The Vedic Way of Knowing God - Video

[parousia]

Originally Posted by ohme

Foolishness seems like foolishness. You have so far been a denier and a judger with no understanding of that which you judge. Now you elevate yourself above me YET again, with an arrogance you don't even understand.
And yet again, I meet a christian unable to hold down a simple discusssion because of their blocked ears and eyes. I don't wish to be a party to the bringing down of this thread, so all the best parousia.

I'm not judging you at all. I was actually being humble and admitting defeat. I'm just recognising that our beliefs are so entirely different that we're only ever going to go around in circles stating the same views: me thinking "that's not true" and you thinking "that's patronising", hokey or whatever.

I had an experience similar to the one you describe through yoga (I haven't always been a Christian) and don't believe that it was spiritual or that it was God.

[parousia]

Originally Posted by vibratingpickle

Why do you suppose Manna from God was a psychotropic mushroom? Every culture that has a plant of the gods uses a psychotropic for religious reasons. Not any different, other than you guys forgot what it was.

Gen 32:30
And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.

How do you suppose the (peniel) gland can see the face of God?

You're clutching at straws here.

Penuel (Hebrew פְּנוּאֵל), also known as the "face of God", is a place not far from Succoth, on the east of the Jordan and north of the river Jabbok. It is also called "Peniel" meaning "I have seen a divine being face to face, yet my life is preserved."

I don't speak Hebrew but I know that the "el" is the important bit - refering to God.

Pineal
(adj, all) having the form of a pine cone
(adj, pert) relating to the pineal body

Origin of the word Pineal
1681, in ref. to the gland in the brain, from Fr. pin?al, lit. "like a pine cone," from L. pinea "pine cone," from pinus "pine tree" (see pine (n.)).

Pinus is Latin for pine tree. Deus is Latin for God.

[ohme]

Originally Posted by parousia

I'm not judging you at all. I was actually being humble and admitting defeat.

Ok, but is that a humble resignation from you that you don't think you can help me?

I'm just recognising that our beliefs are so entirely different that we're only ever going to go around in circles stating the same views: me thinking "that's not true" and you thinking "that's patronising", hokey or whatever.

I can't compete with someone who says they know loads about God. What's the parousia way of knowing God then? I specifically would like to know how you know God has form.

I had an experience similar to the one you describe through yoga (I haven't always been a Christian) and don't believe that it was spiritual or that it was God.

Sorry, but what experience of mine did I describe?

I find that people that "haven't always been " are usually replacing one blindness with another. I'm not being nasty here, just suggesting that we as humans rarely change, we simply re-arrange. I can also assure you that if a genuine spiritual experience comes your way, you'll not have to use belief.

[vibratingpickle]

Originally Posted by parousia

You're clutching at straws here.



I don't speak Hebrew but I know that the "el" is the important bit - refering to God.



Pinus is Latin for pine tree. Deus is Latin for God.

Cool. So there is a city called Face of God? Wild.

Nice to see they got around to naming the gland in 1681.

Any other straws you got? You guys are incredible at taking something and making it nothing. If you guys controlled the world we would be in the dark ages.

[parousia]

Originally Posted by ohme

Ok, but is that a humble resignation from you that you don't think you can help me?

I can't compete with someone who says they know loads about God. What's the parousia way of knowing God then? I specifically would like to know how you know God has form.

Sorry, but what experience of mine did I describe?

I find that people that "haven't always been " are usually replacing one blindness with another. I'm not being nasty here, just suggesting that we as humans rarely change, we simply re-arrange. I can also assure you that if a genuine spiritual experience comes your way, you'll not have to use belief.

Humble resignation to the fact that absolutely nothing I can say to you will have any impact at all!

[ohme]

Originally Posted by parousia

Humble resignation to the fact that absolutely nothing I can say to you will have any impact at all!

That isn't true at all. But is there any real reason why I should accept anything you have "nearly" said so far? What exactly have you said?

I think your resignation is more out of pride. Look into it, not for my sake though.

[parousia]

Originally Posted by ohme

That isn't true at all. But is there any real reason why I should accept anything you have "nearly" said so far?

No - why should you? I'm anonymous, you don't know me and this is a forum on which people are generally rude to each other.

What exactly have you said?

I've said - I'm right and you're wrong!

I think your resignation is more out of pride. Look into it, not for my sake though.

No, not pride - just that it's pointless and that it's difficult to rubbish someone else's religious beliefs in a way that doesn't come across as patronising and rude!

[ohme]

Originally Posted by parousia

I've said - I'm right and you're wrong!

Geeez.

