The Vedic Way of Knowing God - Video

[dharmanation]

New Video - The Vedic Way of Knowing God

In this powerful half-hour video, Sri Dharma Pravartaka Acharya (Dr. Frank
Morales, Ph.D.) explains how the finite can know the Infinite, how we can
directly experience and know God, according to the teachings of the ancient
Vedic tradition.


WATCH THE FULL VIDEO HERE:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ti-wz05ljd8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ti-wz05ljd8

The Vedic Way of Knowing God - YouTube

The Vedic Way of Knowing God - YouTube

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[mikel84]

can you give cliff notes on the video?
i will watch later.....

[parousia]

It's a very sad video. What an impersonal "God" he seeks to gain "union" with. It's not really a relationship is it? More an "experience".

Youtube video - The Power Behind the NWO

Youtube video - The Power Behind the NWO

- Eastern mysticism and the New World Order.

[ohme]

Originally Posted by parousia

It's a very sad video. What an impersonal "God" he seeks to gain "union" with. It's not really a relationship is it? More an "experience".

It started off a little dodgy, for me, but the insight regarding the non-requirement of a medium for consciously communing with the source, was a crucial insight. Again, science is catching up here, with its concept of "instant action at a distance". And Jesus also is said to have related to this oneness.

He's also correct, imo, about the only way that the finite can commune with the infinite, which is through the grace of the infinite.

At the 20 minute mark he really hits the nail on the head regarding the attitude of the non reasoners (not that reasoning is the ultimate answer).

Try watching this vid again. I don't think it is sad at all.

Whenever the west feels threatened by the eastern cultures, they seem to invoke the NWO, as if any move inwards is seen as evil. Then the Christians wonder why some people see that as a con-job done on them. Seems the other way round to me. As consciousness takes a leap in evolution, the west feels threatened because it exposes the control its leaders have exerted on the masses, and those with an awakening consciousness feel more drawn toward the spiritual food held within mysticism. Because the west has done all it can to discredit the mystic, one inevitably finds the concept further afield.

The wakers always succeed.

[parousia]

Originally Posted by ohme

It started off a little dodgy, for me, but the insight regarding the non-requirement of a medium for consciously communing with the source, was a crucial insight. Again, science is catching up here, with its concept of "instant action at a distance". And Jesus also is said to have related to this oneness.

He's also correct, imo, about the only way that the finite can commune with the infinite, which is through the grace of the infinite.

At the 20 minute mark he really hits the nail on the head regarding the attitude of the non reasoners (not that reasoning is the ultimate answer).

Whenever the west feels threatened by the eastern cultures, they seem to invoke the NWO, as if any move inwards is seen as evil. Then the Christians wonder why some people see that as a con-job done on them. Seems the other way round to me. As consciousness takes a leap in evolution, the west feels threatened because it exposes the control its leaders have exerted on the masses, and those with an awakening consciousness feel more drawn toward the spiritual food held within mysticism. Because the west has done all it can to discredit the mystic, one inevitably finds the concept further afield.

The wakers always succeed.

It is sad: because it's a very clever deception which is robbing people of a real and personal relationship with God. God is a person: he is not a "source" or a state of higher consciousness. God invites you to become his children by accepting salvation through his Son, Jesus Christ. It isn't a "oneness" or a transcendent experience - it's a proper relationship with the one true living God.

I also understand that most people have to put a great deal of effort into obtaining this transcedence - jumping through spiritual hoops so to speak. Why? Because they don't want to submit to God's authority and his will, but they want to feel something spiritual? You don't have to transcend the physical to talk to God or to hear his answers.

Try watching this vid again. I don't think it is sad at all.

No thanks - I can't watch it again - listening to it gave me a headache!

The NWO has a spiritual aspect which is often overlooked in favour of politics or economics. At the top there is a priesthood whose power is demonic and who access this power through mysticism, witchcraft, the occult, whatever you want to call it. Eastern Mysticism is part of this. The "many paths to God" line is a lie straight out of the mouth of Satan, the Father of Lies.

