Sceptic about chemtrails, then check this

[unionjack1967]

Recently, ive been "looking up" and becoming more aware of the events happening above our heads on a daily basis. I must admit, i have taken the subject of chemtrails with a pinch of salt, but nothing could prepare me for the sight which greeted me a couple of evenings ago, a sight which has got me thinking about the whole subject in a much different light.
Being a bit of an aircraft buff, i know enough about contrails to know one when i see one, but seeing these pictures, i can say that these are no contrails, quite what they are i am uncertain, but they are definately not contrails, not in this configuration!









(taken with iphone @ approx 1800hrs, 8th apr 2011, location - 8 miles south of Birmingham UK

There were 5 of these very odd trails but due to the phones limitations i could only get 4 in the shot.
Answers on a postcard please !!

:UJ:

[tescos organic]

well they can't be 'chemtrails', they're classic 'tadpoles'.
why are you so certain they're not normal contrails? you know how contrails are formed, yes?
did you see the planes leave the trails, or just the trails afterwards?
the trails all seem a similar size, so it's reasonable to deduce they were left at the same time. why not 5 military jets in formation?

[razorbill]

Hi Unionjack, and welcome to the forum!

Very well observed, thanks for posting your photos.

Very strange pattern threre and no planes to be seen, do you know that they sometimes use cloaked planes?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crN72...embedded#at=60

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crN72...embedded#at=60


Re. this forum:

There are lots of people on here simply to discredit what genuine observers report, they will try to get you into endless discussions and make you feel insecure about what you have seen.
Please don't let them succceed, take form here what is useful and then go out and tell the people around you what is going on.

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthrea...post1059826092

And please, don't feed the trolls!
(You'll soon figure out who they are, just ignore them)

[unionjack1967]

Originally Posted by tescos organic

well they can't be 'chemtrails', they're classic 'tadpoles'.
why are you so certain they're not normal contrails? you know how contrails are formed, yes?
did you see the planes leave the trails, or just the trails afterwards?
the trails all seem a similar size, so it's reasonable to deduce they were left at the same time. why not 5 military jets in formation?

Thanks for the replies guys. Classic tadpoles, the term 'classic' gives me an image of a very regular occurance. Im my entire life i have never seen such patterns as this, and at 43, this is quite some time!! I frequent many airshows and live under an approach to BHX and have never seen this type of trail before.


@razorbill, thanks for the welcome, and as for internet trolls, have no fear, as an administrator of a graphics and art forum myself, i am well aware of the feeding habits of these despicable creatures!!

Contrail - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Contrail - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Contrail - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

:UJ:

[razorbill]

Originally Posted by unionjack1967

click here for contrail formation info

Hi UJ

- be very careful - the 'contrail' page from Wikipedia you quoted is typical for the ongoing disinformation:

They show chemtrails and declare that these are typical pictures of contrails.

Especially the iridescent sheen is completely unnatural and caused by the metallic componenets of the mix.

[tzlr_17]

Originally Posted by razorbill

Especially the iridescent sheen is completely unnatural and caused by the metallic componenets of the mix.

Have you ever seen a rainbow?

[decim]

Hey UJ, see what your synapse makes of these...

X FACTOR SKYHOOKS

X FACTOR SKYHOOKS - YouTube

X FACTOR SKYHOOKS - YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYge8e0kFUw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYge8e0kFUw

CHEMTRAIL GHOST SHADOW PLANE CHEMTRAILS

CHEMTRAIL GHOST SHADOW PLANE CHEMTRAILS - YouTube

CHEMTRAIL GHOST SHADOW PLANE CHEMTRAILS - YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dindJyTEck0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dindJyTEck0

[razorbill]

Originally Posted by decim

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYge8e0kFUw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYge8e0kFUw

This video is a great find, Decim!

It'll have to be the ultimate proof for chemtrails, nothing else can explain the sudden onset of the trails and the fact that on the left plane one of the trails starts much later than the other.

[tescos organic]

Originally Posted by razorbill

They show chemtrails and declare that these are typical pictures of contrails

no they don't.
you are saying they are 'chemtrails'. perhaps you'd be good enough to provide some evidence....

[tescos organic]

Originally Posted by razorbill

This video is a great find, Decim!

It'll have to be the ultimate proof for chemtrails, nothing else can explain the sudden onset of the trails and the fact that on the left plane one of the trails starts much later than the other.

oh god, not this again...
ultimate proof!!!!

it's a military tanker in the middle, and 2 fighter jets practicing re-fueling, they're dumping fuel before re-filling again.

[tescos organic]

Originally Posted by unionjack1967

Thanks for the replies guys. Classic tadpoles, the term 'classic' gives me an image of a very regular occurance. Im my entire life i have never seen such patterns as this, and at 43, this is quite some time!! I frequent many airshows and live under an approach to BHX and have never seen this type of trail before.


:UJ:

classic as in the size (length) of trail. chemtrails are supposed to be long, linger and spread.

[tescos organic]

Originally Posted by razorbill

do you know that they sometimes use cloaked planes?

like Batman??? or a Klingon bird-of-prey???

perhaps you could explain what a 'cloaked' plane is, and how it works, thanks.

