alcohol

paganus · 15-12-2007, 09:14 AM

since joining the forum,i have seen some 'anti' alcohol posts.what are your opinions on it? is it a means of controlling the masses,or harmless/positive?

extralien · 15-12-2007, 11:06 AM

In my opinion, the use of alcohol, like any other form of drug, should be taught to us to be used moderately.

There is use and there is abuse.

Throughout history, people have used many forms of drug (alcohol is a drug as is tobacco) to reach a higher state of consciousness in order to commune with the spirit world or to gain divine knowledge etc. etc.

This current society bans almost all drugs. But why is the sale of alcohol permitted?
Because it is good for business. A natural drug grows in the ground. Alcohol does not.

Also, if you keep a society drunk, you can fine those who are drunk and disorderly or imprison those who break further laws whilst under the influence of alcohol. Meanwhile, the rest of you are happily merry and sleeping off the legal high you've worked all week for.

But now it seems there is a trend to ban smoking completely and soon I feel the banning of alcohol will come into place. This will be a method to ensure that the governments get the maximum amount of work hours out of you and will also take away the revenue the breweries earn so that the focus of your spending will be marketed towards something more 'governmental'.

danucrom · 15-12-2007, 12:10 PM

The further down the drain society seems to go the cheaper and more easily available alcohol seems to become, during the contrived fall of the soviet union people had to wait in line for bread, but vodka was easily available and dirt cheap!. Alcohol is a negative, highly addictive, highly destructive substance, that is why it is legal. The PTB count on many people who would otherwise be a problem for them to turn to alcohol and commit slow suicide.
Smoke weed instead, much better for the mind and body.

nuit · 15-12-2007, 12:36 PM

erm i cannot really comment till i change my avatar

outofdarknesscomeslight · 15-12-2007, 12:40 PM

It's definitely no co-incidence that a legal but destructive drug such as alcohol turns people into incoherent zombies and has no consciousness expanding effects whatsoever, yet relatively harmless but consciousness expanding drugs such as weed, mushrooms, LSD, ketamine and DMT are all illegal. Those at the top realise that the latter provide a means for perceiving beyond the five senses and therefore breaking out of the matrix. It's like David says, if the concern of the PTB was to protect the public, like we're led to believe, then alcohol certainly would not be legal and there'd be no reason to ban drugs such as mushrooms or weed. But as we all know, the agenda of the PTB is control, hence why something as harmless (to people, not the five sense 'egg shell') as mushrooms is made class A!

It's no co-incidence either that so many people are addicted to cocaine these days. What better way to distract people from what's going on than to get them hooked on a highly addictive substance that just so happens to re-enforce the five sense egg shell. The last thing people are going to care about is finding out how the world really works when all they can think about is getting their next fix...

It's been shown that MI5 and the CIA are the biggest cocaine smugglers in the world. If there was a way to legalise cocaine without the threat of mass public outrage, I'm sure they would...

sensimillia · 15-12-2007, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by outofdarknesscomeslight

It's definitely no co-incidence that a legal but destructive drug such as alcohol turns people into incoherent zombies and has no consciousness expanding effects whatsoever, yet relatively harmless but consciousness expanding drugs such as weed, mushrooms, LSD, ketamine and DMT are all illegal. Those at the top realise that the latter provide a means for perceiving beyond the five senses and therefore breaking out of the matrix. It's like David says, if the concern of the PTB was to protect the public, like we're led to believe, then alcohol certainly would not be legal and there'd be no reason to ban drugs such as mushrooms or weed. But as we all know, the agenda of the PTB is control, hence why something as harmless (to people, not the five sense 'egg shell') as mushrooms is made class A!

It's no co-incidence either that so many people are addicted to cocaine these days. What better way to distract people from what's going on than to get them hooked on a highly addictive substance that just so happens to re-enforce the five sense egg shell. The last thing people are going to care about is finding out how the world really works when all they can think about is getting their next fix...

It's been shown that MI5 and the CIA are the biggest cocaine smugglers in the world. If there was a way to legalise cocaine without the threat of mass public outrage, I'm sure they would...

very well put, i agree 100%.

pri01 · 15-12-2007, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by outofdarknesscomeslight

It's definitely no co-incidence that a legal but destructive drug such as alcohol turns people into incoherent zombies and has no consciousness expanding effects whatsoever, yet relatively harmless but consciousness expanding drugs such as weed, mushrooms, LSD, ketamine and DMT are all illegal. Those at the top realise that the latter provide a means for perceiving beyond the five senses and therefore breaking out of the matrix. It's like David says, if the concern of the PTB was to protect the public, like we're led to believe, then alcohol certainly would not be legal and there'd be no reason to ban drugs such as mushrooms or weed. But as we all know, the agenda of the PTB is control, hence why something as harmless (to people, not the five sense 'egg shell') as mushrooms is made class A!

