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Old 14-04-2011, 10:25 PM   #1
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I have been having deja vu's where I am convinced that I have dreamt it before. I hardly get a deja vu but when I do they are really strong. I will be left trying to hold the thought and trying to make sense of it and why it came to me at that moment. I get like a flash and that deja vu feeling that the moment I am experiencing now has been experienced before, only sometimes the moment seems to last longer than usual.

I used to think deja vu was a random phenomena that couldn't be explained so I am really interested in finding out more about how deja vu works. I mention it to people I know and they brush it off as a trick of the mind but the ones that I experience can be really intense.

Maybe it is a trick of the mind but sometimes I really do feel like it has been experienced or dreamt of before.

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Old 14-04-2011, 10:35 PM   #2
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Sounds a lot like preminitions like Nostradamus is supposed to of had, could that be it? Or could it be ripples in time. Do you experience or see any static ball like flashes.
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Old 14-04-2011, 11:51 PM   #3
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I know what you mean. Once a dv hits, it sort of feels like you are for a spilt second more "aware" and know what is going to happen...though the most fun is when they actually happen
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With most of my déjà vu moments…I sense that I’ve lived the scene before but I don’t usually think of it as a dream occurrence even though the mind does feel woozy and dream like at the time of the déjà vu.

Although there was one time when I had an odd dream after I’d fallen asleep on a couch one afternoon…In the dream I lived the scene as it was happening at the time…with me laying on the couch and I could see my daughter sitting in the dining room / kitchen area with school work spread across the table however I heard a male voice in the dream utter “she’s rude”.

I awoke and there was only myself, my daughter and the two dogs in the house so I was a little disorientated / rattled by the male voice in the dream.

The very next day…I’m basically repeating the day with the daughter working at the table with her homework and I nod off on the couch…But this time I’m awoken by the male voice saying "she’s rude" and then I see my husband with the two dogs and he’s talking about my daughter who’s just shown him a certain hand gesture in response to something that he’d said.
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With most of my déjà vu moments…I sense that I’ve lived the scene before but I don’t usually think of it as a dream occurrence even though the mind does feel woozy and dream like at the time of the déjà vu.

Although there was one time when I had an odd dream after I’d fallen asleep on a couch one afternoon…In the dream I lived the scene as it was happening at the time…with me laying on the couch and I could see my daughter sitting in the dining room / kitchen area with school work spread across the table however I heard a male voice in the dream utter “she’s rude”.

I awoke and there was only myself, my daughter and the two dogs in the house so I was a little disorientated / rattled by the male voice in the dream.

The very next day…I’m basically repeating the day with the daughter working at the table with her homework and I nod off on the couch…But this time I’m awoken by the male voice saying "she’s rude" and then I see my husband with the two dogs and he’s talking about my daughter who’s just shown him a certain hand gesture in response to something that he’d said.
That's what I mean! You had the dream where you heard the male voice and then when you had the real life experience you remembered the dream so it wasn't a feeling that you had lived it before, you actually knew you had dreamt the scenario before.

Sometimes I try to act fast when I have a deja vu moment and I try to force myself to analyse the memory a bit more to see if I can remember more details but I always fail with that.

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Old 15-04-2011, 04:18 AM   #6
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Some dreams, I have had over my life around 4 or more times.

You wake up and think, I have had that dream before.
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That's what I mean! You had the dream where you heard the male voice and then when you had the real life experience you remembered the dream so it wasn't a feeling that you had lived it before, you actually knew you had dreamt the scenario before.

Sometimes I try to act fast when I have a deja vu moment and I try to force myself to analyse the memory a bit more to see if I can remember more details but I always fail with that.
Aye! It’s like a premonition of sorts.

But I felt as though I'd actually lived the moment twice…While asleep and then awake.

Very mind numbing.

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Old 15-04-2011, 05:21 PM   #8
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I'm not so sure deja vu is the same as a premonition, though I would say a premonition is similar to telepathy.

Premonitions can happen in dreams or while awake, and tend to happen within a short period of time from the initial vision. I'm not going to speculate what causes them, but I have had them in the form of a deja vu like experience (where things happened exactly as dreamt) and in a warning like form (where I made a decision to avert the premised outcome).

I would pay close attention to them, however that typically means via hindsight.
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Old 16-04-2011, 03:37 AM   #9
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Yes!

Not a premonition exactly…probably the wrong word to suggest but when the déjà vu feeling comes on there’s a sense or a very strong feeling that the day has been experienced before and that something extra-ordinary is going to happen like a premonition of an unknown event however nothing usually does occur…Except that the days events do feel very familiar and lived before and its usually spent trying to recall what may or may not happen next.

Regarding my 30.04.02 dream explained earlier with the male voice and then re-living that moment from the dream the following day.

As bizarre as this may appear…It’s almost like I’d orb’d into my future body for a split moment in time.

