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Old 26-12-2007, 07:38 PM   #1
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Default Micheal Tsarion and the Rosicrucian Connection

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Michael Tsarion, is he a Rosicrucian? Is that a degree offered by the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry? Is their goal the unification of world religions for their world government? Was he trained to be a "world teacher" by the theosophical society? Is his agenda "kind of like" or exactly that of the Illuminati networks?

Chris White questions Tsarion and his motives. Who is he promotted by, what is his real beliefs, why does he attack those that question him. Does he act like someone that has nothing to hide? Use your own judgement.
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Old 26-12-2007, 08:52 PM   #2
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Some very intresting dots connected. I wonder how many MTsar fans will take the time to listen to all 49mins?.
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Old 26-12-2007, 10:33 PM   #3
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Thanks for posting this, it was a great listen. I am by no means an expert on Tsarion and have never found myself drawn to him or much of what he has said, but this has me interested. It may be useful to find out a bit more about his possible agenda.

I am admittedly a novice when it comes to 'conspiracy research', I have just started and already it can be confusing as to who is perhaps controlled opposition and what is disinformation.
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Old 26-12-2007, 10:46 PM   #4
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If Tsarion is secretly promoted or funded by the world's most powerful, why does he hawk his tarot reading skills for such large amounts of money?

And yeah White must be right about the massive campaign to discredit the bible...it's a real booming campaign...not

I've heard Tsarion bash the royal family, politicians, governments, the media, authoity of all kinds, religion, father figures, corporations...but I have never heard him suggest or advocate a one world religion.

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Old 26-12-2007, 10:48 PM   #5
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Martin Luther was a rosicrucian.

As of course was Bacon who some credit with the authorship of Shakespeares works and the 1611 AV Bible

Neither of them provided me with some of the tools needed to discern and truly learn things for myself, if Tsarion wasn't such a maverick it might worry me that he may be affiliated with a secret order

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Old 26-12-2007, 10:55 PM   #6
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Martin Luther was a rosicrucian.
What evidence do you have for that, not that I'd want to disagree with you. Far from it on this! I came across some strong evidence that Luther was a Rosicrucian but I can't remember what the evidence was, so if anyone has some info handy, it would be appreciated!

The Church of England is controlled and headed by a Masonic royal family and their high priests in black and also colourful, iridescent robes. No wonders there!
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Old 26-12-2007, 10:56 PM   #7
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MT was on Coast 2 Coast the past week. I liked what he said. I've also heard him talk about teaching school kids how to build esteem by showing them the subliminal programing in the commercials and revealing to them how they are controled by preasure from outside influences. I suppose to yourself he may be dangerous NWO but I'm not really convinced he's as dangerous as a burning Bush.
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Old 26-12-2007, 11:21 PM   #8
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Martin Luther, Bacon & the Rosicrucians

by Dr. Leonard G. Horowitz

Several other authors relayed that the Illuminati and the Rosicrucians were the driving force behind the esoteric religious movements of the 17th and 18th centuries. According to Webster's Dictionary, "Christian Rosenkreutz (NL Rosae Crucis)" was the "reputed 15th cent. founder of the movement (1624)... a devotee of esoteric wisdom with emphasis on psychic and spiritual enlightenment..." Their manifestos, fervently supported by the liberal factions of Protestants in Europe, inflamed the leaders of the Catholic Church and the Jesuits. "Among the most eloquent and influential exponents of Rosicrucian thought was Robert Fludd"-the Prieuré de Sion's sixteenth grand master.

The Jesuit and Church backlashes that resulted in the persecution of the Cathars and Templars also helped spark Martin Luther's rebellion. "Martin Luther also had close links to both the Illuminati and the Rosicrucians," wrote van Helsing. Luther's friends recognized the Rosicrucian seal he wore that contained a rose and a cross with his initials. "After Luther's death, his confessional community was supported by Francis Bacon," the highest-ranking Rosicrucian in England, and, the general architect of the King James Bible.

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*The Reformation split and destabilized the Roman Catholic Church so that it no longer had the manpower to prosecute heretics.

“[I]n 1546...Rosslyn...chapel's centenary year, the Church of Rome was in a bit of a tizzy. Catholicism was under siege by a new and troublesome adversary—the Reformation. In one fell swoop, the Christian world was cleft in twain. No longer would Rome be able to raise great armies from its subject nations to crush heresies wherever the Papal finger pointed. There was no longer just one big boy on the block. Another had moved in. The mightiest church the world had ever known had been ‘divided’ and ‘conquered’.” - "Rosslyn Chapel Revisited"
http://www.watch.pair.com/reformation.html#luther

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Luther was an Augustinian monk of the Strict Observance in a German monastery.

