Meet The Climate Sceptics

rreeve · 31-01-2011, 10:07 PM

Storyville episode - 'Meet the climate sceptics' ON RIGHT NOW BBC Four (22:00 31/01/11_

Heres a link to watch it online:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/watchlive/

Here some of the theories on my Climate Change is a load of bull ON MAINSTREAM BBC.

I wonder if they make Climate truthers look like uninformed idiots because we all know this is what they want.

rreeve · 31-01-2011, 10:34 PM

Sorry guys I should have known better, I shouldn't even have given this program the time of day, never mind the promotion of it on a forum.

Its was a ridiculous attempt to discredit and mislead people.

After EXACTLY 17mins of watching I've switched off because its blatantly an attempt to discredit climate truthers and make them look like a bunch of senile eccentrics, violent crazy people or willing MIS-informers or rather liars.

They EVEN had the nerve to say many of the conferences are organized by multi-national companies such as Exxon who want to preserve their oil industry and conference attendees were mostly OAPs who's whole life has been built upon an industry of fossil fuels.

Its an interesting, eye-brow lifting realization that TPTB are obviously starting to go on the offensive against climate truthers. Do you think they could be getting nervous as our numbers continue to grow? I do.

After some of the stuff I've read on this forum and many others only a moron would believe that climate change is man-made. However this is where were at at the moment but with the relentless chemtrail polluting of our sky's it won't be long until climate change it really man-made. I'm starting to think this is ONE of their motives behind chemtrails... to turn their lying scientific papers which have mislead the public into authoritive accurate studies. I certainly wouldn't put it past them. Anything to force through their shameful dictatorship CORPORATE global governance.

hsm123 · 31-01-2011, 10:43 PM

lol i just turned it on, and they are making Christopher Monckton sound as if he doesn't have no science to back it up, they were showing him doing some speech. You can just tell this whole show is designed to discredit the truth about climate change.

whatsinaname · 31-01-2011, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rreeve

Sorry guys I should have known better, I shouldn't even have given this program the time of day, never mind the promotion of it on a forum.

It's all that's to be expected from the BBC.

I will not give any of their biased bullshit a minute of my time.

john white · 31-01-2011, 11:51 PM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ght-reply.html

"Froggie" failed to get this held up in the courts today. He wanted the programme to include a 3 minute "right to reply". It's obviously going to be a hard hatchet job (Monckton is hated for derailing Copenhagen) I'm just waiting for it to come up on IPlayer to check it out

john white · 01-02-2011, 01:01 AM

It wasn't too bad.... a lot of good stuff actually did get mentioned in it... what the programme didn't do was reveal the fraud in the models, mention the lack of warming from 1995-2010 and it focused on the character of Monckton more than the substance of what was said... so it denied the real heavy hits in the sceptical case

More power us I say, in that it shows the BEEB has finally had to respond to all the ground it has lost on the net in the last 5 years... and this is fairer than the job they tried to do on 9/11 truth

The end result is this is going to stimulate the debate EVEN more

Especially if BEEB viewers start checking out Alex Jones....

largejack · 01-02-2011, 01:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by john white

It wasn't too bad.... a lot of good stuff actually did get mentioned in it... what the programme didn't do was reveal the fraud in the models, mention the lack of warming from 1995-2010 and it focused on the character of Monckton more than the substance of what was said... so it denied the real heavy hits in the sceptical case

More power us I say, in that it shows the BEEB has finally had to respond to all the ground it has lost on the net in the last 5 years... and this is fairer than the job they tried to do on 9/11 truth

The end result is this is going to stimulate the debate EVEN more

Especially if BEEB viewers start checking out Alex Jones....

Did it mention Alex Jones?

john white · 01-02-2011, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by largejack

Did it mention Alex Jones?

