My Holocaust Problems - A Primer for Beginners

[seanx]

Don't bloody condescend!

Whilst I appreciate that you greatly admire David Icke, as do I, I think it's important to understand that he doesn't claim to know all of the answers. It's also important to remain empathetic to the suffering of others, something which I'm sure David would be okay with you feeling. You don't even have to ask him, I'm sure of it.

This is indeed David Icke's forum on David Icke dot com, but if you take a gander at the myriad of topics and discussions which are taking place as we speak, members opine from all sides of the spectrum freely and don't simply repeat David's views ad hoc.

Sorry, my friend, I'm bring this to an end.

You can only say so much.

I said DEBATE IT this OTHER viewpoint.

He doesn't claim to know all the answers

Who said he did?

Maybe if you debated it - it might give you a new perspective.

But...you and your friends have no interest.

Want to stay recycling the past and bring up all the SAME OLD
HATES.

The same old, simplistic solutions.

It's also important to remain empathetic to the suffering of others,

That's a gem.

From the people trying to tell us that holercaust is really no
big deal, because only 1 million innocent people - not the
terrible lie of 6 million!

God bless your empathy!

How do you think 'nick' is getting on in his 'personal journey'

Did you read his last copy and paste job? About how 'we
should split in the faces of jews' and attack them because they want
to control the world?

Lovely people you hang around with.

[zarah]

Originally Posted by seanx

Sorry, my friend, I'm bring this to an end.

You can only say so much.

I said DEBATE IT this OTHER viewpoint.

Umm, debate it this other viewpoint? I dont get it.

Who said he did?

Your implication

Maybe if you debated it - it might give you a new perspective.

But...you and your friends have no interest.

Want to stay recycling the past and bring up all the SAME OLD
HATES.

The same old, simplistic solutions.

If there was noone living in abject poverty in dismal existences I would agree with you. Unfortunately, Palestinians are. It's too simplistic to ask everyone to move on as if they were nothing more than an M1 car accident and pout and stomp when people refuse.

That's a gem.

From the people trying to tell us that holercaust is really no
big deal, because only 1 million innocent people - not the
terrible lie of 6 million!

God bless your empathy!

How do you think 'nick' is getting on in his 'personal journey'

Did you read his last copy and paste job? About how 'we
should split in the faces of jews' and attack them because they want
to control the world?

Why do you deliberately misspell the word?

I skimmed through it. Nick's like a zillion people in the world with an axe to grind and a group of people to hate.

We do have rather polarised views on history and why it's important. Perhaps youre just much further into your journey than I am, eh?

[seanx]

Zarah wrote:,

If there was noone living in abject poverty in dismal existences I would agree with you. Unfortunately, Palestinians are. It's too simplistic to ask everyone to move on as if they were nothing more than an M1 car accident and pout and stomp when people refuse.

I have ended my part in this debate.

Maybe, if you have time some day, you might read Icke's Tales of the
Time Loop and Infinite love...and you'll see where we 're coming from.

Also, you keep mentioning the Palestinians. I presume you're
Muslim.

As if somehow, if you object to people spreading hatred against
the jews - then you must be anti-Palestinians.

What nonsense.

I think what Israel did and is doing to Palestine is a disgrace.

But what is worse is the behaviour of the USA and the evil influence
of the neo-cons and the friends of Israel group who dominate that organization.

OF course, Palestine should have their own state.

But here's a question to people, especially women,
who are always anti-israel.

If you could only live in one country in the Middle East- and the
ONLY choice given was between a relatively free israel or the
prison that is Sadui Aberia - what country would you choose
to live in?

[adimon]

Originally Posted by damagedbrainn

This is getting old.

About 40 million civilians died during the course of WW2. About 5-6 million of them were Jews, only about half of those died in camps, while the other half died in the manner in which you speak....they were killed in their homes, on the street, and starved in ghettos. About 12 million people in all died in the camps, only about a fourth of them were Jewish. They didn't all die in gas chambers, but through more conventional forms of execution as well as good ole fashioned PWO-camp styled malnutrition, dehydration, and disease. More chinese civilians were killed at the hands of the Japanese than Jews. And more Soviet POW's were killed in camps than any other one group.

I didn't get that information from any conspiracy site, or any book professing super secret information. Those are actually the official statistics agreed upon by the majority of historians.

You can't claim to discredit the "official story" when you obviously don't even know what the official story is. The crap you're trying to pass off as the "official line" are lies told by Neo-Nazi groups and Holocaust deniers to make their stupid, far-fetched claims sound more credible....It's a classic strawman tactic.

For chrissake, read a fuckin' history book.

As usual DB, you are the voice of reason. I've been away for most of the last fortnight, and this thread has turned into a monster! Thanks to those sensible enough to request a debate from the racists - thanks to you guys I didn't have to trouble myself with removing nick and phantom from the ignore lists in order to read their posts, since they are quoted thoroughly.

I notice that in all the furvor nobody responded to my historiographical points. I didn't really expect them to. And I appreciate the kind words seanx, yes I have studied this period of history.

