Microsofts continuing fail

andyh · 15-02-2011, 01:52 AM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12449731

I debated about whether to put this in news or maybe general but what the hell.
I've talked previously about the emerging giants Google and Apple and how things are going mobile and how Microsoft is on a downslope.
Here we can see even Nokia are beginning to crap themselves.

The future is mobile, touchscreen, open source and cloud based.
Google are pre-eminently placed to reap the whirlwind, Apple will tick along imho as they still lead when it comes to design but even Apple are on the way out ultimately imho unless they can make some amazing changes as people want stuff cheap and there's limits as to how far Apple can go here.
A lot of iPhones for example were subsidised sales in deals with mobile network providers.

Dell & EMC are well placed in the hardware dept and are happy to work with linux.

Anyone else have any views on this? Or perhaps ideas about how Nokia and M$ can overcome their "epic fail" ?

funnybones · 15-02-2011, 04:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andyh

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12449731

I debated about whether to put this in news or maybe general but what the hell.
I've talked previously about the emerging giants Google and Apple and how things are going mobile and how Microsoft is on a downslope.
Here we can see even Nokia are beginning to crap themselves.

The future is mobile, touchscreen, open source and cloud based.
Google are pre-eminently placed to reap the whirlwind, Apple will tick along imho as they still lead when it comes to design but even Apple are on the way out ultimately imho unless they can make some amazing changes as people want stuff cheap and there's limits as to how far Apple can go here.
A lot of iPhones for example were subsidised sales in deals with mobile network providers.

Dell & EMC are well placed in the hardware dept and are happy to work with linux.

Anyone else have any views on this? Or perhaps ideas about how Nokia and M$ can overcome their "epic fail" ?

You hit a major issue with me about cloud based computers. Here is the problem with cloud based anything that you don't own the software you just use the device cause the software is part of the cloud. M$ has said they want to make an instant on PC so you no longer have to install any OS.

You go to your local walmart and buy the PC and then your device uplinks with M$ or whoever and you don't need to worry about about upgrades cause your part of the cloud that can be updated when they see fit. Also while your attached to the cloud it would be easier to see what your doing and no amount of encryption will help cause the cloud knows all about your stupid passwords.

I have told people batman had it right in the dark knight but none listen to how f*cked up that kind of system will be.

At least for now you can protect your PC with some defensive tactics but when you sacrifice yourself to the cloud you just gave up pure freedom of the internet. See the problem for "THEM" is right now you have a choice to keep your PC as an individual fish in a massive ocean. See what they want to do is harvest all the fish in one pool with only a few that control it all and tame the wild west.

atredies · 15-02-2011, 06:28 AM

I've been thinking a lot about the future of the desktop computer and what happen on the way. I found these doc's and movies very interesting.
Here 10 years after, everything is in reverse, Apple is on a roll, and M$ is going down. Ups Time time to go to work...

I'll be back :-) big subject.

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disorder2k8 · 15-02-2011, 06:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andyh

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12449731

I debated about whether to put this in news or maybe general but what the hell.
I've talked previously about the emerging giants Google and Apple and how things are going mobile and how Microsoft is on a downslope.
Here we can see even Nokia are beginning to crap themselves.

The future is mobile, touchscreen, open source and cloud based.
Google are pre-eminently placed to reap the whirlwind, Apple will tick along imho as they still lead when it comes to design but even Apple are on the way out ultimately imho unless they can make some amazing changes as people want stuff cheap and there's limits as to how far Apple can go here.
A lot of iPhones for example were subsidised sales in deals with mobile network providers.

Dell & EMC are well placed in the hardware dept and are happy to work with linux.

Anyone else have any views on this? Or perhaps ideas about how Nokia and M$ can overcome their "epic fail" ?

Remember that apple sells 'products' not just computers, I have never ever wanted an Apple product but I have a HTC desire with droid and its friggin awesome.

But there is a lot of doubt over if google is a bad and sinister corporation or a good guy, seeing as they win in so many other ways.

andyh · 15-02-2011, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by disorder2k8

Remember that apple sells 'products' not just computers, I have never ever wanted an Apple product but I have a HTC desire with droid and its friggin awesome.

But there is a lot of doubt over if google is a bad and sinister corporation or a good guy, seeing as they win in so many other ways.

Actually I don't see Google being "bad" per se...not at the moment anyway.
Its when ubiquitous computing arrives via ipv6 and cloud that they are going to be in such a hellishly powerful position...

kahn2010 · 15-02-2011, 02:07 PM

microsoft will just chug along in the desktop department.

Desktops are going strong. Every forum i go on (whether it be a tech forum or not) say they hate things like the IPad. They prefer desktops and laptops. They'll never die. They'll just get smaller/faster, but they'll never turn into the IPad.