*"Strict Observance" was the name given by Baron von Hund, a German Templar, to the 33rd degree of Scottish Rite Freemasonry.

"1743...Baron von Hund said he had been commissioned to set up lodges of Strict Observance in Germany and to promulgate 'true' Freemasonry under a system known as 'Strict Observance' because the oath of the Apprentice Mason included a vow of absolute obedience to 'unknown superiors.' The idea of a chivalric order, strict obedience, and a secret grand master must have had great appeal in Germany, because over the next twenty years, the new order promoted by von Hund spread like wild fire, and extended from Germany to almost every country of continental Europe."

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Luther's personal seal was a Rosicrucian symbol.


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Compare the equal-armed Rosicrucian cross with the occult symbols on Luther's wax seal and the sanitized Lutheran Church version.

(right) Ancient wax seal, shown inverted, with the inscription "D: M. Luther"(?) and alchemical symbols (Pallas, Earth & Mercury or Salt, Sulfur & Mercury or spiritus, amimas & corpus, found in Rhone River, Germany.

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*The five petalled rose on Martin Luther's seal was a pentagram, a symbol which represented the Goddess.


"The pentacle as a symbol of the feminine principle was embodied by the rose. The small, five petalled roses found in many gothic cathedral ornamentation are not-so-secret pentagrams:


"The pentagram was...an expression of a secret Gnostic heresy, found hidden here and there throughout Christian history - a symbol of Isis/Venus as the secret goddess, the female principle. The most notable instance of this symbolism is in the Arthurian Grail romances, which are Gnostic and kabbalistic teachings disguised as tales of knightly quests."

*Martin Luther commended the Hermetic science of alchemy which was man's attempt to become divine by means of sorcery.

"The science of alchymy I like very well, and indeed, 'tis the philosophy of the ancients. I like it not only for the profits it brings in melting metals, in decocting, preparing, extracting and distilling herbs, roots; I like it also for the sake of the allegory and secret signification, which is exceedingly fine, touching the resurrection of the dead at the last day." - Martin Luther, "Table Talk," "Lyndy Abraham's 'Dictionary of Alchemical Imagery'".

"...Martin Luther is quoted for praising Alchemy, 'not only for its practicle utility but for its verification of church doctrines'...

"If Alchemy was indeed the quest for mystic communion with the essential archetypal process of nature then the adept sought to recapitulate this creative process with symbolically affective laboratory gestures and chemical manipulations and of course, with the indispensable cooperation of Providence. Just as all life evolves toward Divine Perfection, so too do metals evolve toward gold. It is this essential process of evolution that the alchemist accelerates with the product of his labor, the catalytic Philosopher's Stone, the red powder that transmutes base metal into purest gold. The enigmatic reality behind such a magnum opus can not be explained but only demonstrated. In just such a manner religious gnosis demands direct personal experience rather than pedestrian faith." - "Who Were the Alchemists?"

*Luther's seal appeared a century later on a Rosicrucian Manifesto, The Chemical Wedding of Christian Rosenkreutz, authored by Johann Andrea who was Grand Master of the Prieuré de Sion from 1637-1654.

“Luther’s crest with a black cross on a red heart upon a white rose…set beside an expansion on the letters, F. R. C., Futurae Reformatio Catholicae, signifying a hope for a future Universal Reformation, similar to that heralded by the first Rosicrucian texts from Tübingen.”

"F.R.C. or Frater Rosae Crucis is the title awarded to advanced members of the Rosicrucian Order. This title is awarded specifically to advanced members of the AMORC or Ancient Mystical Order Rosæ Crucis. Through years of study the Rosicrucian who has progressed to this level is understood to be at the master level of understanding the teachings presented by this organization. For this reason, only those who have been formally initiated into the 10th Degree of the order are allowed to attach F.R.C. to their name."

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Luther and the de Medici Popes may have collaborated to "precipitate a schism" in the Roman Catholic Church.

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1517, October 31 - Reformation Day - Martin Luther nailed his Ninety-Five Theses to door of Wittenberg Chapel.

