only the English have to pay for prescriptions

[john devine]

Originally Posted by skaff

Why do you refuse to enter the debate and just insult? I have made valid points and can provide proof of all of the above and all you say is 'rubbish'.

It is a fact that the Barnett formula is flawed. It is a fact that Scotland has introduced fees for English Students in Scottish Universities. I havent started on prescription charges, postcode lottery that means those in care pay less if north of the border, scottish politicians making decisions that affect english only laws whilst voting on their own 'rights' with UK and not Scottish money.

You claim you have single handedly saved England from Bankrupcy while the shadow of RBS and HBOS still casts a darkness over us all.

Feel free to say 'rubbish' and 'drivel' again. However, as i said at the start, i would prefer an honest open debate. I hope you provide something more substantial this time.

i refuse to debate with you due to you continuing to post drivel/lies.

and, if you don't like how things are in your beloved england you have many options as does everyone else, two of which are to leave or vote to break up the uk and become independent.

it isn't my concern what you choose to do.

[skaff]

Originally Posted by john devine

i refuse to debate with you due to you continuing to post drivel/lies.

and, if you don't like how things are in your beloved england you have many options as does everyone else, two of which are to leave or vote to break up the uk and become independent.

it isn't my concern what you choose to do.

I think you have shown both your viewpoint and mentality very well. I shall leave you be then and bid you well.

[firepoet]

Originally Posted by skaff

Why do you refuse to enter the debate and just insult? I have made valid points and can provide proof of all of the above and all you say is 'rubbish'.

It is a fact that the Barnett formula is flawed. It is a fact that Scotland has introduced fees for English Students in Scottish Universities. I havent started on prescription charges, postcode lottery that means those in care pay less if north of the border, scottish politicians making decisions that affect english only laws whilst voting on their own 'rights' with UK and not Scottish money.

You claim you have single handedly saved England from Bankrupcy while the shadow of RBS and HBOS still casts a darkness over us all.

Feel free to say 'rubbish' and 'drivel' again. However, as i said at the start, i would prefer an honest open debate. I hope you provide something more substantial this time.

The Barnett Formula was an adhoc temporary revenue funding system based on Scotland devolving from the Union. Scottish North Sea oil was discovered and now we've had an unfair system in place for 30+ years.

The Barnett formula states as a UK tax payer for every £1, I pay the government £0.05 goes to Wales, £0.10 goes to Scotland and £0.85 goes to England. So my little Sassenach chum that mean we in Scotland and Wales are subsidising your English ass.

If Scotland lost as much as you seem to believe we'd be out of the Union faster than you can say independence.

In regards to HBOS and RBS I and every other Scottish tax payer will pay £26,000 to cover that nightmare , and guess what at the end of the day it's parliament which gets to control the shares of those banks not Holyrood.

The question you should now be asking yourself is, if you're receiving more money than Scotland and Wales with the added bonus of free oil and gas, why can't your parliament offer you free prescriptions and free education?

An old Scottish saying which is apt for this thread "don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining".

[oioioi]

You seeking equality for all then grem?

[skaff]

Originally Posted by firepoet

The Barnett Formula was an adhoc temporary revenue funding system based on Scotland devolving from the Union. Scottish North Sea oil was discovered and now we've had an unfair system in place for 30+ years.

The Barnett formula states as a UK tax payer for every £1, I pay the government £0.05 goes to Wales, £0.10 goes to Scotland and £0.85 goes to England. So my little Sassenach chum that mean we in Scotland and Wales are subsidising your English ass.

If Scotland lost as much as you seem to believe we'd be out of the Union faster than you can say independence.

In regards to HBOS and RBS I and every other Scottish tax payer will pay £26,000 to cover that nightmare , and guess what at the end of the day it's parliament which gets to control the shares of those banks not Holyrood.

The question you should now be asking yourself is, if you're receiving more money than Scotland and Wales with the added bonus of free oil and gas, why can't your parliament offer you free prescriptions and free education?

An old Scottish saying which is apt for this thread "don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining".

Finally an informed response from someone!! Thank you

Your point on HBOS and RBS is an interesting one that i was not aware of. Do you have a link for that please. Note though that i wasn't suggesting for a minute that Scotland should pay for that banking fiasco, just that attributing huge conglomerates to Nationalities is problematic.

As for your breakdown of government money, the current population of the uk stands at 84% English, 8.5% Scottish Wales 5% and NI <3% so it would appear that this subsidy you claim seems a little short changed even before we debate Barnett v Oil revenues.

Your point on questioning our own government's decisions on prescriptions is absolutely correct. I think the issue though is(and we are only talking hypothetically here) If a bully took someone's dinner money to pay for their own meals you wouldnt tell them to blame their parents for not giving them enough cash!

Somewhere between the English and the Scottish argument is the truth. It may well be the fault of the UK government in failing to recognise the need for an English assembly but that doesnt make the English feel any better does it!! Then when we hear those who are better off than us conplain they are unfairly treated it does tend to hit a nerve! That isn't an unfair statement is it?

[al_chemy]

Originally Posted by soleil

Surely the Scottish Parliament, the Welsh and NI assemblies receive a budget from Westminister which takes the tax from all of the UK. If these devolved authorities choose to spend some of this money on free prescriptions, then that's less money to be spent elsewhere.

How do the Scottish and Welsh MPs support the English gubment in return?
By aligning to their party policies so they can rule (change laws by majority) in the house of conmens without issue?
Buying them off, money for votes.

[firepoet]

Originally Posted by skaff

Finally an informed response from someone!! Thank you

Your point on HBOS and RBS is an interesting one that i was not aware of. Do you have a link for that please. Note though that i wasn't suggesting for a minute that Scotland should pay for that banking fiasco, just that attributing huge conglomerates to Nationalities is problematic.

