The Vedic Way of Knowing God - Video

[ohme]

Originally Posted by parousia

Question: if God is "all" - is God also evil?

"Evil is the lack of Love". God is Love.

So how does "evil" manifest itself? It must come from somewhere.

What do you mean - evil is "the lack of Reality" - that it is "illusion"?

Are you saying if God is all - then evil doesn't exist?

So where's your love then? You called me a knucklehead - that's not very loving is it?

What's love then?

Love is speaking the truth, with no deceit in it. There's only one place you'll find that love, but you won't go in. That's point number one.

I stated that evil is the lack of love. Why is it that God isn't tempted by evil? I say it's because God is only Reality, along with the Creation that God creates through itself.

So, for God does evil exist within its reality? There is no evil in God, and yet God is all. So how do we have to view evil in that respect? It can only be that we are not acting within God. And so, evil is an illusion, not that it doesn't come about for us and bites the world up the ass. It doesn't come about for God. Our solution is simple. Go back to God, give up the attachments that produces illusions. Wherever attachment is, there is deceit.
All evil is the result of attachment, through the ego. Give me an example of evil, and I'll try to show you where the attachment was. It's always a pride thing too.

And yes, you are indeed speaking like a nucklehead. You seem to only know how to go through the parroted motions of what you think is a Christian. You shake the dust off your sandals way too quickly at people, and are completely dismissive in a blind kind of way. If this is not the truth about you, then please explain yourself so I get the correct view of what you say you are.

I am being this "harsh" at the moment, because you pretend to say things but actually say nothing at the same time. Should you come down from your fairy cake reality, and meet me on balanced ground, I'm actually a very amicable person.

When you say we are being deceived, I want you to love us enough to break a brain cell in humbly explaining it. It's too "hollywood" to act the martyr as if no one will want to listen to you. I love listening to reason, it is the way back to the Light.

You've come to a forum. Why is that, if not to discuss things and explain your position?

[extremecheese]

Originally Posted by ohme

Funny how the narrow minded give up so quick, and proclaim a person to be what they themselves really are. See it all the time. They make lots of money out of it.

Yep, attack is always the best form of defense ohme.
Edit: whoops! forgot to add the standard dollop of "please read proverbs 14:6"

[parousia]

Originally Posted by ohme

Love is speaking the truth, with no deceit in it. There's only one place you'll find that love, but you won't go in. That's point number one.

I stated that evil is the lack of love. Why is it that God isn't tempted by evil? I say it's because God is only Reality, along with the Creation that God creates through itself.

So, for God does evil exist within its reality? There is no evil in God, and yet God is all. So how do we have to view evil in that respect? It can only be that we are not acting within God. And so, evil is an illusion, not that it doesn't come about for us and bites the world up the ass. It doesn't come about for God. Our solution is simple. Go back to God, give up the attachments that produces illusions. Wherever attachment is, there is deceit.
All evil is the result of attachment, through the ego. Give me an example of evil, and I'll try to show you where the attachment was. It's always a pride thing too.

And yes, you are indeed speaking like a nucklehead. You seem to only know how to go through the parroted motions of what you think is a Christian. You shake the dust off your sandals way too quickly at people, and are completely dismissive in a blind kind of way. If this is not the truth about you, then please explain yourself so I get the correct view of what you say you are.

I am being this "harsh" at the moment, because you pretend to say things but actually say nothing at the same time. Should you come down from your fairy cake reality, and meet me on balanced ground, I'm actually a very amicable person.

When you say we are being deceived, I want you to love us enough to break a brain cell in humbly explaining it. It's too "hollywood" to act the martyr as if no one will want to listen to you. I love listening to reason, it is the way back to the Light.

You've come to a forum. Why is that, if not to discuss things and explain your position?

My position? Don't you know what Christians believe?

Fairy cakes? Your explanation of God and evil made me think of ring doughnuts. God's the invisible bit in the middle and we "unenlightened" are the cakey material bit.

You think evil is the effect of spiritual ignorance? Does that mean that someone who doesn't have the mental or physical capacity to undergo the rigors of obtaining "enlightenment" can't know God? (I suppose this is where you bring in reincarnation?).

