Going to court for 1st time on Thursday! - Page 8

mfrey0118 · 10-12-2010, 04:39 PM

Hey rump, sorry for the emotional outburst, I promised myself I wouldn't let you get under my skin anymore. If it happens again I guess I'll just put you on ignore.

Why don't you go for a soul-searching stroll around town to Kansas' "Dust in the Wind"? All will become clear...

mfrey0118 · 10-12-2010, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by rumpole

I touched a nerve didn't I?

That seems to be your mission here...you are quite good at it.

mfrey0118 · 10-12-2010, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by he said it was brasso

Good point and one I have to agree with particularly if neither the child/children or mother have a gripe with the father and what you are providing. And I should add, if the adults involved cannot make a decision for themselves, only then should the Courts become involved if others efforts to reach an amicable agreement are exhausted.

Especially considering the historical position of common law courts is that the children follow the father, not the mother. But since the state takes the position of the father in private, in reality they are still adhering to this maxim.

Used to be the mother in a custodial situation where the parents were not married wouldn't even get visitation rights until the child was 7...

And this isn't even taking into consideration the money issue, and how debts should be paid, etc...

So my gripe is with this Commercial system.

rumpole · 10-12-2010, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by mfrey0118

Hey rump, sorry for the emotional outburst, I promised myself I wouldn't let you get under my skin anymore. If it happens again I guess I'll just put you on ignore.

Why don't you go for a soul-searching stroll around town to Kansas' "Dust in the Wind"? All will become clear...

No apology needed my dear chap. Your 'emotional outburst' provided some much needed light relief on this bleak friday afternoon.

mfrey0118 · 10-12-2010, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by rumpole

I touched a nerve didn't I?

Of course.

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Parens Patria – Whole Doctrine of Law
= ‘who has the right to be the parent.’

I would not be a good father if this wasn't extremely important to me.

swiftex · 11-12-2010, 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by mfrey0118

OK, here are the papers from my court date:

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Notice what the judge says in the order:

None of that is true. I DID participate. I identified myself SEVERAL TIMES and NEVER stated that I am a PERSON with flowing blood." LIES! ALL LIES, DAMMIT!!

Thoughts? What should me my next course of action to pursue remedy?

Order a transcript of the hearing. This is the evidence and next formulate the argument.

Also, check the rules for time to review, set aside etc.,

You may need to do a motion for an extension of time.

girlgye · 12-12-2010, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by mfrey0118

Especially considering the historical position of common law courts is that the children follow the father, not the mother. But since the state takes the position of the father in private, in reality they are still adhering to this maxim.

Used to be the mother in a custodial situation where the parents were not married wouldn't even get visitation rights until the child was 7...

And this isn't even taking into consideration the money issue, and how debts should be paid, etc...

So my gripe is with this Commercial system.

Interesting Mark.

Cannot get visitation rights until the child is 7.
That is because the child's father can somehow find out about the devilish plot to lien the child at birth and claim back his rightful heir and title and in old common law the mother can't.

Anyway one assumes, that the State is intervening because they want you to do all the providing for the children whilst they do none.

Now that would be ok. What I have a problem is with the fact that benefits outway the liens against each child you have provided. In fact the 'charges' are hefty in comparison to what each child receives. In that sense the books (double entry don't balance) and someone, somewhere is cutting out some of the spoils for themselves.

Yeah take her advice contract with the state and then claim billions back.

alisa2 · 12-12-2010, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by girlgye

Interesting Mark.

Cannot get visitation rights until the child is 7.
That is because the child's father can somehow find out about the devilish plot to lien the child at birth and claim back his rightful heir and title and in old common law the mother can't.

Anyway one assumes, that the State is intervening because they want you to do all the providing for the children whilst they do none.

Now that would be ok. What I have a problem is with the fact that benefits outway the liens against each child you have provided. In fact the 'charges' are hefty in comparison to what each child receives. In that sense the books (double entry don't balance) and someone, somewhere is cutting out some of the spoils for themselves.