My Ideal OS would be one i can game on, whilst also having a very stable and easily adaptable OS for everything else. This maybe my opinion, but its also the opinion of most gamers in an ever increasing industry.

funnybones · 15-02-2011, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andyh

Actually I don't see Google being "bad" per se...not at the moment anyway.
Its when ubiquitous computing arrives via ipv6 and cloud that they are going to be in such a hellishly powerful position...

How could you not see google as bad? The very first thing that should have started your thinking cap is when google acquired keyhole a CIA asset.

"Keyhole's strategic relationship with In-Q-Tel means that the Intelligence Community can now benefit from the massive scalability and high performance of the Keyhole enterprise solution."

http://www.google-watch.org/inqtel.html

Google, CIA Invest in ‘Future’ of Web Monitoring

Terrorism Analysis - YouTube

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010...ve-google-cia/

Former Agent Says Google and CIA in Partnership

Former CIA clandestine case officer Robert David Steele made some very hot comments on his appearance on the Alex Jones radio show. Steele cites his contacts within the agency with the information that Google and the CIA are involved with one another.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=4774

wake_up_bomb · 15-02-2011, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andyh

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12449731

I debated about whether to put this in news or maybe general but what the hell.
I've talked previously about the emerging giants Google and Apple and how things are going mobile and how Microsoft is on a downslope.
Here we can see even Nokia are beginning to crap themselves.

The future is mobile, touchscreen, open source and cloud based.
Google are pre-eminently placed to reap the whirlwind, Apple will tick along imho as they still lead when it comes to design but even Apple are on the way out ultimately imho unless they can make some amazing changes as people want stuff cheap and there's limits as to how far Apple can go here.
A lot of iPhones for example were subsidised sales in deals with mobile network providers.

Dell & EMC are well placed in the hardware dept and are happy to work with linux.

Anyone else have any views on this? Or perhaps ideas about how Nokia and M$ can overcome their "epic fail" ?

Well, my question is, you obviously know your tech stuff, do you have an iPhone or similar device? I know what your long-term opinion is regarding what they could be used for, do you think these devices have any merit? Do other people you know in a similar field to you see the potential dangers?

My brother's got an iPhone, and I think it's quite a good platform for games, but that sort of technology just doesn't interest me at all. I've got a ten quid mobile, and the only reason I've got that is so my mum can ring me, because I had to unplug my landline phone as there appears to be nothing you can do to prevent whichever communications company you sign up to selling your number to all and sundry so that they can cold call you literally every couple of hours.

robdoo · 15-02-2011, 02:55 PM

I dont know much about this stuff, but: With Microsoft getting a foothold in the developing world and creating new markets for their OS's i really dont see them losing a grip on what they have, although real economic growth will be hard to come by.

MS still provide the operating systems for most schools, colleges and universities in the west and obviously that means the youth will be very familiar with the products and will lean towards microsoft for PC software for years to come, just for convenience if nothing else.

andyh · 15-02-2011, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kahn2010

microsoft will just chug along in the desktop department.

Desktops are going strong. Every forum i go on (whether it be a tech forum or not) say they hate things like the IPad. They prefer desktops and laptops. They'll never die. They'll just get smaller/faster, but they'll never turn into the IPad.

My Ideal OS would be one i can game on, whilst also having a very stable and easily adaptable OS for everything else. This maybe my opinion, but its also the opinion of most gamers in an ever increasing industry.

Heres the thing, if broadband gets fast enough then you won't need fancy kit to play the games anymore. It can all be remotely processed and presented to you from the cloud. The iPad itself is merely the slightest glimmer of whats coming imho.

andyh · 15-02-2011, 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by funnybones

How could you not see google as bad? The very first thing that should have started your thinking cap is when google acquired keyhole a CIA asset.

"Keyhole's strategic relationship with In-Q-Tel means that the Intelligence Community can now benefit from the massive scalability and high performance of the Keyhole enterprise solution."

http://www.google-watch.org/inqtel.html

Google, CIA Invest in ‘Future’ of Web Monitoring
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImhVpC-G_jg
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010...ve-google-cia/

Former Agent Says Google and CIA in Partnership

Former CIA clandestine case officer Robert David Steele made some very hot comments on his appearance on the Alex Jones radio show. Steele cites his contacts within the agency with the information that Google and the CIA are involved with one another.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=4774

All big business is in bed with govt in some way or other.
It is merely degrees of evil now, which is what I really meant.

