Iran's Plan to Overthrow America

[lizzy]

Originally Posted by lightgiver

Many Turkish and Kurdish businesses in London pay supposed “revolutionary taxes” which in reality are protection rackets ran by the main youth wings of the Tottenham Boys and Bombacilars gangs. “Businessmen have to pay money out because they are frightened to go to the police. If you have children you would rather pay that money than have something bad happen”. Common criminals and street gang members often used the names of political militaries such as the PKK and Dev Sol to back up their threats although today it is very clear that they are paying the gangs. Representatives of the Halkevi Community Centre, the hub of Stoke Newington’s Kurdish community, concede the feeling has been that “too many shopkeepers are being threatened for protection money and too many people are afraid of the gangs”. In 2002, a survey of 200 Turkish and Kurdish shopkeepers in north London revealed that 65% admitted to paying protection money. An average estimate was not provided but it was as much as £10,000 a year from some businesses. There have been serious repercussions for those who refuse to pay. One businessman from Enfield had his fingers slashed with a knife, and warned that they would be cut off, before the gang then offered to protect him and his business for £90,000. Another businessman told the media how he was forced to pay £8,000 a year in protection for his small shop stating that the young boys used to carry out the work, some as young as 14, view themselves as above the law. He was assaulted and pistol whipped on one occasion for failing to make a payment on time. A businessman also had his car stolen as punishment. When he reported the incident to the police his son was the next day abducted at gunpoint in broad daylight and then beaten up prompting the allegations ...

What has this got to do with destroying other nations?
What you post here only demonstrates the zionist agenda of destroy from within ...in this case excessive immigration which eventually will lead the UK to societal breakdown and a totally fascist / commutarian police state.....
this is no pretext for the destruction of their countries of origin....
If the British police were doing their real job this would be stopped.

[lizzy]

Originally Posted by marpat

Actually I floated such an idea in here before. I was speculating on why a foreign enemy might find uses for conspiracy material and the real value of it would be to get a countries subjects to distrust their government, to cause them to be uncooperative or possibly hostile to their own government. In this way large numbers of people could provide a useful cover and aid for foreign agents who come in the guise of 'truth seekers', who only want to 'help' people. When these people had served their purpose they would be left to suffer any consequences of their actions in helping such people. A good example was the Greenham common protests back on the 70's-80's. It was strongly suspected that soviet intelligence agents and special forces (which in Russia include women) were actually operating amongst the crowds of people campaigning against nuclear weapons, using them as a cover and co-ordinating some of the more high profile incidents, such as when the base was breached.

Personally I can see how such things can be used against people who think they are just trying to look out for each other. They could just end up as pawns in somebody elses bigger game. The truthers, however, seem to think they are beyond being duped, which makes them actually more vulnerable to being tricked.

something like this .......

[lightgiver]

Originally Posted by lizzy

What has this got to do with destroying other nations?
What you post here only demonstrates the zionist agenda of destroy from within ...in this case excessive immigration which eventually will lead the UK to societal breakdown and a totally fascist / commutarian police state.....
this is no pretext for the destruction of their countries of origin....
If the British police were doing their real job this would be stopped.

Do you live in the UK...

Originally Posted by Iranian Jew

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad revealed to have Jewish past...

A photograph of the Iranian president holding up his identity card during elections in March 2008 clearly shows his family has Jewish roots...
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/...m_1494743f.jpg
Ahmadinejad showing papers during election. It shows that his family's previous name was Jewish...

A close-up of the document reveals he was previously known as Sabourjian – a Jewish name meaning cloth weaver...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...wish-past.html

[jon galt]

Nice post above. There is a lot of propaganda concerning iran. The only way iran would be a threat to the west would be in the event of western aggression. To my knowledge iran has never initiated a war or attact any one since the Persian empire.with the exception when the british controlled sha was in power. The world needs more diplomacy and our( the west) threats to this country is not the way. Irans nuclear power could have started peacefully but because of our threats they may now want the bomb.I doubt the UK or us would attack a nuclear iran. BTW our threats include droping bunker busters ( euthemism for small nuclear weapon) on Iranian nuclear sites. Including functional nuclear reactors.
For some time NATO has been surrounding Russia and china with military bases and entrenching in states that give them a geopolitical advantage. I can not remember the name but some British general wrote about this in a book called the global chess board. Once a pieces are in position the next move is for the king