Nah, it's true - I'm a nucklehead. But God chose the foolish of the world to shame the wise, so that none can boast in his presence.

[ohme]

Originally Posted by parousia

Nah, it's true - I'm a nucklehead. But God chose the foolish of the world to shame the wise, so that none can boast in his presence.

Nah, the NWO chose the (created the) foolish, my friend. God isn't to blame for nuckleheads.

[ohme]

Originally Posted by extremecheese

Yep, attack is always the best form of defense ohme.
Edit: whoops! forgot to add the standard dollop of "please read proverbs 14:6"

You people just love painting strawmen about others. Probably because you are so empty yourselves, whilst thinking you're full.

As for your ploverbs 14:16:

16 The wise fear the LORD and shun evil,
but a fool is hotheaded and yet feels secure.

Tell me about those that are supposedly wise without ever venturing inside and seeking spiritual discipline. Tell me how you are wise, for example.

It is the height of comedy to accuse those seeking spiritual discipline to be victims of some NWO, whilst you blind beggars throwing the arrogant statements around think you're so so chosen. You false people.

[parousia]

Originally Posted by ohme

Nah, the NWO chose the (created the) foolish, my friend. God isn't to blame for nuckleheads.

Fortunately, I know that God isn't an intellectual snob like you.

Why would God want you to worship yourself?

Imagine you're Satan - how would you get people to worship you instead of God? You'd create lots of false religions which appeal to people's sinful nature, that promises no judgement and allows you to do whatever you like. You'd appeal to people's vanity and self-righteousness, to their hedonistic urges, their lust for power etc. You'd take the lies and mix a bit of truth with it to make it easier to swallow.

You don't have to be clever to be a Christian and I'm not - the Kingdom of God is not a meritocracy - I didn't have to do anything - I'm there by God's grace.

Why does the NWO hate Christians?:

“It is always more difficult to fight against faith than against knowledge.” Adolf Hitler

The NWO didn't create Christians - the NWO hates Jesus.

[ohme]

Originally Posted by parousia

Fortunately, I know that God isn't an intellectual snob like you.

Why would God want you to worship yourself?

You obviously didn't watch the video. Go back, and LISTEN this time, especially the part about the grace of God being the only way we mortals can communicate with God. Then come back and call me an intellectual who wants to worship himself. Look a litttle closer to home perhaps?

Imagine you're Satan - how would you get people to worship you instead of God?

I'd pretend that I have written God's Word down, so that people think the heart is an evil place. And after that I'd sit back and laugh at all the intellectual converts (converted through text and in the head that is presently the domain of their blind ego)

You'd create lots of false religions which appeal to people's sinful nature, that promises no judgement and allows you to do whatever you like.

In the west, we have a very materialistic system, where people are encouraged to be gluttons, eat shite food that make big coorps rich, fuck around, have adverts that promote "YOUR hairdo", "Is it right for YOU"....etc. But you wish to include in this those people that want to become spiritually disciplined, and get to commune with God. You seem to think these are the ones doing what they like and worshipping themselves, whereas your western christian materialistic conformist polluting societies don't look at their own mess from having iconized a God-Man for thousands of years, and reaped a pile of illusion in the world. You really ARE a nucklehead. Get real when you throw accusations.

You really don't think perhaps we in the west are trying to corrupt these eastern societies with our materialism do you?

You'd appeal to people's vanity and self-righteousness, to their hedonistic urges, their lust for power etc.

You are a complete deceitful liar. I urge all people to work on letting go of attachments, and to seek within for the Source of Light, the Creator, Love......and you pretend that I am some heathen?? Your father would be proud of you you proud deceiver.

You'd take the lies and mix a bit of truth with it to make it easier to swallow.

Let's have an example.

You don't have to be clever to be a Christian and I'm not - the Kingdom of God is not a meritocracy - I didn't have to do anything - I'm there by God's grace.

Sure you are, even though you reject a video that proclaims that very thing. Because your words may suggest you know where you are, but the actual substance of the words suggest it's the last place you'd recognize.