[ohme]

Originally Posted by parousia

It is sad: because it's a very clever deception which is robbing people of a real and personal relationship with God.

You think so?

God is a person:

Really? Have you seen God?

he is not a "source" or a state of higher consciousness.

Really? He must be pretty thick then, or have only the reptilian part of his brain functioning....that would make him quite an agressive little dicator btw.

God invites you to become his children by accepting salvation through his Son, Jesus Christ.

Really, God the inviter? Do we have to bring a bottle.....of water?

It isn't a "oneness" or a transcendent experience - it's a proper relationship with the one true living God.

Aaahh, not a silly "Oneness" and one of them transcendant thingies, but a proper relationship....right......aawwwww bless you!

I also understand that most people have to put a great deal of effort into obtaining this transcedence

Well ya know, a bit of discipline would be required. I know, we shouldn't.

- jumping through spiritual hoops so to speak. Why? Because they don't want to submit to God's authority and his will, but they want to feel something spiritual?

Now that's a conundrum. They want to feel something spiritual, but don't want God's will? To me that's an oxymoron. But I can already guess that you are going to bring satan into this, as a way of saying people that look for discipline and transcendance aren't aiming for God but the devil.

You don't have to transcend the physical to talk to God or to hear his answers.

Although the point was about there being no medium necessary, just our consciousness linking to Consciousness. Why don't you like the word consciousness? Are you sure you're not just judging something before you understand it's meaning? DO you think God is a zombie then?

And would thye NWO really want you to access higher spiritual consciousness?

The NWO has a spiritual aspect which is often overlooked in favour of politics or economics. At the top there is a priesthood whose power is demonic and who access this power through mysticism, witchcraft, the occult, whatever you want to call it. Eastern Mysticism is part of this. The "many paths to God" line is a lie straight out of the mouth of Satan, the Father of Lies.

Aaaah the Father of lies. Yes, there probably is a big belt of deceit consciousness circling this planet, from the millions of little pieces of BS wafting out of our heads every moment of the day. But this Father has to be a bloke too in your eyes right? Coz, there you were looking at him outta your window one day.

But do bear in mind, if you feel like it, that it can be personal for the individual (because wiithout the experiencer the experience is meaningless), but still be an Impersonal Source...and that is the master stroke that became manifest Life....now we need Love....and we get it by looking to the Light....and that will melt the belt of deceit that is bringing this planet down. It's US, not the bloody devil. It's US....and it will be US that will dispel the illusion.....through discipline of course.

That's ok though, I've known some reallly lovely christian people in real life, doing plenty of great work and not contributing a lot to that belt of deceit around this planet.

I feel for you though, because it really seems that the human race is evolving toward an understanding of the formless God. Looks lik the reign of kings (and Dick Tators) may be coming to an end.

[vibratingpickle]

Originally Posted by parousia

It is sad: because it's a very clever deception which is robbing people of a real and personal relationship with God. God is a person: he is not a "source" or a state of higher consciousness. God invites you to become his children by accepting salvation through his Son, Jesus Christ. It isn't a "oneness" or a transcendent experience - it's a proper relationship with the one true living God.

I also understand that most people have to put a great deal of effort into obtaining this transcedence - jumping through spiritual hoops so to speak. Why? Because they don't want to submit to God's authority and his will, but they want to feel something spiritual? You don't have to transcend the physical to talk to God or to hear his answers.



No thanks - I can't watch it again - listening to it gave me a headache!

The NWO has a spiritual aspect which is often overlooked in favour of politics or economics. At the top there is a priesthood whose power is demonic and who access this power through mysticism, witchcraft, the occult, whatever you want to call it. Eastern Mysticism is part of this. The "many paths to God" line is a lie straight out of the mouth of Satan, the Father of Lies.

What a load of crap. The only thing you got right is that God is a person. Every person. Every thing.

