wi-fi radiation killing off trees?

[oneup]

Originally Posted by wildhorse

sometimes when you see clouds that have ripples, this is the effect 'apparently' from mobile phone masts and their pulsation - so i am sure wi-fi will work the same way, hence why the logo has radio waves also pulsating

That may have more to do with what WiFi is - pulsating radio waves. That's not a secret or anything.

[deca]

Originally Posted by oneup

That may have more to do with what WiFi is - pulsating radio waves. That's not a secret or anything.

do you understand how passive radar works?

Passive radar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Passive radar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Passive radar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Passive radar systems (also referred to as passive coherent location and passive covert radar) encompass a class of radar systems that detect and track objects by processing reflections from non-cooperative sources of illumination in the environment, such as commercial broadcast and communications signals. It is a specific case of bistatic radar, the latter also including the exploitation of cooperative and non-cooperative radar transmitters.Conventional radar systems comprise a collocated transmitter and receiver, which usually share a common antenna to transmit and receive. A pulsed signal is transmitted and the time taken for the pulse to travel to the object and back allows the range of the object to be determined.

In a passive radar system, there is no dedicated transmitter. Instead, the receiver uses third-party transmitters in the environment, and measures the time difference of arrival between the signal arriving directly from the transmitter and the signal arriving via reflection from the object. This allows the bistatic range of the object to be determined. In addition to bistatic range, a passive radar will typically also measure the bistatic Doppler shift of the echo and also its direction of arrival. These allow the location, heading and speed of the object to be calculated. In some cases, multiple transmitters and/or receivers can be employed to make several independent measurements of bistatic range, Doppler and bearing and hence significantly improve the final track accuracy.

[wildhorse]

Originally Posted by oneup

That may have more to do with what WiFi is - pulsating radio waves. That's not a secret or anything.

nop but they dont go broadcasting it either. it is only usually peeps who research and orgonite gift that come across it and notice it

case of 'hidden in plain sight'

[oneup]

Originally Posted by deca

do you understand how passive radar works?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_radar

That's irrelevant, I was replying to someone connecting rippled clouds to WiFi and/or it's logo.

Originally Posted by wildhorse

nop but they dont go broadcasting it either. it is only usually peeps who research and orgonite gift that come across it and notice it

case of 'hidden in plain sight'

I've never researched that stuff nor have I gifted orgonite, whatever that means, but I knew that when I was a kid. It's hardly rocket science.

I wonder how many people used WiFi to post on this thread

[deca]

Originally Posted by oneup

I doubt that... Who would want to see me wander around in my house? What useful information is to be gathered from that?

do you have a mobile phone...why do they store your location for up to a year I think then?

[wildhorse]

Originally Posted by oneup

I wonder how many people used WiFi to post on this thread

the ones with tin foil hats??

[oneup]

Originally Posted by deca

do you have a mobile phone...why do they store your location for up to a year I think then?

To know what I'm up to? But how is that relevant to WiFi allegedly being used to see through walls?

Originally Posted by wildhorse

the ones with tin foil hats??

lol

[muggles]

Personally I'm more worried about this:



http://www.fromthewilderness.com/fre...ora/haarp.html

[funnybones]

Originally Posted by muggles

Personally I'm more worried about this:



http://www.fromthewilderness.com/fre...ora/haarp.html

Personally people should be worried as you don't own any of the firmware on the the devices in question. See this is why people don't understand the level of secrets the government has at its disposal.

Its easy to say you find one more topic you worry about more.

I know they can easy triangulate your position with a cell phone and listen in to your phone calls and even spy on your email but did you also know the internet providers hire people to spy on your home for the government like operation bright eyes.

[funnybones]

Originally Posted by oneup

I doubt that... Who would want to see me wander around in my house? What useful information is to be gathered from that?

If your the swat team this information would be useful. They already use non visible radiation devices around the world so the technology has been known about for some time.

I'm sure your remember the cops use thermal imaging to look for marijuana cultivation. So again if you have the capability to use wifi don't you think for one minute they wouldn't spy on you.

[concordewarrior]

Originally Posted by cluas

Thx for your views, I totally agree. Cell towers are BAD !!!

If you don't own a mobile phone in the future, you can't make any transactions, and will be excluded completely from society ....

It's already happening in Japan, and here in Denmark too

Can't trade without a mobile phone

The bank gave me a special secured transaction number that changes with every transaction. Go figure...
I have been a client with them over 30 years never had any problem with online transactions.

[oneup]

Originally Posted by funnybones

If your the swat team this information would be useful. They already use non visible radiation devices around the world so the technology has been known about for some time.

I'm sure your remember the cops use thermal imaging to look for marijuana cultivation. So again if you have the capability to use wifi don't you think for one minute they wouldn't spy on you.

