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Old 23-01-2011, 07:49 PM   #1
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Jack Straw, the justice secretary in the former British government, sparked controversy when he accused young men of Pakistani origin in Britain as regarding vulnerable native girls as "easy meat" for sexual abuse. The Blackburn MP and one of the Labor Party’s most prominent figures challenged the Pakistani community in the United Kingdom to tackle a problem that has resulted in "Pakistani heritage men thinking it is OK to target native girls in this way".

Mr. Straw made his remarks after two Asian men were jailed indefinitely in Nottingham for a series of rapes and sexual attacks on vulnerable girls they had picked up on the streets.

Jack Straw seems to have a campaign to demonise and stereotype Muslims. If he was honestly tackling a problem he would have done it in a different way.

Why it is a surprise that white woman are easier to get into bed than a Pakistani women and not to mention we are in the UK which happens to be a mainly white population.

I believe he concerned about the number of white female converts to Islam because some of them see the real Islam through a Pakistani brother.

A nursery worker had been arrested for sexually abusing children aged 2-3 at a nursery. Sick, but Jack Straw does not say that there is a large number of paedo's still around, or that the church is full of paedo priests. Why the hypocrisy?

The latest year, for which we have data, Lancashire police arrested 627 people for sexual offences. 0.3% of these were Pakistanis. That’s two people. 85.5% were white British. In Lancashire, there are 1,296,900 white Brits and 45,000 Pakistanis. This means that 4.163 per 10,000 white Brits were arrested for a sex crime, compared to 0.44 Pakistanis

If you look at my religion sex outside marriage, drink and drugs are all a sin and are forbidden. Also the third biggest sin in Islam is adultery, which these men also committed. They aren't very good Muslims are they? The actions they committed are all against Islam and the punishment under Sharia would be........I think you all know!!!

A major newspaper investigation linked some British Pakistani youths with the sexual exploitation of underage native girls in towns across North and Midland. Some of them are convicted of grooming underage native girls for sex because they think that these girls have fewer morals and are less valuable than Muslim girls. Now decent Pakistani men will be looked at as potential child abusers but last year 80% of child abusers were native Brits.

These Pakistani youths are British born and educated in state schools with non-Muslim monolingual teachers. They are the product of western education system which makes a man stupid, selfish and corrupt. They have been mis-educated and de-educated and they do not know where they belong. They suffer from identity crises. They speak English in local accents. They are unable to speak, read and write Urdu language. They find themselves cut off from their cultural roots and are unable to enjoy the beauty of their literature and poetry. Such individuals are fully assimilated into British culture. What do you expect from such individuals? Instead of sending them to prison, they should be included in New Year Honour List. In the past a Muslim girl was awarded MBE for running way from her parents. Now there are round about 6000 runaway Muslim girls in the custody of LAs. They should also be included in the Honour List. Thanks to the British education system.

Most teenage girls, but especially the girls who hang around the streets have no roots, low self esteem etc and so is easy prey for any group - any group - who cares to seduce them. Lots of “KID’s” around 12 to 14 start partying! (drinking, doing drugs & having sex). This was happening in the 60s & 70s, so I am sure it’s worse now. The big issue is, where the PARENTS are. British parents already lost the battle to have any control over their children.

Britain’s so brilliant Education Ministry had embarked on teaching sex to 5 year olds from last year. Britain already has health and social services, including counseling for children who are sexually active. One initiative has distributed contraceptives to girls as young as 11. Tony Blair said it is the right thing to do– handing free contraceptives to British girls. The Institute for Public Policy Research found that a major reason for Britain’s thug generation was the collapse of British family life. Evidence also showed that British adults are afraid to control their drunk, high, fornicating and violent teens. The adults also lagged behind their European peers in confronting their teenagers about “antisocial” behavior.

The native Brits have double standards and are hypocrites; they don't mention the fact that the majority of men who go to countries in East Asia looking for under aged sex are natives European men.

This is sickening. It's no wonder Great Britain is in such a bad shape. Ten years old British girls are haveing babies out of wedlock. They are not allowed to get married but are allowed to have babies. Teenage pregnancy rate in Great Britain is the highest in Western Europe. It is a civilised country and Yemen is a backward country because it allowes young girls to get married.