I really hope God doesn't start telling you to start killing the infidels. Notice how only Abrahamic religious nutters hear a voice of God commanding them to kill others in his name. Thousands of years of persecution, intolerance, and murder, are coming home to roost very soon now.

[octopusrex]

Cant wait to see it, but my computer is on the fritz.

[parousia]

Originally Posted by ohme

Now that's a conundrum. They want to feel something spiritual, but don't want God's will? To me that's an oxymoron. But I can already guess that you are going to bring satan into this, as a way of saying people that look for discipline and transcendance aren't aiming for God but the devil.

It's like you read my mind. Your way makes me think of a raindrop becoming part of a puddle. God isn't like that - he's separate - he's HOLY!

And would thye NWO really want you to access higher spiritual consciousness?

I feel for you though, because it really seems that the human race is evolving toward an understanding of the formless God. Looks lik the reign of kings (and Dick Tators) may be coming to an end.

See your comment above - they want to destroy Christianity and as they're doing the work of Satan they want as many of your souls as possible.

The human race is not evolving.

God is not formless - he's not a consciousness - this idea of cosmic union is a falsehood. You're being deceived.

Really? I think the age of dictators is about to get into full swing....

As a matter of interest - what do think will happen to your soul after you die? Do you think we all end up part of some sort of cosmic soup? If you've achieved transcendence in your lifetime - do you end up some different place to the "unenlightened"? (I'm not being facetious - I'm genuinely interested).

[parousia]

Originally Posted by vibratingpickle

What a load of crap. The only thing you got right is that God is a person. Every person. Every thing.

I really hope God doesn't start telling you to start killing the infidels. Notice how only Abrahamic religious nutters hear a voice of God commanding them to kill others in his name. Thousands of years of persecution, intolerance, and murder, are coming home to roost very soon now.

NO! God isn't every person - why on earth would you even want that to be true?

I most certainly will not start killing people in God's name - you have my word on that.

[parousia]

Originally Posted by ohme

Now that's a conundrum. They want to feel something spiritual, but don't want God's will? To me that's an oxymoron. But I can already guess that you are going to bring satan into this, as a way of saying people that look for discipline and transcendance aren't aiming for God but the devil.

Although the point was about there being no medium necessary, just our consciousness linking to Consciousness. Why don't you like the word consciousness? Are you sure you're not just judging something before you understand it's meaning? DO you think God is a zombie then?

I gather you've acheived this transcendence then? Did you feel vibrations (hear buzzing) and see a light? Did anyone speak to you? Did God make his presence known to you? (I'm just curious).

Perhaps I don't fully understand how consciousness can gain union with consciousness - or why you would think that it is God (specifically) you are experiencing rather than something else?

[parousia]

Kundalini yoga
This is the science which leads to the reawakening of the ajna chakra, reactivating the pineal gland and giving control over the powerful wayward endocrine glands of the body. It leads to a profound alteration in the hormonal secretions of the endocrine glands and a lowering of seratonin levels in the brain tissues. Rejuvenating the endocrine system allows us to regain the child's state of consciousness through the resulting alteration in brain biochemistry. This is the meaning of the awakening of kundalini - the ascent of the primal energy back up through the chakras, altering the glandular functions, until the sahasrara is awakened. This is the goal of yoga. It is the experience of cosmic consciousness or union with the divine.

How do you distinguish a "spiritual" experience from a bio-chemical reaction?

However, we need not be prisoners of our own brain biochemistry at all. We can expand our state of consciousness by reactivating the pineal gland, awakening the ajna chakra, opening the third eye -they are all the same process.

(http://www.yogamag.net/archives/1979...9/pineal.shtml)

What has altering your brain chemistry got to do with God?

[ohme]

Originally Posted by parousia

It's like you read my mind. Your way makes me think of a raindrop becoming part of a puddle. God isn't like that - he's separate - he's HOLY!

That's sweet. I'd accept being a wittle waindrop if it meant tasting that "salty" reality

You seem to know a lot about God and how seperate "he" is.