No, not pride - just that it's pointless and that it's difficult to rubbish someone else's religious beliefs in a way that doesn't come across as patronising and rude!

You are a nucklehead ok? This is why......you say you know lots about God, he's a person, he invites people to do stuff....that I'm being deceived, that God doesn't have a consciousness, that there is no legit transcendance on this plain.....all this you have stated rather dismissively, and you think that somehow you have said something so far? These are preliminaries to saying things. You've set the stage, but you're now running off already. Get into the meat of it or stop with your "I'm right you're wrong" childish BS. Is that forum enough for ya?!

[kingmob]

Originally Posted by parousia

It is sad: because it's a very clever deception which is robbing people of a real and personal relationship with God. God is a person: he is not a "source" or a state of higher consciousness. God invites you to become his children by accepting salvation through his Son, Jesus Christ. It isn't a "oneness" or a transcendent experience - it's a proper relationship with the one true living God.

I also understand that most people have to put a great deal of effort into obtaining this transcedence - jumping through spiritual hoops so to speak. Why? Because they don't want to submit to God's authority and his will, but they want to feel something spiritual? You don't have to transcend the physical to talk to God or to hear his answers.



No thanks - I can't watch it again - listening to it gave me a headache!

The NWO has a spiritual aspect which is often overlooked in favour of politics or economics. At the top there is a priesthood whose power is demonic and who access this power through mysticism, witchcraft, the occult, whatever you want to call it. Eastern Mysticism is part of this. The "many paths to God" line is a lie straight out of the mouth of Satan, the Father of Lies.

"cliff notes" for Stupid Brainwashed Moron.

[extremecheese]

Originally Posted by parousia

Humble resignation to the fact that absolutely nothing I can say to you will have any impact at all!

Well put!

[ohme]

Originally Posted by extremecheese

Well put!

Funny how the narrow minded give up so quick, and proclaim a person to be what they themselves really are. See it all the time. They make lots of money out of it.

[parousia]

Only God can open your eyes - whether he chooses to do so is up to Him. Nothing I tell you is going to make any difference.

What is Brahman?In Hinduism, the impersonal Absolute is called “Brahman”. According to this pantheistic belief, everything in existence, living or non-living comes from it. Therefore, Hindus regard all things as sacred. We cannot equate Brahman with God, because God is male and is describable, and this takes away from the concept of the Absolute. Brahman is formless or “nirakara”, and beyond anything that we can conceive of. However, it can manifest itself in myriad forms, including Gods and Goddesses, the “sakara” form of the Brahman.

I don't normally bother interjecting in these threads but I did because I think the title of the video is deceitful. It says knowing "God" - Brahman isn't GOD.



Here's an artist's impression of Braham - when it's manifesting itself as a God I suppose.

According to Prof. Jeaneane Fowler of the University of Wales College, Newport: “The relationship between the many manifest deities and the unmanifest Brahman is rather like that between the sun and its rays. We cannot experience the sun itself but we can experience its rays and the qualities, which those rays have. And, although the sun’s rays are many, ultimately, there is only one source, one sun. So the Gods and Goddesses of Hinduism amount to thousands, all representing the many aspects of Brahman”

God is a person - if he wants to speak to you he will - YOU don't have to do anything. All this accessing your "higher self" is taking you further away from the real God, not closer to Him. The emphasis is on SELF and EXPERIENCE - it's self-idolatry and indicative of the narcissistic, hedonistic culture we live in.

[parousia]

Originally Posted by ohme

you say you know lots about God, he's a person, he invites people to do stuff....that I'm being deceived, that God doesn't have a consciousness, that there is no legit transcendance on this plain...

I didn't say that God doesn't have a consciousness. I said God isn't consciousness. God isn't JUST knowledge or truth. But God is omniscient and incapable of dishonesty. These are aspects of his personality.

[vibratingpickle]

Originally Posted by parousia

God is a person - if he wants to speak to you he will - .

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=156272

[himitsunomiko]

parousia_your replies on this thread are indicative of the traditional dissenter with no other basis to back their attacks other than a misunderstanding or pure ignorance. The west is threatened by these Vedic ways of thought and your antagonism only serves to further that agenda. So, please, let us have a nice thread without the negative interjection.

[parousia]

Originally Posted by himitsunomiko

parousia_your replies on this thread are indicative of the traditional dissenter with no other basis to back their attacks other than a misunderstanding or pure ignorance. The west is threatened by these Vedic ways of thought and your antagonism only serves to further that agenda. So, please, let us have a nice thread without the negative interjection.