[eternal_spirit]

Originally Posted by lightgiver

The Iran–Iraq War, also known as the Imposed War (جنگ تحمیلی, Jang-e-tahmīlī) and Holy Defense (دفاع مقدس, Defā'-e-moqqaddas) in Iran, Saddām's Qādisiyyah (قادسيّة صدّام, Qādisiyyat Ṣaddām) in Iraq, and the (First) Persian Gulf War, was an armed conflict between the armed forces of IRAQ and IRAN, lasting from September 1980 to August 1988, making it the LONGEST conventional war of the twentieth century.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ar_Montage.png

The largest number of deaths attributable to the Iran-Iraq war (1980-1988). Iraq claims to have lost 500,000 people during that war...

Iran and Iraq remember war that cost more than a million lives...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...ar-anniversary

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_War

So much for friendly neighbours eh. Remember the ethnic cleansing of the marsh Arabs, invasion of Kuwait.


Who Are the Kurds?


A largely Sunni Muslim people with their own language and culture, most Kurds live in the generally contiguous areas of Turkey, Iraq, Iran, Armenia and Syria – a mountainous region of southwest Asia generally known as Kurdistan ("Land of the Kurds").

Before World War I, traditional Kurdish life was nomadic, revolving around sheep and goat herding throughout the Mesopotamian plains and highlands of Turkey and Iran. The breakup of the Ottoman Empire after the war created a number of new nation-states, but not a separate Kurdistan. Kurds, no longer free to roam, were forced to abandon their seasonal migrations and traditional ways.
Background: The Kurds

The Kurds have been subjugated by neighboring peoples for most of their history. In modern times, Kurds have tried to set up independent states in Iran, Iraq and Turkey, but their efforts have been crushed every time.

The Kurdish People

* 15 million to 20 million Kurds live in a mountainous area straddling the borders of Armenia, Iran, Iraq, Syria and Turkey. About 8 million live in southeastern Turkey.

* The Kurds are a non-Arabic people who speak a language related to Persian. Most adhere to the Sunni Muslim faith.

Turkey

* 1920: After World War I, when the Ottoman Empire is carved up, the Kurds are promised independence by the Treaty of Sevres.

* 1923: Turkish leader Mustafa Kemal Ataturk rejects the treaty, and Turkish forces put down Kurdish uprisings in the 1920s and 1930s. The Kurdish struggle lies dormant for decades.

* 1978: Abdullah Ocalan, one of seven children of a poor farming family, establishes the Kurdish Workers' Party, or PKK, which advocates independence.

* 1979: Ocalan flees Turkey for Syria.

* 1984: Ocalan's PKK begins armed struggle, recruiting thousands of young Kurds, who are driven by Turkish repression of their culture and language and by poverty. Turkish forces fight the PKK guerrillas, who also establish bases across the border in Iraq, for years. Conflict costs about 30,000 lives.

* 1998: Ocalan, who has directed his guerrillas from Syria, is expelled by Damascus under pressure from Ankara. He begins his multi-nation odyssey until he is captured in Nairobi on Jan. 15, 1999 and taken to Turkey, where he may face the death penalty.

Iran

* 1946: Kurds succeed in establishing the republic of Mahabad, with Soviet backing. But a year later, the Iranian monarch crushes the embryonic state.

* 1979: Turmoil of Iran's revolution allows Kurds to establish unofficial border area free of Iranian government control; Kurds do not hold it for long.

Iraq

* Kurds in northern Iraq -- under a British mandate -- revolt in 1919, 1923 and 1932, but are crushed.

* Under Mustafa Barzani, they wage an intermittent struggle against Baghdad.

* 1970: Baghdad grants Kurds language rights and self rule, but deal breaks down partly over oil revenues.

* 1974: New clashes erupt; Iraqis force 130,000 Kurds into Iran. But Iran withdraws support for Kurds the following year.

* 1988: Iraqis launch poison-gas attack, killing 5,000 Kurds in town of Halabja.

* 1991: After Persian Gulf War, northern Iraq's Kurdish area comes under international protection.

* 1999: Two rival Iraqi Kurdish factions, one led by Mustafa Barzani's son Massoud, the other by Jalal Talabani, broker a peace deal; goal is for Kurdish area to become part of a democratic Iraq.