See your comment above - they want to destroy Christianity and as they're doing the work of Satan they want as many of your souls as possible.

On the other hand , the devil got its teeth well into the "pie" and has stunted many a soul...."No, don't go inside, it's evil". Is this showable? Sure, take a look around. You say the shit in this world is due to people who are looking for a Source of Being, a transcendent aspect of the material manifestations. I know that is a blind opinion, and not even true. We're just beginning to fully appreciate the immaterial nowadays. There's an extra element that is really helping, Quantum Mechanics and all the implications it carries. It will eventually show you up , Parousia, as fondling images in your head, through your ego, iconizing the formless into shape and personaility. It's in your head, and you tell us we are the sad ones for not being satisfied with these projections of the mind.

And you say God is not the source, even though all things manifest through God. WHo do you think you're kidding here?

The human race is not evolving.

I'm sorry to say you are completely wrong there. But thaat's no biggie really, because what you probably mean is that you are not evolving. And that is plain to see, considering the block you have.

God is not formless - he's not a consciousness - this idea of cosmic union is a falsehood. You're being deceived.

Am I? And you are not I take it. There is no known form that is not subject to the laws of duality, of growth and decay. You're simply not willing to use your reasoning fuculties, let alone see through the deceit that stops you moving in any real direction.

Really? I think the age of dictators is about to get into full swing....

What age of dictators? There has not been a time that dictators don't slice the guts of women and cut off the heads of babies, and innocent adults.
What are you talking about? Dictators are normally unopposed, or have the support of armies and police forces. These times are changing darling. It isn't guarenteed that we can loosen the grip of control, but it's in our hands to do so.

As a matter of interest - what do think will happen to your soul after you die?

I don't have to think much on that. I'm very assured of my spirit and its place in the scheme of things. I look forward to sojourning back in the spirit world for a while, much more than you can imagine.

Do you think we all end up part of some sort of cosmic soup?

Elaborate please.

If you've achieved transcendence in your lifetime - do you end up some different place to the "unenlightened"? (I'm not being facetious - I'm genuinely interested).

No my dear....the answer is that enlightenment sees only enlightenment, and so your scenario cannot possibly exist. Instead, unenlightenment exists only in those that view their own light as enlightenment, instead of the Light that brings light to them,. And that's why I liked the video, ánd understoood it, and also understand how it isn't possible presently for you to, That's fine. I know you and all of us will find union with the Creator.

[ohme]

Originally Posted by parousia

I gather you've acheived this transcendence then? Did you feel vibrations (hear buzzing) and see a light? Did anyone speak to you? Did God make his presence known to you? (I'm just curious).

No I don't do buzz and stuff like that. But I have had experiences of the nature you are trying to suggest.

Perhaps I don't fully understand how consciousness can gain union with consciousness

That's really because you don't understand what undifferentiated means. You still want things sliced up into individual portions. You wish to understand a spiritual immaterial without medium process within the context of a material medium. Until you twig the true nature of infinite/eternal , you can only think in forms. You can only think.

- or why you would think that it is God (specifically) you are experiencing rather than something else?

Because I always get given bread rather than snakes. I'm not drawn to the devil, or into deceiving myself. I've lived a large portion of this life taking on the desires of what is our lower nature. I am in the eternal love and protection of the Creator, not because he has big boots and will beat up my enemiies, but because this awareness itself is the Light that destroys the darkness.

PS....you're waiting for him to come and touch you. But the access you deny.

[dharmanation]

I'm really happy that people seem to be enjoying his video. For those who want to explore the topic much deeper, the video represents about 3% of what's in his book by the same name, "The Vedic Way of Knowing God":

http://www.dharmacentral.com/dharmas...nowing_God.php

Love and Light to All

[dharmanation]

Here is a nice review of the book done by a physics professor.