Indiscipline, incivility, binge drinking, drug addiction, gun and knife crimes, teenage pregnancies and abortion are part and parcel of British schooling. These are the reasons why majority of Muslim parents would like to send their children to Muslim schools with Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods. Only less than 5% attend Muslim schools and more than 95% keep on attending state and church schools to be mis-educated and de-educated by non-Muslim monolingual teachers.

There are hundreds of state and church schools where Muslim children are in majority. In my opinion, all such schools may be opted out as Muslim Academies. There is no place for a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school.
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Old 23-01-2011, 07:52 PM   #2
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Jack Straw is a prick. I doubt many people take much notice of him and his opinions.
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A nursery worker had been arrested for sexually abusing children aged 2-3 at a nursery. Sick, but Jack Straw does not say that there is a large number of paedo's still around, or that the church is full of paedo priests. Why the hypocrisy?
Well paedophilia is not a crime in Islam; Mohammad after all "deflowered" his youngest wife when she was allegedly 9 years old.




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If you look at my religion sex outside marriage, drink and drugs are all a sin and are forbidden. Also the third biggest sin in Islam is adultery, which these men also committed. They aren't very good Muslims are they? The actions they committed are all against Islam and the punishment under Sharia would be........I think you all know!!!
You obviously have not read the Koran or you are just cherry picking it.

Koran 70:22-30

"Not so the worshippers,.......... who restrain their carnal desire (save with their wives and their slave girls, for these are lawful to them: he that lusts after other than these is a transgressor..."

The idea that sex outside of marriage is forbidden in the Koran is blasphemous. Muslims are also allowed to have sex with their slave girls (to whom they are not married

FROM THE QURAN - 33:50

".... We have made lawful to you the wives whom you have granted dowries and the slave girls whom God has given you as booty;..."

Booty refers to the looting which happens after conflicts with infidels (non Muslims), and captive females were part of this "booty."

Muslims are obliged to make war against non Muslims, but they can take the non Muslim women captive and rape them.


"Ghulan Haider, 11, is to be married to Faiz Mohammed, 40. She had hoped to become a teacher but was forced to quit her classes when she became engaged."


"Roshan Qasem, 11, will be marrying Said Mohammed, 55, and joining his first wife; their three sons; and their daughter, who is the same age as Roshan."


"Majabin Mohammed, 13, at left, sits with her husband of six months, Mohammed Fazal, 45, his first wife and their child. Village elders advised him to accept Majabin as payment for a gambling debt."


It is perfectly legal (under Islamic Law) to kill non Muslim males and rape the females. The court case where young Muslim men were preying on English girls for sex was under British Law; however technically the only crime in Islamic Law they commited was their failure to slaughter non Muslim males prior to raping their victims.

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The native Brits have double standards and are hypocrites; they don't mention the fact that the majority of men who go to countries in East Asia looking for under aged sex are natives European men.


It is very common for Muslim men from the wealthier Muslim states or from Europe to go to Pakistan to buy their wives as they are cheaper there. For example a Saudi wife can cost around $20,000 on average, whereas a wife from Pakistan can cost around $500, and the "age" of the girl is entirely irrelevant. At least Western sex tourists just hire prostitutes by the hour or the day, whereas when a Muslim buys a woman she becomes a lifelong sex slave and domestic servant (though the Muslims do at times make short term contracts; which is just an Islamic form of prostitution).

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This is sickening. It's no wonder Great Britain is in such a bad shape. Ten years old British girls are haveing babies out of wedlock
It is only sickening to you because they are not Muslims. If Mohammad fucked a 9 year girl or a Muslim buys a child bride, that is certainly not Haram (forbidden).



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There is no place for a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school.
Well non Muslim teachers would probably refuse to indoctrinate children with a primitive and savage religion.

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Sex with animals and sex with children in Islam

http://noah.simonstudio.com/2010/03/...ayatollah.html

"The leader of the Iranian Revolution in 1989, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, wrote extensively on Islamic Jurisprudence. A two-volume book, which was published originally in Arabic, was called ‘Tahrir al Wasilah’. Translated into Farsi, the book is called “Tahrirolvasyleh.” (read entire text here.) Khomeini also had another treatise on Islamic rules for living, called in English, “The Little Green Book.” (see entire text here.)

It is useful to understand what an esteemed Islamic leader such as the Ayatollah teaches his followers.