I’m now toying with the idea that déjà vu could be linked with the OoBE…So while having a déjà vu feeling, it could be the conscious person is sensing their own wandering dream-self (spirit or whatever) that’s travelled from a past dream / unconscious self.

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I’m now toying with the idea that déjà vu could be linked with the OoBE…So while having a déjà vu feeling, it could be the conscious person is sensing their own wandering dream-self (spirit or whatever) that’s travelled from a past dream / unconscious self.
I've recently pondered this as well.
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I have been having deja vu's where I am convinced that I have dreamt it before. I hardly get a deja vu but when I do they are really strong. I will be left trying to hold the thought and trying to make sense of it and why it came to me at that moment. I get like a flash and that deja vu feeling that the moment I am experiencing now has been experienced before, only sometimes the moment seems to last longer than usual.

I used to think deja vu was a random phenomena that couldn't be explained so I am really interested in finding out more about how deja vu works. I mention it to people I know and they brush it off as a trick of the mind but the ones that I experience can be really intense.

Maybe it is a trick of the mind but sometimes I really do feel like it has been experienced or dreamt of before.
WOW......

Let me quickly explain my situation.

As a youngster I suffered from terrible nightmares that would leave me waking up breathless.....I almost feared going to sleep. Then one dream must have become Lucid because I realised I didnt want this situation and I woke myself up.

From that point on If ever I had a bad dream I realised that it was such and I simply woke myself up.......I think in this it gave me some sort of lucidity that I have enlarged upon over time.

My dreams are very complex....I can go to a place and years later go there again and the place is still the same. The best example I can give is when I was younger I had a dream where I was walking through a sea side town with lots of red buses. I remember being drawn to look up into a window and I saw a man watching me as I walked past.

A few years ago I had a dream that I was in a house that seemed strangely familiar. I knew the room layouts and everything and went upstairs and looked out of the window. I watched myself walk up the street.....look up at myself and then carry on!!!!!!!!!

I made the connection between Deja-Vu and dreams when I was at work. Me and my two work colleagues were driving through town and we stopped at some lights......I got Deja-Vu and did what I usually do of desperatly trying to work out WTF was going on....then I realised I had dreamed this situation before.

The guys at work know Im into conspiracy and we do the general banter/mickey taking of each other and I told them I had been here before and done this. I told them that a woman was going to walk around the corner pushing a pushchair and I described her. Much to there surprise (and mine) the woman I described came round the corner.

So yeah.....I said WOW because your the first person I have ever come across who has the same thoughts about Deja-vu and dreams being linked. In my honest experience I can tell you that I think you are correct

Thanks for posting.......means Ive not completly lost the plot (yet lol)
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I have been having deja vu's where I am convinced that I have dreamt it before. I hardly get a deja vu but when I do they are really strong. I will be left trying to hold the thought and trying to make sense of it and why it came to me at that moment. I get like a flash and that deja vu feeling that the moment I am experiencing now has been experienced before, only sometimes the moment seems to last longer than usual.

I used to think deja vu was a random phenomena that couldn't be explained so I am really interested in finding out more about how deja vu works. I mention it to people I know and they brush it off as a trick of the mind but the ones that I experience can be really intense.

Maybe it is a trick of the mind but sometimes I really do feel like it has been experienced or dreamt of before.
I have dreamed into the future before many times. About twice a year on average I guess. The most notable was about my hubby. I dreamed we were on our boat and he came up from the cabin and he had a cigarette in his mouth and took a puff then walked towards me. I laughingly told him the next day he was going to start smoking again because I had seen it. He said no wasn't going to start again.
Then a few months later sure enough we were on the boat, I was on a floaty in the lake and asked him if he would get me a smoke. The back door of the boat was open and I saw him just like in the dream, but then after he had it he handed it to me.
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DEJA VU
Here and Now, There and Then.

The experience of Deja Vu in clinical and spiritual terms.
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Deja Vu refers to those odd and usually rare moments when the present feels like the past. Its a hard experience to interpret. Some people search their memories for dreams that might have been like the present. Others think that the experience is what happens when things from past lives emerge in this one. Both notions are impossible to prove, disprove, or (until recently), investigate. The belief that its about past lives is a matter of faith. The idea that it has to do with dreams is less a matter of faith - only a few people claim to recall past lives, but almost everybody remembers some of their dreams. Some recall a lot of them. The theory of reincarnation that is most consistent with modern brain science (Algorithmic Reincarnation) predicts that no memories are passed from one life to the next. What is transferred is a set of signals that reflect states of consciousness. Memories don't need to go along.

Memories are state-specific. We can have experiences in one state of consciousness (like when we are drunk, for example) that we cannot remember at all when we are in another. States of consciousness provide a much more direct way for someone to select how they will behave than remembering past behaviors and comparing them to present possibilities.

