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Old 09-03-2011, 11:15 PM   #1
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I've always been confused about this. When we dream, we are in some type of reality. I've had several lucid dreams, and it did seem like I was in some sort of real world but heightened.

Now people talk about astral realm and astral projection, etc...my question is, where we're dreaming, is that the astral realm we're in? Is it literally the astral?
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Old 09-03-2011, 11:28 PM   #2
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The reality is that ALL is DREAM......if dream is the right word. Letting go shows that it's all in the fluidity of the minds functioning :-)
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Old 09-03-2011, 11:30 PM   #3
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The reality is that ALL is DREAM......if dream is the right word. Letting go shows that it's all in the fluidity of the minds functioning :-)
well sure, but we still dream, which leaves my question unanswered.
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Old 09-03-2011, 11:51 PM   #4
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well sure, but we still dream, which leaves my question unanswered.
It could be that the dream state is the astral/inner planes/realm where the veil of forgetfulness is somewhat lifted for either pshycological or spiritual healing/learning, lucidity is a consciousness within the subconscious for heightened awarness within this realm where guides can be utilized for further healing/learning/teaching, for me conscious dreaming can be an extremely helpful aid, as can normal dreamstate, understanding archetypal imagery is the key to both.
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Old 09-03-2011, 11:52 PM   #5
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I've always been confused about this. When we dream, we are in some type of reality. I've had several lucid dreams, and it did seem like I was in some sort of real world but heightened.

Now people talk about astral realm and astral projection, etc...my question is, where we're dreaming, is that the astral realm we're in? Is it literally the astral?
As I understand it you're dead on. The astral realm is where you dream. The astral dimension being the name for the dimension slightly more subtle than the physical dimension. So its less dense and things change and move more quickly.
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Dreams happen inside your mind, not in the astral.

However, dreams can be projected into your mind from the astral.. these are called nightmares.

Lucid dreams happen inside your mind too. Your mind has the power to create internal worlds,
and when you're having a lucid dream, it seems as if you're in another world, outside of your
body. But in reality you are still inside your body, as all dreams happen inside the mind. There
is no "astral dreamworld" where people go to meet or have dreams.. but your higher self can
project itself into someone's mind and dream and communicate with them.

For example on one occasion the higher selves of two of my friends visited me in a vivid dream,
and asked me for healing. Consciously they knew nothing about this, but I spent some weeks
sending them healing, and after a while one of them visited me again, and to thank me he had
pointed out an etheric implant that was lodged in my neck. A friend of mine found it and then
removed it.

There are five types of dreams.

1) Nightmares, are dream visions projected into your mind from the astral.
2) Normal dreams that remind you of lessons you missed during the day.
3) Meaningless dreams created by disturbances in your subconscious mind.
4) Vivid dreams, are dreams that are trying to give you a direct message.
5) Lucid dreams, are dreams giving you a message about something very
urgent.. during the dream you are directly spoken to in real time, to try
and make you aware of an urgent problem or a coming event.

The higher selves of others will usually visit you during a vivid or lucid one,
vivid dreams may contain some amount of symbolism, but lucid dreams are
usually direct and urgent communications without symbolism.

Some people force lucid dreaming for their pleasure.. but in reality lucid
dreaming is only meant for your spirit guides or Universal guides to directly
communicate with you. Lucid dreams are not meant to have fun with, if
you use it that way you become vulnerable to astral intrusion and even
astral abduction.

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Old 10-03-2011, 01:30 AM   #7
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Lucid dreams are not meant to have fun with, if
you use it that way you become vulnerable to astral intrusion and even
astral abduction.
this is pretty vague, what do you mean by "fun"? when i lucid dream, i am making things up as i go, so how can it be some urgent message when you're controlling it?

also what are you supposed to do in a lucid dream, other than create? just sit there and sulk? this doesn't make much sense to me.
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It could be that the dream state is the astral/inner planes/realm where the veil of forgetfulness is somewhat lifted for either pshycological or spiritual healing/learning...
This is something I have thought about lately. The lesser mysteries and the greater mysteries. We could be initiated into the greater mysteries when we sleep. When we sleep the prison surrounding the soul could be lifted.

If the soul is weighed down by materialistic desires and is not balanced, you dream about the illusions of this world. When the materialistic desires of this world are cast off, the soul is not heavy, it rises up now lightened and balanced into another realm where learning and healing can occur. Or so the book said that I read.
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Dreams happen inside your mind, not in the astral.
Well how do you define your mind? To me its the part of your soul that is present in your physical brain.
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Well how do you define your mind? To me its the part of your soul that is present in your physical brain.
With mind I mean inside your body, and not outside of your body in the astral.
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this is pretty vague, what do you mean by "fun"? when i lucid dream, i am making things up as i go, so how can it be some urgent message when you're controlling it?

also what are you supposed to do in a lucid dream, other than create? just sit there and sulk? this doesn't make much sense to me.
Well, if it happens on its own.. just ask outloud if there is a message. And if
nothing happens you're free to do what you want. I was talking more about
people who force their minds to have lucid dreams so they can have fun with
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Dreams happen inside your mind, not in the astral.

However, dreams can be projected into your mind from the astral.. these are called nightmares.

Lucid dreams happen inside your mind too. Your mind has the power to create internal worlds,
and when you're having a lucid dream, it seems as if you're in another world, outside of your
body. But in reality you are still inside your body, as all dreams happen inside the mind. There
is no "astral dreamworld" where people go to meet or have dreams.. but your higher self can
project itself into someone's mind and dream and communicate with them.

For example on one occasion the higher selves of two of my friends visited me in a vivid dream,
and asked me for healing. Consciously they knew nothing about this, but I spent some weeks
sending them healing, and after a while one of them visited me again, and to thank me he had
pointed out an etheric implant that was lodged in my neck. A friend of mine found it and then
removed it.