Here are some excerpts from “Tahrirolvasyleh” which Muslims probably don’t want you to know about Islam:

"A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate vaginally, but sodomising the child is acceptable. If a man does penetrate and damage the child then, he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl will not count as one of his four permanent wives and the man will not be eligible to marry the girl’s sister… It is better for a girl to marry at such a time when she would begin menstruation at her husband’s house, rather than her father’s home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven.

["Tahrirolvasyleh", fourth edition, Qom, Iran, 1990]

"A man can have sex with animals such as sheep, cows, camels and so on. However, he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village, but selling the meat to a neighbouring village is reasonable."

"If one commits the act of sodomy with a cow, a ewe, or a camel, their urine and their excrement become impure and even their milk may no longer be consumed. The animal must then be killed as quickly as possible and burned."

"Wine and all intoxicating beverages are impure, but opium and hashish are not. "

"If a man sodomises the son, brother, or father of his wife after their marriage, the marriage remains valid."

"During sexual intercourse, if the penis enters a woman’s vagina or a man’s anus, fully or only as far as the circumcision ring, both partners become impure, even if they have not reached puberty; they must consequently perform ablutions."

"A woman who has contracted a continuing marriage does not have the right to go out of the house without her husband’s permission; she must remain at his disposal for the fulfilment of any one of his desires, and may not refuse herself to him except for a religiously valid reason. If she is totally submissive to him, the husband must provide her with her food, clothing, and lodging, whether or not he has the means to do so. A woman who refuses herself to her husband is guilty, and may not demand from him food, clothing, lodging, or any later sexual relations; however, she retains the right to be paid damages if she is repudiated."


"It is not illegal for an adult male to ‘thigh’ or enjoy a young girl who is still in the age of weaning; meaning to place his penis between her thighs, and to kiss her. "


“The Sayings of Ayatollah Khomeini, Political, Philosophical, Social and Religious” (The Little Green Book), ISBN number 0-553-14032-9.





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Jack Straw seems to have a campaign to demonise and stereotype Muslims. If he was honestly tackling a problem he would have done it in a different way.
Well since Islam demands war against non Muslims, if Jack Straw was to tackle the problem appropriately, perhaps he sould consider the mass execution of Muslims or mass crucifixions (Nb. Crucifixion is prescribed in the Koran for apostacy; i.e., Muslims who give up their faith)


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Why it is a surprise that white woman are easier to get into bed than a Pakistani women and not to mention we are in the UK which happens to be a mainly white population.
That is because we have to seduce our women; whereas Muslims can just go to Pakistan and buy them, and if a Muslim male were to have sex with a young Muslim woman without buying her off her father first, the girl's family may well hunt him down and kill him.

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A nursery worker had been arrested for sexually abusing children aged 2-3 at a nursery. Sick, but Jack Straw does not say that there is a large number of paedo's still around, or that the church is full of paedo priests. Why the hypocrisy?
Hypocrisy? The text of the Bible does encourage the selling of daughters (sex slavery) and the gang rape of captives, and is just as bad as the Koran in this respect however it is not at all illegal for Muslims, according to their Prophet and their Imams to have sex with children.

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They are the product of western education system which makes a man stupid, selfish and corrupt.


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Britain’s so brilliant Education Ministry had embarked on teaching sex to 5 year olds from last year.
So you object to secular schools offering children a sex education, but it is OK for Muslim shcools to promote a religion which teaches that it is OK to have sex with children and to purchase them as sex slaves from their fathers (Nb. The Bible is just as bad in this respect, but this is generally not practiced in modern cultures)?


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One initiative has distributed contraceptives to girls as young as 11.
So you don't object to a religion where it is OK for an old man to have penetrative sex with a child prior to puberty, but you object to them using contraceptives? Wel, that makes perfect sense.

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The native Brits have double standards and are hypocrites;
Normally, for a person to make such a statement like that, I would just assume that your mother may have dropped you on your head at birth and that you may just be mentally retarded; unfortunately it is entirely typical of even mentally normal religious fanatics to be hypocrites; it does not seem to bother you to belong to a cult whose prophet fucked a 9 year old girl (Mohammad allegedly had up to 23 wives and concubines) and his armies took women as sex slaves. The good news is that there "is" a cure; it is called apostasy (giving up your stupid religion).

