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Old 25-04-2011, 08:00 AM   #1
luciferhorus
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Default ATS, Freemasonry, Masonic Sex & hazing rituals.

I have had this post removed from ATS on two occasions from my thread On the "King of all the World (Hiram Abiff);" the Masonic Messiah & other Masonic Conspiracies, on: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/...g2#pid11165190 I am reposting my third edited attempt to post this here for reference.


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Originally posted by KSigMason
reply to post by Lucifer777

None of these hazing activities is done in Masonry.
OK well I will try to devote the rest of this response to establishing that this is a false statement which if given in court would be tantamount to perjury.

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Originally posted by KSigMason
reply to post by epicfail
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With some anti-Masons irrational hatred, I do sometimes think its a conspiracy to tear us down, and to spread fear and lies.
I would put it to you that it is you yourself who is making deceptive statements, and I will seek to offer evidence of this.

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I'm still curious to how he was the only one who testified, but yet no one supported his claims of abuse. Strange.
You are referring to the Michael Vaughn court case here and since we cannot interview such persons, we can only speculate. Americans seem to have a different sense of humour than we Europeans, but I found the articles to be hilarious; they would make a perfect Monty Python sketch. My own speculation would be that since Americans are stricken with the disease of "litigation mania" and lawyers are often referred to, for good reason, as "ambulance chasers," people sue each other for the most trivial of reasons, just to make money.

Three points (two are speculations, one is based on empirical evidence)

1: If Michael Vaughn's testimony was perjurous and no such BDSM style hazing rituals took place, it would be a simple matter to prove this, since there were allegedly 40 other candidates present. All that the defence lawyer would have to do is to call them as witnesses, one by one, to establish the perjury of the litigant. This did not occur and his testimony of what happened was not subject to doubt, denied or refuted

2: Vaughn's claim that the experience had made him psychologically disabled, I found to be ridiculous and since our psychological state is a "subjective" condition, it would have been virtually impossible to prove or disprove; I consider this court case to be just a phenomenon of litigation mania; he was trying to get some money from a very wealthy religious cult, which is the world's wealtheist non religious charity; however this is an entirely separate matter to the allegation of Vaughn bearing "false witness" under oath regarding the BDSM rituals which took place in the presence of numerous witnesses, since perjury would have been very easy to establish and the defence attorney would probably have torn him pieces on this matter.

3: Would-Be Shriner Says He Was Subjected to Painful Initiation Rites
The Associated Press
November 20, 1991

LEXINGTON, Ky. - Michael G. Vaughan says he went to the Shrine temple to learn the secrets of the universe. What he learned, he says, is that the Shrine's initiation rites involve electric shocks and the humiliation of having one's underwear filled with strawberries and whipped cream......

[b]A court-ordered videotape of the temple's initiation devices confirmed much of Vaughan's story, including the existence of the electrified bench and mat[b]


So A: the court found evidence of an electric bench:



...and B: the court found evidence of an electrified mat which the litigant stated he had to walk across while holding hands with other initiates.

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I am wondering if you can find any claims within the last 20 years though.
Allegations

OK; well there are numerous "allegations" regarding Masonic cultists, from using charity funds to pay for sex tourism, to allegations of hazing rituals, the sexual nature of Masonic events, their role as a gang of gangster Capitalists in the state terrorist, narco-terrorist establishment, loan sharking, and a whole plethora of allegations made by Stephen Knight in "Inside the Brotherhood" and in Martin Short's "The Brotherhood," such as corruption within the police and judiciary, collecting protection money from (London) brothels; bid rigging on construction projects, Masonic arm's manufacturers using Masonic government employees to defraud the government by accepting invoices for non existent work; Masonic law firms defrauding clients by accepting bribes from Masonic insurance companies whom their clients were suing and so forth, but all such allegations probably require their own thread and I am not going to restate the entirety of Knight and Short's allegations in a single post.

So...the let's just stick to the BDSM rituals, hazings and sex allegations specifically with regards to American Masonry.

Example one (1991), as previously stated:

[ex][i]Would-Be Shriner Says He Was Subjected to Painful Initiation Rites
The Associated Press
November 20, 1991

LEXINGTON, Ky. - Michael G. Vaughan says he went to the Shrine temple to learn the secrets of the universe. What he learned, he says, is that the Shrine's initiation rites involve electric shocks and the humiliation of having one's underwear filled with strawberries and whipped cream......

http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/shriners.html

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Example 2; dated Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 (Sam Huston)

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I’m a Shriner in Texas. I have been a Shriner for many, many years. I am also a Jester in the Royal Order of Jesters within the Shrine......

During the initiation of new Jesters I was offered the opportunity by another fellow brother to sleep with a whore,...... This did not stop at initiation. These were a constant occurrence at our Jester functions and they are a common occurrence today. The initiation practices have not changed as well. Prostitutes were offered/made available at our functions and often brothers would have sex in front of other brothers.

Oral sex competitions between brothers were considered “fun” activities to build a strong brotherhood bond between members of the Royal Order of Jesters. Potentates and Chaplains, Attorneys and Judges, Past Masters and brothers all participating or watching with open eyes, but closed minds. I often felt ashamed of what I was doing, but the pleasure outweighed the guilt. I had fallen within a deep hole and my cable-tow had been severed

http://freemasonrywatch.org/exjester...ton.email.html

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Example 3 (2008):

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Jester Confesses to Wife He Organized Prostitutes

Mon Aug 25, 2008

..........When I confronted him, he explained to me how it works. The Jesters have a “pool” of girls. Certain men have their favorites and make requests to have them at the books. It is up to each court's Director to assign the job of inviting the girls, a number based of the number of attendees. In this case, eight girls were invited for between 180-200 men. He says that only about 20% of the men use the girls, but a friend said it's more like 70%
.............

.......Off duty cops act as guards for the secure floors...

(1) According to court documents, the U.S. Attorney's office describes the Royal Order of Jesters as:

This organization maintained chapters throughout the United States, including in Western New York, and it was the custom of these chapters to host periodic meetings, usually on weekends, for their members. At most of these meetings, some members of the organization would be tasked to arrange for the presence of women at the meetings, for the specific purpose of utilizing the women to engage in sexual intercourse and other sexual activity with the organization's members in exchange for money."

...........http://sandyfrost.newsvine.com/_news/2008/08/25/1784263-jester-confesses-to-wife-he-organized-prostitutes."
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Example 4 (2008)

[ex] the story from last May about Jesters' "fishing trips" to Brazil that involved at least 19 members and hookers as young as 13."

"The first deposition, 61 pages, was provided by Adilson Garcia da Silva on Sunday, April 13, 2008. He describes how he became a fishing guide, his work history, how marijuana was allegedly obtained for the plaintiffs' clients then began describing how girls, from age 13 on up, were lured into prostitution from Brazilian Indian reservations for the fishing trips' clients. The girls, he said, were hired to provide 'programs' that consisted of 'oral sex, strip and dance contests.'

Question: What is the youngest age that you’re aware of a girl being on the boat as a prostitute?

Answer: My brother would pick up a group of girls in Autazes and would take by boat to an American. One was 13, one was 14, and there was one who was even 9 years old.

......
investigation has grown from dryly describing numbers on non profit tax returns to exposing the Shriners' dirty-little-secret sub-group, the Royal Order of Jesters and their prostitution scandals.

It's been kind of shocking to discover that this American icon has been "misleading the public for years" and then come to find out that some of these Shriner/Jesters have committed sex crimes under the guise of being a non profit group.

You know.

Prostitution at tax payer expense.

Tax returns show that Jesters national spent over $570,000 on one weekend bash.

That's about $11,000 an hour.

http://sandyfrost.newsvine.com/_news...bick-sentenced

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:Example 5. Unfortunately the Masonic apologist and site owner of freemasonsfordummies.blogspot.com seems to have deleted his site and so I cannot date this, but as I recall from memory it is contemporary.

[ex]“I quit the Jesters more than 20 years ago, and this kind of thing has been going on at least 40 or 50 years,” said Malcolm “Mutt” Herring, 90, of Montgomery, Ala. “I quit because I don’t drink, and I don’t mess around with other women, other than my wife. Going to one of their events was like going to a whorehouse.”

"...........to claim that the ROJ doesn't know about this stuff on a widespread basis is sheer nonsense. "

http://freemasonsfordummies.blogspot...s-expands.html (Masonic Internet site no longer exists)

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Example 6: 2008

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Sunday, March 30, 2008
The Trouble With Jesters


http://freemasonsfordummies.blogspot...h-jesters.html (Masonic Internet site no longer exists)

There has been much "who-shot-john" going on over at The Burning Taper for the last few weeks over the reporting of scandals involving the Shrine's Royal Order of Jesters. The Jesters are an invitation-only group within Shrinedom whose motto is "mirth is king," and is considered by some to be an inner circle within the organization. I'll leave you to discover the BTs blog entries on your own for the details, but there are at least two major investigations going on concerning the group involving prostitution and violation of the federal Mann Act.