It's no co-incidence either that so many people are addicted to cocaine these days. What better way to distract people from what's going on than to get them hooked on a highly addictive substance that just so happens to re-enforce the five sense egg shell. The last thing people are going to care about is finding out how the world really works when all they can think about is getting their next fix...

It's been shown that MI5 and the CIA are the biggest cocaine smugglers in the world. If there was a way to legalise cocaine without the threat of mass public outrage, I'm sure they would...

Absolutely, I often have thinking sessions where topics such as this invade my mind and cause me to question. Why would any government allow a substance so distructive to human health mental and physical to be freely available? It wrecks lives, kills people and is the cause of most of the social violent outbursts domestically and socially today. It drains resources such as medical, police in addition to working days lost from hangovers etc. It doesn't make sense does it. Also, what is the history of alcohol? Who were the pioneers who invented it? Or were we taught? It makes sense though that whilst the majority of the adult population are unwittingly devoted to their well deserved, hard earned treat, they have little focus or desire to learn about what is going on around them.

outofdarknesscomeslight · 15-12-2007, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by pri01

Absolutely, I often have thinking sessions where topics such as this invade my mind and cause me to question. Why would any government allow a substance so distructive to human health mental and physical to be freely available? It wrecks lives, kills people and is the cause of most of the social violent outbursts domestically and socially today. It drains resources such as medical, police in addition to working days lost from hangovers etc. It doesn't make sense does it. Also, what is the history of alcohol? Who were the pioneers who invented it? Or were we taught? It makes sense though that whilst the majority of the adult population are unwittingly devoted to their well deserved, hard earned treat, they have little focus or desire to learn about what is going on around them.

You're right. If the adult population was stripped of their 'hard earned weekend treat', they would inevitably start to look for the causes of their economic slavery. But as it stands, people are encouraged to indulge in drunken escapism as a way to justify and block out the fact that they ultimately sell five out of every seven days of their lives away to the elite.

If people stopped indulging in mindless escapism they would realise that the economic system is set up for them to lose. It's like a casino - although there is a small chance of 'winning' or 'making it' for the average punter, the whole system is set up so that the odds are stacked greatly against them. In other words, the rich get richer and the poor get more in debt.

In the standard debate about which economic system is the most effective, people boast about how capitalism works better than all other systems, and they're right. It definitely works, it just doesn't doesn't work in the favour of anybody who isn't already at the top of the food chain.

I think that's one of the main purposes of alcohol. It provides people with a temporary escape from the fact that they are economic slaves and spend their whole lives working to make the rich richer... Without alcohol, or any other form of escapism for that matter, whether it's reality TV, celebrity culture, comfort food, professional sport or 'retail therapy', people would start to look for the real causes of their misery and subordination, and they would revolt. This is how the elite justify keeping it legal...

outofdarknesscomeslight · 15-12-2007, 03:18 PM

Also, given the notoriety of the problem with 'booze culture' we'd had in the UK for the last decade or so, you'd think that extending opening hours of pubs would be the worst thing to do. Well, you'd think that if you mistakingly believed that the government represented the best interests of the people, but as we are all well aware, that simply is not the case.

Is it a co-incidence that there is an obvious correlation between 'the awakening' and how readily encouraged alcohol is becoming? I think not...

picha · 15-12-2007, 03:59 PM

It probably should be banned IMO.

I dont know of any other drug that makes you feel as terrible the next day as alchohol does.

sensimillia · 15-12-2007, 04:01 PM

no bans needed. a personal choice is good enough for me...

pedsi · 15-12-2007, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by picha

It probably should be banned IMO.

I dont know of any other drug that makes you feel as terrible the next day as alchohol does.

I take it you haven't tried speed then

nuit · 15-12-2007, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by pedsi

I take it you haven't tried speed then

take it you have

pedsi · 15-12-2007, 05:22 PM

Aye regrettably

nuit · 15-12-2007, 05:24 PM

oh well just think of the knowledge (although narcotic based) you have gained by doing so

kblood · 15-12-2007, 05:25 PM

Wine and beer can be good for your health, but only if it is 1 glas (and no, not a 5 gallon glas), a day, then it can be healthy. I have heard about pot being able to be good medicine against some kinds of illness as well. Especially some mental illnesses, but then in other cases, it has a bad effect of course.

nuit · 15-12-2007, 05:29 PM

damn there goes my 10 gal glass in the bin

extralien · 15-12-2007, 05:35 PM

In the last three years, I've had two bottles of JD, three pints of guinness and a hip flask size bottle of vodka.

Apart from the guinness, the rest doesn't get consumed in on sitting.

I haven't had a TV for 7 years. I don't miss either of them.

