If you deny Jesus you make God a liar

[jesusistruth]

"Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men; but the blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven"

"This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear you him."

The question is of course, why should we believe the Gospel is true, did God really say that?

Let us then first define truth, and sanity.

It would defy all reason that destructive behaviour and corrupt manners would lead anyone to truth. Personal depravity then leads to blindness, because it is darkness. Righteousness is light, and allows one to see the truth. Righteousness leads to sanity, a pure mind that is able to see the truth, who is God.

It is well to understand that ideas and knowledge, such as knowledge of the truth, does not come from nowhere. They come from spirits, and there is one Spirit of Truth. We can only know the truth by yielding to the spirit of truth, which is the spirit of Righteousness. All else are false, and they are many.

As righteousness leads us to truth, anything that prevents us from doing what is right and the more so, is from darkness and falsehood. If we live in a world of suffering, which we do, pursuing one's own desires instead of ministering to the afflicted with everything that one has got is to be in the dark, and no truth can come out of it.

We have been given the testimony of one man who gave everything he had for the sake of all. And we were told to do nothing less but the same.

Jesus died on the cross because we live in a universe where there is justice. We do not live in a dead universe nobody knows the origins of, nor do we live in a universe where God has let things in our own hands. If that were so, everything would be in chaos, evil and destruction would have prevailed.
Instead, he has given us great blessings, despite our wickedness, and ungratefulness.

And he has set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed. This kingdom of righteousness and truth is also the way to everlasting life. Of which Jesus is King, the greatest example of Righteousness and therefore of truth.

We also have to see the difference between self-imposed righteousness and God's righteousness.

We have to recognize that God is constantly interfering in our lives and that we can know his will. Without this acknowledgement, God will be dead to us, and we will be seeking our own righteousness. This is why the other religions are not true, and their followers seek their own glory. You are not justified by your own works, but by the spirit of God in you, who inspires to right action.

Then if we have the spirit of God in us, how can we deny Jesus, who is the truth?

For this reason, John simply writes

"Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world."

(Having written this I feel a mighty presence in my heart.)

[elirien]

Who gave you the right to make God a liar?

[jesusistruth]

Originally Posted by elirien

Who gave you the right to make God a liar?

Explain yourself.

[elirien]

Originally Posted by jesusistruth

Explain yourself.

Well the topic is if you deny "Jesus you make God a liar" which sounds quite blasphemous as it compares God to a man/human. So we would like to ask who gave that power to you that "you could make God a liar" as you've put it? If you would declare that God is the way you've put it would God be affected?

[jesusistruth]

Originally Posted by elirien

Well the topic is if you deny "Jesus you make God a liar" which sounds quite blasphemous as it compares God to a man/human. So we would like to ask who gave that power to you that "you could make God a liar" as you've put it? If you would declare that God is the way you've put it would God be affected?

The Spirit of God allows me testify to Jesus. And obviously, you are of some other spirit, because you deny him.

[elirien]

Originally Posted by jesusistruth

The Spirit of God allows me testify to Jesus. And obviously, you are of some other spirit, because you deny him.

These are your sentences but could you explain yourself please. If you are testifying to Jesus what are you telling him?

Are you telling him that people can call him a liar or what is the context in this reply ?

We ask again, what or who gives you the power to call "God a liar"?

[jesusistruth]

Originally Posted by elirien

These are your sentences but could you explain yourself please. If you are testifying to Jesus what are you telling him?

Are you telling him that people can call him a liar or what is the context in this reply ?

We ask again, what or who gives you the power to call "God a liar"?

Ok, maybe I used the wrong word, testify for/of Jesus.

'the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy'

Who or what gives one the power to call God a liar? Satan does.

[boots]

Which god are you talking about cause I know that their are many gods not just a Christian god.

There are many path's to god not just the way of Jesus and if the dude was fair dinkum he'd know that. Or is Jesus a lair.

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[jesusistruth]

Originally Posted by boots

Which god are you talking about cause I know that their are many gods not just a Christian god.

There are many path's to god not just the way of Jesus and if the dude was fair dinkum he'd know that. Or is Jesus a lair.