Why does the NWO hate Christians?:

“It is always more difficult to fight against faith than against knowledge.” Adolf Hitler

The NWO didn't create Christians - the NWO hates Jesus.

It's all upside down in your head. This "NWO" is just your ego looking for a way to hang on to the reigns whilst pretending it is walking in Jesus's Way.
When one applies reason to your statements, they find nothing but a poor nucklehead deceiving himself as he faithfully believes what he's told to, and waits. Bless you, but that isn't the way nor anywhere near enough.

[parousia]

Originally Posted by ohme

It's all upside down in your head. This "NWO" is just your ego looking for a way to hang on to the reigns whilst pretending it is walking in Jesus's Way.
When one applies reason to your statements, they find nothing but a poor nucklehead deceiving himself as he faithfully believes what he's told to, and waits. Bless you, but that isn't the way nor anywhere near enough.

You don't have to do much research into the NWO and New Age beliefs to find out that Eastern Mysticism is a big part of it (they have a pic 'n' mix attitude to religion).

Hitler's Priestess - N Goodrick-Clarke

I'd recommend this book on Savitri Devi - she was anti-Christian, anti-Semitic and a proponent of Hinduism and Nazism. She thought Hitler was an "avatar". The last chapter is Last Years and Legacy: Nazis, Greens and the New Age. On the influence of her writing on New Age, neopagan and ecological groups:

"In their writings paganism, magic and the natural order as a foil for a cleansing wave of fascist violence that will sweep away a corrupt humanity, leaving only Aryans in possession of a pristine world".

Now doesn't that sound like a description of the NWO? It's not going to be a Christian NWO!

I'm not calling you a Nazi before you jump down my throat - just saying that Eastern Mysticism is embraced by NWO eugenicist neo-pagans.

[ohme]

Originally Posted by parousia

You don't have to do much research into the NWO and New Age beliefs to find out that Eastern Mysticism is a big part of it (they have a pic 'n' mix attitude to religion).

Hitler's Priestess - N Goodrick-Clarke

I'd recommend this book on Savitri Devi - she was anti-Christian, anti-Semitic and a proponent of Hinduism and Nazism. She thought Hitler was an "avatar". The last chapter is Last Years and Legacy: Nazis, Greens and the New Age. On the influence of her writing on New Age, neopagan and ecological groups:

Now doesn't that sound like a description of the NWO? It's not going to be a Christian NWO!

I'm not calling you a Nazi before you jump down my throat - just saying that Eastern Mysticism is embraced by NWO eugenicist neo-pagans.

So you think that the NWO practices what this man is describing in the video??

[parousia]

Originally Posted by ohme

So you think that the NWO practices what this man is describing in the video??

I think that they would promote what that man is discussing in the video because it isn't harmful to their agenda. I don't know the man in the video but he seemed sincere and pleasant - I'm not saying he is consciously an agent of the NWO.

As for what they "practise" I can't know for certain - I'm not one of them. The consensus of opinion seems to be "mystery" religions which engage in horrific acts of human sacrifice and sexual abuse.

Don't get me wrong - I don't think they're going to take over the world through practising yoga. (Well, I think they have already taken over the world actually - but it wasn't by doing salutation to the sun and head down dog).

[ohme]

Originally Posted by parousia

I think that they would promote what that man is discussing in the video because it isn't harmful to their agenda. I don't know the man in the video but he seemed sincere and pleasant - I'm not saying he is consciously an agent of the NWO.

As for what they "practise" I can't know for certain - I'm not one of them. The consensus of opinion seems to be "mystery" religions which engage in horrific acts of human sacrifice and sexual abuse.

Don't get me wrong - I don't think they're going to take over the world through practising yoga. (Well, I think they have already taken over the world actually - but it wasn't by doing salutation to the sun and head down dog).

The problem I have in believing anything about some promotion of "Eastern mysticism" by the NWO, is that Eastern Mysticism has been practiced for thousands of years. We should see the symptoms of satanic, violent, warmongering psychos on the loose in these countries that practice this mysticism. On the contrary, these people seem to wanna be peaceful and loving.