Google does have some positive aspects to its business, especially in relation to helping the open source scene so they're not as evil shall we say as they could be just yet. However they are set to become one hell of a monster over the next few years.

andyh · 15-02-2011, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wake_up_bomb

Well, my question is, you obviously know your tech stuff, do you have an iPhone or similar device?

Yep, iPhone 4 and a macbook pro i5.

Quote:

I know what your long-term opinion is regarding what they could be used for, do you think these devices have any merit?

Well, its always been my opinion that technology could and should be a hell of a good thing, unfortunately because everything revolves around profit then technology gets steered in a direction that is frightening.

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Do other people you know in a similar field to you see the potential dangers?

Oh hell yeah.

Quite a few know all too well and have often discussed exactly the same thoughts with me as I have had and I didn't have to prompt them at all.
It bothers them on a very deep level but they play along with it all just like we all do...we have little choice in the matter and those choices will be removed completely before long.

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My brother's got an iPhone, and I think it's quite a good platform for games, but that sort of technology just doesn't interest me at all. I've got a ten quid mobile, and the only reason I've got that is so my mum can ring me, because I had to unplug my landline phone as there appears to be nothing you can do to prevent whichever communications company you sign up to selling your number to all and sundry so that they can cold call you literally every couple of hours.

I'm with three.ie who do iphone 3g for sod all practically except to get you on a 40 quid a month contract (quid being a euro here ofc lol)
Same applies for the android phones.
The smartphone sales are going through the roof as a result of the "subsidizing" thats going on and Nokia are crapping themselves you see.

What Apple want is for them to be the sole middle man agents for the software delivered to the phones which are really no longer phones, they're PDA's with incredible power considering the size and screen etc.

You might not be interested ofc but you're the minority w.u.b

wake_up_bomb · 15-02-2011, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by andyh

You might not be interested ofc but you're the minority w.u.b

Thanks for the info. It's not that I'm a luddite, far from it, always have and always will love video games, but I question the need for this obsession with being able to download media wherever you go, and constantly having to have access to an HD screen, it just seems unnecessary. I still quite enjoy football, although not as much as I used to, and I hear these adverts for being able to download all the Premier League goals to your mobile for a fee, and I cannot comprehend why I anyone would want to do that, but there you go, there must be a market for it. Give me a good book, any day of the week. Also, I quite liked the iPod, but I consider being able to be texted or telephoned wherever I am 24 hours a day to be a nuisance, not a blessing.

andyh · 15-02-2011, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wake_up_bomb

Thanks for the info. It's not that I'm a luddite, far from it, always have and always will love video games, but I question the need for this obsession with being able to download media wherever you go, and constantly having to have access to an HD screen, it just seems unnecessary. I still quite enjoy football, although not as much as I used to, and I hear these adverts for being able to download all the Premier League goals to your mobile for a fee, and I cannot comprehend why I anyone would want to do that, but there you go, there must be a market for it. Give me a good book, any day of the week. Also, I quite liked the iPod, but I consider being able to be texted or telephoned wherever I am 24 hours a day to be a nuisance, not a blessing.

Its the gaming that has kept Microshaft in business actually

Once Google and the crowd stamp down on nvidia and ati and demand drivers for open source and for cloud computing then m$ are screwed imho.
We'll see a complete reversal whereby its easier to get drivers for linux than it will be for windows.
It'll surprise the heck out of a lot of people of course but this is the way its going I'm 101% convinced now.

wake_up_bomb · 15-02-2011, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andyh

Its the gaming that has kept Microshaft in business actually

Once Google and the crowd stamp down on nvidia and ati and demand drivers for open source and for cloud computing then m$ are screwed imho.
We'll see a complete reversal whereby its easier to get drivers for linux than it will be for windows.
It'll surprise the heck out of a lot of people of course but this is the way its going I'm 101% convinced now.

I'm completely unqualified to have any kind of opinion on this, so I shall simply watch with interest! It's a fantastic piece of marketing by Microsoft to gain a good foothold in the gaming industry with a console that has been estimated by some sources to have a failure rate of over 50%!

Xbox 360 technical problems - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Xbox 360 technical problems - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I suppose it is a vindication of the old pile them high, sell them cheap philosophy.

andyh · 15-02-2011, 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wake_up_bomb

I'm completely unqualified to have any kind of opinion on this, so I shall simply watch with interest! It's a fantastic piece of marketing by Microsoft to gain a good foothold in the gaming industry with a console that has been estimated by some sources to have a failure rate of over 50%!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_36...nical_problems

I suppose it is a vindication of the old pile them high, sell them cheap philosophy.

The Xbox has great graphics and sound etc but it still got walloped by the Wii.
Its for the same reason that Apple managed to keep going as well as it does- ergonomics.
My 3yr old kid can use an iPhone after merely watching his older brothers have a go for a minute or so.
If you want real hardcore graphics etc then you may as well stick to a PC.