SOURCES: Reuters, World Almanac, staff reports


During the early 20th century, Kurds began to consider the concept of nationalism, a notion introduced by the British amid the division of traditional Kurdistan among neighboring countries. The 1920 Treaty of Sevres, which created the modern states of Iraq, Syria and Kuwait, was to have included the possibility of a Kurdish state in the region. However, it was never implemented. After the overthrow of the Turkish monarchy by Kemal Ataturk, Turkey, Iran and Iraq each agreed not to recognize an independent Kurdish state.

The Kurds received especially harsh treatment at the hands of the Turkish government, which tried to deprive them of Kurdish identity by designating them "Mountain Turks," outlawing their language and forbidding them to wear traditional Kurdish costumes in the cities. The government also encouraged the migration of Kurds to the cities to dilute the population in the uplands. Turkey continues its policy of not recognizing the Kurds as a minority group.

In Iraq, Kurds have faced similar repression. After the Kurds supported Iran in the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq war, Saddam Hussein retaliated, razing villages and attacking peasants with chemical weapons. The Kurds rebelled again after the Persian Gulf War only to be crushed again by Iraqi troops. About 2 million fled to Iran; 5 million currently live in Iraq. The United States has tried to create a safe haven for the Kurds within Iraq by imposing a "no-fly" zone north of the 36th parallel.

Despite a common goal of independent statehood, the 20 million or so Kurds in the various countries are hardly unified. From 1994-98, two Iraqi Kurd factions – the Kurdistan Democratic Party, led by Massoud Barzani, and the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, led by Jalal Talabani – fought a bloody war for power over northern Iraq. In September 1998, the two sides agreed to a power-sharing arrangement.

Meanwhile, the Kurdistan Workers' Party, the PKK, currently waging a guerrilla insurgency in southeastern Turkey, has rejected the Iraqi Kurds' decision to seek local self-government within a federal Iraq. The PKK believes any independent Kurdish state should be a homeland for all Kurds.

Over the years, tensions have flared between the PKK, led by Abdullah Ocalan, and Barzani's KDP faction, which controls the Turkey-Iraq border. Barzani has criticized the PKK for establishing military bases inside Iraqi-Kurd territory to launch attacks into Turkey.

Ocalan's recent capture by Turkish agents touched off heated and sometimes violent protests by thousands of Kurds living in Western Europe. It's impact on the Kurdish people and their quest for independence is yet to be seen.







http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...urdprofile.htm

[lightgiver]

Originally Posted by jon galt

Nice post above. There is a lot of propaganda concerning iran. The only way iran would be a threat to the west would be in the event of western aggression. To my knowledge iran has never initiated a war or attact any one since the Persian empire.with the exception when the british controlled sha was in power. The world needs more diplomacy and our( the west) threats to this country is not the way. Irans nuclear power could have started peacefully but because of our threats they may now want the bomb.I doubt the UK or us would attack a nuclear iran. BTW our threats include droping bunker busters ( euthemism for small nuclear weapon) on Iranian nuclear sites. Including functional nuclear reactors.
For some time NATO has been surrounding Russia and china with military bases and entrenching in states that give them a geopolitical advantage. I can not remember the name but some British general wrote about this in a book called the global chess board. Once a pieces are in position the next move is for the king

Over the past eleven years, more than 750,000 Chinese people have immigrated to Africa. There are over 700 big businesses in Africa today owned by the government of China. Seventy percent of all timber used in China is imported from Africa, destroying otherwise untouched forests and disrupting the ecosystem. ‘African cloths’ sold in most markets in Africa these days have a ‘Made in China’ stamp. Sudan exports 60 percent of its oil to China. China in turn supplies AK 47’s, rocket propelled grenades, and ammunition to Sudan. In the period from 2003 to 2006, China’s arms sales to Africa made up 15.4 percent ($500 million) of all conventional arms transfers to the continent. Notable weapons sales include those to Sudan, Equatorial Guinea, Ethiopia, Eritrea, Burundi, Tanzania, and Zimbabwe. China offers African countries no strings attached investments and aid packages. But who is benefiting from these investments and the supposed aid? In Angola, for example, China brokered a deal wherein China had a major stake in future oil production and in turn would give Angola $2 billion in aid money so Chinese companies can build railroads, hospitals, schools, and roads. The majority of these projects have either been halted or have suffered a serious delay, which, for those of us in the know, probably means that the funds have been siphoned off into the pockets of corrupt officials...



http://www.kenyanlist.com/kls-listing-show.php?id=70790

[umairaraza100]

i hope this matter will be solve

[islamvslizards]

[lightgiver]

Hey maybe, just maybe it could be Irans plans to Islamize the world...