As for your breakdown of government money, the current population of the uk stands at 84% English, 8.5% Scottish Wales 5% and NI <3% so it would appear that this subsidy you claim seems a little short changed even before we debate Barnett v Oil revenues.

Your point on questioning our own government's decisions on prescriptions is absolutely correct. I think the issue though is(and we are only talking hypothetically here) If a bully took someone's dinner money to pay for their own meals you wouldnt tell them to blame their parents for not giving them enough cash!

Somewhere between the English and the Scottish argument is the truth. It may well be the fault of the UK government in failing to recognise the need for an English assembly but that doesnt make the English feel any better does it!! Then when we hear those who are better off than us conplain they are unfairly treated it does tend to hit a nerve! That isn't an unfair statement is it?

The Barnett Formula does not include trade, Industry, growth or regional taxes. So it will never represent a true proportional system of what we all put in and what we all take out.

I agree, England needs it's own assembly to represent it's own people, I don't believe you're been represented fairly by Westminster or your own politicians. How the hell can a Scottish MP fairly vote on an English issue?

Westminster is more interested in subsidising pointless wars than offering you free education and health.

[firepoet]

Originally Posted by al_chemy

How do the Scottish and Welsh MPs support the English gubment in return?
By aligning to their party policies so they can rule (change laws by majority) in the house of conmens without issue?
Buying them off, money for votes.

+1, it's all about the benjamins.

Scotland, England and Wales fighting over the scraps at the table, while we are being robbed blind by the basturds at the EU.

[john devine]

Originally Posted by firepoet

England needs its own assembly to represent its own people, i do not believe that you are being represented fairly by Westminster or your own politicians. How the hell can a Scottish MP be trusted to vote fairly on an English issue?

+1

[olas]

Originally Posted by gremlin

From today, only the English have to pay for prescriptions (and no, that's not an April Fool's joke!)

Scottish patients can collect free prescriptions from today – leaving England as the only country in the UK still charging for them.

English patients will be charged £7.40 for every item prescribed by a doctor – an increase of 20p – but Scotland today joins Wales and Northern Ireland in abolishing the charges.

The move means that English patients are effectively subsiding free drugs for those living elsewhere in the UK.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...#ixzz1IGOPGTDA

What about the Bl**k people in london or the immigrants in london, do they have to pay or is it free for them. I mean I have say 10% scottish blood in me so surely I can get a 10% discount. Love it though this is just another shot at divide and rule

That´s the way that a good doctor can be freed from the Pharma´s slavement...

[skaff]

Originally Posted by firepoet

The Barnett Formula does not include trade, Industry, growth or regional taxes. So it will never represent a true proportional system of what we all put in and what we all take out.

I agree, England needs it's own assembly to represent it's own people, I don't believe you're been represented fairly by Westminster or your own politicians. How the hell can a Scottish MP fairly vote on an English issue?

Westminster is more interested in subsidising pointless wars than offering you free education and health.

I think devolution was the wedge that eventually will lead to to the breakdown of the Union. Now i fully understand that this is something that many crave but i do genuinely believe that all of us would be the poorer for it. I may well be in the minority but i do believe that we were stronger than the sum of our parts. Now that the decision making is divided however i think a break up is inevitable. Let's just hope we get throught this current economic crises before it happens.

[sannox]

Originally Posted by gremlin

From today, only the English have to pay for prescriptions (and no, that's not an April Fool's joke!)

Scottish patients can collect free prescriptions from today – leaving England as the only country in the UK still charging for them.

English patients will be charged £7.40 for every item prescribed by a doctor – an increase of 20p – but Scotland today joins Wales and Northern Ireland in abolishing the charges.

The move means that English patients are effectively subsiding free drugs for those living elsewhere in the UK.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...#ixzz1IGOPGTDA

What about the Bl**k people in london or the immigrants in london, do they have to pay or is it free for them. I mean I have say 10% scottish blood in me so surely I can get a 10% discount. Love it though this is just another shot at divide and rule

who by , you ?

[sannox]

Originally Posted by skaff

I think devolution was the wedge that eventually will lead to to the breakdown of the Union. Now i fully understand that this is something that many crave but i do genuinely believe that all of us would be the poorer for it. I may well be in the minority but i do believe that we were stronger than the sum of our parts. Now that the decision making is divided however i think a break up is inevitable. Let's just hope we get throught this current economic crises before it happens.

so who do we vote for up north labour what about torys
lib dems maybe they seem honest enough

if your going to waste your time might aswell do it big style i suppose
and follow traditional thinking ,face palm .

[dawnbreak]

Scotland has not introduced increased fee's for English students

This was debated, on the shirt-tails of 'what happens if everyone in England now applies to Scottish Universities' and was picked up by the Daily Mail (surprise)

The free prescription charge has had mixed reception. The budget for health is a fixed amount, and we have not been advised which area will see cut's to fund this expenditure.

What is does say though is Scotland is serious about Education and Health and making them a priority.

I agree that perhaps England should also seek it's own devolved parliament and break away from Westminster.

Having a Scottish, Welsh, N.I and English parliaments may (?) make Brussels job a bit harder.

[bradstone]

Originally Posted by john devine

there is a reason why england is and always has been hated abroad.

one or two of the posts (the idiotic posts) on this thread will reveal why.

John.

Scots make up 40% of the British Army.

The SNP is pro-EU, pro-Nato and pro-UN.

You have lots of oil in the North Sea, but the SNP is part of the agenda to not allow you to have it.

The SNP = regionalisation within the EU, dressed up as anti-English, fake Scottish nationalism.