Yep, nice snip of him denouncing the globalist agenda

largejack · 01-02-2011, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by john white

Yep, nice snip of him denouncing the globalist agenda

Interesting, I thought the Beeb pretended he doesn't exist?

john white · 01-02-2011, 02:35 AM

Quote:

Yep, nice snip of him denouncing the globalist agenda

Interesting, I thought the Beeb pretended he doesn't exist?

Hard to talk about Monckton and not mention whose been backing him having a public platform

truepositive · 01-02-2011, 03:10 AM

Well known tactic rreeve, trying to cover both sides of an agenda and in this case doing a scarily good job at it. Thanks for the efforts of putting this up and the honest reply afterwards nonetheless, that in itself is worth something no doubt

steppewar · 01-02-2011, 05:59 AM

I've just watched it. Standard formulaic BBC anti conspiracy theory program.

They start off seemingly giving the "conspirators" credibility, respect, etc.

Then at the end of the program they basically call them insane, dangerous psychopaths.

The 9/11 conspiracy programs the BBC aired followed exactly the same formula.

largejack · 01-02-2011, 08:44 AM

Why are the BBC never targeted in protests? Bizarre!

They are one of the sickest organisations in this country and probably one of the greatest barriers to free humanity in terms of the information they try to smother us with?

manonthemoon · 01-02-2011, 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by john white

It wasn't too bad.... a lot of good stuff actually did get mentioned in it... what the programme didn't do was reveal the fraud in the models, mention the lack of warming from 1995-2010 and it focused on the character of Monckton more than the substance of what was said... so it denied the real heavy hits in the sceptical case

More power us I say, in that it shows the BEEB has finally had to respond to all the ground it has lost on the net in the last 5 years... and this is fairer than the job they tried to do on 9/11 truth

The end result is this is going to stimulate the debate EVEN more

Especially if BEEB viewers start checking out Alex Jones....

I turned it off after less than 10 minutes, even the announcers before the programme had been trained to put on a particularly sarcastic, demeaning and disapproving tone to their voice when saying "climate skeptics". Much of the British Brainwashing Corporation's mind control is in the subtlety, which the program lacked. Complete biased hatched job. I have been to a "skeptics" conference (we prefer the term "Climate Realist" -i.e. one who has the real truthful view of climate change) and the program makers is telling lies about the age demographic of skeptics- I met people of both sexes ranging in age from 20 somethings to retired age at this conference. The bit of program I saw was so full of blatant lies I could watch no more. I say, write and complain to the BBC and ofcom.

Monckton is right- there has been NO statistically significant global warming for 15 years. Which to all intents and purposes means NO warming other than that due to random variation of the chaotic climate system. And at a time when man's CO2 output is greater than it has even been points to NO human signature in the climate system.

You all need to read the book "Slaying the Sky Dragon" where the Greenhouse Gas theory is comprehenisvely demolished- and using proper maths and physics to do it. Claes Johnson's chapters are particularly good- groundbreaking stuff. He is one of the very few to realise that the physical basis for the greenhouse theory is not only false, but unsupportable by science.

Slaying the Sky Dragon: Death of the Greenhouse Gas Theory: Amazon.co.uk: Alan Siddons, Tim Ball, Hans T. Schreuder: 9781901546378: Books

