The Vedic Way of Knowing God - Video

[ohme]

Originally Posted by parousia

Yeah, you're right - imagining that you could be God freaks me out.

We're not Holy. We're sinners. We can't have union with God. We can't be God.

I see, so you're saying that if we didn't sin we'd be God?

Do you think that's all God is - infinite?

You have no respect.

OK, there's Infinite......and? You mean there's more than Infinite, so please tell me what that is.

What was Isaiah's reaction to seeing God? - Woe is me for I am undone.

That's the correct response.

Correct for you maybe. Where were you when this supposed thing happened?

Just because you want to believe God walked around, doesn't mean it is true. Obviously. Is this what the majority of christians are accusing the NWO and eastern mysticism for, the fact that you want your God to shit and pee?

[parousia]

Originally Posted by ohme

Why have you brought pigs into it? I was talking the same human as Jesus was.

I was just thinking about this:

This man lived in the tombs, and no one could bind him anymore, not even with a chain. 4 For he had often been chained hand and foot, but he tore the chains apart and broke the irons on his feet. No one was strong enough to subdue him. 5 Night and day among the tombs and in the hills he would cry out and cut himself with stones.
6 When he saw Jesus from a distance, he ran and fell on his knees in front of him. 7 He shouted at the top of his voice, “What do you want with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? In God’s name don’t torture me!” 8 For Jesus had said to him, “Come out of this man, you impure spirit!”

9 Then Jesus asked him, “What is your name?”

“My name is Legion,” he replied, “for we are many.” 10 And he begged Jesus again and again not to send them out of the area.

11 A large herd of pigs was feeding on the nearby hillside. 12 The demons begged Jesus, “Send us among the pigs; allow us to go into them.” 13 He gave them permission, and the impure spirits came out and went into the pigs. The herd, about two thousand in number, rushed down the steep bank into the lake and were drowned.

Demon-possessed pigs. Weird huh?

[parousia]

Originally Posted by ohme

I see, so you're saying that if we didn't sin we'd be God?



OK, there's Infinite......and? You mean there's more than Infinite, so please tell me what that is.



Correct for you maybe. Where were you when this supposed thing happened?

Just because you want to believe God walked around, doesn't mean it is true. Obviously. Is this what the majority of christians are accusing the NWO and eastern mysticism for, the fact that you want your God to shit and pee?

Apparently you used to be a Christian (which I find very hard to believe) - so you know full well what I mean and what the attributes of God are (according to Christianity).

You're annoying me and I'm pretty sure I annoy you so I'll say tara for a bit.

[ohme]

Originally Posted by parousia

Apparently you used to be a Christian (which I find very hard to believe)

You're staring at your future maybe.

- so you know full well what I mean and what the attributes of God are (according to Christianity).

According to the OT he done loads of stuff and said loads and loads of stuff to people. He was really into protecting his Jewish nation, and sadly had to destroy lots of other nations at times, but when he was pissed at his own he'd allow them to get captured and made into slaves.

The NT has him reappear as Jesus. Then the apostles take over and establish the church, through Peter apparently. So I'd imagine the catholic church was the one established through Peter? Seems that way, as God inspired his scattered words to get made into a 66 book bundle (more actually in the catholic bible).

You're annoying me and I'm pretty sure I annoy you so I'll say tara for a bit.

Tara then.

[parousia]

Originally Posted by ohme

You're staring at your future maybe.

No. Do you mean you were raised a Christian? That doesn't make you a Christian.

According to the OT he done loads of stuff and said loads and loads of stuff to people. He was really into protecting his Jewish nation, and sadly had to destroy lots of other nations at times, but when he was pissed at his own he'd allow them to get captured and made into slaves.

The NT has him reappear as Jesus. Then the apostles take over and establish the church, through Peter apparently. So I'd imagine the catholic church was the one established through Peter? Seems that way, as God inspired his scattered words to get made into a 66 book bundle (more actually in the catholic bible).

Tara then.

That's a description of what 'happens' in the Bible (missing out the most important bits) - not the attributes of God.

[one666]

No one can be sure of gods existence except for fools and i'll tell you why. The believers cannot prove his existence with solid credible evidence and the non believers like myself cannot prove he doesn't exist therefore no one can really be 100% positive either way unless they are pretty thick and fast asleep.

[ferryman to the dead]

Originally Posted by one666

No one can be sure of gods existence except for fools and i'll tell you why. The believers cannot prove his existence with solid credible evidence and the non believers like myself cannot prove he doesn't exist therefore no one can really be 100% positive either way unless they are pretty thick and fast asleep.

Right on Bro! Only no one believes this.

[ohme]

Originally Posted by parousia

No. Do you mean you were raised a Christian? That doesn't make you a Christian.