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There are hundreds of state and church schools where Muslim children are in majority. In my opinion, all such schools may be opted out as Muslim Academies
The British Humanist Association is currently arguing that since there are more atheists in Britain than there are Muslims, that if Muslims and Christians can have schools paid for by the state, that the state should pay for "atheist" schools also. Based on this logic, perhaps we should have Satanic state sponsored schools for the children of Satanists.

Personally I think the idea of indoctrinating children with "any" religion constitutes child abuse, apart from, of course, the teaching of comparative religion, which is simply an academic study and which often deters people from joining religions, since the stupidity of religious beliefs often becomes apparent, and further the study of the history of religion is often just the study of gross human evil, religious wars, inquistions, etc. Personally I think the study of "Psychology of Religion (the techniques and effects of religious hypnosis and indoctrination) should be compulsory, as it may protect children from professional hypnotists (i.e, the priesthood, Imams, clergy, etc) and religious Internet propagandists who are usually themselves the victims of professional hypnotists.

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Jack Straw seems to have a campaign to demonise and stereotype Muslims.
bingo.. all these muslim bashing / demonizing / vilification threads have one thing in common
the evident failure to acknowledge what is happening in our own communities where catholic
priests have for decades sexually prey [no pun intended] on innocent children..im not saying
that it's okay to equally turn a blindeye on muslims if indeed they are molesting children...

however, undercover government agents (or paid shills) could be behind those picket signs!!
one thing for sure, tho. a fully clothed adult sitting next to a fully clothed girl has no sexual
meaning.....this is all a propaganda campaign attempt to villify one' culture & religious beliefs
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bingo.. all these muslim bashing / demonizing / vilification threads have one thing in common
the evident failure to acknowledge what is happening in our own communities where catholic
priests have for decades sexually prey [no pun intended] on innocent children..im not saying
that it's okay to equally turn a blindeye on muslims if indeed they are molesting children...
The Bible is just as bad as the Koran and the Christians are just as bad as the Muslims and would not argue otherwise.

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however, undercover government agents (or paid shills) could be behind those picket signs!!
Yes it is standard practice for the intelligence community, but they don't have to "make stuff up" about the stupidity of Muslims, they could just quote from the Koran or from the sermons numerous genocidal Imams

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one thing for sure, tho. a fully clothed adult sitting next to a fully clothed girl has no sexual
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Perhaps you did not read the text but those 11 year old pictured were about to get married to those old men. If you conisder there to be nothing sexual about marriage, I doubt that your opinion is shared by most Muslims.

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.....this is all a propaganda campaign attempt to villify one' culture & religious beliefs


Thank goodness that Muslims never attempt to villify Western culture or competing religions (see post number one for an example of a Muslim villifying Western culture).

My criticisms of the religion business are not the criticisms of a competing religionist; I try to discriminate against "all" forms of organised religion.




I have travelled widely throughout the Islamic world and I certainly plead guilty to considering Islamic culture to be generally barbaric, primitive and misogynistic. Further, although slavery existed long before Islam, the fact that Mohammad was a slave trader and endorsed the practice of slavery has given a religious justification for Muslims to suport the practice slavery for the last

Certainly the primitive Biblical deity also supports and even demands slavery, however in our "superior" Western culture, slavery has long since been illegal (this is not to suggest that it does not occur; on the contrary).

If there is a God, I think that She could have done a lot better than to chose an illiterate slave trader as a "Last Prophet;" it seems to be rather an insult to Her intelligence.

Call me a cultural supremacist and an anti-religionist if you wish, but your pro-"slavery" Islamic culture (where "all" women are essentially slaves) needs to be eradicated from the face of the earth. After all it is an Islamic duty to wage war on non-Muslim; it is an entirely morally appropriate and predictable response if your enemies tend to take the opposing view.

Islamic religionists are morally subhuman savages who have no place in the modern world.

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"Condemning European Slavery & Sparing Islam, the Bigger Culprit

http://www.islam-watch.org/index.php...khan&Itemid=58

It’s a popular wisdom that the only slavery existed in history is the black slavery, whereby European traders captured and transported black Africans to the New World (Americas, West Indies).

Ask a Muslim; he/she will tell you so. An America-born young Muslim wrote to me: “Do you know how the American slave-hunters went to Africa, seized the black people and brought them to America as slaves? America’s economic power owes a great deal to the labor of those slaves.”

Nation of Islam’s Louis Farrakhan terms the trans-Atlantic slave-trade "worst and most cruel slavery" in history, adding that some white Americans do not know that "they are in the privileged position… based on what happened to us (Blacks)" in the past.