On the one hand, for anyone to say they are shocked - shocked! - to discover Shriners having anything to do with prostitutes is intellectually disingenuous. Shriners, strippers and hookers have been keeping each other company for over a century.

And while some of us can sit in the parlor and tsk over it being antithetical to the tenets of Freemasonry (which it is), the Babbitry of the past, combined with the Shrine's post-WWII excesses, has been institutionalized by both the Shrine and the public's perception. Lest anyone forget George Carlin's punctuating 1976 punch line, "Drink up, Shriners." Or 1960's "Bye Bye Birdie's" musical number in which a group of Shriners think a young lady straying into their dinner is the stripper for the evening.

There is no wonder that a certain percentage of men who join the Shrine have specifically come looking for the Shrine they've heard about. They are looking for the secret society that has the strippers and the hookers and the county sheriff guarding the door who sees they get home okay.

Not all men join the Shrine out of the altruism of helping crippled kids. I actually had a man try to sell me on Shrine membership by saying, "You can drink all night for five bucks, and besides, we un-f***-up the crippled kids!"

Something slightly less than the Masonic ideal.

After the Shrine parade in Salt Lake City on St. Patrick's day, about a dozen of us fez-wearing loud-mouths (all perfectly sober, I might add) drove to the suburbs to get their 1939 Yellowstone tour bus weighed at the local truck stop. Some Shrines get drunk and bring in the strippers. Salt Lake City guys get their bus weighed. It was bitter cold, and we drove through town acting like, well, Shriners, with the top down, yelling what we thought were zingers to pedestrians, and generally lowering the property values. You know, the stuff guys generally do as teenagers, and living up to the mission of putting some of the boy back into the man. At the truck stop, I had one of those defining moments, curiously. A man perhaps in his twenties came out and said he wanted to shake the hand of every Shriner in that bus. He had received free care from the Salt Lake Shrine Hospital as a child that had allowed him to walk.

So the Shrine is a conundrum to me. The hospitals are among the finest philanthropic missions in this country. And if they get paid for by grownups who sometimes act like high school imbeciles, well, maybe society needs to loosen its corset a bit.

On the other hand, I don't disagree with the sentiment of those who say that some of the Shrine's institutionalized excesses are at odds with Freemasonry's tenets of morality. I suspect that argument has gone on since the 1870s when the teetotalers found out the Knickerbocker boys were sopping it up in town because the Methodists threw the booze out of the lodge.

But on a larger level, these guys are living in the past. The stock 1920-50s characters of sad-faced George Babbitts, Willy Lomans and Crazy Guggenheims lined up at the bar, comparing lodge pins, pinching waitresses and sneaking out on the wife have largely passed on to the choir invisible. Such outlets of middle-class frustrations may have been a staple of the pre- and post-WWII culture, but it has not been embraced by the children of the Baby Boomers. It is arguable that men don't step out on their wives as much anymore, they just get divorced - or don't get married to begin with. Online porn and the Playboy Channel have brought voyeurism and private personal prurient gratification into the home. And STDs have helped to make the regular practice of playing rumpy-pumpy with professional girlz a less than harmless indiscretion. That hasn't stopped the business entirely, as Elliot Spitzer proved in New York by dropping 80-large to have his clock cleaned. But it's just not a wink-wink-nudge-nudge kind of activity in US society anymore. Which makes the activities of the Jesters not just un-masonic and illegal, but a sort of creepy anachronism for a group to be engaging in.

I don't have a problem with Brother Widow's Son posting the lurid details of the Jesters on his blog site. Thomas Hardy said, "If a way to the better there be, it exacts a full look at the worst." And if a clot of idiots want to drag Freemasonry into the whorehouse by association and besmirch the fraternity by whoring it up with underage girls, they need to be exposed loudly, and their local Grand Master needs to give them the Order of the Boot. I'm not a Jester, and couldn't tell you what goes on at their gatherings with any degree of certainty. But I find it especially moronic and irresponsible for the Jesters to have an online shop selling tee-shirts featuring a cartoon Jester climbing a well endowed woman and burying his face in her ample balcony, in light of the current state and federal investigations into their behavior. If nothing else, it's a little like Bruno Hauptmann leaving the ladder outside of the Lindbergh house.

I keep coming back to the same conclusion over and over. The Shrine needs to split from Freemasonry. The two groups need to go their own way. I know there has been shrieking on both sides that such a split will kill membership on both sides, but I don't agree with that anymore. Men who believe in the aims of both organizations will continue to belong to both. The Shrine will be able to draw from a larger pool of potential recruits. And if Freemasonry returns to its pre-1843 roots, the way the rest of the Masonic universe has remained, combining its tavern-hall, social origins with its Enlightenment-era philosophy of tolerance and brotherhood, the two groups will get along just fine. The rest of the Masonic world never barred alcohol from the post-lodge experience, so they never had any need to create Shrines and Grottos to begin with. Outside of the US, it's common and perfectly respectable for the Master to announce, "the lodge is closed and the bar is open." There's no need to act like idiot children because they treat Masons like adults.

On another mailing list a Mason made the remark that those who were criticizing the Jesters had "determined the length of another Brothers Cable Tow. I didn't realize that becoming a Mason meant that Christian Morality governed the fraternity. I believe that the then King David had many Concubines and for that matter plural wives. . . Did the brothers do something that in the 20th and 21st century is considered in inappropriate? Well according to the laws of the United States yes. When I used to hire a lot of Mexican workers many of these workers claimed that they were married. These workers were usually found out to be minors and yet they had children of their own with a young woman who was underage and they claimed to be husband and wife. Some of these young people were under the age of 16, now who's morality are you going to condemn these people with..."

If ever there was an argument for the Shrine to clean up its act, or to move away from Freemasonry, it's right there, in a sociopath's relativistic defense of hiring 13 year old prostitutes to live by the motto "mirth is king."

________________

Christopher L. Hodapp is the editor of the "Journal of The Masonic Society." He is the author of the best-selling "Freemasons For Dummies," and "Solomon's Builders: Freemasons, Founding Fathers and the Secrets of Washington D.C
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Example 7 (2010 & 2019)


[ex]ROJ Wives Club says:
August 18, 2010 at 12:11 pm
After 30 years of marriage to a Shriner I finally realized what a life I wasted with someone who lies, cheats and deceives me. My husband joined the Freemasons after we had been married about 5 years and being the narcissist that he is things quickly got out of hand –he is currently a member of 15+ organizations. It doesn’t stop with the Shrine there are spin off organizations they join such as the Royal Order of Jesters, Order of the Q, Billiken Clubs, Jesters on Wheels, etc. that keep them gone on weekends and will drain your bank accounts. These organizations promote immoral activities that are published as STAG events that include prostitution. Over the years while doing the wash I found call girl cards, phone numbers, Viagra, and other memorabilia in my husband’s pockets after he returned from the “Books”. These Books are nothing more than excuses to leave your wife and family and do whatever you want – your marriage vows are checked at the door. What goes on behind the secret Shrine/ROJ curtain stays behind the curtain. They will lie to your face and in court to protect each other. One protection they can’t offer is from HIV – Jester Girls should be tested more often. I recommend to other wives that you have your husband HIV tested regularly if he joins any of these organizations or your life will be in danger and not just from his threats. The Sam Houston email regarding the Royal Order of Jesters is not isolated to Texas and New York this behavior exists in every state under the fraternal cloak of darkness. They are brainwashed to acknowledge Hiram Abiff as their savior and to believe in a supreme being that is not Jesus Christ. Like they say SO LET IT BE