mountains of mars · 01-02-2011, 10:30 AM

The whole climate change sceptic debacle has actually changed my way of looking at a lot of conspiracy theory and has made me a lot more sceptical of things I read and see online.
I have read extensively on the subject and I think that scientific thinking is the best way of looking at data. I dont argue with climate sceptics anymore and I also am withdrawing from a lot of online timewasting.I should make it clear that I believe that man made climate change is irrefutable and I although Monkton is obviously intelligent his analysis of the data is very badly flawed. I realise that the most vocal of people on here will be angry at this post and I am sorry that unfortunately this attitude is reflected in the wider argument of sceptics.
Ask yourself why Monkton refuses to have his theories peer reviewed as is the case with ALL other science.
Seperate the two issues of politics and science and look at them critically. I think that the science is correct and yes we definately are warming the planet. But on the other hand I distrust Al Gore and am very distrustful of all government in general. But this does not mean that its all a conspiracy and that the information is incorrect. Of course governments and companies will try to make money out of it.
I take a very pessimistic view on the subject. I think that the changes needed to bring about a reversal in the CO2 levels is too little too late. Our Modern High tech capitalist economy relies on exploiting and destroying the environment and the greed for profit will never have allowed those changes to be made. Also people are unwilling (understandably) to alter their life styles. We are living at the top end of technological achievement but not at the top end of HUMAN achievement. Ie what are we destroying the planet for? Little bits of paper. Humans lived for thousands of years in many cases in harmony with their environment and causing very little disruption to the eco system. The changes have been accelerated since the industrial revolution but go back further like when in the UK the forests were mostly destroyed in order to make charcoal for smelting.
I do think it could have been different and the demonising of Hemp in the US in 37 really was a bad move. I think that could have made a real difference, but companies were threatened and took action. Otherwise we may not be so reliant on petroleum products and all the nasty damaging effects of it.
This will probably be my last post although I havent really posted much here. I am in the middle of creating my off grid self sufficient Utopia I recomend you do the same. Peace

manonthemoon · 01-02-2011, 10:57 AM

Mountains of Mars, humans are not warming the planet- it is impossible to do so as CO2 does not warm the atmosphere. That goes against the laws of physics, in particular Thermodynamics see here http://claesjohnson.blogspot.com/sea...thermodynamics
. CO2 has never caused temperature rise in the geologic past- instead, it FOLLOWS temperature rises. Earths temp rises and 600-800 years later (approx) CO2 follows, then when temps drop, after the time lag CO2 drops. This is due to ocean solubility which varies with temperature.

Your post is well meaning, but clearly you do not have even the most basic comprehension of the science, instead, you are taken in by the propaganda. Don't listen to the British Brainwashing Corporation. Learn some unbiased hard physical science and think for yourself!

As for Monkton, he is not a scientist, he is a campaigner for truth and as to why he has never been peer reviewed, well he wouldn't as he has not published original research! Besides which, researchers who do not believe in MMGW find it difficult to even get published in the Climatology journals as the warmist scientists control the journals. Nice try, but BIG FAIL. See Climategate for how they "change the meaning of peer review".

The trouble with Monckton though is that he is not a true skeptic/realist, he is a lukewarmer. HE does believe in the fictitious greenhouse effect.

The whole science of climatology is corrupted beyond belief by government money- billions funding junk research and corporation money (carbon trading, "green" technology etc).

In reality, more CO2 is GOOD for nature. It does not warm the atmosphere, but what it does do is feed plants, make plants grow better. Everything they tell you is opposite to the truth. CO2 is a GREEN gas, it is the very reason plants are green.

You are right, however to distrust government. They are using the Global Warming/ Climate change con to further control and restrict our lives, to charge higher and higher taxes, to rip us off and imprison us.

dolores1 · 01-02-2011, 11:01 AM

It's the arrogance of these Greens that gets to me, the way they treat people.

They have no humanity in their souls. They only give out the low vibs "I am right" "I will be obeyed"!

I watched the RTE "Debate" ha ha; and the way Lord Moncton was addressed was dispicable. The Green politician woman; who was a set up in the audience there; was so blatently arrogant. She called Moncton a climate denier and he demanded she withdraw the remark.

The remainder of the night the show host used the word "withdraw" to get laughs from his audience at the expence of Lord Moncton, but he only showed his own ignorance.

The RTE audience were not happy!

the lost · 01-02-2011, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by manonthemoon

Mountains of Mars, humans are not warming the planet- it is impossible to do so as CO2 does not warm the atmosphere. That goes against the laws of physics, in particular Thermodynamics see here http://claesjohnson.blogspot.com/sea...thermodynamics
. CO2 has never caused temperature rise in the geologic past- instead, it FOLLOWS temperature rises. Earths temp rises and 600-800 years later (approx) CO2 follows, then when temps drop, after the time lag CO2 drops. This is due to ocean solubility which varies with temperature.