What I suggest is that the elitist bloodline NWO leaders are actually after the kind of human we see on our streets here in England or Europe or America or Australia....hard at work, no time to think and ponder, consumers, believers in mainstream reports on the news, doubtful of conspiracy theories....total fodder for the power mad few. Eastern Mysticism, and the words from the author of the video do not match the NWO agenda. So I also suggest you have a need to see Eastern Mysticism as evil, rather than the brain washing you are under.

[extremecheese]

Originally Posted by ohme

The problem I have in believing anything about some promotion of "Eastern mysticism" by the NWO, is that Eastern Mysticism has been practiced for thousands of years. We should see the symptoms of satanic, violent, warmongering psychos on the loose in these countries that practice this mysticism. On the contrary, these people seem to wanna be peaceful and loving.

You have a very short and / or selective memory Ohme.
Let's cast our minds back to the second world war, where we have 2 major protagonists.
Firstly we have Japan - a Buddhist nation. Secondly we have the Nazis - marching under a swastika - a symbol of...oh yes! Buddhism!
Let's look at China - hmmm, Taoist and Buddhists - yes Chairman Mao certainly had no trouble killing millions of his own people - and which country has the highest abortion (state sponserd baby killing) rate in the world? - ah yes Hong Kong.
There's Cambodia - of course nothing bad ever happened there, Thailand where people in different coloured shirts are chucking blood over each other, Nuclear powered India with it's Kashmir problem etc etc.
I'm not saying the west is without fault here - but it's plain to see that Satan / Evil / Call it what you will is a world wide phenomenon.

What I suggest is that the elitist bloodline NWO leaders are actually after the kind of human we see on our streets here in England or Europe or America or Australia....hard at work, no time to think and ponder, consumers, believers in mainstream reports on the news, doubtful of conspiracy theories....

Folks who dont' read thier Bibles and get their ethics and morals from the television and Beatle albums you mean? yes I agree.

[ohme]

Originally Posted by extremecheese

You have a very short and / or selective memory Ohme.
Let's cast our minds back to the second world war, where we have 2 major protagonists.
Firstly we have Japan - a Buddhist nation. Secondly we have the Nazis - marching under a swastika - a symbol of...oh yes! Buddhism!
Let's look at China - hmmm, Taoist and Buddhists - yes Chairman Mao certainly had no trouble killing millions of his own people - and which country has the highest abortion (state sponserd baby killing) rate in the world? - ah yes Hong Kong.
There's Cambodia - of course nothing bad ever happened there, Thailand where people in different coloured shirts are chucking blood over each other, Nuclear powered India with it's Kashmir problem etc etc.
I'm not saying the west is without fault here - but it's plain to see that Satan / Evil / Call it what you will is a world wide phenomenon.

The simple questions are where does Eastern Mysticism fit into all this, and what actual criticisms do you have regarding the video posted in this thread?

Folks who dont' read thier Bibles and get their ethics and morals from the television and Beatle albums you mean? yes I agree.

The whole system really, from that which gave it its birth points to those that feed it. From the system's tenets and doctrines to those that die in vain to protect it in whosever name it is given to fight for. I'd trump a John Lennon song over a Jehovah judgment anyday, thanks

We seem to have transcended the written texts yet again, and ventured into human realms themselves. For all humans read to the letter, are given to love and some do and some don't. Christians and Christianity has not been spared the corruption human hands are privy to. People always misuse otherwise sound means.

I think the west is more concerned with the texts, and not enough with the Way itself. It comes to a stunted growth, surrounding itself with that which will accept the blind, the poor helpless souls that you proclaim you are, the very label you have been fooled to wear. I find it unbelievable you think God wants you to "stay away from there", that there inside you. And it's even more hilarious that one would imagine a "NWO" encouraging us to do so, to look within , because that way they can enslave us further....I mean WTF .....can't you see how non sensical crap about NWO and Eastern Mysticism actually is? What did you guys do , listen to Bananarama and conclude that Mozart must have been a crap musician?

So I don't think our talking doctrines is really what the essence of the kind of message the man in the video was trying to convey. There is no evil where he is going. If you can't see that it is because you want and need there to be evil in that act. Or else please give a well thought out case for the apparent evil in this. How does what he is conveying support the NWO agenda (and please clarify that agenda)?