[tzlr_17]

Originally Posted by unionjack1967

@razorbill, thanks for the welcome, and as for internet trolls, have no fear, as an administrator of a graphics and art forum myself, i am well aware of the feeding habits of these despicable creatures!!

click here for contrail formation info

:UJ:

You missed the point, It's not trolls you should be wary of - it's the government/elite-employed shills. Unfortunately for you, linking to a wiki page full of 'disinformation' puts you in this category.

[stargategazer]

Originally Posted by tescos organic

no they don't.
you are saying they are 'chemtrails'. perhaps you'd be good enough to provide some evidence....

Beautiful clear blue skies here on the England/Welsh border yesterday and today unlike days before when I lost count of the planes criss crossing the sky leaving it looking like a grey agri slick. I had almost forgotten what a real blue sky looks like. Whatever these planes are depositing in their trails to change the character of the sky normal contrails they aint that's for sure.

[jem stone]

Originally Posted by tescos organic

like Batman??? or a Klingon bird-of-prey???

perhaps you could explain what a 'cloaked' plane is, and how it works, thanks.

500 posts attempting to debunk chemtrails and still no further towards changing anyones mind. I admire your persistence.

[unionjack1967]

Originally Posted by tzlr_17

You missed the point, It's not trolls you should be wary of - it's the government/elite-employed shills. Unfortunately for you, linking to a wiki page full of 'disinformation' puts you in this category.

Very nice video decim, i have stumbled upon a few others which i will link to once i get back on my PC at home, unfortunately the place of works filtering system is very efficient and prevents me from doing much on the internet.

Whilst apparently linking to a site of disinformation, i will argue the fact that this is how contrails are formed. If you believe this to be lies then that is your choice and yours to make. I have a very good understanding of jet propulsion and stick by the fact that many of these trails are indeed purely exhaust, not all trails in the sky are suspicious in nature. Taking this onboard, i am seeing some rather odd formations in the skies above Birmingham (uk) of late which defy any logical explaination. Take my images for instance, there is no way that five aircraft will create these trails simultaneously, all of which appear uniform in dimensions and yet so short in duration.

:UJ:

[tzlr_17]

Originally Posted by unionjack1967

Whilst apparently linking to a site of disinformation, i will argue the fact that this is how contrails are formed. If you believe this to be lies then that is your choice and yours to make. I have a very good understanding of jet propulsion and stick by the fact that many of these trails are indeed purely exhaust, not all trails in the sky are suspicious in nature. Taking this onboard, i am seeing some rather odd formations in the skies above Birmingham (uk) of late which defy any logical explaination. Take my images for instance, there is no way that five aircraft will create these trails simultaneously, all of which appear uniform in dimensions and yet so short in duration.

Those trails are indeed odd looking - did you see the planes that left them? Any more info? It's quite hard to tell whether the cutoff point lines up vertically.

My apologies for my last post, I was being facetious. Displaying critical thinking skills and not blaming every single contrail on an international network of passenger planes, drones, and UFOs spewing out a mixture of dozens of chemicals, metals, biological agents and nanobots tends to get one labelled as a shill here. Since I'm undecided about 'chemtrails' and have called for more research I'm labelled as such. Watch what you say

And whatever you do, don't link to http://contrailscience.com/

[unionjack1967]

Originally Posted by tzlr_17

Those trails are indeed odd looking - did you see the planes that left them? Any more info? It's quite hard to tell whether the cutoff point lines up vertically.

My apologies for my last post, I was being facetious. Displaying critical thinking skills and not blaming every single contrail on an international network of passenger planes, drones, and UFOs spewing out a mixture of dozens of chemicals, metals, biological agents and nanobots tends to get one labelled as a shill here. Since I'm undecided about 'chemtrails' and have called for more research I'm labelled as such. Watch what you say

And whatever you do, don't link to http://contrailscience.com/

No problem

There isn't much more i can add to my original post to be honest, usually i would hear any air traffic, or my 2 year old son would, he has a facination about the sky right now, he yells "plane, plane plane" everytime he sees one and does not give up until i come and have a look! But on this occassion we both missed this one. i recall i was actually in my back garden that evening due to the nice 'unseasonally warm' weather, i happened to look up and the rest you now know. Never heard a thing, or saw no evidence of any aircraft. Looking at those trails, it would appear that they were formed a good few minutes before i saw them so i assume that any aircraft had long gone.

:UJ:

[tescos organic]

Originally Posted by tzlr_17

Displaying critical thinking skills and not blaming every single contrail on an international network of passenger planes, drones, and UFOs spewing out a mixture of dozens of chemicals, metals, biological agents and nanobots tends to get one labelled as a shill here.

And whatever you do, don't link to http://contrailscience.com/

aint that the truth.

[tescos organic]

Originally Posted by jem stone

500 posts attempting to debunk chemtrails and still no further towards changing anyones mind. I admire your persistence.

280 posts as a paid pro-chemtrail disinfo agent. i admire your persistance also.