Your post is well meaning, but clearly you do not have even the most basic comprehension of the science, instead, you are taken in by the propaganda. Don't listen to the British Brainwashing Corporation. Learn some unbiased hard physical science and think for yourself!

As for Monkton, he is not a scientist, he is a campaigner for truth and as to why he has never been peer reviewed, well he wouldn't as he has not published original research! Besides which, researchers who do not believe in MMGW find it difficult to even get published in the Climatology journals as the warmist scientists control the journals. Nice try, but BIG FAIL. See Climategate for how they "change the meaning of peer review".

The trouble with Monckton though is that he is not a true skeptic/realist, he is a lukewarmer. HE does believe in the fictitious greenhouse effect.

The whole science of climatology is corrupted beyond belief by government money- billions funding junk research and corporation money (carbon trading, "green" technology etc).

In reality, more CO2 is GOOD for nature. It does not warm the atmosphere, but what it does do is feed plants, make plants grow better. Everything they tell you is opposite to the truth. CO2 is a GREEN gas, it is the very reason plants are green.

You are right, however to distrust government. They are using the Global Warming/ Climate change con to further control and restrict our lives, to charge higher and higher taxes, to rip us off and imprison us.

+1 or something

Also if it was so set in stone that it was manmade, then why would the scientists involved in the Climategate email scandal needed to have lied, fixed the data, hide data and also threaten other people who went against them and wanted the data to review.

Also the BBC wouldn't touch the story when it was first leaked, the only thing they mentioned is how the poor scientists might have had their personal details leaked when they got hacked, to find out the real meat behind it you had to go online to find out, proving the BBC were not forthcoming with the truth, and you could go as far to say they were covering it up which would point to them being part of it or at least controlled. So much for free press and truth.

standuptothisshit · 01-02-2011, 11:19 AM

Icke himself did a great newsletter a few years ago taking apart every single one of the global warming claims and exposing them for the utter crap they are. Anyone who's on the fence should try and dig that up.

What amuses me is how so many people go along with this utter b/s. I remember about 10 years ago now the newspapers were saying how we would have mild, wet winters and meditteranean summers within the next 20 years.

Then after it started getting progressively colder the past few years, they started saying 'oh no, sorry, we were wrong about the wet, mild winters... what you actually get with global warming is more extremes of temperatures, hot and cold, not JUST warmth...'

So first snow and freezing temperatures were going to be unheard of, now snow and freezing temperatures are a symptom of global warming.

They change the song-sheet all the time to fit their agenda. That's how "scientific" it is.

Anybody who takes that conflicting information as read is living with their head up their arse.

hyundisonata · 01-02-2011, 11:32 AM

Yip the normal B/S .two camps, one saying there is global warming and the other claiming it doesn’t exist. The real truth is yes the planet is warming, it is normal although aided by universal warming and there is nothing you can do about it full stop, unless you’re a god lol. The second point being is that those who started the ball rolling on climate change are operating a massive scam on behalf of the pharmaceutical companies. Yip its all about profit and keeping you semi ill. But hey if you are all fighting with each other over the weather then you will not ask the simple question ,and I guarantee you will not get it answered .and that is , what is the daily tonnage absorbed by such as all life on this planet. All plant life as well. Then there is the amount absorbed by the land and oceans plus what is lost out into space. Then ask what is the amount available daily .then its simple math’s to find the truth. You’re all part of a future financial plan to make the rich richer. In reducing co2 available you are committing suicide people. Your body needs it to survive. It regulates your PH system. It supplies the means for oxygen to reach the organs and lots more. but if you do not believe me then go fill a room with oxygen and remove the co2 and then see how long you will survive .but hey don’t listen to daft old me just go ask the question simples.