The booze culture in the UK was just one part of the problem that I observed that made me choose to leave the UK.

The French love a good drop of wine. Red wine is supposed to be very good for you too. As is whiskey and guinness.

It does appear that the availability of alcohol and the lack of care and control given to it is a major factor in the dumbing down of more and more people.

There has been a major increase in youngsters drinking since the introduction of alco pops. This, without doubt, leads to obtaining further beverages.

As far as the government is concerened, well, I feel it does not bother them in the slightest. Or, perhaps I should say, the bankers who control the government. Especially as the house of commons has a heavily subsidised bar and the house of lords has its own brand of whiskey.

The bankers feed the politicians who pass laws. The politicians feed the emergency services and the citizens. The citizens keep the country running for the bankers. The people go out and get drunk on a weekend, who get 'involved' in a dispute, the police and ambulance are called, the people get fined/imprisoned, then eventually go back to work to pay their taxes so the emergency services can be paid for their work who get taxed themselves to pay the governments wages and the government keep doing their secret deals and handshakes with the bankers.

Then through anger or frustration, the people go out and get druk again to relieve themselves of the extreme stresses placed upon them by such an extreme form of control.

The funniest thing is, money is not worth the paper it's printed on yet we all continue to use it.
The whole banking system is about keeping you all in debt as a slave.
And yet, it's the money we work for to buy the booze to forget the problems this debt gives us!!!!

nuit · 15-12-2007, 05:42 PM

well i am setting myself up for a persecution here but please here me out before judging
i have allowed my son (12) to have the occasional alcopop, glass of wine (with 7up) but the reasoning behind this is...that if he knows it is ok with him to have a drink if wanted(and moderation) at home, i will not be getting a call of the police saying they have picked him up drunk on a corner with friends or worse than that he is in hospital beaten or something else because alcohol will not be as bigger draw to him like it would if it was taboo(no not the vodka based drink

)

extralien · 15-12-2007, 05:50 PM

The French do a similar thing with their children.

At the main family meal in the evenings, the parents will allow the kids to have some watered down wine.

This does the same thing as you are trying to do with your kid and it also helps the kids eat their meals and stay healthy.

Red wine gets the taste buds working an a good meal is gone in moments with shared with a glass of wine.

15-12-2007, 09:14 AM	#1
paganus Banned Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1,470	alcohol since joining the forum,i have seen some 'anti' alcohol posts.what are your opinions on it? is it a means of controlling the masses,or harmless/positive?

15-12-2007, 11:06 AM	#2
extralien Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 13	In my opinion, the use of alcohol, like any other form of drug, should be taught to us to be used moderately. There is use and there is abuse. Throughout history, people have used many forms of drug (alcohol is a drug as is tobacco) to reach a higher state of consciousness in order to commune with the spirit world or to gain divine knowledge etc. etc. This current society bans almost all drugs. But why is the sale of alcohol permitted? Because it is good for business. A natural drug grows in the ground. Alcohol does not. Also, if you keep a society drunk, you can fine those who are drunk and disorderly or imprison those who break further laws whilst under the influence of alcohol. Meanwhile, the rest of you are happily merry and sleeping off the legal high you've worked all week for. But now it seems there is a trend to ban smoking completely and soon I feel the banning of alcohol will come into place. This will be a method to ensure that the governments get the maximum amount of work hours out of you and will also take away the revenue the breweries earn so that the focus of your spending will be marketed towards something more 'governmental'. __________________ The sleeper must awaken

15-12-2007, 03:18 PM	#9
outofdarknesscomeslight Banned Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Bedfordshire, England. Posts: 141	Also, given the notoriety of the problem with 'booze culture' we'd had in the UK for the last decade or so, you'd think that extending opening hours of pubs would be the worst thing to do. Well, you'd think that if you mistakingly believed that the government represented the best interests of the people, but as we are all well aware, that simply is not the case. Is it a co-incidence that there is an obvious correlation between 'the awakening' and how readily encouraged alcohol is becoming? I think not... Last edited by outofdarknesscomeslight; 15-12-2007 at 03:29 PM.