Yeah take her advice contract with the state and then claim billions back.

SOVEREIGNTY starts with the father and mother's relationship: two people having the same values about money, raising children, politics, etc. Divorce or separation rarely occurs in situations where two people share the same values.

girlgye · 12-12-2010, 06:53 PM

Nice idea.
Try working it in modern slavery.
Or even more try working it when both parents are now forced to work 2 jobs just to keep one child let alone a brood.

Try working it in modern slavery.
When each parent is ferociously bullied at work to be on time, never take sick, never be there for their children, never get so much as a pat on the back for working as a slave for the company for 25 years. Never get so much as even a sandwich when asked to work for the company 17 hours on the trot without a break. Just so they can make ends meet.

Try working it in modern slavery.
When child comes home from school and doesn't want to go there any more. They are having panic attacks because they get SATS at 4 years of age.
They get bullied by their peers, sneered at by their teachers, marginalised to an ETA because they are deemed as thick.

Try working it in modern slavery.
When partner goes to University to better himself and improve his job prospects. Only 50,000 others did the same so there is a glut of people in his profession now and he is next to worthless on paper.

Try working in modern slavery
When you wake up to deception and you yell and holler to your neighbours who are so doped up they say: 'You're craaayzee; you will never win'.

Try working in modern slavery
When you do wake up get your team together and one by one they divide and conquer them.

Try all that and stroke each others forehead and say to each other 'nay mind darlink, we are both Sovereigns; looking in the same direction; pointing towards the same goals.'

Hats off to any couple who can stay together in these times. To those that have failed. I say, don't blame yourselves. Raise your children to be aware.

alisa2 · 12-12-2010, 07:41 PM

If you live in today's society, yes, a couple is more challenged, but I still say it all depends on the couple's values. Look at the Amish. In Amish society, divorce is unheard of. Divorce is a product of modern society- independence go-your-own way do-your-own-thing type living. There is a video on youtube about Amish teenagers who want to break-free from the Amish community because they think they are missing out. The only thing they might be missing out on is the Internet. The Amish have no computers, no cars, no t.v., no drugs, no smoking, no alcohol, no college. Just the basics. Eat, sleep, work on the farm, horse & buggy type living. I'm not sure they missing anything, except maybe Internet. The Internet is a product of modern society. It's not a bad thing, but could be a problem for Amish parents who want to keep their children focused on Amish living.

The Amish kids in video have broken away from their families. A few now say they miss their families and want to go back. Still a few others are waiting for their social security card or driver license.

One extreme to the other.

girlgye · 12-12-2010, 10:28 PM

Alisa love,
I'm all for active participation in my research. I love going to my participants/co researchers and really getting deep down into the subject we are studying together and soaking up, hook line and sinker.

Why not visit the Amish and the ideal lifestyle you seem to think they have.

Why not wear the lurvely crimped crinoline restrictive corsets held together with pins (no women are not allowed to use sewing machines). See how free the women are to make up their own minds about how they want to live with their lurvely husbands.

Why not pretend to live with an Amish husband, I'm sure one would oblige and come back with a nicely presented essay on how life REALLY is for an AMISH woman.

alisa2 · 12-12-2010, 10:37 PM

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Why not visit the Amish and the ideal lifestyle you seem to think they have.

I never said they had an ideal lifestyle. You keep reading into my words. If I didn't saying they had an ideal lifestyle, then I probably don't think that they do which is why I never said it.

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Why not pretend to live with an Amish husband, I'm sure one would oblige and come back with a nicely presented essay on how life REALLY is for an AMISH woman.

I doubt that I would enjoy living with an Amish husband- at least not right away. Amish women are accustomed to that lifestyle- I'm not, so I'd probably hate everything but the food- but give me a little time and I might really begin to appreciate it.

weinerwad3000 · 20-06-2012, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by mfrey0118

Hey, maybe you're right...but why did the deputy ask for backup as soon as I said "the flesh lives the blood flows and I'm here for remedy"? What about that statement would've made him nervous if stating on the record that I am a Living Being is not significant? Why didn't the judge lock me up, since I obviously did not cooperate after the multiple warnings?