I'll say whatever I like. This is a forum isn't it? What I've said is nothing compared to the Christian bashing that goes on here. I haven't deliberately insulted anyone - I just don't agree with them - that's not being antagonistic - it's called discussion. I've deliberately not quoted the Bible and have put up quotes from hindu and yogic websites. I've even conceded that it's impossible for there to be any agreement between us and apologised for seeming patronising.

Of course I'm a "traditional dissenter" - I'm a Christian!

[ohme]

Originally Posted by parousia

I didn't say that God doesn't have a consciousness. I said God isn't consciousness. God isn't JUST knowledge or truth. But God is omniscient and incapable of dishonesty. These are aspects of his personality.

Aaaah, so God isn't consciousness, because he isn't just knowledge and truth. I see. So you mean God is consciousness as well as other stuff too? In case that's what you mean, how would you perceive the type of consciousness God would have? Would it be perfect? Would it be infinite? That's before we even go on to the Love quality God would have. Would that be perfect and infinite too?

Do you see that "all is consciousness" is an inevitable truth about God? That's because God is All, All things through God (Source). That means that Love is All, and that what isn't Love is an illusion to God, who is All, therefore it is an Illusion all round, for All. This would teach us much about how "evil" manifests here, and what we'd have to do in order to alleviate it. Evil is the lack of Love, the lack of Reality that has been replaced by illusion in any given moment.

If you want to continue being a stunted human being deceived about God through some iconic influenced doctrine, that is sad.

[ohme]

Originally Posted by parousia

Only God can open your eyes - whether he chooses to do so is up to Him. Nothing I tell you is going to make any difference.



I don't normally bother interjecting in these threads but I did because I think the title of the video is deceitful. It says knowing "God" - Brahman isn't GOD.



Here's an artist's impression of Braham - when it's manifesting itself as a God I suppose.



God is a person - if he wants to speak to you he will - YOU don't have to do anything. All this accessing your "higher self" is taking you further away from the real God, not closer to Him. The emphasis is on SELF and EXPERIENCE - it's self-idolatry and indicative of the narcissistic, hedonistic culture we live in.

What a load of garbage. You're trying to sell the BS that the NWO are encouraging us to look within, and this Vedic way of knowing God is another deceit. Basically if the NWO are the evil we say they are, they would want to maintain a blind population. Unless you're saying you christians are awake, then your argument has no reality in it at all!! The NWO don't want us awake. SO HOW CAN ACCESSING ONE'S HIGHER SELF TAKE US FURTHER AWAY FROM GOD? What you mean is that it threatens the NWO's bible and other such slave texts, which you think is freedom. Maybe it is freedom from having the responsibility of trying to wake up, which the blind and spiritually lazy lap up..

[parousia]

Originally Posted by ohme

Do you see that "all is consciousness" is an inevitable truth about God? That's because God is All, All things through God (Source). That means that Love is All, and that what isn't Love is an illusion to God, who is All, therefore it is an Illusion all round, for All. This would teach us much about how "evil" manifests here, and what we'd have to do in order to alleviate it. Evil is the lack of Love, the lack of Reality that has been replaced by illusion in any given moment.

Question: if God is "all" - is God also evil?

"Evil is the lack of Love". God is Love.

So how does "evil" manifest itself? It must come from somewhere.

What do you mean - evil is "the lack of Reality" - that it is "illusion"?

Are you saying if God is all - then evil doesn't exist?

So where's your love then? You called me a knucklehead - that's not very loving is it?

What's love then?

[parousia]

Originally Posted by ohme

What a load of garbage. You're trying to sell the BS that the NWO are encouraging us to look within, and this Vedic way of knowing God is another deceit. Basically if the NWO are the evil we say they are, they would want to maintain a blind population. Unless you're saying you christians are awake, then your argument has no reality in it at all!! The NWO don't want us awake. SO HOW CAN ACCESSING ONE'S HIGHER SELF TAKE US FURTHER AWAY FROM GOD? What you mean is that it threatens the NWO's bible and other such slave texts, which you think is freedom. Maybe it is freedom from having the responsibility of trying to wake up, which the blind and spiritually lazy lap up..

You've partly answered your own question - the NWO will be quite happy for you to be too busy looking "within" to notice what they're up to.

Plus - if it is as I say - that you are not chasing after union with God - but with Satan - then that will also serve their ends very well.

They advertise their spiritual agenda all the time. Look at Kylie Minogue's video for "All the Lovers" - the "white elephant" of traditional religion is to be replaced with this mystical new ager idea of spirituality which is all about SELF and PLEASURE and ONENESS. Why do you think the SUN is everywhere in pop videos - Beyonce "Halo" - Britney Spears latest pile of rubbish about the "end of the world" - she climbs out of her bunker and into the LIGHT!