Sun arrives 2 days early in Greenland...WTF???

[ragnarok]

Go on, I'd be interested in seeing your pics just to see if they back your assertions as much as you think they do.

[octopus]

I have dug up this thread a year after the news to see if anybody knows whether the sunrise was on time this year.

I googled Greenland and sunrise and only got last year's reports.

[yass]

Again the Sun rises 2 days early in the Arctic Thu Jan 12, 2012

Same thing happened last year!
Billie

You'll have to Google translate this one.
http://news.orf.at/stories/2035937/2035934/

Here's a translation:

In Greenland, the sun after the polar night of this year has risen by two
days early. According to the KNR Radio Greenland showed the central star in
Ilulissat, on Tuesday at exactly 12:56:57 Clock. Normally, the sun rises in
the West Greenland settlement, however, until 13 First time in January again


An expert from the University of Vienna suggests that the observation may be
due to the recent strong accelerated melting of the Greenland ice sheet. One
thing is certain - the constellation of the stars has certainly changed.
The Greenlandic town IlulissatAP / Michael KappelerIlulissat is located in
West Greenland and living from fishing and tourism.

Inhabitants of the third-largest city with 4,500 inhabitants of Greenland,
made because of the early sun appeared worried. "Here in the place the sun
comes up until 13 January. Since one or the other probably does not, "cited
a 74-year-old KNR locals in a report on its website.
No change in the Earth's rotation

Scientists rule out any case that the observation could have geophysical or
astronomical reasons. "In the constellation of the stars has not changed,"
said Wolfgang Lenhardt, head of the geophysics department at the Central
Institute for Meteorology and Geodynamics (ZAMG) in Vienna. "There would
have been an outcry around the world." The data of Earth's axis and Earth's
rotation would be monitored continuously and meticulously.
Horizon decreases

Thomas Posch from the Institute for Astronomy, University of Vienna completed
astronomical reasons for the premature end of the polar night also made. He
suggests that the observation is due to a change in the local horizon. An
accelerated by the melting of the Greenland ice sheet of lower horizon appears
as "by far the most obvious" explanation. According to Lenhardt it could
possibly also to an atmospheric phenomenon - act - for example by ice crystals
caused a mirage.

[octopus]

Thanks a lot for the report!

So this was another year with an early sunrise in Greenland.

The official explanations sound very flimsy, I think the axis must have changed.

Any more observations from around the planet?

[greencard]

I thought it was fairly widely accepted that the reason they got sunrise two days earlier than normal last year was due to the icecaps having melted slightly earlier than usual, therefore letting the sun be visible earlier than usual?

[moving finger]

Erm, it's not a repeat occurrence, the article yass cites is dated 12/01/2011

[greencard]

Originally Posted by octopus

I have dug up this thread a year after the news to see if anybody knows whether the sunrise was on time this year.

I googled Greenland and sunrise and only got last year's reports.

Originally Posted by moving finger

Erm, it's not a repeat occurrence, the article yass cites is dated 12/01/2011

That's why he asked if there was any news as to when it rised this year

[posidon]

Is colder then ever, how is possible the polar ice caps be melting!

[yass]

Erm, it's not a repeat occurrence, the article yass cites is dated 12/01/2011

What's the difference between 12/01/2011 and 01/01/2012?

Answer: A month. It's February now so it's been two months. Those were the latest posted at my yahoo group.

This thread began with a post on 01/13/2011 which was over a year ago.

The story I linked was published 2 months ago.

[fuzzylogic]

Originally Posted by yass

What's the difference between 12/01/2011 and 01/01/2012?

Answer: A month. It's February now so it's been two months. Those were the latest posted at my yahoo group.

This thread began with a post on 01/13/2011 which was over a year ago.

The story I linked was published 2 months ago.

You appear to be arguing that an article posted on the 1st December 2011 confirms that the sun rose early in January 2012.

The date of the article is quite likely to be in day month year.

[dude111]

Originally Posted by yass

Again the Sun rises 2 days early in the Arctic Thu Jan 12, 2012

The article you linked to IS FROM LAST YEAR!!

1/12/2011 (They show the date backwards: 12/1/2011)


Anyone know about THIS YEAR?????

[belts]

*sigh*

Was it really necessary to bump this? What, do you guys think that Greenland is in some alternate reality (really wouldn't put it past some people here...) Something like this would have worldwide effects.

[octopus]

After all the hype last year I would have thought that somebody would observe the sunrise times this year.

But the world has turned its attention away...

Maybe there are some news in Greenlandic, and they don't show up when googled in English.

No Greenlandic forum members here?
No ex girl- or boyfrineds there, or far flung relatives that we could ask?

[moezy]

Originally Posted by apollo_gnomon

I know critical thinking isn't particularly valued at DIF, but really, don't you think that if the "sun" rising earlier in Greenland was caused by some planetary phenomonon (as opposed to local, as above) it would be noticed ALL OVER THE WORLD??

What, specifically, is so unbelievable about the lowered horizon explanation for this locally observed event?

Actually, it is being noticed all over the world. Last week, I spoke to my father who has lived in the same house for 25years. He told me the sun is not rising and setting in the right places anymore. Further, he states that a number of people he knows (farmers/hunters/out-doors people) have also been talking about it! I started researching it, there are you tube posts and other information/reports from all over the world noticing these changes.

[guuna]

Originally Posted by posidon

Is colder then ever, how is possible the polar ice caps be melting!

sssh....Don't interrupt a good bit of global warming porn.

[the apprentice]

Originally Posted by truthseeker1980

Greenland ice loss rates 'one-third' of what was thought

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/09...oss_estimates/

Unless some amazing massive hair dryer was being held over Greenland since September, the ice hasn't melted enough to make the horizon drop that low.

It's codswallop, 100-1000s of feet of ice metled since September last year, it may have been warmer these last few months in Greenland, but only +3C for a while.

It was very cold here before xmas, so much so it froze over lakes. I went to the local lake near me, after all the snow had melted and after it had been above +3C for at least 4 days and guess what, the lake was still mostly frozen, even though it had been above +3C for at least 4 days.

So a massive ice sheet 1 and 1/4 mile thick would not melt 100-1000s feet in +3C if it even melted at all.

My critical thinking done.

Leap years out of sync? Or an anomoly with the very crap gregorian calendar is far more plausable than an amazing hair dryer from space.

A local old guy here has been taking detailed Stevenson screen weather recordings, properly sited for thirty years and he says we have been cooling for the last fifteen years by half a degree overall and are cooling still.

We will know when it has really warmed up because the old Norse colonies on Greenland will be habitable once again and milk cows will graze in the green fields.