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No, there is only one way to God, and that is doing His will through his spirit. Why don't you read the OP.

[boots]

Originally Posted by jesusistruth

No, there is only one way to God, and that is doing His will through his spirit. Why don't you read the OP.

I disagree with the OP.

I say we are all part of god and the truth lay's in accepting that we are all god's yet to be self realized.

What about Buddha, why cant he be a path to god?

[jesusistruth]

Originally Posted by boots

I disagree with the OP.

I say we are all part of god and the truth lay's in accepting that we are all god's yet to be self realized.

What about Buddha, why cant he be a path to god?

Because he did not die for your sins. Eventually, buddhists seek the glory of somebody else than God, be it themselves, another God or nothing.

As for you saying something, where does that come from? Who told you?

[armoured_amazon]

Forum arguments are nothing more than means to discredit the Creator of the Universe and Yeshua as his appointed Messiah. No sense in listening to the intelligentsia; even demons acknowledge the One.

[dmt head]

Originally Posted by armoured_amazon

No sense in listening.

Got that right ya loonys

[armoured_amazon]

Originally Posted by dmt head

Got that right ya loonys

lol

[ohme]

Originally Posted by armoured_amazon

Forum arguments are nothing more than means to discredit the Creator of the Universe and Yeshua as his appointed Messiah. No sense in listening to the intelligentsia; even demons acknowledge the One.

So anyone disagreeing with your stance doesn't even get listened to? Well so much for "exposing" anything then.

Don't listen, but I think some of these "forum arguments" occur because some "creators of the universe and their appointments" are so unbelievable. When a poster like you says what you just have, one sees all the troubles in the world right there.

[ferryman to the dead]

Originally Posted by ohme

So anyone disagreeing with your stance doesn't even get listened to? Well so much for "exposing" anything then.

Don't listen, but I think some of these "forum arguments" occur because some "creators of the universe and their appointments" are so unbelievable. When a poster like you says what you just have, one sees all the troubles in the world right there.

ohme would not do you any good to expose anything. Why do you think these threads about a God and Jesus go for hundreds of pages? They just keep spouting until the unbelievers get tired of hearing it and abandon the thread its a normal tactic that happens in all religious forums when it comes to this stuff. You could show them proof etched in stone and they are going to deny it and blame it on some devil that the very God they support created.

[jesusistruth]

Originally Posted by ferryman to the dead

ohme would not do you any good to expose anything. Why do you think these threads about a God and Jesus go for hundreds of pages? They just keep spouting until the unbelievers get tired of hearing it and abandon the thread its a normal tactic that happens in all religious forums when it comes to this stuff. You could show them proof etched in stone and they are going to deny it and blame it on some devil that the very God they support created.

What proof is that?

It's really very simple, there is one source of truth and righteousness and there is one source of iniquity and falsehood. And there is no sitting on the fence. Whether you will face judgement or not is another question, but it should be fairly easy to see which one one has yielded to.

[ferryman to the dead]

Originally Posted by jesusistruth

What proof is that?

It's really very simple, there is one source of truth and righteousness and there is one source of iniquity and falsehood. And there is no sitting on the fence. Whether you will face judgement or not is another question, but it should be fairly easy to see which one one has yielded to.

Stop with the Christian word twisting. I did not say I had proof only that he could show you proof and your brainwashing would deny it. And your preaching to the choir by the way your hell and damnation are just fictional overtones meant to scare the bejeebies out of the flock.

[infidelyork]

Internet Bible thumpers, you can't beat 'em can you....

[ohme]

Originally Posted by ferryman to the dead

ohme would not do you any good to expose anything. Why do you think these threads about a God and Jesus go for hundreds of pages? They just keep spouting until the unbelievers get tired of hearing it and abandon the thread its a normal tactic that happens in all religious forums when it comes to this stuff. You could show them proof etched in stone and they are going to deny it and blame it on some devil that the very God they support created.

That does seem to be the case mainly! It is difficult to strike the right balance.

Maybe this section of the forum needs to be renamed "dinner table"!