HEATHER J. says:
September 24, 2009 at 12:29 pm
I am divorced after 30 yrs of marriage to a ROJ member. He was a respected educator esteemed by the community where we lived, worked, farmed and raised our children. We were not wealthy but he was accepted as a member of the ROJ on the recommendation of his very wealthy brother and on the condition that he do the “secretarial” work for his court. He did not like this job since he felt it was demeaning. When I once asked him why he agreed to do it, his response was “because I would not be able to be a Jester any other way.” He is a Mason and rose to respected leadership and honour in that order. He subsequently joined the Shrine. I had always been a supportive partner in all of his extracurricular activities related, inter alia, to Masonry and Shrinedom. Our marriage had been one that was based on love, hard work, trust and mutual respect. But then my husband joined the ROJ. He was away many weekends, out of the country and at Books of the Play in our country. These diversions strained our budget in a huge way. Over time, our relationship, and my husband’s relationship with our aware and intelligent teenagers began deteriorating. He was aloof, often in a bad mood, uncommunicative and unsupportive of anything to do with mutual or family activities. He acted like he did not like any of us anymore. (It was himself he didn’t like anymore!) He did, however, always tell me upon returning from a ROJ event, of all the activities that went on there – much of which has been written about on various related websites recently. I could not condone this behaviour of the many men I knew who were Jesters, but at that point, I still believed my husband when he said he did not engage in any of these activities. I often directly challenged him on how he could purport to adhere to the morals and principles espoused by Masonry and still turn a blind eye to the behaviour of his “Masonic” friends and family members who had become members of the ROJ. One day he informed me that he did not want to be married anymore. I could not understand why, initially. It was when we were well into the legal separation stage that my son, of all people, told me what his father had been up to all this time. My husband had earlier in the year taken our son into his confidence and subsequently to one of the out of country weekends to educate him as to what went on at these events – I guess as a means of educating our son in the ways of manhood and manly activities. At that point, my husband was having an affair with a woman in the US and also having affairs when in home country ROJ territory. Some educator! Some education! I was appalled, angry, disgusted, betrayed and completely ambushed and damaged by this information. The rest is very painful history and now belongs in my past – not my present. My children are now married with children of their own. Their father is part of their lives once again, but that is due to their initiative and courage to engage with him in recent years. He is still a very active Jester and travels to the BOP’s many time a year. He and I still must connect politely at family gatherings. He still seems in need of my friendship from time to time and I remain detached and cool, but I keep the peace. I have paid a very painful price for this peace. No, I do not have anything good to say about Jesters or this organization of primarily very wealthy (but incredibly selfish and narcissistic hedonists), influential men from around the world. I know too much. And many of the Jesters I know, know I know too much. The behaviour of adult, seemingly successful and intelligent men at the various venues of the ROJ does nothing but bring sadness to my soul. I thought, rather naively I suppose, that overall male intelligence and moral decency had risen considerably above the level of the “the other head” in recent generations. How wrong I feel about that now. I do not understand why a group of men must have a “secret” and exclusive club to engage in deviant sexual (as morally and legally defined) behaviour and other non-mainstream activities such as cock and dog fights. There are surely enough other venues, opportunities and freedom of choice these days for any adult man or woman to have their non-mainstraim needs met. Why the need for disguising as “phun” and secretly condoning such behavior in a group comprised mainly of so-called “elitists”? Sick, sicker and sickest. There is, IMHO, absolutely no merit to this Masonic/Shrine offshoot organization whatsoever. Thanks for the opportunity to rant.
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But sources close to the investigation and former Jesters from other parts of the country tell a different story, one of bizarre activities — including routinely hiring prostitutes for gatherings, sex competitions and degrading initiation rites for new members — at many Jesters outings, with off-duty police hired to keep nonmembers away......

Last August Martin (te Jester's president) sent a directive to all 191 local chapters, forbidding the following conduct during initiation ceremonies:

• “Any type of physical brutality, such as whipping, beating, striking, branding, electronic shocking [or] placing of a harmful substance on the body.”

• Sleep deprivation, exposure to the elements, confinement to small spaces, or other activity that subjects Jesters to “an unreasonable risk of harm.”

http://www.freemasoninformation.com/...zare-sex-acts/

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Example 8 (2008)


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For those of you who read this post are a Mason or not, please take into consideration what I am about to discuss. I want to say that I am a former member of the Royal Order of Jesters and a past Director of my local Court. My name is ficticious in order to hide my identity so those Jesters who are members of my Shrine Temple will not know who I am. I am not fearing for my life or any such thing, but I would certainly recieve a cold shoulder and disgust if not shunned and tried to force my removal as a member of the Temple which I am still very active in.

In defense of Freemasonry, I will say that 95% of the membership know little or nothing of the ROJ or what they do. The ROJ is a hush hush order and not ever to be spoken of in front of non-members. In some Temples the ROJ is the only way some men will be elected to the Divan (elected officers of the local Shrine Temple) while in some it will bar you from becoming a member of the Divan.

Here is a word for word quote from the book describing , WHAT A JESTER IS.

The Royal Order of Jesters is a luxury organization - for only those who can qualify and afford it. Any man proposed for membership should be of such financial status that his dues, assesments and expenditures incidental to his membership, will cause no embarassement or deprivation to his family, business associates, or any others to whom he may be at any time obligated.

He must be a good Shriner in good standing in his temple and pre requisite bodies, and must maintain these memberships if invited to become a Royal Jester.

Because membership in the Royal Order of Jesters is limited, each member is expected to be active as possible. To be a good Jester he should attend the business and social functions of his Court whenever called.

This invitation is usually extended to only those Nobles with enough political pull or power in the Temple or reserved for Past Grand's or the super wealthy. Membership in the Jesters is prestigious and costly. I paid many 1000's of dollars a year in dues and assesments over the years. It is true and some will try and deny it but prostitution and gambling and a whole lot of drinking happens at every Jester function, minus a few. Once or twice a year a Court holds a Co-Ed function where the wives may attend.

Prostitution is the Order of business at the National Book of the Play. The way that the Jesters try to claim there are no prostitutes is because the women are not in the same room but are in rooms paid for out of the Budget of the Play. I have attended many plays over the years and have seen as many as twenty plus women and as little as 1 at various functions. The women come with a certificate that states they are free of all STD's and only then are they allowed to work. ( wouldn't want the Jester to come home and bring something back to his wife that he can't explain, huh?)

Some will say not all Jesters participate in this and that is true, but about 90% do. I knew a member who was a Minister and he attended Jester functions knowing full well what went on, but he did drink his fair share of whiskey. But aside from that, the initiation of new Jesters is embarassing and demeaning. One particular episode found me blindfolded standing on the edge of a stage with a string tied to my penis and the other end to a brick. The Jester kept telling me what would happen if the brick dropped and the string did not break. But asked me if I trusted him and assured me I would need not to wory. I wanted to be a Jester at this time badly, but being naked with a brick tied to me I threw the brick but little did I know that the string was cut by the member before I threw it and it did not tug me. There were other situations like this. After the initation I was offered by a member to sleep with a prostitute or go watch another member as he took one on. Or we could perform a oral act on her.

I once traveled down south to Georgia where the local court in Atlanta puts on a Totem Pole Degree. Starring the "where the ^uck are we tribe". This degree is filthy and raunchy. Women were at this event as well

http://sandyfrost.newsvine.com/_news...ekend-parties-

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Example 9 (2006)


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Mannheim soldier’s death has element of Masonic mystery

http://www.stripes.com/news/mannheim...ystery-1.44856

GI found dead hours after scheduled secretive rite

European edition, Sunday, February 12, 2006

Questions loom involving the details of Spc. Donald Anthony’s death. An autopsy was inconclusive.

Masonic history 101

The Masons are a secret society that dubs itself the world’s oldest and largest fraternity. Masons rise in rank by performing degree-work.

Prince Hall Masons, made up primarily of black men, began in Massachusetts about 200 years ago as an offshoot of the early Masonic lodges in America. The African Lodge was organized on July 3, 1776, with Prince Hall as the worshipful master.

The African Lodge grew and prospered to such a degree that Prince Hall was appointed a provincial grand master in 1791. Out of this grew the first Black Provincial Grand Lodge.

In 1847, out of respect for their founding father and first grand master, Prince Hall, the three existing African lodges changed their name to the Prince Hall Grand Lodge, the name it carries today.

Today, some 5,000 lodges and 47 grand lodges exist that trace their lineage to the Prince Hall Grand Lodge, Jurisdiction of Massachusetts.

The Prince Hall lodge to which Spc. Donald Anthony Wilder belonged in Mannheim, Germany, falls under the purview of the Most Worshipful Prince Hall Grand Lodge of Washington and Jurisdiction. Prince Hall lodges under the state of Washington grand lodge can be found in Germany, Iceland, Japan, Okinawa, South Korea, Turkey and the United Kingdom. The office of the Prince Hall in Kuwait is listed at Camp Arifjan.

The Prince Hall Grand Lodge of Maryland has jurisdiction over several lodges in Germany that have their meetings on military installations. Installation commanders determine if private groups — such as the Masons — can meet on military facilities, said Air Force Lt. Col. Ellen Krenke, a Department of Defense spokeswoman.

Most scholars believe Masonry arose from the guilds of stonemasons who built castles and cathedrals of the middle ages. In 1717, Masonry created a formal organization when four lodges in London joined to form England’s first Grand Lodge.