There are five types of dreams.

1) Nightmares, are dream visions projected into your mind from the astral.
2) Normal dreams that remind you of lessons you missed during the day.
3) Meaningless dreams created by disturbances in your subconscious mind.
4) Vivid dreams, are dreams that are trying to give you a direct message.
5) Lucid dreams, are dreams giving you a message about something very
urgent.. during the dream you are directly spoken to in real time, to try
and make you aware of an urgent problem or a coming event.

The higher selves of others will usually visit you during a vivid or lucid one,
vivid dreams may contain some amount of symbolism, but lucid dreams are
usually direct and urgent communications without symbolism.

Some people force lucid dreaming for their pleasure.. but in reality lucid
dreaming is only meant for your spirit guides or Universal guides to directly
communicate with you. Lucid dreams are not meant to have fun with, if
you use it that way you become vulnerable to astral intrusion and even
astral abduction.
bs and speculation.

You must be quite delusional to think you have all the answers to this.

We are definitely in some other reality and not in our mind/head.

There is a feeling of weightlessness in this reality, and many other laws apply.

If dreams were all in the mind, then this reality could also be in the mind....
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bs and speculation.

You must be quite delusional to think you have all the answers to this.

We are definitely in some other reality and not in our mind/head.

There is a feeling of weightlessness in this reality, and many other laws apply.

If dreams were all in the mind, then this reality could also be in the mind....
Also speculation.
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I've always been confused about this. When we dream, we are in some type of reality. I've had several lucid dreams, and it did seem like I was in some sort of real world but heightened.

Now people talk about astral realm and astral projection, etc...my question is, where we're dreaming, is that the astral realm we're in? Is it literally the astral?
Ive usually thought that dreams usually take place in the astral as well.
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When you are in the astral, you are fully conscious and in control.. being
there is as real as being in the physical world. You can't just create things
out of thin air that easily, you can't just make anything happen you want..

The astral is the home of those that invaded Earth, demons, angels, aliens
and also interdimensional beings have realms there, and they control what
happens in those realms, not you, they're not dream worlds, they are very
real places.

Your dreams do not occur in the astral, they happen inside your mind.

That's my experience with the astral anyway.

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When you are in the astral, you are fully conscious and in control.. being
there is as real as being in the physical world. You can't just create things
out of thin air that easily, you can't just make anything happen you want..

The astral is the home of those that invaded Earth, demons, angels, aliens
and also interdimensional beings have realms there, and they control what
happens in those realms, not you, they're not dream worlds, they are very
real places.

Your dreams do not occur in the astral, they happen inside your mind.

That's my experience with the astral anyway.

Are we inter-dimensional beings too? Meaning it is our home as well?
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When you are in the astral, you are fully conscious and in control.. being
there is as real as being in the physical world. You can't just create things
out of thin air that easily, you can't just make anything happen you want..

The astral is the home of those that invaded Earth, demons, angels, aliens
and also interdimensional beings have realms there, and they control what
happens in those realms, not you, they're not dream worlds, they are very
real places.

Your dreams do not occur in the astral, they happen inside your mind.

That's my experience with the astral anyway.
that applies to lucid dreams aswell though.

ever noticed how the realer a dream seems and the closer it resembles reality, then the harder it becomes to just create on the spot. i think you basically explore your own inner dream world until you are able to conquer your fears and other things in order to master that lower dream level. i think any kind of outer astral would be reached after that, and basically the same as any high level lucid
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I really hope not, if my dreams are a reflection of the astral realm then its not somewhere I want to go.
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When you are in the astral, you are fully conscious and in control.. being
there is as real as being in the physical world. You can't just create things
out of thin air that easily, you can't just make anything happen you want..
Hi zsymon, I'd like to post my views on that.

Since the astral is just another density inside the illusion, you can't be fully concious. Being more concious than in this density is not the same as being fully concious. It's just a bit more, but that's it.

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The astral is the home of those that invaded Earth, demons, angels, aliens
and also interdimensional beings have realms there, and they control what
happens in those realms, not you, they're not dream worlds, they are very
real places.
Since it is just another illusion in another density (of which they are many) there are of course experiences (neither "good" nor "bad") being made...just like in our density. An ant does surely experience something else you do. You can see the ant, but the ant certainly can't recognize you.

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Your dreams do not occur in the astral, they happen inside your mind.
That's my experience with the astral anyway.
Experiences with the astral realm will hit you when you are about to enter it completely for whatever reason. Right now you are experiencing the astral as a human which is not the same. Imagine a room, imagine you have a dog. You both sit in there, experiencing the same room, but from different perspectives. You are human, the dog is an animal. That's the same you are experiencing. You see the same realm as the other beings but your experience is the same as it would be from a dog sitting in your room. It is all subjective and nothing, absolutely nothing, is real except you being alive.

Cool thread by the way :-)

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I really hope not, if my dreams are a reflection of the astral realm then its not somewhere I want to go.


How about this one.

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The Astral Plane is not one plane but many planes of consciousness. In The Upper Astral are found the highest beings of highest consciousness, and in The Lower Astral are found the lowest beings of lowest consciousness. When Earthlings talk about “Hell” they are really talking about The Lower Astral without knowing the difference. The Lower Astral itself is comprised of many levels to safely and accurately accommodate beings in various states of low-ness, of which there is no limit. The Lower Astral is truly a “nightmare hellish place,” and not a place you would ever want to visit or earn. There is no greater incentive for doing well in your Cosmic Ascension than a momentary glimpse of The Lower Astral!

Pretty interesting all this stuff.

http://thegreatwhitelodge.org/Amenti.html

From a New Age Site.
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