31-01-2011, 10:07 PM	#1
rreeve Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Still trying to work that out Posts: 4,941	Meet The Climate Sceptics Storyville episode - 'Meet the climate sceptics' ON RIGHT NOW BBC Four (22:00 31/01/11_ Heres a link to watch it online: http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/watchlive/ Here some of the theories on my Climate Change is a load of bull ON MAINSTREAM BBC. I wonder if they make Climate truthers look like uninformed idiots because we all know this is what they want. __________________ You can never know if quotes on the internet are genuine -Abraham Lincoln ------------------------------------------------------------------------ When a white army battles Indians and wins, it is called a great victory, but if they lose it is called a massacre. Chiksika/Cheeseekau

31-01-2011, 10:34 PM	#2
rreeve Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Still trying to work that out Posts: 4,941	Sorry guys I should have known better, I shouldn't even have given this program the time of day, never mind the promotion of it on a forum. Its was a ridiculous attempt to discredit and mislead people. After EXACTLY 17mins of watching I've switched off because its blatantly an attempt to discredit climate truthers and make them look like a bunch of senile eccentrics, violent crazy people or willing MIS-informers or rather liars. They EVEN had the nerve to say many of the conferences are organized by multi-national companies such as Exxon who want to preserve their oil industry and conference attendees were mostly OAPs who's whole life has been built upon an industry of fossil fuels. Its an interesting, eye-brow lifting realization that TPTB are obviously starting to go on the offensive against climate truthers. Do you think they could be getting nervous as our numbers continue to grow? I do. After some of the stuff I've read on this forum and many others only a moron would believe that climate change is man-made. However this is where were at at the moment but with the relentless chemtrail polluting of our sky's it won't be long until climate change it really man-made. I'm starting to think this is ONE of their motives behind chemtrails... to turn their lying scientific papers which have mislead the public into authoritive accurate studies. I certainly wouldn't put it past them. Anything to force through their shameful dictatorship CORPORATE global governance. __________________ You can never know if quotes on the internet are genuine -Abraham Lincoln ------------------------------------------------------------------------ When a white army battles Indians and wins, it is called a great victory, but if they lose it is called a massacre. Chiksika/Cheeseekau

31-01-2011, 11:51 PM	#5
john white Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 6,232	http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ght-reply.html "Froggie" failed to get this held up in the courts today. He wanted the programme to include a 3 minute "right to reply". It's obviously going to be a hard hatchet job (Monckton is hated for derailing Copenhagen) I'm just waiting for it to come up on IPlayer to check it out __________________ Free your Self and Free the World

01-02-2011, 01:01 AM	#6
john white Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 6,232	It wasn't too bad.... a lot of good stuff actually did get mentioned in it... what the programme didn't do was reveal the fraud in the models, mention the lack of warming from 1995-2010 and it focused on the character of Monckton more than the substance of what was said... so it denied the real heavy hits in the sceptical case More power us I say, in that it shows the BEEB has finally had to respond to all the ground it has lost on the net in the last 5 years... and this is fairer than the job they tried to do on 9/11 truth The end result is this is going to stimulate the debate EVEN more Especially if BEEB viewers start checking out Alex Jones.... __________________ Free your Self and Free the World

01-02-2011, 08:44 AM	#13
largejack Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Very near several Ghostships and a new one Posts: 7,792	Why are the BBC never targeted in protests? Bizarre! They are one of the sickest organisations in this country and probably one of the greatest barriers to free humanity in terms of the information they try to smother us with? __________________ The political landscape is changing; the right on the right, the left on the left, and the Conspiracy Theorists holding Centre Ground! "And we would have got away with it too, if it wasn't for those pesky Infowarriors?" Last edited by largejack; 01-02-2011 at 08:47 AM.