The Masons perform charitable services as well. The Shrine Masons (Shriners) operate the largest network of hospitals for burned and orthopedically impaired children in the country, and there is never a fee for treatment. The Scottish Rite Masons maintain a nationwide network of more than 150 Childhood Language Disorder Clinics, Centers, and Programs.

— Steve Mraz

Sources: www.princehall.org, Prince Hall Grand Lodge of Washington Web site, Prince Hall Grand Lodge of Maryland Web site, Grand Lodge of Virginia Web site.

MANNHEIM, Germany — Weeks before Spc. Donald Anthony Wilder was found dead in a barracks shower, his parents say, he told them he knew he was going to be beaten.

On Jan. 7, Wilder, 21, was set to become a third-degree Mason with the Prince Hall Masons in Mannheim. A radio communication security controller repairman with the 512th Maintenance Company, Wilder had become active with the Prince Hall Masons in the fall of 2005.

The Prince Hall Masons are a predominantly black, secretive brotherhood. Similar to other branches of Masons, the group offers networking opportunities and performs community service. Several U.S. troops in Europe and around the world belong to the Prince Hall Masons.

In order to become a third-degree Mason, Wilder knew he would have to endure being beaten on his buttocks with a paddle by fellow Masons.




His plan was to get so drunk for the Jan. 7 ceremony that he wouldn’t feel the pain of the beatings, according to a friend, Spc. Tony d’Ercole. His mother, Diane Wilder, said her son told her that if he got so drunk that he passed out, his fellow Masons would take his blows.

On Jan. 8, just hours after the evening ceremony that took place inside Mannheim American High School at Benjamin Franklin Village, Wilder was found dead in a friend’s shower in the barracks at Spinelli Barracks in Mannheim.

An autopsy performed last month at Landstuhl Regional Medical Center was inconclusive, pending further studies, which are due back next week. Marie Shaw, a Landstuhl spokeswoman, said preliminary findings show Wilder experienced a “sudden, unexpected death.”

Wilder’s actions during the days leading to his death have been outlined by a friend, d’Ercole and his mother.

The Prince Hall grand lodge that has jurisdiction of the lodge with which Wilder was active issued an edict against hazing just 10 days after Wilder died.

“Be it hereby known and acknowledged that there will be no hazing or un-Masonic conduct of any sort tolerated during degree work within the Jurisdiction of the Most Worshipful Prince Hall Grand Lodge of Washington and Jurisdiction,” the Jan. 18 letter stated. “Any such behavior that is determined to be inappropriate will be dealt with swiftly and unequivocally per our code on un-Masonic conduct.”

The letter was signed by Wendell O. Hutchings, the lodge’s grand master.

In a telephone interview, Hutchings said his group is investigating what happened at the initiation ceremony. He said paddling is forbidden.

He called what happened Jan. 7 an isolated incident and said it was not reflective of the Prince Hall Masons as a whole.

“Those individuals responsible are certainly going to be dealt with swiftly,” he said. “We are going to make a decision on those individuals who participated in that initiation.”

Last days

Donald Wilder’s parents say their son told them quite a bit about the Masons, except for the group’s secrets. He talked about the good work he did with the Masons. The group raised money for Hurricane Katrina victims and for the college funds of children of U.S. troops killed in action. He told them about the roughly $1,000 in dues he paid since September to be a Mason.





Also, he told them about the paddlings he took when he became a first- and second-degree mason last fall: how he would lie in his bed at Spinelli Barracks in Mannheim, icing his body after the paddlings, his mother said.

“He talked about the beatings a lot … and he was very afraid of them,” Diane Wilder said from her home in Seal Rock, Ore. “Prior to the … ceremony, he was throwing up because he was so nervous, that’s what we were told.”

He said the beatings were to show the other Masons just how badly you want to be a member.

“ ‘If you can’t put up with a little discomfort for a little while in order to do some good for people, you don’t want it that much,’ he told us,” she said.

On Christmas, Diane Wilder talked to her son twice. During those conversations, she says, Donald Wilder expressed concern about the paddlings he knew awaited him.

“His plan was to get so drunk that he wouldn’t have to take all the beatings,” Diane Wilder said.

His parents told him not to go through with it. They would pay for him to join the Masons in Texas where he was set to be reassigned by the Army.

“There was something about it, obviously, we didn’t like,” Diane Wilder said. “It made us nervous. It just didn’t seem right.”

The week before his death, the Wilders talked to their son every other day. On Jan. 5 — three days before he died — Wilder promised his mother he would not go through with the third-degree ceremony, she said.

Donald Wilder would not stay true to his word.

“I think he just decided not to tell us because we disapproved,” Diane Wilder said.

Also on Jan. 5, Wilder went to Murphy’s Law Irish Pub in Mannheim. He met friends that evening, including Maria Testai, a German acquaintance, and d’Ercole, a soldier in Wilder’s unit who served with him in Iraq.

The two soldiers talked for about an hour at the bar, d’Ercole said, and Wilder seemed relaxed. Testai said Wilder told her that he would like to go to a movie with her during the coming weekend.

On Jan. 6, Wilder ate dinner with a friend and the friend’s wife. It was there that he told the couple his plan about getting drunk for the following evening’s ceremony, d’Ercole said.

On Jan. 7 — the night Wilder was set to become a third-degree Mason — he called Testai around 8 p.m. and told her he was going to the “party,” she said.


“I have another friend married to an American,” Testai said. “She told me about the Masons. She told me that they would beat up the people and drink a lot when they have parties. I didn’t like it so I didn’t ask for more.

“He sounded, I don’t know, not really nervous,” Testai said. “He talked a lot. I don’t know if excited is the right word.”

The initiation ceremony took place inside Mannheim American High School. The group initially requested to use the facility on Jan. 6. Because of school rehearsals, the high school was not available, said Dennis Bohannon, public affairs officer for Department of Defense Dependents Schools-Europe.

A key to the school was checked out to the Masons on Jan. 5. The group used the key to enter the facility without authorization on Jan. 7, Bohannon said.

When asked how school officials knew that the Masons were in the facility on Jan. 7, Bohannon said, “someone in the school has personal knowledge.”

After the ceremony, Donald Wilder went out clubbing, his mother said.

Sometime during the morning of Jan. 8, Wilder was found lying unconscious and unresponsive in the shower of a friend’s room at Spinelli Barracks, said Diane Wilder. Medical professionals, military police and the German police were called to the scene.

Shortly after noon, Spc. Donald Anthony Wilder, a 21-year-old veteran of Operation Iraqi Freedom, was pronounced dead.

Officially speaking

To date, no charges have been preferred against anyone in relation to Wilder’s death. Until further autopsy studies are complete, it is unknown whether Wilder died of alcohol poisoning or something else.

Officially, the command that Wilder’s unit comes under is working with the Army’s Criminal Investigation Command, known as CID, to find out what happened.

“We have multiple, ongoing investigations to ensure that the facts are known and everything that can be done to prevent this from happening to other soldiers,” said Maj. Allen Hing, 21st Theater Support Command public affairs officer.

To protect the integrity of its investigation, CID is not releasing details of the investigation at this time, said Christopher Grey, CID spokesman.

Soldiers are not prohibited from joining such groups as the Masons. D’Ercole estimated about six or seven soldiers in his roughly 250-man unit are Masons.
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By PATRICK HEALY
Published: Wednesday, March 10, 2004

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PATCHOGUE, N.Y., March 9 � The initiation rituals at the Masonic lodge here had been bathed in secrecy over the years. The climax of Monday night's ceremony was to be a simple prank. A new member of the Fellow Craft Club, a select group within the lodge, would sit in a chair while an older member stood 20 feet away and fired a handgun loaded with blanks.



That ritual went terribly wrong inside Southside Masonic Lodge No. 493, in a basement littered with rat traps, tin cans, a 9-foot-tall guillotine, and a setup designed to mimic walking a plank.

The shooter, a 76-year-old Mason, Albert Eid, was carrying two guns, a .22-caliber handgun with blanks in his left pocket, and a .32-caliber gun with live rounds in his right pocket.

He reached into his right pants pocket, pulled out the wrong gun and shot William James, a 47-year-old fellow Mason, in the face, killing him, the authorities said.

Mr. Eid, a World War II veteran who had a license to carry his own pistol and often did, pleaded not guilty Tuesday afternoon to a charge of second-degree manslaughter and was released on $2,500 bail. He was wearing his blue Masonic jacket during his arraignment in Central Islip.

Suffolk County Police called the shooting an accident, the consequence of one man's confusion. The fatality exposes this secret society, centuries old, to a rare degree of public scrutiny.

Late Monday night, police carried evidence and ritual objects out of the Masons' one-story lodge in Patchogue. All day Tuesday, television reporters and curious neighbors examined the club's bricked-over windows and peered into the front door to glimpse a bulletin board announcing the order's recent charity efforts.