"Medici . . .Italian family that directed the destinies of Florence from the 15th cent. until 1737. Of obscure origin, they rose to immense wealth as merchants and bankers, became affiliated through marriage with the major houses of Europe, and, besides acquiring (1569) the title Grand Duke of Tuscany produced three popes (Leo X, Clement XII and Leo XI) [, two queens of France (Catherine de Medici and Marie de Medici), and several cardinals of the Roman Catholic Church." (Columbia Encyclopedia)

Giovanni de' Medici, as Pope Leo X, deliberately bankrupted the Vatican and inaugurated sale of indulgences to make up the deficit; this papal abuse provoked the Germans and set the stage for Martin Luther's 99 Theses which led to the Reformation.
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"Leo had gained the pope's crown through a solemn vow to discontinue Pope Julius' use of usury and indulgences. But the new basilica built in the Apostle's name could not be finished unless he expanded the indulgence scheme beyond all previous excesses of Sixtus IV. . .
"Leo expected that volume rather than a high retail price for fewer indulgences would haul in a Calvary sized mountain of money, burn off the bills of his lavish life and projects in Rome.
"What it did instead was incite the Protestant Reformation.
"The Church authorities across the German states, could say, ran a syndicate over the sinful laity. Taxes imposed by this papal Mafia of the German soul had already collected half the wealth in Germany. One more indulgence fleecing from the pope broke the camel's back of the Church's credibility. For centuries Christians had endured spiritual neglect from the popes of Rome until the climate was right for one Augustinian monk named Martin Luther to galvanize the resentment of millions of average Christians into a spiritual rebellion.
"In 1517 Luther wrote a pamphlet on indulgences and other essays critical of papal abuses followed. . .
"Three years later, in 1520, Leo X brushed Luther off with a condemnation of heresy, thinking that it would put the errant priest and his movement in its place. Even Niccolo Machiavelli (1469-1527), one of the pope's advisors, did not take Martin Luther's cult seriously."
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The Reformation effected a marriage of convenience between Rosicrucianism and Protestantism, which was influenced by Rosicrucian philosophy.

“...according to Schuchard, 'current scholarship suggests composite authorship by Andrae and his colleagues at Tubingen'. Here we have an author who is very shrewd, he presents an appeasement (wedding), ie., a Marriage of Alchemy (Intelligentsia of Europe) with the new Protestantism of Europe for political acceptance of the Religious Brotherhood...

“...THE OFFSPRING, of the Manifestos, was the Rosicrucian philosophy that influenced Protestant Europe for the next several centuries...

“Hence, may we say that ‘Rosicrucians’ were people who enjoyed the mystical and esoteric way of life which eventually led to the Church’s reform. To overcome the Church’s label of Heresy they enveiled their thoughts within the science of Alchemy. This concept (destruction of the total control of the Papacy) which began with Luther, included the 30-year War (1618-1648) and reached the public with the publication of the so-called ‘rosicrucian manifesto’, The FAMA.

“CRC was NEVER a person, rather it was an Intellectual Movement (of 100 years) which roughly spanned 1517 (when Luther nailed his Theses to the Church door) to 1614 (production of the Fama).” - “What is Christian Rosencreutz?" (SRIA, Societas Rosicrucian in Anglia)
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Ignatius of Loyola, founder of the Illuminati and the Jesuits who led the Counter-Reformation, was a Marrano Jew.

“The first known Illuminati order (Alumbrado) was founded in 1492 by Spanish Jews, called ‘Marranos,’ who were also known as ‘crypto-Jews.’ With violent persecution in Spain and Portugal beginning in 1391, hundreds of thousands of Jews had been forced to convert to the faith of the Roman Catholic Church. Publicly they were now Roman Catholics, but secretly they practiced Judaism, including following the Talmud and the Cabala. The Marranos were able to teach their children secretly about Judaism, but in particular the Talmud and the Cabala, and this huge group of Jews has survived to this very day. After 1540 many Marranos opted to flee to England, Holland, France, the Ottoman empire (Turkey), Brazil and other places in South and Central America. The Marranos kept strong family ties and they became very wealthy and influential in the nations where they lived. But as is the custom with all Jewish people, it did not matter in what nation they lived, their loyalty was to themselves and Judaism.”
http://www.watch.pair.com/reformation.html#ignatius

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Calvin was also a Jew and an agent of the Prieuré de Sion.
“‘We are the Fathers of all Revolutions, even of those which sometimes happen to turn against us. We are the supreme Masters of Peace and War. We can boast of being the Creators of the Reformation! Calvin was one of our children; he was of Jewish descent, and was entrusted by Jewish authority and encouraged with Jewish finance to draft his scheme in the reformation (which was to convince Christians it was alright to charge usury and other damnable heresies which are in violation of God's Laws).