There is a fly in the ointment with dreams as well. Both dreams and deja vu experiences happen in non-normal states of consciousness. Most altered states are are a fertile ground for confabulations. This means that in the moment when someone is experiencing deja vu, its easier for them to create a false memory than it would be normally. In fact, during moments of deja vu , one's consciousness has unusually direct access to long-term memories, and the brain processes that allow us to retrieve them.

I'm not going to write it here that deja vu doesn't come from past lives or dreams, and that that's just how it is. But we want to understand what deja vu is, and how we can respond to it when it happens. If we explain it in terms of past lives and dreams, we are giving ourselves explanations that can't be proven. Or proved to be false. It will boil down to a matter of faith.

There are some people who experience precognitive dreams, but most episodes of deja vu happen without the person having any sense of it relating to a dream. Precognitive dreams are a different matter altogether. Having the present moment feel like a repeat of something from the past is not the same as having the present validate a previous precognition. I have spoken to some professional psychics about this, and one of them said that he could tell the two apart, but that it took him some time to learn the difference. I asked him what the difference was, and he said that it was an 'energy.' That's not really enough to help understand what the difference was, but enough for us to know that there might be one.


How does deja vu happen?


The scientific explanation is that it has to do with memory processes. I'll make it as simple as I can here. The basic idea is that there are portions of the brain that are specialized for the past, the present and the future. In general, the frontal lobes are concerned with the future, the temporal lobes are concerned with the past, and the underlying, intermediate portions (the limbic system) are concerned with the present. When these are all doing their normal thing, in normal states of consciousness, the feeling that 'something is going to happen will only come up when we are thinking about the future, worrying about it, anticipating it or making plans for it. The sense of the past will only come up when our memories have been triggered in some way.

The structure that overwhelms our consciousness when we are 'in the present are 'being here now' is the amygdala. It assigns an emotional 'tone' to our perceptions. When you step into the street and see a car speeding towards you, and you instantly freeze in terror and jump out of the way, that terror is the amygdala at work. Present. Here and now. The amygdala also recognizes expressions the expressions on people's faces. When we are talking to someone, we can recognize their expressions and change the way we are talking to them just as quickly as we recognize danger. Words can often seem dangerous to the one hearing them. "we're thinking of letting you go." "I've been thinking that our relationship is holding me back." "You are under arrest."

Phrases like these need instant, appropriate responses, and the amygdala is specialized to provide them. For example, one function it participates in, the maintenance of the sense of self, is repeated 40 times per second. Each instance of the self is able to manifest a new emotional response, but only if circumstances have changed. Every 25 milliseconds. In fact, the duration of the 'present' in neurological terms is so brief that we don't experience it so much as remember it.

The next level could be called 'being around here-just about now.'


Short term-memory deals in periods of a few minutes. Its mostly based in the hippocampus. We know this because problems with the hippocampus. often lead to severe short-term memory problems. It helps us to stay oriented in time. There have been a few people who have lost all hippocampal functions, and they are unable to remember anything that happened after their brain problems began. Humans are a linguistic species, and an intensely social one. We relate to each other through words. We have conversations. In order to do this, we have to be able to remember what people say to us. We also have to be to think about it long enough to be able to respond to it. We have to remember what we have just finished doing in order not to have to do it again.

There is a joke I heard while working in a nursing home: Happiness is finding your glasses before you forget what you need them for.


Then there is long-term memory. Its 'seated' in the surface of the brain, along the bottom of the temporal lobes. The area has been called the parahippocampal cortex, and its very closely connected to the hippocampus.

Ordinarily, there is a fairly seamless integration of the past, present and the future. In simple terms, we experience something in the present, compare it to similar experiences in the past, and decide how we will respond. The time frame can be very brief; even a few seconds. Once in a while, though, there can be too much communication between short-term and long-term memories. When this happens, then the present can feel like the past.

If perceptions from the present are shunted through the parts of the brain that process memories from the past, those perceptions will feel like they are memories, and the person will feel that they are re-living a moment stored in long-term memory.

There is another experience worth mentioning; Jamais Vu. Its the opposite of deja vu. Instead of feeling extra familiar, thing seem totally unfamiliar. In this case there is too little connection between long-term memory and perceptions from the present. When a person is in this state, nothing they experience seems to have anything to do with the past. They might be talking to a person they know well and suddenly they person seems totally unfamiliar. Their sense of knowing the person, and knowing how to relate to them simply vanishes. A room in which they spend a lot of time suddenly becomes totally novel; everything seems new. Details they will have seen a thousand times suddenly become engaging.

Jamais Vu is not so common as deja vu, but it can be just as compelling.

How do I respond to Deja Vu?

That depends on whether you enjoy it or not. Some people are just terrified when it happens. Others find it mildly euphoric.