31-01-2011, 10:43 PM	#3
hsm123 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 574	lol i just turned it on, and they are making Christopher Monckton sound as if he doesn't have no science to back it up, they were showing him doing some speech. You can just tell this whole show is designed to discredit the truth about climate change.

01-02-2011, 03:10 AM	#11
truepositive Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 2,382	Well known tactic rreeve, trying to cover both sides of an agenda and in this case doing a scarily good job at it. Thanks for the efforts of putting this up and the honest reply afterwards nonetheless, that in itself is worth something no doubt

01-02-2011, 05:59 AM	#12
steppewar Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: a cloud in cuckoo land Posts: 4,415	I've just watched it. Standard formulaic BBC anti conspiracy theory program. They start off seemingly giving the "conspirators" credibility, respect, etc. Then at the end of the program they basically call them insane, dangerous psychopaths. The 9/11 conspiracy programs the BBC aired followed exactly the same formula.

01-02-2011, 10:30 AM	#15
mountains of mars Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 14	wrong The whole climate change sceptic debacle has actually changed my way of looking at a lot of conspiracy theory and has made me a lot more sceptical of things I read and see online. I have read extensively on the subject and I think that scientific thinking is the best way of looking at data. I dont argue with climate sceptics anymore and I also am withdrawing from a lot of online timewasting.I should make it clear that I believe that man made climate change is irrefutable and I although Monkton is obviously intelligent his analysis of the data is very badly flawed. I realise that the most vocal of people on here will be angry at this post and I am sorry that unfortunately this attitude is reflected in the wider argument of sceptics. Ask yourself why Monkton refuses to have his theories peer reviewed as is the case with ALL other science. Seperate the two issues of politics and science and look at them critically. I think that the science is correct and yes we definately are warming the planet. But on the other hand I distrust Al Gore and am very distrustful of all government in general. But this does not mean that its all a conspiracy and that the information is incorrect. Of course governments and companies will try to make money out of it. I take a very pessimistic view on the subject. I think that the changes needed to bring about a reversal in the CO2 levels is too little too late. Our Modern High tech capitalist economy relies on exploiting and destroying the environment and the greed for profit will never have allowed those changes to be made. Also people are unwilling (understandably) to alter their life styles. We are living at the top end of technological achievement but not at the top end of HUMAN achievement. Ie what are we destroying the planet for? Little bits of paper. Humans lived for thousands of years in many cases in harmony with their environment and causing very little disruption to the eco system. The changes have been accelerated since the industrial revolution but go back further like when in the UK the forests were mostly destroyed in order to make charcoal for smelting. I do think it could have been different and the demonising of Hemp in the US in 37 really was a bad move. I think that could have made a real difference, but companies were threatened and took action. Otherwise we may not be so reliant on petroleum products and all the nasty damaging effects of it. This will probably be my last post although I havent really posted much here. I am in the middle of creating my off grid self sufficient Utopia I recomend you do the same. Peace