Masonic leaders statewide were quick to disavow the ritual and shooting, saying it was not Masonic custom to shoot guns at other members. Ron Steiner, a spokesman for the New York State Grand Lodge of Free and Accepted Masons, which oversees all Masonic lodges in the state, said the social club was not officially tied to the Masonic organization.

"This is so far beyond the concept of reality it's mind-boggling," Mr. Steiner said. "I've never heard of anything like this."

Mystery and suspicion are woven into the history of the Freemasons, who trace their roots to the stone workers' guilds that built medieval Gothic cathedrals. The guilds evolved into secret clubs over the years with secret handshakes and rituals, and symbols like an all-seeing eye, pyramid and compass.

Over the years, the Southside Masonic Lodge members developed their own initiation rituals for the social club in the lodge that set them apart from most other Masonic organizations, members said. No members of the lodge could remember pistols being used in the rituals (they are not allowed in inside Masonic clubhouses), but some described initiations that were part prank, part exercise in trust.

One member, Michael Paquette, said that when he was initiated into the group five years ago, two mouse traps were placed before him, and he was told that one worked, and one was broken, he said. Another member tested the broken trap, then told Mr. Paquette to touch the live one. He did, and discovered that it, too, was a dud.

"It was really harmless things," Mr. Paquette said. "It was just for you to be there and realize you were in good hands, and you didn't have to fear anything."

On Monday night, Mr. James and Mr. Eid were among 10 men who set to performing the club's initiation.

Mr. James, the first to be initiated, sat down in a chair, and two tin cans were placed on a shelf by his head. The idea was for Mr. Eid to fire two blank rounds, and a man standing behind Mr. James would knock the cans down with a stick. And then it happened.

"This is a tragedy," said Mr. Eid's lawyer, James O'Rourke. "He is absolutely beyond grief-stricken. This is a mistake, not a criminal act."

The Southside Masons are mostly middle-aged or retired men who come from middle-class backgrounds. The group once included about 500 members, but membership here and at other Masonic lodges has fallen over the years, and the group now has about 150 members, said Peter Berg, a member. There are about 67,000 Masons across New York State, and their numbers rose slightly last year, for the first time in a decade, Mr. Steiner said.

Orders like the Southside Masons seem more concerned today with Christmas parties and raising money for blood drives and children's charities than ritual.

While Mr. James had only joined the Southside Masons in December, Mr. Eid had been a member for more than 30 years, other members said.

"He's always there," Mr. Paquette said of Mr. Eid. "He put most of his free time into the lodge."

Fewer Masons knew Mr. James, but officials with the Town of Brookhaven, where he worked for the Planning Department, described him as a friendly man who seemed deeply devoted to his family. Mr. James's wife, Susan, said she had no idea what was happening at the Masons' lodge the night he was shot.

"This is so very sudden, and I'm just very upset," she said outside the couple's home in Medford. "To me, it was just a social thing."
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The Royal Order of Jesters is a luxury organization - for only those who can qualify and afford it. Any man proposed for membership should be of such financial status that his dues, assesments and expenditures incidental to his membership, will cause no embarassement or deprivation to his family, business associates, or any others to whom he may be at any time obligated.

He must be a good Shriner in good standing in his temple and pre requisite bodies, and must maintain these memberships if invited to become a Royal Jester.

Because membership in the Royal Order of Jesters is limited, each member is expected to be active as possible. To be a good Jester he should attend the business and social functions of his Court whenever called.

This invitation is usually extended to only those Nobles with enough political pull or power in the Temple or reserved for Past Grand's or the super wealthy. Membership in the Jesters is prestigious and costly. I paid many 1000's of dollars a year in dues and assesments over the years. It is true and some will try and deny it but prostitution and gambling and a whole lot of drinking happens at every Jester function, minus a few. Once or twice a year a Court holds a Co-Ed function where the wives may attend.

Prostitution is the Order of business at the National Book of the Play. The way that the Jesters try to claim there are no prostitutes is because the women are not in the same room but are in rooms paid for out of the Budget of the Play. I have attended many plays over the years and have seen as many as twenty plus women and as little as 1 at various functions. The women come with a certificate that states they are free of all STD's and only then are they allowed to work. ( wouldn't want the Jester to come home and bring something back to his wife that he can't explain, huh?)

Some will say not all Jesters participate in this and that is true, but about 90% do. I knew a member who was a Minister and he attended Jester functions knowing full well what went on, but he did drink his fair share of whiskey. But aside from that, the initiation of new Jesters is embarassing and demeaning. One particular episode found me blindfolded standing on the edge of a stage with a string tied to my penis and the other end to a brick. The Jester kept telling me what would happen if the brick dropped and the string did not break. But asked me if I trusted him and assured me I would need not to wory. I wanted to be a Jester at this time badly, but being naked with a brick tied to me I threw the brick but little did I know that the string was cut by the member before I threw it and it did not tug me. There were other situations like this. After the initation I was offered by a member to sleep with a prostitute or go watch another member as he took one on. Or we could perform a oral act on her.

I once traveled down south to Georgia where the local court in Atlanta puts on a Totem Pole Degree. Starring the "where the ^uck are we tribe". This degree is filthy and raunchy. Women were at this event as well.

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It should also be known that many Grand Lodges are cracking down on anything that could be construed as hazing.
Well since you have been having bouts of denialism and temper tantrums over this issue and alleging that Masons do not have such alleged hazing rituals, your statement "Grand Lodges are cracking down on anything that could be construed as hazing" would seem to be contradictory; why on earth would "Grand Lodges" be cracking down on hazing if such hazing did not occur in the first place?

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Since you are part of the US military, you might wish to consider all the great work that you are doing for the liberation and salvation of the Iraqi people (who have been subjected to torture, murder and genocide), for the US oil companies, private corporations and PMC's (Private military companies) and the great blessing that you have bestowed on the Iraqi people for thousands of years to come by scattering thousands of tons of depleted uranium over their lands.


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The cable tow is used in a ceremony, but it is no way the same as BDSM's use of a collar. That is
misconstruing the facts.

The BDSM slave / submissive wears a collar and chain for a purpose, which is mostly symbolic; it is symbolic of submission to the will of a Master / dominant.

Similarly the Masonic slave / submissive makes an oath to obey the will of his worshipful Masters, if they are in grabbing distance of his cable tow; it is part of the Masonic oath of the slave's obedience to his masters.

"For every slave a master and for every master a slave; neither slaves nor masters be; no gods; no masters."

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No Mason is the "slave" of any Master. We come to Freemasonry of our own free will and accord. The term "Worshipful Master" or "Right Worshipful Master" is intended to accord respect for the Office.

As for these extraordinary stories recounted here - I can tell you that the only strawberries and cream I have ever seen have been at Festive Board!
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No Mason is the "slave" of any Master. We come to Freemasonry of our own free will and accord. The term "Worshipful Master" or "Right Worshipful Master" is intended to accord respect for the Office.


I would not dispute that the BDSM syle rituals of obedience, humiliation andsbmission are "consensual." In the BDSM culture even a sexual submissive who refers to their Masters as a Master, or a Master who refers to a submissive as a slave revolves around language and behaviour which is all consensual roleplay.



If a Masonic cultists swears an oath to obey the will of Master who is within reach of the length of his cabletow (the BDSM equivalent of a collar and chain), this is of course a form of slavery which is consensual and this pledge of obedience is taken out of free will; further the Masonic submissive will have to actally pay for such rituals, just as a BDSM submissive may have to pay for a Master or Dominatrix in te "commercial" world of BDSM, and since Masonry is part of the multi-billion dollar cult religion business it is really a form of "commercial" homo-erotic BDSM, but I would not wish to imply that it is non-consensual.





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As for these extraordinary stories recounted here - I can tell you that the only strawberries and cream I have ever seen have been at Festive Board!


Probably most of the attempts to deny that such things occur in Masonry are based on the "argumentum ad ignorantiam (argument from ignorance)" argument, which can be stated as "I have never been to California, therefore California does not exist;" though in Masonic terms it is stated as "I have never been subjected to such hazing and sexual humiliation rituals in my local Masonic lodge franchise, so therefore such things do not occur in any Masonic franchise;" since the Masons operate a religious franchise business which is much like "McDonalds, I am aware that the hazing rituals may vary from lodge to lodge.



The allegations of such hazing rituals relate to Masonic side degrees, specifically the Shriners and the Jesters, which around a third of all American Masons are members of. Invitation to the Shriners and Jesters is open only to Masons who have gone through other Masonic degrees; it is not open to "all" Masons; therefore I am not suggesting that "all" Masons have undergone the holy and sacrd rituals of applying whipped cream, ice cream and strawberries to the genitals, or applying electric shocks to the genitals, buttocks and feet; nor would I suggest that you personally have been able to advance to such a high degree or that you are worthy of having such sacred and holy rituals revealed to you .



