sister thought it would be a good idea to suprise me with a visit from my mother. For ten minutes everything was fine. Then we got to talking about my sister who had died. I had buried all the resentment and blame I felt towards my parents for the way they had ridiculed my sister over her weight. At some point my mum ridiculed my sister's memory and argued that she deserved all that she got. I ended up walking from Bradford to Leeds through the middle of the night and that was another long walk with a head full of horror. To be sure it wasn't a good night for unconditional love. That was the first time I had seen my mum since my sister died and the last time I saw her. I know I will never see her again. Depression, repression, medication and alcohol certainly played their part. However I have to take responsibility for my behavour that night also. It's a harsh world, sometimes made harsher through our own reactions to certain events.

[yinology]

I've not read this whole thread, but from what I gather, there seems to be a duel between love and truth.

Can they not exist simultaneously?

See, the thing is, even though some say truth is more important than love, and some say love is more important than truth, just the fact that groups of people acknowldge both, whether the people agree with each other or not, both love and truth are in existence together.

Should the goal not be acceptance?

It is human nature to judge - judgement is not negative, you pass judgement when you cross a road.
You live in a world where you must take conditional actions in order to survive, to act without conditions or boundaries is to put yourself and others at risk.

Morals, and principals are conditions. The concept of unconditional love itself is a condition of being, if you see it this way it's actually a contradiction in terms.

So, can love ever truly be unconditional?
Can anything?

I think all aspects of life should be integrated into the being, otherwise you are only seeing a fraction of the picture, and then how can you be the best you can be if you are only focused on a fraction of reality?

[yass]

Originally Posted by yinology

I've not read this whole thread, but from what I gather, there seems to be a duel between love and truth.

Can they not exist simultaneously?

See, the thing is, even though some say truth is more important than love, and some say love is more important than truth, just the fact that groups of people acknowldge both, whether the people agree with each other or not, both love and truth are in existence together.

Should the goal not be acceptance?

It is human nature to judge - judgement is not negative, you pass judgement when you cross a road.
You live in a world where you must take conditional actions in order to survive, to act without conditions or boundaries is to put yourself and others at risk.

Morals, and principals are conditions. The concept of unconditional love itself is a condition of being, if you see it this way it's actually a contradiction in terms.

So, can love ever truly be unconditional?
Can anything?

I think all aspects of life should be integrated into the being, otherwise you are only seeing a fraction of the picture, and then how can you be the best you can be if you are only focused on a fraction of reality?

Excellent post, thank you.

[302bluefog]

Some people get extra love, others get none. Cold world, dress warm.

[consciousness]

with knowledge comes ego, with love comes peace

[equinoxboy]

What a beautiful thread.

Giving love is not enough. It is equally important to accept love.

Love

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by raggie

so true, how can we communicate our own experiences of knowing love given as freely as one would give oneself a glance in a mirror? Does anyone have any stories of how unconditional love has been experienced in their own lives?

nice thread thank you.

first let me say that im sorry for my writing skills but i did not fit very well into the education system. lots of drugs and pink floyd got me through it.

I have been surrounded by "uncondtional love" all my life. as a kid i was in and out of juvenile detention centers, but my mom and dad gave me lots of love to help me get through this rage i had against society. i use to pick fights with guys who i had no doubt would kick my ass but in some sick way we all got off on the pain. but my parents strong love got me through it.

then i married a very loving women who has also helped me not fuck it all up again by giving me lots of unconditional love. Now i have two very loving kids, and everything was cool up until i discovered that the 1% who controls the 99% are about to lose CONTROL of the 99% ????

at first i panicked and tried to figure out how to get off the grid. its freakin impossible.... so i finally just accepted what was coming and up until a few months ago i was one of the people you were talking about. i was just enjoying watching the train wreck while eating popcorn.

but thanks to this forum im now VERY GRATEFUL TO HAVE AWAKENED TO LOVE!!!!!!!! and i have no doubt that love will get us ALL through this struggle too.

[equinoxboy]

Originally Posted by lonestar

nice thread thank you.

first let me say that im sorry for my writing skills but i did not fit very well into the education system. lots of drugs and pink floyd got me through it.

I have been surrounded by "uncondtional love" all my life. as a kid i was in and out of juvenile detention centers, but my mom and dad gave me lots of love to help me get through this rage i had against society. i use to pick fights with guys who i had no doubt would kick my ass but in some sick way we all got off on the pain. but my parents strong love got me through it.

then i married a very loving women who has also helped me not fuck it all up again by giving me lots of unconditional love. Now i have two very loving kids, and everything was cool up until i discovered that the 1% who controls the 99% are about to lose CONTROL of the 99% ????

at first i panicked and tried to figure out how to get off the grid. its freakin impossible.... so i finally just accepted what was coming and up until a few months ago i was one of the people you were talking about. i was just enjoying watching the train wreck while eating popcorn.

but thanks to this forum im now VERY GRATEFUL TO HAVE AWAKENED TO LOVE!!!!!!!! and i have no doubt that love will get us ALL through this struggle too.

It's posts like this that remind me how good it is to be alive.

Love

[knowthyself1]

Good post I totally agree.

Many people still need to come to realisation that truth IS love.

[raggie]

Originally Posted by lonestar

nice thread thank you.

first let me say that im sorry for my writing skills but i did not fit very well into the education system. lots of drugs and pink floyd got me through it.

I have been surrounded by "uncondtional love" all my life. as a kid i was in and out of juvenile detention centers, but my mom and dad gave me lots of love to help me get through this rage i had against society. i use to pick fights with guys who i had no doubt would kick my ass but in some sick way we all got off on the pain. but my parents strong love got me through it.

then i married a very loving women who has also helped me not fuck it all up again by giving me lots of unconditional love. Now i have two very loving kids, and everything was cool up until i discovered that the 1% who controls the 99% are about to lose CONTROL of the 99% ????

at first i panicked and tried to figure out how to get off the grid. its freakin impossible.... so i finally just accepted what was coming and up until a few months ago i was one of the people you were talking about. i was just enjoying watching the train wreck while eating popcorn.

but thanks to this forum im now VERY GRATEFUL TO HAVE AWAKENED TO LOVE!!!!!!!! and i have no doubt that love will get us ALL through this struggle too.

ah thanks. I have been lacking inspiration and energy lately. I understand what you say about picking fights with people. I once read something by Henry Rollins, ex Black Flag. He said that for him it was akin to dancing at times. I understood that instantly. Somedays I fully understand how easy it is to allow love to just wash over me and more recently it has gotten harder and harder. Yet I do know that love is all we are. Nothing more and nothing less. I can actually feel it wash through me. I worry that there are limited ways of demonstrating this on a forum and we end up apologising for our lack of writing skills, because this forum is a hell hole where we are chastised instantly for any gaps we may have in our understanding. I have started coming here less and less, even though it is the best home I have ever had. I really do hope that somehow we will understand, in this home of ours, that love knows nothing of academic qualification. It knows nothing of ego and one upmanship. It knows nothing of the past and cares not for the future. Love knows only love. Love knows you, and it knows me, far more than either of us could ever begin to hope to understand or know it.