You'll note btw that the Wii uses a modified 'nix kernel, just as Apple does with it's products.

Microsofts mobile is a disaster and nokia are crapping themselves over whats happening with android and iphones.

funnybones · 15-02-2011, 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andyh

All big business is in bed with govt in some way or other.
It is merely degrees of evil now, which is what I really meant.

Google does have some positive aspects to its business, especially in relation to helping the open source scene so they're not as evil shall we say as they could be just yet. However they are set to become one hell of a monster over the next few years.

100% agreement with you its levels of evil. I guess that I could read between the lines a little more. Google will grow bigger that is a given at this point but as they do expect more corruption from the behemoth.

andyh · 15-02-2011, 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by funnybones

100% agreement with you its levels of evil. I guess that I could read between the lines a little more. Google will grow bigger that is a given at this point but as they do expect more corruption from the behemoth.

Exactly yep

Its as if Microsoft are bowing out of the evil role and Google are taking over lol

turquoisefire777 · 15-02-2011, 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andyh

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12449731

I debated about whether to put this in news or maybe general but what the hell.
I've talked previously about the emerging giants Google and Apple and how things are going mobile and how Microsoft is on a downslope.
Here we can see even Nokia are beginning to crap themselves.

The future is mobile, touchscreen, open source and cloud based.
Google are pre-eminently placed to reap the whirlwind, Apple will tick along imho as they still lead when it comes to design but even Apple are on the way out ultimately imho unless they can make some amazing changes as people want stuff cheap and there's limits as to how far Apple can go here.
A lot of iPhones for example were subsidised sales in deals with mobile network providers.

Dell & EMC are well placed in the hardware dept and are happy to work with linux.

Anyone else have any views on this? Or perhaps ideas about how Nokia and M$ can overcome their "epic fail" ?

if the future "mobile", then you are pretty much extinct, dying a slow and painful death, concerning the horrendous damage wireless technology does does you DNA, brain hormones etc.

if the future is mobile...look at a planet around you with now life on it and see if you can fancy making a living like you do now...in any way, shape or form.

andyh · 15-02-2011, 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by turquoisefire777

if the future "mobile", then you are pretty much extinct, dying a slow and painful death, concerning the horrendous damage wireless technology does does you DNA, brain hormones etc.

if the future is mobile...look at a planet around you with now life on it and see if you can fancy making a living like you do now...in any way, shape or form.

You're absolutely right!
I'm not all for it btw

15-02-2011, 01:52 AM	#1
andyh Banned Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: West Cork, Ireland Posts: 18,048	Microsofts continuing fail http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12449731 I debated about whether to put this in news or maybe general but what the hell. I've talked previously about the emerging giants Google and Apple and how things are going mobile and how Microsoft is on a downslope. Here we can see even Nokia are beginning to crap themselves. The future is mobile, touchscreen, open source and cloud based. Google are pre-eminently placed to reap the whirlwind, Apple will tick along imho as they still lead when it comes to design but even Apple are on the way out ultimately imho unless they can make some amazing changes as people want stuff cheap and there's limits as to how far Apple can go here. A lot of iPhones for example were subsidised sales in deals with mobile network providers. Dell & EMC are well placed in the hardware dept and are happy to work with linux. Anyone else have any views on this? Or perhaps ideas about how Nokia and M$ can overcome their "epic fail" ?

15-02-2011, 02:07 PM	#6
kahn2010 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Mars Posts: 1,156	microsoft will just chug along in the desktop department. Desktops are going strong. Every forum i go on (whether it be a tech forum or not) say they hate things like the IPad. They prefer desktops and laptops. They'll never die. They'll just get smaller/faster, but they'll never turn into the IPad. My Ideal OS would be one i can game on, whilst also having a very stable and easily adaptable OS for everything else. This maybe my opinion, but its also the opinion of most gamers in an ever increasing industry. __________________ Your political compass: Economic Left/Right: -6.88 (Left) Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.03 (Libertarian) 'Those who sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither' -Benjamin Franklin Last edited by kahn2010; 15-02-2011 at 02:08 PM.

15-02-2011, 02:55 PM	#9
robdoo Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 528	I dont know much about this stuff, but: With Microsoft getting a foothold in the developing world and creating new markets for their OS's i really dont see them losing a grip on what they have, although real economic growth will be hard to come by. MS still provide the operating systems for most schools, colleges and universities in the west and obviously that means the youth will be very familiar with the products and will lean towards microsoft for PC software for years to come, just for convenience if nothing else. Last edited by robdoo; 15-02-2011 at 02:55 PM.