[extremecheese]

How do we know about God? well a simple telescope will give you an insight into God's infinite work, and by reading the 4 Gospels we can learn about his infinite love.
However my main disagreement with the posted video is that Dr. Frank Morales insists that though he admits that we as humans have sins (he mentions the fact that we lie for example) there is no separation between God and mankind.
However if we have a just and Holy God, then as sinners He can have no place within us - and indeed we were separated from God ever since the day that Adam sinned. The good news is that our reconciliation is here in Jesus Christ.
All that Dr. Morales is trying to do is explain away the need for a saviour - and he does it in a very disarming, slick, and charming manner - but in doing so he promotes sin as being something acceptable to God.

Now that I've stated my criticisms of the video, perhaps ohme, can you please address my earlier point.

[one666]

Originally Posted by dharmanation

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[one666]

Originally Posted by parousia

You don't have to do much research into the NWO and New Age beliefs to find out that Eastern Mysticism is a big part of it (they have a pic 'n' mix attitude to religion).

Hitler's Priestess - N Goodrick-Clarke

I'd recommend this book on Savitri Devi - she was anti-Christian, anti-Semitic and a proponent of Hinduism and Nazism. She thought Hitler was an "avatar". The last chapter is Last Years and Legacy: Nazis, Greens and the New Age. On the influence of her writing on New Age, neopagan and ecological groups:



Now doesn't that sound like a description of the NWO? It's not going to be a Christian NWO!

I'm not calling you a Nazi before you jump down my throat - just saying that Eastern Mysticism is embraced by NWO eugenicist neo-pagans.

All religion is a crock of shit! We all know that religion, no matter which one is only political control of the masses served up to us in a different way

[ohme]

Originally Posted by extremecheese

How do we know about God? well a simple telescope will give you an insight into God's infinite work, and by reading the 4 Gospels we can learn about his infinite love.

That's where your first assumption begins, although for atheists it begun sooner.

However my main disagreement with the posted video is that Dr. Frank Morales insists that though he admits that we as humans have sins (he mentions the fact that we lie for example) there is no separation between God and mankind.

If that were so, then what good would it be he mentioning that the only way the finite can commune with the infinite is through the grace of the infinite? And why does it threaten you to assume that at some point we are all God, as one whole is one whole. You are as stiff necked as your predecessors by the sounds of it.

However if we have a just and Holy God, then as sinners He can have no place within us

God doesn't partake of sin. It does not mean he is devoid from us, and it also calls up the old cliche of hating the sin by not hating the sinner.

What's made you believe you are seperated from God?

- and indeed we were separated from God ever since the day that Adam sinned. The good news is that our reconciliation is here in Jesus Christ.

This is your faith. And all it means is that, through this faith of yours, you base your accusations against the speaker in the video.

All that Dr. Morales is trying to do is explain away the need for a saviour -

He is simply applying sound reason in no different a manner to Jesus telling us to go to our rooms and pray to our Creator.

and he does it in a very disarming, slick, and charming manner - but in doing so he promotes sin as being something acceptable to God.

He does not promote any sinning, and you are not speaking the truth about this video. You are again applying your own mindset and faith onto it. It doesn't instantly proclaim you to being right. And in the face of all the other reasons you never seem to reply to, it does seem ludicrous that you should be accusing this man of promoting some kind of NWO agenda (unknowingly obviously), when he does not stand for sin or any of the other misdemenours you are implying him in.

Please post one good reason for believing this BS about the NWO somehow wanting us to become Eastern Mystics.

Now that I've stated my criticisms of the video, perhaps ohme, can you please address my earlier point.

Which was? And, hey, you hardly addressed any points yourself.

[extremecheese]

Originally Posted by ohme

You are again applying your own mindset and faith onto it. It doesn't instantly proclaim you to being right.

You asked me to comment and I did! - here's the quote:-

what actual criticisms do you have regarding the video posted in this thread?

what's your problem? am I not allowed to have a mindset or a faith that differs from yours?