I really suggest that anyone interested in the holocaust visit the museums, get down the library, and preferably, visit the camps themselves. You cannot conduct historiography from a computer terminal.

I have one question though seanx - what makes you think phantom is a girl? I'm genuinely intrigued.

[nickatnoon61]

This is the same excuse that Jews have been using for decades. It is the same excuse used for justifying Israel's continued slaughter of innocent Palestinian men, women, and especially children. This same excuse has been shoved down the throats of the American people in part due to the Jewish control of American media. This systematic psychological conditioning has made the American people more ignorant to the truth than ever before. How many time have we heard the saying that the Arabs want to push Israel in the sea, while at the same time the Israelis are dropping two-ton bombs in the center of Palestinian villages killing dozens of innocent people? The Arab states have proposed on numerous times that full recognition of Israel as a Jewish state would be made if the Israelis would end their brutal and illegal occupation. These offers have been made numerous times but never made the American media and we know the reason for that. Peace is the last thing that the Israelis want. They prefer to falsely portray themselves as the victim knowing that their control of American politicians and American media will allow them to successfully accomplish their main objective of ethnically cleansing Palestinians from their homes and eventually confiscating all Palestinian land. When you have all this control lies and deception comes natural to the zionists of the world. Nothing has done more harm to America than what we have with the state of Israel.

[nickatnoon61]

DB yer Username is more than apt!!!! You said....For chrissake, read a fuckin' history book.Nick says... David Icke on umpteen occasions has warned, in his books, not to trust the official story of the Hollowcaust, or anything else for that matter! You and Adimon cannot be that stoopid can you????

[times7]

Originally Posted by nickatnoon61

This is the same excuse that Jews have been using for decades. It is the same excuse used for justifying Israel's continued slaughter of innocent Palestinian men, women, and especially children. This same excuse has been shoved down the throats of the American people in part due to the Jewish control of American media. This systematic psychological conditioning has made the American people more ignorant to the truth than ever before. How many time have we heard the saying that the Arabs want to push Israel in the sea, while at the same time the Israelis are dropping two-ton bombs in the center of Palestinian villages killing dozens of innocent people? The Arab states have proposed on numerous times that full recognition of Israel as a Jewish state would be made if the Israelis would end their brutal and illegal occupation. These offers have been made numerous times but never made the American media and we know the reason for that. Peace is the last thing that the Israelis want. They prefer to falsely portray themselves as the victim knowing that their control of American politicians and American media will allow them to successfully accomplish their main objective of ethnically cleansing Palestinians from their homes and eventually confiscating all Palestinian land. When you have all this control lies and deception comes natural to the zionists of the world. Nothing has done more harm to America than what we have with the state of Israel.

Do you think Zionism is about Israel Nikatoon ?

The zionists plan to destroy Israel,thats why Israel is on the news day in day out and bloody wars in Sudan and chechnya are ignored.

The zionists only care for Jerusalem,isnt Russia controlled by the zionist world bank and is arming Iran to the teeth(Iran would never strike Jerusalem) Israel of course will be attacked but never Jerusalem,never,ever,just like the zionists want

Zionism is about Global goverment,just like the fanatic Torah Jews want Israel destroyed(as does most of the world)

can you see a messiah doing such things ? being hailed as a saviour
(i can)

beware

[paganus]

Originally Posted by times7

Do you think Zionism is about Israel Nikatoon ?

The zionists plan to destroy Israel,thats why Israel is on the news day in day out and bloody wars in Sudan and chechnya are ignored.

The zionists only care for Jerusalem,isnt Russia controlled by the zionist world bank and is arming Iran to the teeth(Iran would never strike Jerusalem) Israel of course will be attacked but never Jerusalem,never,ever,just like the zionists want

Zionism is about Global goverment,just like the fanatic Torah Jews want Israel destroyed(as does most of the world)

can you see a messiah doing such things ? being hailed as a saviour
(i can)

beware

im sure they'd LOVE a Holocaust(tm) part 2! just think of the movie revenue!

[damagedbrainn]

Originally Posted by nickatnoon61

DB yer Username is more than apt!!!! You said....For chrissake, read a fuckin' history book.Nick says... David Icke on umpteen occasions has warned, in his books, not to trust the official story of the Hollowcaust, or anything else for that matter! You and Adimon cannot be that stoopid can you????

Actually, David Icke has never denied that the holocaust happened, or that the gas chambers existed. In fact, he's never personally questioned any of the facts or statistics of the holocaust. The "Jews Control The Universe" crowd always seem to conveniently overlook that when attempting to paint Icke as one of them.

[paganus]

Originally Posted by damagedbrainn

Actually, David Icke has never denied that the holocaust happened, or that the gas chambers existed. In fact, he's never personally questioned any of the facts or statistics of the holocaust. The "Jews Control The Universe" crowd always seem to conveniently overlook then when attempting to paint Icke as one of them.

i only really got into DI when i researched the militia movement.DI has given a few talks to them.they consider him 'one of them' they would disagree with you on the zog!