An overwhelming majority of Muslims believe that Islamic history is devoid of the abhorrent practice of slavery. Rocky Davis (aka Shahid Malik), an Australian Aboriginal convert to Islam, told the ABC Radio that “Christianity were the founders of slavery. Not Islam.”

Indeed, from my own experience of living as a Muslim for 35 years, this is one of the major reasons of why anti-West hatred is so strong amongst Muslims.

When Muslims in India talk about the practice of slavery in the subcontinent, they talk about the harrowing tales of how the Portuguese transported slaves from coastal areas of Goa, Kerala and Bengal in terrible conditions, and nothing else.

However, when I investigated, I was shocked to discover that Muslims—armed with divine and prophetic sanctions—practised slavery of a much greater proportion and tragedy, which I have discussed in my recent book, Islamic Jihad: A Legacy of Forced Conversion Imperialism and Slavery.

It is fortunate that President Obama, visiting a former slave-trading fort in Ghana on July 11, condemn this dark chapter in human history rightly as a “great evil”, adding “As African-Americans, there is a special sense that… this place was a place of profound sadness…”

Obama also pointed to a church, standing next to slave-dungeons, to obviate the paradigm as to how European Christians, with sanctions from the church, engaged in black slavery.



This popular paradigm excludes three major facts about slavery:

1.Black slavery was not the only slavery in history. The Arabs, Turks, Indians and even millions of Europeans were also reduced to slavery during the same period and before, with added dimensions of sex-slavery and castration. And the perpetrators were Muslims, not Europeans.
2.Black slaves were not shipped to the New World alone; a greater number were sent to the Islamic world.
3.Even in trans-Atlantic slave-trade, Muslims were complicit and played the cruelest role.

Islamic history informs us that Prophet Muhammad himself, armed with affirmed and reaffirmed divine sanctions (Quran 16:76, 30:28, 16:71, 70:29–30, 23:5–6, 33:50 etc.), initiated Islamic slavery by enslaving the women and children of a number of Arabian tribes
(Quraiza, Khaybar, Mustaliq and Hawazin etc.). Later, as Islamic power grew in leaps and bounds, slavery witnessed a tremendous burst on the world stage. Everywhere Muslims won victory, the women and children of the vanquished were enslaved in massive numbers: General Musa enslaved 300,000 in his conquest of North Africa in 698 and returned from his conquest of Spain in 715 with the Caliph’s one-fifth share of the booty that included 30,000 white virgins from the Visigothic nobility alone, while Sultan Mahmud returned from his invasion of India in 1001–02 CE with 500,000 enslaved women and children. This is only a tip of the iceberg.



No small victims of Islamic slavery were Europeans themselves, who started falling victims to Islamic assaults in the Mediterranean islands within two decades after Muhammad’s death. And it continued well into the 19th century: the Ottomans, even in their decisive defeat and retreat from the Gates of Vienna in 1683, returned with 80,000 white captives, while Barbary pirates enslaved up to 1.5 million Europeans between the 1530s and 1820s, from European merchant-ships off the North African coast, plus from slave-raiding expeditions to costal villages and islands of Europe.

Even American merchant-ships and their crew suffered horrible Barbary depredations and enslavements. Prior to independence, Britain negotiated the release of captured American ship-crews whenever possible paying heavy ransom. After 1776, America signed treaties with Barbary States for securing safety of her ships by paying hefty tribute. To placate Muslims in Cairo speech, President Obama flaunted this humiliating treaty on America’s part as a respectful past relationship between Islam and America. As demand for higher ransom and depredations of U.S. ships continued, America had to engage in a difficult war to stop horrible enslavement of Americans in North Africa. Putting an end to continued enslavement of Europeans was a major reason behind France’s invasion of Morocco in 1830.



It’s noteworthy that the Europeans, Obama’s exclusive target of condemnation for slavery, were subjected to Islamic enslavement in the cruelest form for some eight centuries, before they themselves embarked on the practice—the widely condemned trans-Atlantic slave-trade.

Moreover, even in the European slave-trade in Africa, it was Muslims—the well-established masters of slave-hunting, -breeding and -trading for many centuries—who supplied over 80% of the slaves to European traders, the latter mainly purchased and transported them. The European slave-trade only offered a stimulus and played a lucrative partner for Muslims to a long-established Islamic vocation in Africa.