“‘Martin Luther yielded to the influence of his Jewish friends unknowingly, and again, by Jewish authority, and with Jewish finance, his plot against the Catholic Church met with success. But unfortunately he discovered the deception, and became a threat to us, so we disposed of him as we have so many others who dare to oppose us...
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“’Let us remember that as long as there still remain active enemies of the Christian Church, we may hope to become Master of the World ...And let us remember always that the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown...’” (From a series of speeches at the B'nai B'rith Convention in Paris, published shortly afterwards in the London Catholic Gazette, February, 1936; Paris Le Reveil du Peuple published similar account a little later).
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"Now Martin Luther and John Calvin have all made it abundantly clear that they did not think of the church formation which they saw growing up in their lifetime as the last word. On the contrary, they all thought in terms of the Church Catholic and prayed for the restoration of the full catholicity and unity of the church." (Harold E. Fey, History of the Ecumenical Movement, Vol. II, p. 123)
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“Calvin was vicious toward his enemies, acting more like a devouring wolf than a harmless sheep. Historian William Jones observed that ‘that most hateful feature of popery adhered to Calvin through life, the spirit of persecution.’ Note how he described his theological opponents: ‘...all that filth and villainy...mad dogs who vomit their filth against the majesty of God and want to pervert all religion. Must they be spared?’ (Oct. 16, 1555). He hated the Anabaptists and called them ‘henchmen of Satan.’ Four men who disagreed with him on who should be admitted to the Lord's Supper were beheaded, quartered, and their body parts hung in strategic locations in Geneva as a warning to others. He burned Michael Servetus (for rejecting infant baptism and for denying Christ’s deity). Calvin wrote about Servetus, ‘One should not be content with simply killing such people, but should burn them cruelly.’” (FBIS, “The Calvinism Debate”)
http://www.watch.pair.com/reformation.html#calvin

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http://illusionsforum.net/phpbb3/vie...php?f=45&t=998

above is the link to the topic of the radio show in the google link. Its on illusions. The author, trusouljah hasnt been around in a long time - hope he is well, it was a great piece of work, as was a lot of the stuff he did over on the old illusions forum before we moved.
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I always thought it was odd that Tsarion had Rosicrucian connections, not the mention many of the other dodgy contacts in his life...

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Michael Tsarion is a maverick. I always listen to what the mavericks have to say, especially when there seems to be a deliberate campaign to discredit them.

It has been my experience that the "mavericks" often know 'stuff' others haven't even got close to yet.

Power to the mavericks!
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I always thought it was odd that Tsarion had Rosicrucian connections, not the mention many of the other contacts in his life...
Does his connections automatically give him a malevolent purpose. Maybe he uses his connections for resource information. The Rosicrucians have been around a long time and have a large data base to use for research. Does this mean he is NWO tyranical scum?
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Michael Tsarion is a maverick. I always listen to what the mavericks have to say, especially when there seems to be a deliberate campaign to discredit them.

It has been my experience that the "mavericks" often know 'stuff' others haven't even got close to yet.

Power to the mavericks!
Of course it's wise to be aware of what anyone says who says interesting things. Take Albert Pike, for example. Although Pike had a great deal of knowledge, it doesn't mean he didn't have a Luciferian agenda. I would like to hear how Tsarion fully explaines his Luciferian upbringing, his affiliations with Rosicrucians and the numerous elite figures that obviously coached him to become who he's now known as...
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Michael Tsarion is a maverick. I always listen to what the mavericks have to say, especially when there seems to be a deliberate campaign to discredit them.

It has been my experience that the "mavericks" often know 'stuff' others haven't even got close to yet.

Power to the mavericks!
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Michael Tsarion is a maverick. I always listen to what the mavericks have to say, especially when there seems to be a deliberate campaign to discredit them.

It has been my experience that the "mavericks" often know 'stuff' others haven't even got close to yet.


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That's not dissimilar to saying power to the illuminati...
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That's not dissimilar to saying power to the illuminati...
Tsarion gets my full support, the Illuminati do not.

that is all I am saying.
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Tsarion gets my full support, the Illuminati do not.

that is all I am saying.
What if it came to your attention that Michael Tsarion was an agent of the Illuminati, or manipulated the Illuminati ?. Would he still have your full support?.
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What if it came to your attention that Michael Tsarion was an agent of the Illuminati, or manipulated the Illuminati ?. Would he still have your full support?.
I've listen to MT on the radio. I've been to his web site and downloaded scores of info. If he's a secret agent of the illuminati then why does he continuely speak out against them? Why does always spout off that he is opposed to evil of all kinds? I suppose he could be manipulated but its strange to me that he stears the listeners away from wanting a NWO or global governance of any kind.
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