My understanding of the Masonic side degree system is that such holy and sacred rituals such as the Hula Hula Bull dance, where candidates are stripped, dressed up in skirts with musical bells attached to their genitals and the most holy and sacred ancient Egyptian hymn tune of "How Dry Am I (i.e., I am not drunk enough)" is played by prodding their genitals with a stick, is a most secret and holy rite whch obviously is so sacred that it is not revealed to "all" Masons; it may well be that you have either not purchased enough fake degrees to be blessed with such precious secrets, or that you have not been invited to the relevant side degrees. Nevertheless the study of Masonry is a aspect of "The Study of Religion" which needs to consider all the various forms of Masonic hazing in their numerous franchises.

Holy, holy.




By the way, since I offer to beat any price on salvation (or your money back in the afterlife) I woul like to take this opportunity to offer all Masonic cultists to be beaten and sexually humiliated at considerably discounted prices. I will not be beaten on price for Masonic hazing rituals.

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What blasphemy and hees; Iwill have you know that these Masonic homerotic BDSM rituals of abuse and sexual humiliation are most serious, sacred and holy rites which go back to antiquity and that many of these rituals only available to the very elect of Masonry who have purchased many other fake degrees.


The Sacred and Holy simulated "Golden Shower (Unrination)" and caging ritual.

Allegedly this ritual is so scared and holy that it is only available for 32nd degree and above Masons. It involves beng caged and then been unrinated on (simualtion only; they allegedly use water) with a sacred and holy "rubber penis." This is of course one of the most sacred religious rites practiced by the ancient Egyptians in their king-making ceremonies.

Don't try this type of "Golden shower" initiation with a rubber penis on your parents, schoolteachers or local clergy without getting their permission first; the rite is so sacred that you may well be subject to persecution.

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.....: after each Reunion in the Scottish rite, the Shriners would come around, recruiting the new 32nd degree masons for the Shrine...... Such was the case for me. Shortly after receiving the 32nd degree they began approaching me about joining. .......

I knew that the Shrine initiations got really rambunctious ....... The initiation was performed in the Coliseum
before a very large crowd of Shriners who came to see the fun.
One of the first done was to identify the men with health problems that might make the initiation a risk.
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We began the initiation about noon that Saturday. After the medical screening came the hazing, which was very childish. Some of it was not only childish, but downright vulgar. At one point we were placed in a large, mesh cage, and one of the Shriners climbed up on top of it. He exposed a very convincing rubber penis which was connected to a water bag concealed in his clothing and hosed down all of us in the cage to the delighted howls of the spectators.
After the hazing it was time for the serious part, the ritual, and then time to take the oath. We took the obligation, again with terrible bloody consequences if we revealed any of the "secrets" (one form of mayhem we promised to accept was to have our "eyeballs pieced to the center with a sharp, three-edged blade"). And, with the Koran on the altar, we sealed our solemn oath in the name of "Allah, the god of Arab, Moslem and Mohammedan, the god of our fathers."
I had taken so many bloody oaths already (one for each degree) that I paid little attention to this one....
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Great.

Now go and read the Kay Griggs thread in this section of the forum.
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Luciferhorus, now we know where you have been all this time.....Researching this post. Wellcome back. Oh and forget ATS, they are just not in favour of free expression when it exposes the agenda that they prefer to promote. They stopped me posting as well so Fuck them. Those who know know.
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Freemasons who simply gang up on all citics and shower them with abuse and mockery.
Surely not Luciferhorus. Protectors of the gentle craft acting in such ways - never been known

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Good to see you back LH. I have missed you.
I have not been "away" anywhere; I have just been spending more time on other forums, though I was also out of the country and off the Internet for about 5 weeks.

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Hi Luciferhorus. As you know THe Masons do not feature in my list of favourite perople if talking generally, however I have had many stimulating and interesting encounters with those who have shown willing to throw out the dogma, be human, and exercise a little sense of humour.
I don't consider myself to be an anti-Mason; rather I take more more of an Anarchist position in opposition to "all forms" of organised religion and all "Capitalist gangs."



I would consider the "big three" organised religions (Christianity, Islam and Hinduism) to be a far more prevailant memetic viruses which contribute to the manifestation of "Hell on earth" than the Masonic religion; indeed in comparison to the cultists of these three major religions, I think that Masonry is probably less likely to produce a raving religious fanatic; however Masonry does not just exist as a "religion" but also as a major Capitalist gang, just like the Yakuza, the Triads, the Crips, the Bloods or the Russian and Italian Mafia.

It is impossible to prove exactly, but I suspect that the Freemasons are "the" most economically powerful of Capitalism's organised gangs. Just as Russia is now an organised crime state, with the Mafia running almost all of the major banks and many of the major corporations, and is entwined with the police, government and military, so too it is the case in the UK with the British Mafia (the Freemasons) who are entirely entwined with ploice, the banking sector, the government and the military etc.

Capitalists tend to work more effectively if they are part of an organised Capitalist gang, and I don't think that such gangs will dissapear until Capitalism itself dissapears; if the Freemasons were not the "British Mafia" it would be some other gang running the banks and infiltrating the police and the judiciary, etc., just as it is in Russia.

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Your post has been up for a while now and I am absolutely incredulised that it has not been descended upon by the usual Mason defender crew who circle almost continuously above the forum, with razor sharp vision, just waiting to swoop down on anyone who makes even the slightest defamatory remark for which they immediately demand proof of.
The post has neen deleted from ATS, however I don't think that it is helpful or even honest to make wild claims and to offer bizarre conspiracy theories about the Masons which cannot be establshed; there is anyway sufficient evidence to establish that they are a major Capitalist gang.

For example, I think that David Icke's analysis of Freemasonry is generally quite correct, however his presentation of Arizona Wilder's "shape shifting reptilian" claims does seems to reduce his credibility.

I have personally had simiarly bizarre experiences in my past years of rather wild experimentation with shamanic psychoactives; thus if a person suffering from the effects of schizophrenia (which Wilder seems to be) claims that they saw persons transforming into reptiles, I have no problem believing them, since the human brain can produce effects like that, but it is entirely subjective (i.e., "within" the human mind); further I simply disbelieve that she saw members of the royal family devouring babies; she seems to be suffering from a "Walter Mitty" type syndrome, and this is not uncommon.

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Now me, being a well-balanced and reasonable sort of chap, and despite feeling that it would be quite super to be able to prove the incredible invents of your post, think that not even they would stoop to this kind of thing. You are having a laugh are you not? Just dangling a way oversize and over orange carrot for the what you would hope to prove to be, ranting reply's from irrational anti-masons so that you can gert them discredited.
There are numerous testimonials made by Masons and ex-Masons that these kind of "hazing rituals" and "sex parties" happen in Masonic side degrees, though most of the allegations refer to the American Masons and specifically to the Shriners, Jesters and Prince Hall Masonry. Further we have police and FBI reports that confirm some of this; further we have images from a "side degree" equipment catlogue regarding hazing equipment and we have testimonials to this equipment being used.



"Proof" beyond reasonable doubt in a court of law generally is established by A: testimonial evidence and B: empirical evidence (i.e., physical evidence) and I think that there is adequate testimonial and physical evidence to establish that bizarre hazing rituals are an aspect of "some" Masonic cult franchises, and that there is adequate testimonial evidence of drunken "sex parties" with prostitutes and strippers involving particularly Shriner and Jester Masons.



Of course there is nothing unsurprising about drunken sex parties with Capitalist males involving prostitutes and strippers; this happens all the time in Capitalism, however in order to understand what Freemasonry is, it is necessary to understand that such events do occur within Masonry and that they are "commonplace" in certain side degrees.



Most of this evidence regarding hazing rituals and sex parties I have attempted to present in the numerous pages of the thread "On Masonic Charity. The world's largest non religious charity scam. On the Shriners and Jesters, on: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread664293/pg1 which has now 245 responses, mostly from American Masons and from myself; it began with the charity scam accusations and descended into the "hazing rituals" accusations.



I should point out that I consider the modern sexual revolution to be "progressive" and important for the de-christianisation of society, however I find the use of strippers, prostitutes, trafficked sex slaves (which has been established by the FBI) and child prostitutes at Masonic events to be rather tacky and exploitative; it is not really an aspect of the modern sexual revolution and erotic freedom which I find to be progressive.

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Not this kiddy because my perception extends way beyond what you consider to be the norm. I do understand that this is an entrapment web-site and I am playing it for what it is.
I don't consider the David Icke discussion group to be in any way an "entrapment" web-site; the Freemasons here are accorded the freedom to defend their cult / gang against various accusations, and that is the way a free debate / discusion should be run.