What is accurate about Obama’s statement about slavery in Ghana is that European slavery was “where the journey of much of African-American experience began”. The cruel aspect aside, it left a positive end of some kind: the Black Diaspora in the new world, definitely more fortunate today than their left-behind brethren.



Yet, this is only half the truth. There was another African slave-journey—lasting longer and larger in magnitude—that began with the Arab Muslim invasion of Africa in the 7-8th century. And it has left behind no residue whatsoever, an extermination of human species of huge magnitude—thanks to universal castration of black male-slaves destined for Islamic markets.

The inhumanity of Islamic castration of immense number of African men wasn’t the robbing of their most natural identity and endowment, i.e. their manhood, alone, but mortality in castration was about 75 percent. Overall mortality-rate of black slaves headed to the Islamic world, from procurement to reaching the destination, was as high as 90%, but their mortality in transportation by Europeans to the New World was about 10 percent.

Obama’s condemnation of European-Christian slavery, a horror chapter in history, is laudable, but his exclusion of Islam, the crueler partner in the same crime, is not. It does gross injustice to those unfortunate souls that suffered from this tragic Islamic scourge. And those souls also include millions of Christian Europeans, his sole target of condemnation.

European slavery has been thoroughly condemned by all and sundry—Europeans or non-Europeans, Christians or Muslims, scholars or laymen. And despite, Europe’s singular and forceful role in its abolition and from where slavery has been effectively abolished, anti-slavery campaigners have long called today’s Europeans to assume greater responsibility for past slavery and take concrete actions, such as payment of reparations, to combat slavery’s destructive legacy. But Islam—whose role in slavery is much bigger, crueler, and more tragic—remains thoroughly untouched; as if Islam and its followers were/are untouched by the vice of slavery.

In fact, some Islamic countries (Mauritania, Saudi Arabia & Sudan) have continued practising slavery to this day, while Sudan has intensified it in recent decades, thanks to lack of criticism of Muslim engagement in slavery, whether historical or present. Some 600,000 souls in Mauritania remain shackled in continued slavery with no hope for liberation in sight, while tens of thousands of Christians, Animists and even Muslims have been kidnapped and reduced to slavery in Sudan since Islamists came to power in 1985 (Khan, Islamic Jihad, p. 347–49).



Video Above: The Islamic Slave Trade

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Excellent posts luciferhorus..!
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luciferhorus, would you know by any chance why feminists who are normally very keen to smash patriarchy are deafenly silent on Islam ascendent claiming its "booty" in Europe?
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luciferhorus, would you know by any chance why feminists who are normally very keen to smash patriarchy are deafenly silent on Islam ascendent claiming its "booty" in Europe?
I really don't know of any feminists of the kind that you refer to. I would have thought that most feminists would want to nuke the Islamic world.

I did hear of a feminist novel which was about a feminist scientist who discovered a cure for paternalism and misogyny; it was a germ warfare virus which wiped out every single male in the world. All that remained of the males in the world was their semen refrigerated in semen banks. The firstborn generation of new males were then raised in a completely maternalistic world. It was just a novel, but I recall that many feminists thought that it was a wonderful idea. When it comes to Islamic men and religious fanatics, most feminists seem to be borderline or actual misandrists (hatred of men), and frankly I don't blame them.

Since the Koran demands total war against all non Muslims and the capturing of their women and female children as sex slaves, I think it to be an entirely appropriate dilaectical response to suggest the genocide of all Muslim males.

One of Christopher Hitchins' often stated ideas is that they way to destroy Islam is through the spread of feminism and women's rights. It is a wonderful idea but unfortunately there are almost a billion Muslims and they have nations and armies; their misogynistic laws are not only enshrined in Law, but they are the holy (???) teachings of their prophet; it is thus not such a simple matter.



In a nuclear age, and with the coming of an entirely new generation of DEW's (Direct Energy Weapons). which seem to be based on relatively simple (and easily reproducable) technology, I fully expect future religous wars to be totally genocidal. Unfortunately, in the future, there may be no other option than the genocide of the entire Islamic world; I say "unfortunately" since it is a terrible thing to consider wiping out a billion people (or at least the males), but it least it may put an end to Islam, which would be "fortunate" for the children of the future world.