01-02-2011, 10:57 AM	#16
manonthemoon Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 365	Mountains Of Arse Mountains of Mars, humans are not warming the planet- it is impossible to do so as CO2 does not warm the atmosphere. That goes against the laws of physics, in particular Thermodynamics see here http://claesjohnson.blogspot.com/sea...thermodynamics . CO2 has never caused temperature rise in the geologic past- instead, it FOLLOWS temperature rises. Earths temp rises and 600-800 years later (approx) CO2 follows, then when temps drop, after the time lag CO2 drops. This is due to ocean solubility which varies with temperature. Your post is well meaning, but clearly you do not have even the most basic comprehension of the science, instead, you are taken in by the propaganda. Don't listen to the British Brainwashing Corporation. Learn some unbiased hard physical science and think for yourself! As for Monkton, he is not a scientist, he is a campaigner for truth and as to why he has never been peer reviewed, well he wouldn't as he has not published original research! Besides which, researchers who do not believe in MMGW find it difficult to even get published in the Climatology journals as the warmist scientists control the journals. Nice try, but BIG FAIL. See Climategate for how they "change the meaning of peer review". The trouble with Monckton though is that he is not a true skeptic/realist, he is a lukewarmer. HE does believe in the fictitious greenhouse effect. The whole science of climatology is corrupted beyond belief by government money- billions funding junk research and corporation money (carbon trading, "green" technology etc). In reality, more CO2 is GOOD for nature. It does not warm the atmosphere, but what it does do is feed plants, make plants grow better. Everything they tell you is opposite to the truth. CO2 is a GREEN gas, it is the very reason plants are green. You are right, however to distrust government. They are using the Global Warming/ Climate change con to further control and restrict our lives, to charge higher and higher taxes, to rip us off and imprison us. __________________ peace, love, understanding, tolerance and DEATH to the Illuminae regards Operative Manonthemoon of THE RESISTANCE WAKE UP! "some of those that were forces, are the same that burn crosses" Last edited by manonthemoon; 01-02-2011 at 11:02 AM. Reason: Improvement

01-02-2011, 11:01 AM	#17
dolores1 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Over the hill and round the bend Posts: 12,287	It's the arrogance of these Greens that gets to me, the way they treat people. They have no humanity in their souls. They only give out the low vibs "I am right" "I will be obeyed"! I watched the RTE "Debate" ha ha; and the way Lord Moncton was addressed was dispicable. The Green politician woman; who was a set up in the audience there; was so blatently arrogant. She called Moncton a climate denier and he demanded she withdraw the remark. The remainder of the night the show host used the word "withdraw" to get laughs from his audience at the expence of Lord Moncton, but he only showed his own ignorance. The RTE audience were not happy!

01-02-2011, 11:19 AM	#19
standuptothisshit Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 786	Icke himself did a great newsletter a few years ago taking apart every single one of the global warming claims and exposing them for the utter crap they are. Anyone who's on the fence should try and dig that up. What amuses me is how so many people go along with this utter b/s. I remember about 10 years ago now the newspapers were saying how we would have mild, wet winters and meditteranean summers within the next 20 years. Then after it started getting progressively colder the past few years, they started saying 'oh no, sorry, we were wrong about the wet, mild winters... what you actually get with global warming is more extremes of temperatures, hot and cold, not JUST warmth...' So first snow and freezing temperatures were going to be unheard of, now snow and freezing temperatures are a symptom of global warming. They change the song-sheet all the time to fit their agenda. That's how "scientific" it is. Anybody who takes that conflicting information as read is living with their head up their arse. __________________ FORUM TROLL. "Be open-minded. Be extremely open-minded. But don't be too open-minded. Your brains will fall out." Nobody's smart but ME!

01-02-2011, 11:32 AM	#20
hyundisonata Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: edinburgh scotland Posts: 40	Yip the normal B/S .two camps, one saying there is global warming and the other claiming it doesn’t exist. The real truth is yes the planet is warming, it is normal although aided by universal warming and there is nothing you can do about it full stop, unless you’re a god lol. The second point being is that those who started the ball rolling on climate change are operating a massive scam on behalf of the pharmaceutical companies. Yip its all about profit and keeping you semi ill. But hey if you are all fighting with each other over the weather then you will not ask the simple question ,and I guarantee you will not get it answered .and that is , what is the daily tonnage absorbed by such as all life on this planet. All plant life as well. Then there is the amount absorbed by the land and oceans plus what is lost out into space. Then ask what is the amount available daily .then its simple math’s to find the truth. You’re all part of a future financial plan to make the rich richer. In reducing co2 available you are committing suicide people. Your body needs it to survive. It regulates your PH system. It supplies the means for oxygen to reach the organs and lots more. but if you do not believe me then go fill a room with oxygen and remove the co2 and then see how long you will survive .but hey don’t listen to daft old me just go ask the question simples.