But then, maybe I'm right about a few things...only time will tell.

Maybe when you said "the blood flows" he thought you were going to start firing rounds on everyone in the court room.

10-12-2010, 04:39 PM	#141
mfrey0118 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 448	Hey rump, sorry for the emotional outburst, I promised myself I wouldn't let you get under my skin anymore. If it happens again I guess I'll just put you on ignore. Why don't you go for a soul-searching stroll around town to Kansas' "Dust in the Wind"? All will become clear... __________________ Deception, by its very nature, is a self-fulfilling prophecy, needing nothing more than a single act of compromise to unleash a fury that will not stop until everything in its path is consumed.

12-12-2010, 07:41 PM	#150
alisa2 Premier Subscribers Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,591	If you live in today's society, yes, a couple is more challenged, but I still say it all depends on the couple's values. Look at the Amish. In Amish society, divorce is unheard of. Divorce is a product of modern society- independence go-your-own way do-your-own-thing type living. There is a video on youtube about Amish teenagers who want to break-free from the Amish community because they think they are missing out. The only thing they might be missing out on is the Internet. The Amish have no computers, no cars, no t.v., no drugs, no smoking, no alcohol, no college. Just the basics. Eat, sleep, work on the farm, horse & buggy type living. I'm not sure they missing anything, except maybe Internet. The Internet is a product of modern society. It's not a bad thing, but could be a problem for Amish parents who want to keep their children focused on Amish living. The Amish kids in video have broken away from their families. A few now say they miss their families and want to go back. Still a few others are waiting for their social security card or driver license. One extreme to the other. Last edited by alisa2; 12-12-2010 at 07:46 PM.

12-12-2010, 06:53 PM	#149
girlgye Inactive Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: In a land that needs to wake up Posts: 5,515	Nice idea. Try working it in modern slavery. Or even more try working it when both parents are now forced to work 2 jobs just to keep one child let alone a brood. Try working it in modern slavery. When each parent is ferociously bullied at work to be on time, never take sick, never be there for their children, never get so much as a pat on the back for working as a slave for the company for 25 years. Never get so much as even a sandwich when asked to work for the company 17 hours on the trot without a break. Just so they can make ends meet. Try working it in modern slavery. When child comes home from school and doesn't want to go there any more. They are having panic attacks because they get SATS at 4 years of age. They get bullied by their peers, sneered at by their teachers, marginalised to an ETA because they are deemed as thick. Try working it in modern slavery. When partner goes to University to better himself and improve his job prospects. Only 50,000 others did the same so there is a glut of people in his profession now and he is next to worthless on paper. Try working in modern slavery When you wake up to deception and you yell and holler to your neighbours who are so doped up they say: 'You're craaayzee; you will never win'. Try working in modern slavery When you do wake up get your team together and one by one they divide and conquer them. Try all that and stroke each others forehead and say to each other 'nay mind darlink, we are both Sovereigns; looking in the same direction; pointing towards the same goals.' Hats off to any couple who can stay together in these times. To those that have failed. I say, don't blame yourselves. Raise your children to be aware.

12-12-2010, 10:28 PM	#151
girlgye Inactive Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: In a land that needs to wake up Posts: 5,515	Alisa love, I'm all for active participation in my research. I love going to my participants/co researchers and really getting deep down into the subject we are studying together and soaking up, hook line and sinker. Why not visit the Amish and the ideal lifestyle you seem to think they have. Why not wear the lurvely crimped crinoline restrictive corsets held together with pins (no women are not allowed to use sewing machines). See how free the women are to make up their own minds about how they want to live with their lurvely husbands. Why not pretend to live with an Amish husband, I'm sure one would oblige and come back with a nicely presented essay on how life REALLY is for an AMISH woman.