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Old 21-05-2011, 03:35 PM   #1
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I have been noting the headlines lately regarding the summer being hot with little rainfall. I am getting increasingly worried about this as I am on a water meter and trying to grow veggies. I lost quite a lot of veg at the beginning of last summer due to being worried about the water bill even though I was able to borrow my neighbours hose to fill up the rainbarrels and give the garden a good watering a couple of times (they are now on a meter so I have lost that option)

Anyway, a few weeks back I was told by my mum that if you have no surface water going down an outside drain you should be in tarrif 2. I have no surface water going down a drain and have been on tarrif I for I5 years

I plan to phone the water company up to get onto tarrif I and to ask for I5 years rebate for this but I feel it is very unlikely I will get one.
The other option is to cancel the direct debit and simply NOT PAY.
I have done my best for 4 years to cut down on the water bill by going on a meter, installing 5 rainbarrels and going backwards and forwards filling up water in a bucket and boiling the kettle. Yes it saved me a lot until I started to grow veg.

This is really pissing me off and if I don't do something about it I feel I am letting myself down.
I am the soul person responsible for my family and to be honest, could do without the hassle of SWW breathing down my neck and bullying me into paying.
Is there anyone here who doesn't pay and what should I expect?

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Old 21-05-2011, 03:47 PM   #2
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This is really pissing me off and if I don't do something about it I feel I am letting myself down.

This is the heart of the matter.


If you had a choice to be pissed off or not, would you still choose to be pissed off?

If you had a choice of feeling like you are letting yourself down or not, would you still choose the feeling of letting yourself down?

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Old 21-05-2011, 03:49 PM   #3
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This is the heart of the matter.


If you had a choice to be pissed off or not, would you still choose to be pissed off?

If you had a choice of feeling like you are letting yourself down or not, would you still choose the feeling of letting yourself down?
I'm really inm no mood for that jconnor but thanks anyway
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Old 21-05-2011, 03:49 PM   #4
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good luck with the water company Bel,
sorry I can't offer any advice, I don't know anything about water meter tariffs.

just wanted to wish you all the best.
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Old 21-05-2011, 03:52 PM   #5
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If you have been paying the wrong tariff you should be able to claim a rebate back to 2007 when they changed.
http://www.southwestwater.co.uk/inde...articleid=6903
Good luck, and if you screw it to SWW let us know as those bastards are greedy little oiks.

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Old 21-05-2011, 03:58 PM   #6
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I'm really inm no mood for that jconnor but thanks anyway
Probably get your water shut off?

Lead to more suffering?

Which options leads to the least suffering?


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Old 21-05-2011, 04:01 PM   #7
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I have been noting the headlines lately regarding the summer being hot with little rainfall. I am getting increasingly worried about this as I am on a water meter and trying to grow veggies. I lost quite a lot of veg at the beginning of last summer due to being worried about the water bill even though I was able to borrow my neighbours hose to fill up the rainbarrels and give the garden a good watering a couple of times (they are now on a meter so I have lost that option)

Anyway, a few weeks back I was told by my mum that if you have no surface water going down an outside drain you should be in tarrif 2. I have no surface water going down a drain and have been on tarrif I for I5 years

I plan to phone the water company up to get onto tarrif I and to ask for I5 years rebate for this but I feel it is very unlikely I will get one.
The other option is to cancel the direct debit and simply NOT PAY.
I have done my best for 4 years to cut down on the water bill by going on a meter, installing 5 rainbarrels and going backwards and forwards filling up water in a bucket and boiling the kettle. Yes it saved me a lot until I started to grow veg.

This is really pissing me off and if I don't do something about it I feel I am letting myself down.
I am the soul person responsible for my family and to be honest, could do without the hassle of SWW breathing down my neck and bullying me into paying.
Is there anyone here who doesn't pay and what should I expect?

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Water your veggies= pay the man.

Don't water your veggies= don't pay the man and dont get your veggies.

Hardly complicated.
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Old 21-05-2011, 04:06 PM   #8
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Is there anyone here who doesn't pay and what should I expect?
Along with TV licence, I aint paid a penny for 16 years.

Nothing has happened yet.
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Water your veggies= pay the man.

Don't water your veggies= don't pay the man and dont get your veggies.

Hardly complicated.

Its not that simple when the EGO hangs in the balance.



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Old 21-05-2011, 04:11 PM   #10
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good luck with the water company Bel,
sorry I can't offer any advice, I don't know anything about water meter tariffs.

just wanted to wish you all the best.
Thanks for the sweet words martg,
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Old 21-05-2011, 04:12 PM   #11
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Along with TV licence, I aint paid a penny for 16 years.

Nothing has happened yet.
But you live on Pandora. LOL

Thats amazing they haven't shut stuff off.

Where I live, you get the gas disconnected, the phone disconnected, the electricity disconnected, water disconnected etc.
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Old 21-05-2011, 04:13 PM   #12
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If you have been paying the wrong tariff you should be able to claim a rebate back to 2007 when they changed.
http://www.southwestwater.co.uk/inde...articleid=6903
Good luck, and if you screw it to SWW let us know as those bastards are greedy little oiks.
nice one knightofthegrail, I will get onto that on monday

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Probably get your water shut off?

Lead to more suffering?

Which options leads to the least suffering?
Can they cut the water off with children in the house? I didn't think so...
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Old 21-05-2011, 04:18 PM   #13
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Can they cut the water off with children in the house? I didn't think so...
I don't live in the UK so I don't know.