VEDIC WISDOM MADE ACCESSIBLE FOR THE 21st CENTURY

A Review of the book "The Vedic Way of Knowing God" by Sri Dharma Pravartaka Acharya

By Daniel Wilkins, Ph.D.
Chair, Physics Department
University of Nebraska at Omaha

WHO AM I?: I am a physicist who has taught undergrads for the past 28 years at a university in the Midwest. I am not a scholar of South Asian religions let alone of Sanskrit. But neither am I a complete ignoramus. From twenty-plus years of following the Christianity-cum-Raja Yoga teachings of Paramahansa Yogananda, I picked up some elements of the Vedic philosophy and some common Sanskrit terms. In brief, my level of familiarity with Vedic thought is that of a weekend spiritual warrior—or perhaps not even at that level.

WHAT THIS BOOK IS NOT: I enjoyed this book very much. But I have to speak out against the outlandish hype of the Product Description. Contrary to the latter, this book does not belong to the self-help genre. Unlike the countless offerings crowding the bookstores, this book does not offer any quick-fix techniques, recipes , or “magic pills” for enlightenment. If that is what you are looking for, you can pick up a book by Deepak Chopra, Eckhart Tolle, Don Miguel Ruiz, or so many others.

WHAT THIS BOOK IS: This is a thoughtful and beautifully crafted discussion of Vedic epistemology, the study of how we think and acquire knowledge. It focuses on the writings of one Hindu pundit of the 15th century, Jiva Goswami. Jiva was a disciple of the great bhakta Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, and therefore belonged to the Gaudiya Vaishnava lineage associated with that master. The author, Dr. Frank Morales (Sri Dharma Pravartaka Acharya), lays out Goswami’s deep thinking on the means we use to acquire knowledge (in Sanskrit, the so-called “pramanas,”). He also impartially critiques a controversial point in Jiva’s thesis, namely his promoting of a certain Vedic scripture (the Bhagavata Purana) as the best doorway, in this degenerate age of Kali Yuga, to the scriptural revelations of India.

IS IT ONLY FOR SCHOLARS? Dr. Morales is a deeply learned acharya-guru and this book is based on his Ph.D. thesis. Hearing that, one might expect a dry and dusty tome, dense with footnotes, printed in 9-point type, and focused on appallingly tiny minutiae that only a “microscopist” could love! Fortunately that is not the case. The book strikes a superb balance between the rigor demanded by a scholar, and the approachability required by a lay reader. Without in any way dumbing down the discussion—and sincere discussions of theology require the sharpest language and logic we are capable of—the author has made this a friendly, ingratiating book in every way possible: a) the layout is inviting and comfortable, with large , dark type, and plenty of white space, b) all the Sanskrit terms are transliterated into the English alphabet, and there is a helpful Sanskrit glossary at the back, c) with his crystal-clear style of teaching, the author summarizes broad elements of Vedic thinking as they are needed, d) in chapter 7, he compares and contrasts Vedic and Buddhistic approaches, and e) in chapter 8, he sketches the similarities and differences between Vedic and Euro-American thinkers. No minutiae here, just fundamental concerns that have engrossed great thinkers, East and West, for millennia.

WHO COULD ENJOY THIS BOOK? I am only a spiritual dilettante myself, bookish and with an interest in the spiritual heritage of India, especially of the orthodox Vedantic variety. I think any thoughtful reader who has felt the charm and fascination of Indian thought might give this book a try. But I should add three cautions:

A) The first chapter, which lays out the scholarly background, did not draw me in—maybe it was too detailed. But once I hit the broader conceptual issues of the second chapter, I was hooked and had a hard time putting the book down;

B) The author sprinkles his discussion with high-level vocabulary. He does this not to so to show off his erudition, but because the abstruse subject matter demands the right linguistic tools. If occasional words like “epistemology,” “ontic,” “normative,” or “noumenal” cause you to pause, then there is a simple solution: keep a dictionary at hand as you read.