Further, it is my impression that such a genocide is anyway the objective of the current economic and military establishment; in the future world they may simply have no other option, and it may not be in the "distant" future either; it would not surprise me if the current Western military establishment carried out false flag attacks on their homelands just as an excuse to nuke Iran. And then there is Israel.... the Israelis are entirely capable of nuking the entire Middle East; they are just waiting for an excuse.

I recall attending anti-war rallies where the political left (I include myself in that definition) and the Muslims would protest side by side, but I have had an intellectual conversion based on years of studying Islam (and also my travels throughout many parts of the Islamic world). The world does not seem to be ready for Anarchist Collectivism and I am becoming more convinced that the only way to deal with genocidal religious fanaticism is through brute force.

"Italian PM Warns Israel May Nuke Iran
by Jason Ditz, December 12, 2010
http://news.antiwar.com/2010/12/12/i...may-nuke-iran/
In a meeting with Defense Secretary Robert Gates, Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi warned that he believed “no one including Obama” could stop Israel from launching an attack against Iran once it had made up its mind.

Berlusconi, who has publicly said previously that he absolutely believes Israel will ultimately attack Iran, was revealed in the new comments, part of a WikiLeaks cable, to be concerned that Israel was planning to use nuclear weapons in the attack.

Though it continues to officially take a position of “ambiguity,” Israel has a large nuclear weapons arsenal and is indeed the only nuclear weapons power in the Middle East. Israeli officials have repeatedly threatened to attack Iran over its civilian nuclear program, claiming it constitutes an “existential” threat.

Berlusconi was said to have been briefed about a 2008 Israeli Air Force exercise in which warplanes flew a mock bombing run over Greece, apparently an attempt to simulate a flight to and attack against Iran. Others, including Australia’s intelligence community, have expressed similar concerns about the possible attack recently."


Not so long ago I would have supported the right of Iran to have nuclear weapons, but if Israel attacks Iran and it is a choice between supporting Israel or Iran, I'll go with Israel.


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I really don't know of any feminists of the kind that you refer to. I would have thought that most feminists would want to nuke the Islamic world.
The reason I ask is because the feminists I know are obsessed with rape theory. The ones I have on twitter tweet about rape all day, yet I haven't heard anyone talk about this issue.

A few years ago when I heard about the equivalent events in Norway and Sweden, some feminists went as far as to say that women should dress more conservatively with one saying that she wouldn't give birth to a white baby.

I suspect this is the reason for the silence:

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The reason I ask is because the feminists I know are obsessed with rape theory. The ones I have on twitter tweet about rape all day, yet I haven't heard anyone talk about this issue.

A few years ago when I heard about the equivalent events in Norway and Sweden, some feminists went as far as to say that women should dress more conservatively with one saying that she wouldn't give birth to a white baby.

I suspect this is the reason for the silence:



http://www.city-journal.org/html/14_2_when_islam.html
Well there are strange people everywhere, and despite my feminist views, to be brutally honest, most European women seem to be obsessed with shopping, their hair, their clothes, fashion, celebrities, soap operas, etc., etc., and they seem to be totally depoliticised; which may explain why you will find that most serious Internet discussion groups which concern subjects such as politics, philosophy etc., to be predominately populated by males.

My girlfriend (Venus) on the other hand is an evangelical feminist, but she is also highly educated, has a grad and post grad degree and she must have a collection of around 10,000 books or so. She would be more likely to engage you in a conversation about the evils of Islam and Christianity than to discuss the latest brand of eye shadow and she would not have a clue about what is happening on the latest soap opera.

By the term "feminist" I don't really think of women who just live in the Western world are the beneficiaries of decades of feminist activism and have adopted popular feminist values; I tend to rather think of educated intellectuals and political activists such as Amy Goodman, for example.

The Dangers of Modern Political Correctness

Political correctness is a misnomer (a false definition); it should really be called ethical correctness; it has nothing to do with correct politics; political philosophy is an entirely separate matter.

In Richard Dawkin's "God Delusion" he makes a scathng attack on some of the stupid values which have been entwined with political correctness and in particular with regards to religion and multi-culturalism. Certainly such maxims as "Don't discriminate against people based on gender,nationality, sexuality, race or whether they are elderly, handicapped, etc.," are all progressive, however if a person's culture or religion advocates slavery, sex slavery, misogyny, paternalism, genocide, etc., (as the texts of the three major world religions do; i.e., the Bible, the Koran and the Vedas) then it is morally irresponsible to tolerate such matters and it is entirely appropriate to criticise and indeed "attack" such cultural and religious beliefs; futher I would say that it is "essential" to attack such views for the sake of the progress of humankind.