Islamization or Islamification (pejorative Muhammadization) has been used to describe the process of a society's conversion to the religion of Islam. In contemporary usage, it may refer to the perceived imposition of an Islamist social and political discourse on a society with a tradition of a more varied interpretation of Islam.

A polite fiction is a social scenario in which all participants are aware of a truth, but pretend to believe in some alternative version of events to avoid conflict or embarrassment.

Islamization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Islamization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Islamization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[fairyprincess]

Originally Posted by trudat

You see the people posting all these Un-American videos on this forum do not live in America even though they speak the language.

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Do you mean the American language of English?

[jackieg]

The crisis with Iran is not about nukes, oil or terrorism.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...alls-rise.html
Its about the U.S. dollar.
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/fo...sage498956/pg1
Iran accepts payment for its exports in any currency with 1 exception.
The U.S. green back.

Iranian oil bourse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Iranian oil bourse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Iranian oil bourse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The BRICS are getting on board along with some others.
Billions, hundreds of billions are flowing back into the zUSA at an unprecedented rate, as I speak.

BRICS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

BRICS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
BRICS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Up until the Iranians (with exception of Sadam) came along all oil sold was purchased on either the NY or London exchange and paid for in U.S. dollars.
So... country's that were holding U.S. funds as foreign reserves in order to pay for oil are now sending the excess U.S dollars or all of it, back to the Federal Reserve bank.
They are now holding a basket of currency's instead.
The U.S is no longer able to rake the pot like a private owner/dealer of a card game.
The U.S was getting a percentage of every gallon of oil sold on the planet.
Not any more.
The Americans have been on a drunken binge for 66 years.
Now their whiskey still has blown sky high and there is no booze in site anywhere except, in Iran.
and to top it all off the American administration is on a dry drunk headed for Iran.
Hillary has admitted they are losing the propaganda war.
http://addictionrecoverybasics.com/what-is-a-dry-drunk/

[elshaper]

Originally Posted by rhydra

Iran can't run it's own country, let alone overthrow America.

As far as Iran trying to destabilise America, isn't America doing a pretty good job at that itself?

You hit a nail in the FEMA coffin

Iran is surrounded
Land Map --> http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle30504.htm
Sea --> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-17027768

[kitabatake]

The UN is actually trying to make you hate Iran. Iran is innocent. Fuck the media and Faux News especially. Iran is one of the few major nations who are not under the Rothschild Banking "franchise" control. That is why the UN wants to take them out. Iran has done nothing wrong, especially compared to what the U.S. government has done.

[antiarchonist]

You Iran war mongers are either gullible useful idiot sheeple or deliberate shills trying to spread disinformation.

Iran is harmless, surrounded by US and allied military bases, sanctioned to death, and in all honesty has plenty of reason to not like the USA including a CIA coup which overthrew their democratically elected leader and gave power instead to the shah as a dictator, and also the shooting down of a civilian jetliner by the US. The hostage thing was a sham, extending for Reagan's election and to de-legitimize Carter for his Israel-Egypt peace brokering. The US sold weapons to Iran, the infamous Iran-Contra affair which created the Los Zetas in Mexico.

So who is the real bad guy?

If anybody wants to overthrow America, look no further than the Neoconservative pigs. Every neocon is guilty of treason. They should all be lined up facing a brick wall and one by one shot in the back of the skull. Seriously. Every neocon, every faux news conservative. Where are your loyalties? Not for the US. The communists really did infiltrate the US. They are the neocon warmongering pigs. Kill them all. No trial. No shame or guilt. They would kill you in a heartbeat. It's frustrating that nobody else sees this. These men are criminal monsters. Many are guilty of obvious crimes yet they not only get away, some of them get their own shows or continue to be employed in our government.

I suspect that several members here support and are in fact working on the neoconservative agenda. The neocons are NOT LOYAL TO AMERICA. They mean to destroy us from the inside. So yeah, I don't care if it sounds harsh. Treasonous pigs need to be taken to the slaughter so out country has an actual future.