Which was? And, hey, you hardly addressed any points yourself.

I did exactly as you asked as described above.
Your point was the belief that countries that practice Eastern Mysticism are loving and peacefull - here's the quote:-

The problem I have in believing anything about some promotion of "Eastern mysticism" by the NWO, is that Eastern Mysticism has been practiced for thousands of years. We should see the symptoms of satanic, violent, warmongering psychos on the loose in these countries that practice this mysticism. On the contrary, these people seem to wanna be peaceful and loving.

and my response was this:-

You have a very short and / or selective memory Ohme.
Let's cast our minds back to the second world war, where we have 2 major protagonists.
Firstly we have Japan - a Buddhist nation. Secondly we have the Nazis - marching under a swastika - a symbol of...oh yes! Buddhism!
Let's look at China - hmmm, Taoist and Buddhists - yes Chairman Mao certainly had no trouble killing millions of his own people - and which country has the highest abortion (state sponserd baby killing) rate in the world? - ah yes Hong Kong.
There's Cambodia - of course nothing bad ever happened there, Thailand where people in different coloured shirts are chucking blood over each other, Nuclear powered India with it's Kashmir problem etc etc.
I'm not saying the west is without fault here - but it's plain to see that Satan / Evil / Call it what you will is a world wide phenomenon.

It's obvious to me that countries that practice eastern mysticism are not the flowery utopia that you believe them to be.

Finnaly I've not mentioned the NWO anywhere in my posts in this topic - you are confusing me with another guy.

[parousia]

Originally Posted by ohme

what actual criticisms do you have regarding the video posted in this thread?

That what he is saying isn't true. There's only one way to the Father - through the Son.

To be honest - I've watched it twice and still don't really know what he is saying. That we can't access God through our hearts or bodies because we are liars and are subject to illusion; that we can't access God through our minds because we can't "know" him; that we can't access him physically because our senses fail us. So we have to do something (?) - what I don't really know - to achieve some sort of union - finite with infinite (but we're still us, just part of God also). Oh and "grace" came in somewhere too.

It shouldn't be this difficult to understand how to "know" God.

But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. (2 Corinthians 11:3)

I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight. (Luke 10:21)

[ohme]

Originally Posted by extremecheese

You asked me to comment and I did! - here's the quote:-



what's your problem? am I not allowed to have a mindset or a faith that differs from yours?



I did exactly as you asked as described above.
Your point was the belief that countries that practice Eastern Mysticism are loving and peacefull - here's the quote:-



and my response was this:-



It's obvious to me that countries that practice eastern mysticism are not the flowery utopia that you believe them to be.

Finnaly I've not mentioned the NWO anywhere in my posts in this topic - you are confusing me with another guy.

Ummmm EC, where did I mention "countries"? After all, are christians not the first to deny that true christians perform the atrocities in this world? Now you wish to condmen eastern mysticism on the strength of the fact that in their countries they too have their psychos and dictators.

The problem I have in believing anything about some promotion of "Eastern mysticism" by the NWO, is that Eastern Mysticism has been practiced for thousands of years. We should see the symptoms of satanic, violent, warmongering psychos on the loose in these countries that practice this mysticism. On the contrary, these people seem to wanna be peaceful and loving.

No, I said that people who practice eastern mysticism seem not to come out the other end as psychos. I can prove and prove that all day long. I will stand firm and confidently say that you have this accusation aimed at eastern mysticism all wrong, and that actually the NWO would not promote such a thing as to empower people. What they will promote is any human willing to block the access back to God. You should think about that when using your faith as fact, and judging everyone else around that.

You have provided no solid ground to judge eastern mysticism with, let alone really criticised this man's video. In fact you have merely shown the world you are another person convinced he has to stop people going inside, through the door that the pharisees in life just have to keep closed.

You have presented your case using deceit. You accuse this man of promoting sin and all manner of evil, and yet your accusatuions are practically baseless. It seems that all a bible thumper can do, sadly, have to bring others down falsely in order to inject them with their own faith instead.

If this real discussion is about Form verses Formless, then let's have it, but on another thread. Start a thread about Eastern mysticism and let's hear your criticism.