A good addition to modern political correctness would be "Wherever possible, do not tolerate injustice," and to those who wish to promote religious fanaticism and inhuman behaviour and attitudes, make sure they know you hate them and make sure everyone else knows too. Humiliate them, judge them and attack them at every available opportunity.

"Thou shalt resist evil."

The Christian mantras of "Turn the other cheek," "Do not Judge" and "Love your enemies," are recipies for defeat and submission to evil. I try never to miss an opportunity to remind my enemies how much I despise them.

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Well paedophilia is not a crime in Islam; Mohammad after all "deflowered" his youngest wife when she was allegedly 9 years old.






You obviously have not read the Koran or you are just cherry picking it.

Koran 70:22-30

"Not so the worshippers,.......... who restrain their carnal desire (save with their wives and their slave girls, for these are lawful to them: he that lusts after other than these is a transgressor..."

The idea that sex outside of marriage is forbidden in the Koran is blasphemous. Muslims are also allowed to have sex with their slave girls (to whom they are not married

FROM THE QURAN - 33:50

".... We have made lawful to you the wives whom you have granted dowries and the slave girls whom God has given you as booty;..."

Booty refers to the looting which happens after conflicts with infidels (non Muslims), and captive females were part of this "booty."

Muslims are obliged to make war against non Muslims, but they can take the non Muslim women captive and rape them.


"Ghulan Haider, 11, is to be married to Faiz Mohammed, 40. She had hoped to become a teacher but was forced to quit her classes when she became engaged."


"Roshan Qasem, 11, will be marrying Said Mohammed, 55, and joining his first wife; their three sons; and their daughter, who is the same age as Roshan."


"Majabin Mohammed, 13, at left, sits with her husband of six months, Mohammed Fazal, 45, his first wife and their child. Village elders advised him to accept Majabin as payment for a gambling debt."


It is perfectly legal (under Islamic Law) to kill non Muslim males and rape the females. The court case where young Muslim men were preying on English girls for sex was under British Law; however technically the only crime in Islamic Law they commited was their failure to slaughter non Muslim males prior to raping their victims.





It is very common for Muslim men from the wealthier Muslim states or from Europe to go to Pakistan to buy their wives as they are cheaper there. For example a Saudi wife can cost around $20,000 on average, whereas a wife from Pakistan can cost around $500, and the "age" of the girl is entirely irrelevant. At least Western sex tourists just hire prostitutes by the hour or the day, whereas when a Muslim buys a woman she becomes a lifelong sex slave and domestic servant (though the Muslims do at times make short term contracts; which is just an Islamic form of prostitution).



It is only sickening to you because they are not Muslims. If Mohammad fucked a 9 year girl or a Muslim buys a child bride, that is certainly not Haram (forbidden).





Well non Muslim teachers would probably refuse to indoctrinate children with a primitive and savage religion.



Christian and Muslim schools are just breeding grounds for religious indoctrination; that is not an "education;" it is quite the opposite of an education.

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You are a retard...
And Judging by your other posts on this forum in defence of Islam, you obviously consider a genocidal, illiterate 7th century slave trader who liked to fuck little girls to be an exemplary human being. I think that practically defines the term "retard."




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ummmm no i consider you a retard hence me calling you a retard
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ummmm no i consider you a retard hence me calling you a retard


ONE of the lamest replies i've ever read.....
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ONE of the lamest replies i've ever read.....
Yes, the intellectual ability of these Islamic propagandists and apologists to defend their illiterate imbeclie of a prophet is amazing; the prophet Mohammad's imbecility seems to be infectious .

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Yes, the intellectual ability of these Islamic propagandists and apologists to defend their illiterate imbeclie of a prophet is amazing; the prophet Mohammad's imbecility seems to be infectious .
Sorry ..let me get my copy and paste skills up to scratch and then throw some insults in and add some pretty pictures to along with it.....
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ONE of the lamest replies i've ever read.....
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Luciferhorus.

Do you believe only religious people commit rapes & sex crimes against children or do you accept that Atheists, Satanists & Occultists do also?

Most probably in larger numbers i'd imagine?

I'd castrate ALL sex offenders regardless of race, religion or creed btw.

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