No I wasn't actually raised a christian. I became one, and I don't recall ever loosing my connection with the Creator when I slowly grew away from the Psycho Jehovah, whom you say is sinless, but I see as a nasty sinner. So there was my dilemma, can't relate to the dictator boy Jehovah, and certainly laugh at the idea that he somehow morphed into Jesus.

And I don't accept that any label gets one to be right with God, whether rot be "christian" or otherwise. On that basis I do not feel bad for questioning the bible, ás I would anything else I don't agree with. What's the point in worshipping a Jehovah type if you don't agree with their actions?
that led me to research the bible, the rest is history.

Oh alright then, let's have this Jehovah's attributes, as that is who you obviously mean.

[parousia]

Originally Posted by ohme

No I wasn't actually raised a christian. I became one, and I don't recall ever loosing my connection with the Creator when I slowly grew away from the Psycho Jehovah, whom you say is sinless, but I see as a nasty sinner. So there was my dilemma, can't relate to the dictator boy Jehovah, and certainly laugh at the idea that he somehow morphed into Jesus.

And I don't accept that any label gets one to be right with God, whether rot be "christian" or otherwise. On that basis I do not feel bad for questioning the bible, ás I would anything else I don't agree with. What's the point in worshipping a Jehovah type if you don't agree with their actions?
that led me to research the bible, the rest is history.

Oh alright then, let's have this Jehovah's attributes, as that is who you obviously mean.

If you see God as a sinner then that's really going to be a stumbling block for understanding where I'm coming from. God is "HOLY, HOLY, HOLY" - this is the only attribute of God which the Bible emphasises through repetition three times. For the purposes of this thread it is the most important attribute and it is why I disagree with the idea that we can have "union" with God. Our sinful nature prevents us even having a relationship with him. Sin makes us God's enemies.

If you hate God and think the Bible is written by the Illumanti or something then you're going to think that what I just said is a pile of poo.

You never bother to answer my questions - but I'd really like to know - what is the benefit to this supposed "union" with "God" - for the individual and for mankind as a whole? If people in India have been achieving this oneness with God for thousands of years - what impact has it had on their society? Are they more peaceful and full of love? Have they erradicated poverty? Have they done away with injustice and social division?

I suspect the answer is NO. The answer is no - because there is no "yoking" yourself to God.

[ohme]

Originally Posted by parousia

If you see God as a sinner then that's really going to be a stumbling block for understanding where I'm coming from. God is "HOLY, HOLY, HOLY" - this is the only attribute of God which the Bible emphasises through repetition three times.

I don't see God as a sinner. So you work it out if I think Jehovah is actually God, because I think he is a terrible sinner. And holy holy holy had crap crap crap take away from it.

For the purposes of this thread it is the most important attribute and it is why I disagree with the idea that we can have "union" with God. Our sinful nature prevents us even having a relationship with him. Sin makes us God's enemies.

It's possible through the grace of God. Sin makes Jehovah an enemy of God's too then.

If you hate God and think the Bible is written by the Illumanti or something then you're going to think that what I just said is a pile of poo.

I don't hate God. I reject the murders and genocide of Jehovah as an expression of God. In fact that applies to all religions that have a God as a murderer.

You never bother to answer my questions - but I'd really like to know - what is the benefit to this supposed "union" with "God"

Is that a serious question ffs?!! Oh it's bound to be an anti climax.

- for the individual and for mankind as a whole?

I can't believe you can't see the benifts of having heaven on earth at last.

If people in India have been achieving this oneness with God for thousands of years

Have they? Then by your logic what christianity has acheived is blood and misery and non stop fighting.

I am simply focusing on what the guy said in the video, btw. On that I still think he is correct. Don't know why this had to become a big debate about eastern mysticism and the NWO. When it comes to what the guy said I am 100% in agreement, and always willing to keep backing that up.

- what impact has it had on their society?

Less materiality for those that take on the discipline? That means less pollution contribution, less trees having to be cut down etc.

Now if the NWO want to infiltratte the East with their ethics, they have to avoid the "third step". Materiality and reason will be ok, but the third step....I don't think they'll want people to believe that. So you are already in their good books.

Are they more peaceful and full of love?

Yes, anyone that achieves the third step is love and peace and non-ego. I don't view this third step as some far eastern mysticism personally....just a bloody good insight.

Have they erradicated poverty? Have they done away with injustice and social division?

That would be nice wouldn't it. How has your belief achieved these things with its God-man btw?

I suspect the answer is NO. The answer is no - because there is no "yoking" yourself to God.

Says she so seemingly sure but on closer inspection you have typed a few words onto a screen and sent them out.,

The answer is probably that the world has never seen so much bloodshed since they give forms to God. Because then any little dictator can use that to their advantage.