As with all other altered state experiences, most people who enjoy it think of the experience in spiritual terms, and those who don't, think about it in psychological terms. I have talked to people who had it often, and found the experience to be terrifying. There is nothing frightening about deja vu in itself, but it can happen that activity from the hippocampus. can spill over into the neighboring structure, the amygdala, which is a highly emotional structure. If it gets into the one on the right, the emotion is going to be unpleasant, most likely fearful.

If you have deja vu appear with fear, you might want to get some help, depending on how strong the feeling is. One of the best places to start is with an epileptologist, especially if you think you might be going crazy. Why not start with a psychologist? Because Deja vu is highly symptomatic of temporal lobe epilepsy (TLE), and its misdiagnosed more often than not, usually as schizophrenia, but also as bipolar disorder, and several others..


On reason for the frequent bad calls psychologists make is that TLE isn't listed in the DSM-IV, the Diagnostic and Stastitical Manual of Psychological Disorders. This is the standard guide to diagnosing psychiatric illness. Because it isn't listed, its pathology isn't covered, and psychologists miss the mark when dealing with it. TLE also has a much wider range of possible symptoms than other disorders. While most seizures of this type (called complex partial seizures) begin in the amygdala, they spread into other structures, and there are quite a number of them. One nearby structure will introduce smells into the experiences, and leave someone a heightened sense of smell. Another will create distortions in spatial perception. Another can leave some one with overactive sweat glands. Another can leave someone wanting to talk or write all the time. Another can make a person prone to brief, intense bursts of anger. Another can make a person's sexuality change. The list goes on. There are also a variety of personality changes that can happen, as well. Proper diagnosis is going to be a problem, with so many possible combinations.

When deja vu feels good, a person will respond differently. There's no need for a diagnosis, even if it is a positive-emotional TLE. In that case, it really can't be called a disorder, but people still feel that it somehow calls for a response, and it will 'feel' like a spiritual one will be most appropriate.

For deja vu that feels spiritual, I suggest meditation. The kind that emphasizes being present in the here and now. Deja vu is an alteration in the perception of the present moment. The two best known ones are Zen and vipassana, both Buddhist practices. I'm not saying that people who have deja vu a lot should become Buddhists, only that these two Buddhist practices are well suited for those with frequent deja vu experiences. There are times I've thought that Jesus might have been close to these practices when he said to 'be still and know". The more often Deja vu happens, the more likely a person will be able to stop their ongoing mental processes, and just be in the present. Deja vu is an experience that won't go into words very well. When its happening, a person can still speak, but the phenomena that will demand their attention is that sense of the past.

Most commonly, a person having deja vu will give their attention to the feeling that 'this is the past!' If some one wants to use the experience to enhance their spirituality, they are three things they can try.

1) When deja vu happens, they should pay attention to what is happening in the present. They can pay attention to their senses, and look at the 'sense' that perceives that sense of familiarity. If they can get a clear perception of that 'sense', they can look there at any time afterwards. Especially while practicing meditation. This practice, for those who have deja vu often enough to take advantage of it, can chop months off the time it takes to get into meditation deeply.

2) The person should try to disconnect from the sense of the past and try to see the present through that same sense.

During meditation, the person should pretend that deja vu is happening right then. With practice, the familiar sensations should appear, and then they can stop paying attention to the 'past' and go into being 'present'. When this happens, their meditation practice should acquire something new.


And Deja Vu, with time, can become a friend.
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Ive had this too and its random and sometimes years before it reoccurs.

Its very hard to decribe the feeling associated when this happens. My best attempt is; for a micro second the world around takes a step back and a feeling or knowledge comes forth of remembering the situation your in. Theres also a quick idea that enters your head - ...a dream i had...

Ive noticed that when this occurs you feel off balance without feeling dizzy.

These events for me often happen in trivial apsects of my life and not ever in anything major.

The last one i had was last year. I got to work early and found that the lights wouldnt turn on. So off i travelled to the mains box and found several tripped switches. At this point I got the Deja Vu effect. In my mind, "wow! I knew i would be stood here dealing with this, i remember this before it happened. " (I also got a split second view of watching this event from another me stood very close to me?!?!?!)

I then got a very brief link to a dream two or three nights before and then it all went blank Back to normal wondering WTF just happened.

Switches back on, another day at work
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I had another strange experience today.

I was sat on my bed looking out the window at the windy weather whilst stroking my cat and I thought to myself "I've experienced this exact scenario once before" and then a few seconds later I thought "oh my god, I thought that exact thing when I experienced this last time!"

After thinking about it and reassessing the situation it seemed to be as though I was living through a future event that I already knew was going to happen but I didn't know that until I lived it and remembered dreaming it at an earlier date. It was a freaky experience.

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[QUOTE=nimlyn;1059838301] I beleive your on the right track about OBE's.
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