C) This book is not for the intellectually weak or lazy. If you would rather relax with TV instead of reading a good book, then count yourself out. But this book may be just your speed, if you: a) have a keen, open-minded interest in spiritual culture, b) read book/arts reviews in the New York Times with gusto, c) often like to engage in muscular reading – reading for self-development, and d) are beginning to grow weary of new age/self help books that promise more than they can deliver.

But, that being said, if you qualify, you are in for a treat. You will find, as I did, that this book is not only a gem, but that it constitutes an easy introduction to the sweeping world view of the Indian sages. Dr. Morales’ book goes a long way in making accessible to westerners a philosophy previously shrouded in an impenetrable fog of antiquity, and a strange, difficult foreign tongue.

Original review article: http://www.dharmacentral.com/forum/c...2-vedic-wisdom

[parousia]

Originally Posted by ohme

You seem to know a lot about God and how seperate "he" is.

Yes I do.

On the other hand , the devil got its teeth well into the "pie" and has stunted many a soul...."No, don't go inside, it's evil". Is this showable? Sure, take a look around. You say the shit in this world is due to people who are looking for a Source of Being, a transcendent aspect of the material manifestations. I know that is a blind opinion, and not even true. We're just beginning to fully appreciate the immaterial nowadays. There's an extra element that is really helping, Quantum Mechanics and all the implications it carries. It will eventually show you up , Parousia, as fondling images in your head, through your ego, iconizing the formless into shape and personaility. It's in your head, and you tell us we are the sad ones for not being satisfied with these projections of the mind.

And you say God is not the source, even though all things manifest through God. WHo do you think you're kidding here?

You're the one limiting God, not me.

What age of dictators? There has not been a time that dictators don't slice the guts of women and cut off the heads of babies, and innocent adults.
What are you talking about? Dictators are normally unopposed, or have the support of armies and police forces. These times are changing darling. It isn't guarenteed that we can loosen the grip of control, but it's in our hands to do so.

That's probably for a different thread on the NWO.

I don't have to think much on that. I'm very assured of my spirit and its place in the scheme of things. I look forward to sojourning back in the spirit world for a while, much more than you can imagine.

You don't believe in Heaven and Hell then I take it? You think we'll just become one with the universe?

You're sad for me - but I'm more sad for you. The bible says that the things of God seem like foolishness to unbelievers and it's true - I'm sorry I couldn't help you.

[vibratingpickle]

Originally Posted by parousia

How do you distinguish a "spiritual" experience from a bio-chemical reaction?


What has altering your brain chemistry got to do with God?

Why do you suppose Manna from God was a psychotropic mushroom? Every culture that has a plant of the gods uses a psychotropic for religious reasons. Not any different, other than you guys forgot what it was.

Gen 32:30
And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.

How do you suppose the (peniel) gland can see the face of God?

[octopusrex]

Originally Posted by vibratingpickle

Why do you suppose Manna from God was a psychotropic mushroom? Every culture that has a plant of the gods uses a psychotropic for religious reasons. Not any different, other than you guys forgot what it was.

Gen 32:30
And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.

How do you suppose the (peniel) gland can see the face of God?

Thats easy. I got some salad shrooms out here... try some and that will answer yer question.

[ohme]

Originally Posted by parousia

Yes I do.

Well perhaps this would be a great opportunity for you to tell us all about him.

You're the one limiting God, not me.

Well that's what I've come to know as a "logos" moment on this forum. So how do you figure that it is me limiting God, and not you?

You don't believe in Heaven and Hell then I take it? You think we'll just become one with the universe?

This is for you to "take it". And, we already are. When you realize it is up to you.

You're sad for me - but I'm more sad for you. The bible says that the things of God seem like foolishness to unbelievers and it's true - I'm sorry I couldn't help you.

Foolishness seems like foolishness. You have so far been a denier and a judger with no understanding of that which you judge. Now you elevate yourself above me YET again, with an arrogance you don't even understand.
And yet again, I meet a christian unable to hold down a simple discusssion because of their blocked ears and eyes. I don't wish to be a party to the bringing down of this thread, so all the best parousia.