Of course we know for a fact that the Anglo-American state terrorists have "professional" Internet activists and propagandists, however it is unlikely that they would ever "out" themselves, and they are likely to be in the minority.

The moderators of the secret societies forum on ATS appear to be "exclusively" either Freemasons or Masonic apologists; I have yet to find an ATS moderator who is critical of Masonry, and I think the intent is to "attract" those who are critical of Masonry and to gang up on them and attempt to discredit their allegations; but I understand that and I just run with it. Similarly it seems to me that the purpose of the ATS "911" subforum is to discredit those who consider 911 to be just another US military black operation.

Essentially I think that the general ethos (idea) behind ATS is to "discredit" the various bizzare conspiracy theories that exist, and this is not necessarily a bad thing, since a "conspiracy theory" religion is developing, but it is quite another matter to defend the propaganda of the US state terrorists / imperialists.

Futher I believe that "UFO conspiracy theory-ism" is "promoted" by the US military propagandists to disguise their advanced aricraft research projects, so when it comes to "UFO" conspracy theories, the ATS position seem to be more open to this.

Frankly my investigations of the ATS site owner "Bill Irvine (aka SkepticOverlord)" have revealed very little other than that he runs the site and a number of other sites as commercial businesses; thus I am reluctant to suggest that ATS is a US military psy-ops site, since there is no hard evidence of this, however it certainly "seems" that way to me.

Personally I think that it is indicative of a ratinal, critical, questioning "free mind" to have a skeptical attitude to "all" conspiracy theories and having initial "doubt" and attempting to question and falsify them; this would be the standard attidue of all historians in the academic world to the variety of bizzare conspiracy theories; however prior to the arrival of the WWW and the modern mass phenomena of the "conspiracy theory" movement and the "911 truth movement," those who were skeptical of US propaganda and who attempted to portray the US state terrorists "as" genocidal terrorists, assassins, narco-terrorists and imperialists were the political left in general, though the "conspiracy theory" movement is now a rag tag army of Christians and of the anti-Communist political right.

I think that there is a difference between remaining skeptical and critical of Anglo-American state terrorist propaganda and of promoting such propaganda and in general I consider ATS to be a site which attracts "conspiracy theorists" and "911 truthers" but which essentially seems to lean heavily towards the support of US miltiary propaganda; this is an accusation which I would not make in regards to the Alex Jones and David Icke discussion boards by the way.

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I love the Masons, I love the Royals, I love David Icke and I love David Cameron, Baruck Obahma and I also love Jahbulon.


I don't find this "love thy enemy" position to accord with human nature. The Masons I know in real life, from having grown up in Scotland with a Masonic father are all quite decent people and I have no "personal" issues with them; I am quite sure that members of "all" organised Capitalist gangs love their friends, family and children; that is not the point; it seems to me that the Masons are an organised gang of Capitalists, loan sharks and assorted state terrorist collaborators with around 50 or so military lodges in the UK, lodges for the police, judiciary and banking community; they are essentially part of the Capitalist establishment and of the "International Dictatorship of Capitalism" in general, and thus my opposition to them is simply ideological / political and moral.

Certainly there are at least two Masonic individuals on this site who have more progressive libertarian / Anarchist / Socialist worldviews, however the exceptions do not make the rule and in general the Masons tend to be Capitalists and conservatives and part of the "problem" rather than the part of the "solution" to the economic and political hell on earth that has been created by the Capitalist system.

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So Mr Luciferhorus of Glastonbury, Fuck off back to ATS eeeerrhhh no, sorry, did not mean that honest. Nice to have you back dude.

P.S. All that work for nothing. You must be gutted.
ATS is only one of 100's of groups I am subscribed to. With regards to "All that work for nothing" I think that the Masons on ATS generally do not understand my debating strategy and my "entrapment strategy."



For example on the thread "On Masonic Charity. The world's largest non religious charity scam. On the Shriners and Jesters, on: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread664293/pg1 many of the 245 posts are responses from myself, and I almost never issue brief one-liner responses; many are extended essays full of lengthy external quotations and images which have numerous embedded keywords; the 1000's of keywords on that thread alone relating to Freemasonry have placed it on the front page of Google searches for various subjects, and the cacophony of denialism, abuse and temper tantrums expressed by the Masons there are all to my advantage; indeed by my contrfontational attitude I effectively seek to encourage such childish behaviour and denialistic responses, though of course I do not respond in such a way myself.

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Great.

Now go and read the Kay Griggs thread in this section of the forum.
I think that Kay's testimony contributes to an understanding of the evils of US state terrorism & imperialism, though I am not sure how that relates specfically to Masonry, though most Masons appear to be Anglo-American state terrorist, narco-terrorist collaborators. A brief Google search for "CIA drugs," "CIA assassinations," "CIA terrorism" and numerous other keywords related to the US military will both add to and confirm much of Kay's analysis; I think that the large numbers of US military & CIA operatives who have come "out" and exposed the corruption and genocidal evil of the US military establishment is a testimony to the bravery of many Americans; unfotunately on this side of the Atlantic we have few such individuals, possibly because of the "Official Secrets Act" where such individuals tend to go the way of David Shayler, which is to be prosecuted for revealing the activities of the British state terrorists, the financing of AL Queda, their infiltration of the mass media, political parties, etc.

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I find it quite distasteful that you claim this is fact for freemasonary when it clearly is nothing to do with Freemasons, but an organisation that is found, as far as I know, predominantly in USA called Shriners. A quick search will tell you that that is a fraternity that were started by some masons who wanted more fun and games, and yes they are only open to master masons and people from one of the side orders, but that not make it all masons.

I find in general in this, and most other forums, that the so called experts on all that's wrong with masonary have no idea how to differentiate between the different rites, side orders and affiliated bodies.

Scottish rite, York rite, Nordic/Swedish rite, Shriners, Jesters, GLofAE, UGLE, etc, etc
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I find it quite distasteful that you claim this is fact for freemasonary when it clearly is nothing to do with Freemasons,
Shriner Masonry is a "Masonic Side Degree" which only admits Freemasons, and the "Jesters" is a side degree of the Shriners, which only admits Shriner Freemasons. Since there are approximatly 400,000 Shriners in the US and approximately 1.5 million US Masons, then somewhere between 25% to 30% of all American Freemmasons are Shriners.



The OP examples refer only to the Shriners, Jesters, Prince Hall Masonry and to American York rite Masonry (specifically to the shooting Southside Masonic Lodge No. 493, "in a basement littered with rat traps, tin cans, a 9-foot-tall guillotine, and a setup designed to mimic walking a plank).

If you are going to argue that "it clearly is nothing to do with Freemasons," which is clearly a totally dishonest and deceptive statement, you would need to offer evidence that no Freemasons belong to the Masonic side degreees of the Shriners or Jesters or to the Masonic cult franchises called Prince Hall Masonry or "York Rite" Masonry; the latter of which is a cult whose cult leader appears to be HRH the Duke of Kent, though the American York rite seems to have it's own heirarchy and a degree of autonomy, but is considered to be "regular" and it's franchise approved of by the English York rite .

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but an organisation that is found, as far as I know, predominantly in USA called Shriners. A quick search will tell you that that is a fraternity that were started by some masons who wanted more fun and games, and yes they are only open to master masons and people from one of the side orders, but that not make it all masons.
I have not in any way suggested that "all Masons" are Shriners or Jesters or Prince Hall Masons or even members of the York Rite; on the contrary; there are other forms of Masonry including the competing "irregular" rites (such as the O.T.O) whose initiations are not approved of by most Masons; as far as I am aware the O.T.O. for example do not have hazing rituals where members are subjected to electrocution and humiliation

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I find in general in this, and most other forums, that the so called experts on all that's wrong with masonary have no idea how to differentiate between the different rites, side orders and affiliated bodies.

Scottish rite, York rite, Nordic/Swedish rite, Shriners, Jesters, GLofAE, UGLE, etc, etc


I am well aware that Freemasonry is part of the multi-billion dollar religion business and that there are numerous Masonic sects (sections) and franchises which are licenced to sell the fake Masonic degrees and titles, and that not all Masons are considered to be worthy enough to receive the ancient and holy initiation rite of having whipped cream, ice cream and strawberries applied to their genitals, and of having electric shocks applies to their feet, genitals and buttocks, or to receive the ancient holy and sacred Hula, Hula Bull dance initiation; nor have I suggested that you personally have been considered worthy to have such ancient and holy sacred rituals revealed to you.

Holy, Holy.