If the SWAT team shows up at your house, they're gonna get your ass anyway. If you grow weed and they fly over with a helicopter, they gotcha as well. They don't need any of that. And if they do, you could sue them for using unlawful methods to obtain evidence.
How do you picture this? In the court room, the prosecutor says "We believe the defendant is guilty, because we used this new WiFi see-through-walls technology to take a look in his living room." I think the judge would say something like "Uhm... WHAT?".

I do think "they" spy on me, whoever they are. CCTV camera's, RFID, Internet traffic logs, the sky's the limit for tracking people's every move. But I don't believe for a second that WiFi is being used to see through walls to spy on people in their own home. The thought of it, even if it would be technically possible, is just ridiculous, and it is this kind of bullshit that is always used to discredit and faultily classify.

[deca]

Originally Posted by oneup

If the SWAT team shows up at your house, they're gonna get your ass anyway. If you grow weed and they fly over with a helicopter, they gotcha as well. They don't need any of that. And if they do, you could sue them for using unlawful methods to obtain evidence.
How do you picture this? In the court room, the prosecutor says "We believe the defendant is guilty, because we used this new WiFi see-through-walls technology to take a look in his living room." I think the judge would say something like "Uhm... WHAT?".

I do think "they" spy on me, whoever they are. CCTV camera's, RFID, Internet traffic logs, the sky's the limit for tracking people's every move. But I don't believe for a second that WiFi is being used to see through walls to spy on people in their own home. The thought of it, even if it would be technically possible, is just ridiculous, and it is this kind of bullshit that is always used to discredit and faultily classify.

what about tis then?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2002/oc...s.mobilephones

How mobile phones let spies see our every move

Government's secret Celldar project will allow surveillance of anyone, at any time and anywhere there is a phone signal


Secret radar technology research that will allow the biggest-ever extension of 'Big Brother'-style surveillance in the UK is being funded by the Government.

The radical new system, which has outraged civil liberties groups, uses mobile phone masts to allow security authorities to watch vehicles and individuals 'in real time' almost anywhere in Britain.

The technology 'sees' the shapes made when radio waves emitted by mobile phone masts meet an obstruction. Signals bounced back by immobile objects, such as walls or trees, are filtered out by the receiver. This allows anything moving, such as cars or people, to be tracked. Previously, radar needed massive fixed equipment to work and transmissions from mobile phone masts were thought too weak to be useful.

The system works wherever a mobile phone can pick up a signal. By using receivers attached to mobile phone masts, users of the new technology could focus in on areas hundreds of miles away and bring up a display showing any moving vehicles and people.

An individual with one type of receiver, a portable unit little bigger than a laptop computer, could even use it as a 'personal radar' covering the area around the user. Researchers are working to give the new equipment 'X-ray vision' - the capability to 'see' through walls and look into people's homes.

again you have to understand what passive radar is and what a Panopticon Society is

http://hubpages.com/hub/A-Panopticon-Society

The awareness that a Panopticon mechanism is at work in all aspects of society only started in the advent of Foucault's Discipline and Punishment. Here, Foucault takes Bentham's original "Panopticon" design of prison cells (pan- meaning "prisoners" and -opticon "to observe") wherein prisoners are observed with or without their knowledge. (Panopticon para.1). Foucault then explains how this modern visible prison model replaced the dark dungeons of the ancient times because of the effective concept that "visibility is a trap." Accordingly, he points out that one of the essential characteristics of a panopticon is that it creates in the individual a sense that an observer is always present to lookout against objectionable behavior. Foucault goes on to say that this idea of a "controlling system of power" is effectively adapted in this modern era in almost all aspect of our everyday lives. In a panopticon setting, each of us feels that we are un-obviously observed at any time or at all times by controlling institutions of power (Discipline and Punish para.2) - whether we be in government properties as the city hall, total establishments as the military, public settings as malls, or even within family home boundaries or the virtual reality!

That is what makes the panopticon a special mechanism of power. Like it or not, we are all but subjects to observation, at times even to the point of breaching personal privacy. However, it is at a cost for a general benefit. Let us just say that in the great sea of faces scanned by a surveillance camera system at a bank or the security checkpoint at the airport, authorities are given the opportunity of effectively exercising their power by being able to detect, filter out, and infiltrate the activity of dangerous law offenders.

More importantly though, the power of the panopticon lies in that it suppresses the idea of doing a malevolent behavior in all people even before it gets the chance to be actualized. In other words, an "all-seeing" society puts us all in a vulnerable situation where we always feel fear of being caught should we do a disagreeable conduct. One good example is the supermarket.

see the survalence and tracking of me is fucked because I worked out a few years ago it was ileagal ...what the fuck are they going to do? ....sod them I not changing my behaviour or sat here living under fear....
plus nobody on the ground has a problem with my behaviour and I don`t do much that wrong in the first place....

[oneup]

Originally Posted by deca

what about tis then? http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2002/oc...s.mobilephones
snip....