I found this.


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If you do not pay or fail to keep to a payment arrangement we will take the following action:

1. We are legally bound to and will send you a final reminder that gives you at least seven days to pay the outstanding balance.

2. If no payment is received or payment plan agreed with us your account will be passed to our Recovery team who may contact you to discuss how you will pay your charges. In the absence of a response your account will be passed to our Legal Executive or Debt Collection Agent or to a debt collection agency working on our behalf who will contact you to request immediate settlement, contact may be by letter, phone and/or personal visit.

3. If you still do not make arrangements to pay the amount due or do not keep to the agreement made with the agency, we may issue a claim in the County Court. In addition to the amount you owe us, the Court can order you to pay legal costs and interest. These costs will add at least 80 to the debt. It will also be difficult for you to obtain credit in the future.

4. If you do not keep to the Court order we may take enforcement action.

This may include:

Issue an order for questioning – this involves going to court to explain your financial circumstances so the court can access how much you can pay. There are legal penalties if you fail to attend

Issuing a warrant of execution – this involves bailiffs calling at your home to take property to cover the value of the debt and the costs of the action taken to recover your debt

Issuing an attachment of earnings – this instructs your employer to take money from your earnings and pay it directly to the court or us
Issuing a third party order – this is a court order which allows us to take the amount of the debt and our costs directly from your bank account
Obtaining a ‘charge’ on your property – if we obtain a charge on your property, this means that you cannot sell your property until you have paid off the debt and our costs

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In some cases we may pass your bill to a debt collection agency who will contact you to agree a payment plan. We approve and regularly monitor all debt collection agencies practices as they must comply with the Office of Fair Trading guidelines.

This is an example of what one of the UK water providers would do, it has no relation to the water provider in the Original Posters case.
https://southeast.veoliawater.co.uk/...g-my-bill.aspx

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Old 21-05-2011, 04:19 PM   #14
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Its not that simple when the EGO hangs in the balance.
Ok, let me change that for you... I feel I am letting the WHOLE family down. I have kept my head above water, (pardon the pun) don't have any debts, don't owe anybody anything and have survived on a meagre amount of money all my life. do I really want this to change simply because I am trying to provide my family with unspoilt, untainted fresh vegetable when I have been screwed by the water company as it is??

Better?
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Old 21-05-2011, 04:25 PM   #15
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But you live on Pandora. LOL

Thats amazing they haven't shut stuff off.

Where I live, you get the gas disconnected, the phone disconnected, the electricity disconnected, water disconnected etc.

Pretty sure it's the only domestic service they cannot legally shut off. You can survive without electric and gas, not water..

Get plenty of red letters, they go straight in the bin though.
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Old 21-05-2011, 04:32 PM   #16
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I've seen this sort of thing threatened:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/8115887.stm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...es-bosses.html

But it says in the BBC article:

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I also found this article:

http://www.utilityweek.co.uk/news/ne...asp?id=194986&

I've only seen Thames Water's name mentioned in articles, not any of the other water companies. But then I found this bill:

http://www.publications.parliament.u...22/522vw20.htm

Written evidence submitted by Anglian Water:

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Our preferred change is for government to restore to water companies the right to cease supplying water to customers who are able but who deliberately choose not to pay their water bills. This right existed until 2000, since when bad debt levels have increased significantly.
But then in the same legislation, I found the following:

http://www.publications.parliament.u...22/522vw22.htm

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Domestic disconnection is rightly not an option for water companies, but in its absence we need carefully to examine other ways to create a disincentive for repeated and willful non-payment. We agree with Anna Walker's recommendation that Government review whether companies should be legally able to pursue debt through the magistrates' courts, a mechanism already successfully used for non-payment of council tax.
There's an article from your neck of the woods here from November last year:

http://www.thisisdevon.co.uk/news/Su...l/article.html

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Unlike electricity and gas providers, no water company can disconnect supply to people's homes, on public health grounds.
As far as I can see, you can't be disconnected from the water supply. But I would imagine it would be a similar situation to not paying council tax, you would probably be pursued quite forcibly.
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Old 21-05-2011, 04:40 PM   #17
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Along with TV licence, I aint paid a penny for 16 years.

Nothing has happened yet.
I don't pay them either. Never had anything more than a flurry of letters every once in a while.
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Old 21-05-2011, 04:48 PM   #18
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If you stop paying your water bill whilst they cannot switch off the water they can and do take people to court which could lead to various forms of enforcement. Inc: baliffs, an attachment of earnings and/or ccj.

You can most definitely apply to change tariff and get that backdated to certain date.

You can also apply to certain grant giving agencies in order to make improvements to your accommodation that would decrease your bills.
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As far as I can see, you can't be disconnected from the water supply. But I would imagine it would be a similar situation to not paying council tax, you would probably be pursued quite forcibly.
Thanks for all you have done wake up bomb.
I don't fancy being forcibly pursued really.

I have warned people several times on this forum and in my neighbourhood that getting a meter installed can cause no amount of stress.
If you have to have two showers a day or a bath twice a week, need to flush the loo each time you go, wash the dishes every day or want to wash your car now and then... DON'T BOTHER and this is without growing your own.

I wouldn't be AT ALL surprised if the weather has been manipulated for this reason alone, it has been so unusually dry these last few months and they are predicting a hot and dry summer

But then, I'm just paranoid
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