But when it comes to a God that can produce all known things through itself, none of the forms we wish to give it stand up to reason.

Yet the East has not been anywhere near as destructive as the west with its bible/quaran/torah mentality.

[parousia]

Originally Posted by ohme

Yes, anyone that achieves the third step is love and peace and non-ego.

Oh, they're "love, peace and non-ego" - that's nice.

There are 3 steps to heaven...1,2,3.

How is this different to flower power in the 1960s? - cus I haven't seen any lasting benefits of that particular awakening.

Within You Without You

Within You Without You

We were talking-about the space between us all
And the people-who hide themselves behind a wall of illusion
Never glimpse the truth-then it's far too late-when they pass away.
We were talking-about the love we all could share-when we find it
To try our best to hold it there-with our love
With our love-we could save the world-if they only knew.
Try to realize it's all within yourself
No-one else can make you change
And to see you're really only very small,
And life flows ON within you and without you.
We were talking-about the love that's gone so cold and the people,
Who gain the world and lose their soul-
They don't know-they can't see-are you one of them?
When you've seen beyond yourself-then you may find, peace of mind,
Is waiting there-
And the time will come when you see
we're all one, and life flows on within you and without you. (Harrison)

[ohme]

Originally Posted by parousia

Oh, they're "love, peace and non-ego"

If they are in union with God, of course they are. What would they be, hate, war and always carry a mirror wherever they go?

There are 3 steps to heaven...1,2,3.

No, the whole point is that there are no steps, no medium. It's here already, nothing held back from God's end. He just outlines three basic ways, senses, reason, or mediumless. It's the last one that implies no steps.

How is this different to flower power in the 1960s?

How is what different? What is flower power? Explain what you are packing into that word "THIS".

- cus I haven't seen any lasting benefits of that particular awakening.

Was there an awakening? OK, so you want to poo on that as well, fair enough.

So basically you don't support the enlightenment of the human spirit? What do you support?

[parousia]

Originally Posted by ohme

always carry a mirror wherever they go?

I think it's vanity and self-idolatry, so yes probably.

How is what different? What is flower power? Explain what you are packing into that word "THIS".



Was there an awakening? OK, so you want to poo on that as well, fair enough.

Sorry, I was being flippant. Yes - I'll would say the 1960s hippy movement was controlled counter-culture - it was given to us by the "shadow government" who want to destroy Christianity by any means.

Kundalini and the Toronto Blessing

Kundalini and the Toronto Blessing

They infiltrated the Charismatic church. (Interesting John Todd said about Illuminati doing so when he was speaking in the 1970s). The above video's a bit over the top (especially the music) - but the clips are interesting.

Now they're pushing this idea of spiritual enlightenment again - look at the videos of those artists who are quite obviously "Illuminati" puppets: Katy Perry, Beyonce, Lady Gaga (all we hear is radio gaga - mind control), Rihanna.

So basically you don't support the enlightenment of the human spirit? What do you support?

I don't think that's what it is. I think it is going to be used to control us.

Look at Revelation - God's seal and the Mark of the Beast are on the forehead. Location of the Pineal Gland - third eye - whatever.

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I don't support anything - that's a strange word to use.

[ohme]

Originally Posted by parousia

I think it's vanity and self-idolatry, so yes probably.

How is this connection with God vanity and self idolatry? Your opinion is fine, but it lacks any awareness, sorry.

Sorry, I was being flippant. Yes - I'll would say the 1960s hippy movement was controlled counter-culture - it was given to us by the "shadow government" who want to destroy Christianity by any means.

Oh they gave it to us, rather than shat all over it and stopped it growing you mean? Christianity has all but destroyed itself, imo.

Now they're pushing this idea of spiritual enlightenment again - look at the videos of those artists who are quite obviously "Illuminati" puppets: Katy Perry, Beyonce, Lady Gaga (all we hear is radio gaga - mind control), Rihanna.

Well yes, but what has that got to do with the comments in the video in this thread?

I don't think that's what it is. I think it is going to be used to control us.

The question was do you support tthe enlightenment of the spirit?

Look at Revelation - God's seal and the Mark of the Beast are on the forehead. Location of the Pineal Gland - third eye - whatever.

Aaaah so now the mark of the beast is not about trading? Anyone who isn't an eastern mystic can't buy a pound of rice and a three bedroom semi.

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I don't support anything - that's a strange word to use.

You come across as a reall avid supporter of something that is for sure!

Anywhere, there is nowhere left for this convo to go. Time to go to another sub forum and start sharing some real research. I agree with you in part however, just not the actual point of this thread, which was about this guys video, which still makes heaps of sense.