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very funny....Lucy, old boy. Complete and utter tosh of course - but funny.
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very funny....Lucy, old boy. Complete and utter tosh of course - but funny.
Contadiction and abuse are poor substitutes for offering argument and evidence, and are usually the cries of the desparate in debate. "I don't agree with that is not an argument, an argument would state why you do not agree, or in the case of disputing evidence, would refute such evidence.


Considering that many anti-Masons accuse the Masons of human sacrifice cultism, baby-eating, transforming into reptiles, Satanism and numerous other bizarre claims for which there is simply no evidence, I would suggest that the allegations for which there is ample evidence, such as the bizarre hazing rituals and sex parties with prostitutes and strippers, are really rather tame allegations and frankly quite humorous; however when the Freemason denies that such things go on, when there is ample evidence that they do, then they simply lose credibility.

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We had to walk with other candidates over the "burning sands" of the desert (everything
in the Shrine is couched in Arabic imagery). Barefoot, we walked over what we later
learned was a carpet with electric wires in it designed to slightly burn our feet, without
causing any damage to them. .....

Another "high point" consisted of having to get down on all fours (still blindfolded) and
try to suck on a hot dog which was dangling somewhere in the general vicinity of my
face. As I was attempting to do this, I was being poked in my rear with what felt like a
pretty serious hat-pin. Additionally, I was led to believe I was being urinated on by a dog
in the face.


That "some" Masons, specifically American Masons, are stripped, blindfolded, have to get down on all fours, simulate having oral sex with a hot dog, are poked in the posterior with a sharp object and are led to believe that a dog is urinating on them, I find to be hilarious.



Hazing rituals appear to be different and vary according to the Masonic cult franchise, and I am not in any way suggesting that you personally have been considered worthy for the sacred and holy simulated "oral sex" and "dog pissing" riual, but at least admitting that such bizarre rituals do occur, would I think help to dispel some of the more serious allegations of baby eating or human sacrifice cultism and allow Masonry to be viewed as a cult of silly old men who like engage in homo-erotic hazing rituals and have sex with prostitutes; none of which is illegal of course.



Personally I think that the secrecy surrounding Masonic rituals and functons is not because they are diabolically evil, but rather because they are just silly, humiliating and embarassing, and probably most Masons don't want their wives to know that they attend functions full of strippers and prostitutes, but I think that honesty is the best policy; it is the 21st century after all and there is not the same stigma that there once was attached to homo-erotic BDSM or having whipped cream and strawberries applied to one's genitals or having an electrocution or ritual torture fetish, etc., it is as least not as bad as being accused of being human sacrifice cultists or shape shifting reptiles who eat babies.

Personally I have not gorged on Christian flesh and blood or eaten babies for several days now, and I feel so much better; I am beginning to think that it might not be a holy sacrament after all, and Christian flesh tends to be rather chewy and gristly; perhaps the Christians should be cook first rather than eaten raw. Could the Masons gve me any advice on this? Do you prefer your Christians cooked or raw?

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These forums wouldn't be the same without our Lux
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O.k. Lucy, lets try a different tac. I'm really buzzin tonight . Fancy a shag?
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I find it quite distasteful that you claim this is fact for freemasonary when it clearly is nothing to do with Freemasons, but an organisation that is found, as far as I know, predominantly in USA called Shriners. A quick search will tell you that that is a fraternity that were started by some masons who wanted more fun and games, and yes they are only open to master masons and people from one of the side orders, but that not make it all masons.

I find in general in this, and most other forums, that the so called experts on all that's wrong with masonary have no idea how to differentiate between the different rites, side orders and affiliated bodies.

Scottish rite, York rite, Nordic/Swedish rite, Shriners, Jesters, GLofAE, UGLE, etc, etc
I agree with you Baxterdream. It is just a shame that you were a little too slow off the mark to be convincing
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O.k. Lucy, lets try a different tac. I'm really buzzin tonight . Fancy a shag?
Unfortunately my current witch of a girlfriend is rather possessive and only lets me deflower priests (prior to devouring them of course) or Christian virgins.



I should point out that I have decided to add to my "I will beat any price on salvation, or double your money back in the afterlife" offer, and I am now offering BDSM style Masonic hazing and humiliation rituals at lower prices than Masonic Lodge membership and fake degree prices.

Why pay more to be stripped, blindfolded, branded, chained (with a cabletow, caged) electrocuted, beaten and humiliated, when I am offering much more severe beatings, electrocutions at low, low prices?



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Salvation at low, low prices. I will not be beaten on price for salvation, 72 virgins in the afterlfe (I offe 144) or Masonic humiliation, beatings and hazing rituals.

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Lux,

I note that no members of this forum were able to actually disprove your very concrete arguments.

Enlighten_Me and Agneau simply dismissed your work as amusing, while presenting no evidence to dispute it. Baxterdream tried to down-play the undeniable connection between Shriners and Freemasons, and was promptly refuted.

The case you've presented here is a strong one. Perhaps are resident Masonic spokesman "Enlighten_Me" should actually read and consider your arguments, not simply post baseless, condescending posts. But, who can blame him? His brothers are behaving in a similarly childish manner, and it's only proper that they all dance to the same tune.

Keep it up and don't be disheartened. Every baseless criticism ("complete tosh but funny.. please ignore my inability to submit anything of substance to the discussion") is a sign you're on the right track. If what you were saying was provably wrong, they would have disputed your very clear arguments by now.

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I believe the Roman Catholic church started Masonry originally
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I believe the Roman Catholic church started Masonry originally
I would agree. From David Icke's And The Truth Shall Set You Free..., we read:

It is said that Freemasonry was once a society that was exclusive to those who worked as stonemasons and builders on the churches and cathedrals. It was then called Masonry. Their lodges were like trade organizations some historians claim, and their secrecy and rituals were designed to protect their profession from unskilled outsiders. Most of the Masons’ work came from the Catholic Church, ruled from Rome. The immense wealth of the Church, most of it stolen directly or indirectly, paid for the construction of the great cathedrals on which the masons’ income largely depended.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bi...ruthfree09.htm

It is also a concrete fact that Freemasonry is a revival of the Knights Templar. The Knights Templar were a military order of the Vatican, and used as the Vatican's soldiers during the crusades.

"It is curious to note too that most of the bodies which work these, such as the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite, the Rite of Avignon, the Order of the Temple, Fesslor’s Rite, the ‘Grand Council of the Emperors of the East and West Sovereign Prince Masons’, etc., etc., are nearly all the offspring of the sons of Ignatius Loyola. The Baron Hundt, Chevalier Ramsey, Tschoudy, Zinnendorf, and numerous others, who founded the grades in these rites, worked under instructions from the General of the Jesuits. The nest where these high degrees were hatched, and no Masonic rite is free from their baleful influence more or less, was the Jesuit College of Clermont at Paris."
-Isis Unveiled, Helena Petrovna Blavatsky

“Chevalier de Bonneville [like the Bonneville automobile
manufactured by Chevrolet/General Motors] formed a chapter of
twenty-five Degrees of the so-called High-Degrees in the College of
Jesuits of Clermont, in Paris in 1754. The adherents of the House of
Stuart had made the college of Clermont their asylum, they being
mostly Scotchmen. One of these Degrees being the “Scottish Master,”
the new body organized in Charleston, S.C., in 1801, gave the name of
Scottish Rite to these Degrees, which name ever since that time has
characterized the Rite all over the world.”

-Masonic Quiz Book “Ask Me Another, Brother,”, William O. Petersen (32nd Degree Freemason)

The idea that the Jesuit Order created Freemasonry as a front is consistent with the similarities between the two. Both have similar degrees/rituals:

"There is considerable analogy between Masonic and Jesuitic degrees; and the Jesuits also tread down the shoe and bare the knee, because Ignatius Loyola thus presented himself at Rome and asked for the confirmation of the order."
-Secret Societies of all Ages and Countries, Heckethorn (English Historian)

“The higher I went in the Jesuit Order, the more corruption I saw within the institution. I was invited to attend a secret black mass by high-ranking Jesuits [including Superior General Pedro Arrupe] in a monastery in the northern part of Spain. When I knelt to kiss the ring of a high official, I saw a symbol on that ring that made my blood run cold. It was a Masonic symbol!"
-Alberto, Alberto Rivera (Former Jesuit Priest)

There are persistent rumors that the Jesuit General controls Freemasonry. James Parton, an American historian, writes in The Life of Horace Greeley:

“There are still old ladies, male and female, about the country, who will tell
you, with grim gravity that, if you trace up Masonry, through all its Orders,
till you come to the grand tip-top, head Mason of the World, you will
discover that the dread individual and the Chief of the Society of Jesus are
one and the same person!”


The Jesuits have used Freemasonry many times. It is one of their most powerful tentacles.
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