[lightgiver]

Originally Posted by antiarchonist

Treasonous pigs need to be taken to the slaughter so out country has an actual future.

Hmm...Its all coming out now.

What would you advise...stoning, lashes,beheading maybe.

[antiarchonist]

Originally Posted by lightgiver

Hmm...Its all coming out now.

What would you advise...stoning, lashes,beheading maybe.

LOL! What's coming out now? I am assuming that the stoning/beheading is a reference eluding to me being Muslim or Persian or something like that, right?

Well I'm just a white dude of no religious affiliation who despises treasonous neocon pigs in my government. What do I recommend? How about, for the lulz, gas chambers? Zyklon B. Probably would just make them cough.

Listen, treasonous pigs working for a foreign agent who have infiltrated important leadership aspects of our government and are all over the media should have their loyalties checked. In terms of government, constitutionally, death is actually permissible for being guilty of treason. Yeah, it's in the US constitution. Eric Cantor better hope he never goes to trial for treason. I'm sure his bankster buddies would bail him out somehow, but he is a treasonous pig. Guilty. From his own words and his own actions. The words came out of his mouth. If he was ever convicted, he would hang. It's in the constitution.

What do you think we should do with treasonous elements like the neocons? Give them hugs? Co-exist with them while they're trying to bring us down and even kill us?

[lightgiver]

Originally Posted by antiarchonist

Guilty. From his own words and his own actions. The words came out of his mouth. If he was ever convicted, he would hang. It's in the constitution.

Hey Maybe you could stick them in the Fema camps and dress them up in stripy pyjamas as well before you hang them....



Don't forget to wear your uniform during the operation...I am sure Jimmy and co will have a spare one or two in their wardrobe's...

[profplume]

Originally Posted by motleyhoo

The American politicians and corporate greed-mongers don't need any help destroying America. They're doing a fine job of it already, while the mostly uneducated, fat and lazy, ideologically delusional average Americans sit on their arses watching it happen. This country's economy is going down the toilet while the perpetrators rob the people blind right in front of their faces, and while TSA agents wearing rubber gloves stick their hands down their kids underwear looking for "terrorist bombs". Why would iran want to mess with that and possibly screw up a good thing? The Rothchilds and the Bin Ladens have already won.

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If we are playing espionage games here, I'm going to guess that you are NOT American. lol

[omar revo]

like if Iran is really an Anti-America, Iranian government is lying

if Israel really wanted to attack them then they would have done it a while ago in silence just as they did to Saddam, but they don't

they are just playing the "Good Guys, Bad Guys" game

[skulb]

Originally Posted by trudat

The Truthers are made up of people that want to understand but can't because of their un-changeable belief. They have a faulty perception of what is the truth, and what is the gain of having the truth. Their truth in their mind has no gain in my eyes. My message to any truther "Dude, you're an idiot..."


That's your augment that I am a troll...Hommie please, I spit facts that you know are true and you can't argue. Tell me this, what country are you from?


How am I ignorant when you are the one not replying to me with facts. Tell me this, what country are you from?




Yeah I have to agree about Iran running its own country. I can't turn my head at the fact America does have Education and Family issues. The UN need to step in and help America here because as wealthy and powerful America is they also need help.


Yeah I just gave you a link. Oh by the way... Tell me this, what country are you from?


So are you saying...Aww what are you saying...Tell me this, what country are you from?

Freedom of speech has its pros and cons. You my friend are not doing it justice.

So basically that`s your only argument: "Tell me what country you`re from" as if intelligence is dependent on nationality. The whole roll out of totalitarianism world wide for the past 100 years or so is a 100% European phenomenon, and has nothing to do with Iran which has been as much a victim of it as anybody else.
The GWOT, 9/11 and all the rest of the malarkey was cooked up in European and American think tanks, "intelligence" agencies and political institutions. All of it is financed by the same banks that were behind Mao, Lenin, Hitler, Stalin and basically every police state tyranny in the world including the one under the Shah of Iran. It is neo colonialism and is currently in the process of being forced on the USA and Europe the way it`s already been forced on the rest of the world.
As long as you think for a second that Iran is a threat to anybody compared to this centralized evil you`ll be very easy to enslave no doubt. The first sentence in Sun Tzu`s Art of War is to know your enemy. Clearly you don`t.