15-12-2007, 05:35 PM	#18
extralien Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 13	In the last three years, I've had two bottles of JD, three pints of guinness and a hip flask size bottle of vodka. Apart from the guinness, the rest doesn't get consumed in on sitting. I haven't had a TV for 7 years. I don't miss either of them. The booze culture in the UK was just one part of the problem that I observed that made me choose to leave the UK. The French love a good drop of wine. Red wine is supposed to be very good for you too. As is whiskey and guinness. It does appear that the availability of alcohol and the lack of care and control given to it is a major factor in the dumbing down of more and more people. There has been a major increase in youngsters drinking since the introduction of alco pops. This, without doubt, leads to obtaining further beverages. As far as the government is concerened, well, I feel it does not bother them in the slightest. Or, perhaps I should say, the bankers who control the government. Especially as the house of commons has a heavily subsidised bar and the house of lords has its own brand of whiskey. The bankers feed the politicians who pass laws. The politicians feed the emergency services and the citizens. The citizens keep the country running for the bankers. The people go out and get drunk on a weekend, who get 'involved' in a dispute, the police and ambulance are called, the people get fined/imprisoned, then eventually go back to work to pay their taxes so the emergency services can be paid for their work who get taxed themselves to pay the governments wages and the government keep doing their secret deals and handshakes with the bankers. Then through anger or frustration, the people go out and get druk again to relieve themselves of the extreme stresses placed upon them by such an extreme form of control. The funniest thing is, money is not worth the paper it's printed on yet we all continue to use it. The whole banking system is about keeping you all in debt as a slave. And yet, it's the money we work for to buy the booze to forget the problems this debt gives us!!!! __________________ The sleeper must awaken

15-12-2007, 05:50 PM	#20
extralien Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 13	The French do a similar thing with their children. At the main family meal in the evenings, the parents will allow the kids to have some watered down wine. This does the same thing as you are trying to do with your kid and it also helps the kids eat their meals and stay healthy. Red wine gets the taste buds working an a good meal is gone in moments with shared with a glass of wine. __________________ The sleeper must awaken

15-12-2007, 12:10 PM	#3
danucrom Banned Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Ireland Posts: 875	The further down the drain society seems to go the cheaper and more easily available alcohol seems to become, during the contrived fall of the soviet union people had to wait in line for bread, but vodka was easily available and dirt cheap!. Alcohol is a negative, highly addictive, highly destructive substance, that is why it is legal. The PTB count on many people who would otherwise be a problem for them to turn to alcohol and commit slow suicide. Smoke weed instead, much better for the mind and body.

15-12-2007, 12:36 PM	#4
nuit Banned Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,660	erm i cannot really comment till i change my avatar

15-12-2007, 12:40 PM	#5
outofdarknesscomeslight Banned Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Bedfordshire, England. Posts: 141	It's definitely no co-incidence that a legal but destructive drug such as alcohol turns people into incoherent zombies and has no consciousness expanding effects whatsoever, yet relatively harmless but consciousness expanding drugs such as weed, mushrooms, LSD, ketamine and DMT are all illegal. Those at the top realise that the latter provide a means for perceiving beyond the five senses and therefore breaking out of the matrix. It's like David says, if the concern of the PTB was to protect the public, like we're led to believe, then alcohol certainly would not be legal and there'd be no reason to ban drugs such as mushrooms or weed. But as we all know, the agenda of the PTB is control, hence why something as harmless (to people, not the five sense 'egg shell') as mushrooms is made class A! It's no co-incidence either that so many people are addicted to cocaine these days. What better way to distract people from what's going on than to get them hooked on a highly addictive substance that just so happens to re-enforce the five sense egg shell. The last thing people are going to care about is finding out how the world really works when all they can think about is getting their next fix... It's been shown that MI5 and the CIA are the biggest cocaine smugglers in the world. If there was a way to legalise cocaine without the threat of mass public outrage, I'm sure they would...

15-12-2007, 03:59 PM	#10
picha Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 6,449	It probably should be banned IMO. I dont know of any other drug that makes you feel as terrible the next day as alchohol does.

15-12-2007, 04:01 PM	#11
sensimillia Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: stockholm Posts: 356	no bans needed. a personal choice is good enough for me...

15-12-2007, 05:22 PM	#14
pedsi Inactive Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,024	Aye regrettably

15-12-2007, 05:24 PM	#15
nuit Banned Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,660	oh well just think of the knowledge (although narcotic based) you have gained by doing so

15-12-2007, 05:25 PM	#16
kblood Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Northern Europe... somewhere :) Posts: 4,540	Wine and beer can be good for your health, but only if it is 1 glas (and no, not a 5 gallon glas), a day, then it can be healthy. I have heard about pot being able to be good medicine against some kinds of illness as well. Especially some mental illnesses, but then in other cases, it has a bad effect of course.

15-12-2007, 05:29 PM	#17
nuit Banned Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,660	damn there goes my 10 gal glass in the bin

15-12-2007, 05:42 PM	#19
nuit Banned Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,660	well i am setting myself up for a persecution here but please here me out before judging i have allowed my son (12) to have the occasional alcopop, glass of wine (with 7up) but the reasoning behind this is...that if he knows it is ok with him to have a drink if wanted(and moderation) at home, i will not be getting a call of the police saying they have picked him up drunk on a corner with friends or worse than that he is in hospital beaten or something else because alcohol will not be as bigger draw to him like it would if it was taboo(no not the vodka based drink )