Yes I heard about that before, it's not that I think it's technically impossible but no way this will ever be a 'common' method of surveillance like CCTV etc. The people won't put up with that. At least AFAIK it isn't that bad quite yet.

[funnybones]

Originally Posted by oneup

Yes I heard about that before, it's not that I think it's technically impossible but no way this will ever be a 'common' method of surveillance like CCTV etc. The people won't put up with that. At least AFAIK it isn't that bad quite yet.

It don't need to be a common method of surveillance because its a combination of different methods that join forces. One thing from this year was called A hidden world, growing beyond control http://projects.washingtonpost.com/t...rica/articles/

Its all about sharing inside a grid that is so large it involves large companies and includes everything to your cellphone down to your TV set that is all part of what they call the smart grid. You can use plenty of devices and some of them have been illegal but they still use them to gain information. See the problem isn't so much that we know they do this daily its rather were not allowed to see whats goes on behind closed doors and some things are consider national security so you will never be allowed to see them.

Even law enforcement can issue a ‘fake’ SSL certificate so you think your all good and secure with your bank transactions yet they know what you was doing. But this is only one method to track you that could be used. With growing technology its apparent you need more security but that also creates a society that is more of a prison without bars that tells children & adults how they must think and dress and scans them at the door for weapons or lunches and even the TSA fondling your junk.

Your being trained like a monkey that will accept slavery. All those that object are labeled a terrorists and end up on a no-fly lists and can be treated as an enemy combatant.

[deca]

Electrosmog warning after Wi-Fi effect found to 'bleed bark and denude tree foliage'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...#ixzz16jcH75s2

As winter arrives with a vengeance, the last of this year’s glorious autumn leaves are falling in our parks and woodlands.

But this week came worrying evidence that Mother Nature is not the only force denuding our trees of their foliage.

Research in the Netherlands suggested that outbreaks of bleeding bark and dying leaves which have blighted the country’s urban trees may be caused by radiation from the Wi-Fi ­networks now so integral to life in offices, schools and homes.
Electrosmog: Modern laptops all connect to the internet via Wi-Fi

Electrosmog: Modern laptops all connect to the internet via Wi-Fi

As a qualified electronics engineer, I am not surprised by such findings. I have long been concerned about the harmful effects of the ­electro-magnetic radiation emitted not only by Wi-Fi devices but many other common modern gadgets, including mobile and cordless phones, wireless games consoles and microwave ovens.

Much though I love trees, and worrying though I find this research, what really unnerves me is the effect these electro-magnetic fields (or EMFs) are having on humans, surrounding us as they do with a constant cloud of ‘electrosmog’.

I am no Luddite. When I started work in the 1960s, I was involved in building walkie-talkies. I thought they were just brilliant and that electronic technology would save the world. But over the decades since, my scientific background has made it impossible for me to ignore the overwhelming evidence about the damage wreaked by this electrosmog.
Technology cartoon

It is not the existence of these radio waves that is the problem so much as the use we make of them. Rather than being emitted at a constant rate, technology demands they are ‘pulsed’ in short and frequent bursts which appear to be far more biologically harmful.

Not the least is their impact on our ability to reproduce. It is well documented that average male sperm counts are falling by two per cent a year. Many causes have been suggested, from stressful lifestyles to poor diet and ­hormones in our water supplies.
But studies in infertility clinics show problems with sperm dying off or not moving properly are most common in men who use mobiles extensively. This has also been demonstrated in the laboratory.

Mobiles are not the only problem. Many laptops are now equipped with Wi-Fi which sends out pulses every second as it maintains contact with the nearest access point. Young men with these devices on their laps are submitting their testicles to strong EMFs at close range, oblivious to the damage they may be doing to their chances of future fatherhood.

EMFS have also been shown to affect the brain, suppressing production of melatonin, the hormone controlling whether we feel happy or sad. In 2004, researchers at the University of Malaga found that significant exposure to EMFs increases the chances of developing depression 40-fold.

They also linked electrosmog to headaches, irritability, unusual tiredness and sleeping disorders.

This has been confirmed in research by the respected Karolinska Institute in Sweden. Sponsored by the leading mobile phone companies, it showed that using handsets just before going to bed caused people to take longer to reach deeper stages of sleep. They also spent less time in each of these stages, so interfering with the body’s ability to repair damage suffered during the day.
iPad: Apple's tablet is one of a growing number of devices that connects to the internet via Wi-Fi

iPad: Apple's tablet is one of a growing number of devices that connects to the internet via Wi-Fi

This is particularly alarming given the tendency for teenagers and children to sleep with their mobile phones under the pillows so that they can answer late-night texts from friends.

Parents who allow their children to do so may be taking a significant gamble with their health.

This year saw the publication of the Interphone study carried out in 13 countries including the UK, and examining the links between mobile phone use and brain tumours. It suggested that those who had made heavy use of mobiles for a decade or more faced twice the risk of glioma, the most common type of brain tumour.

And this was a study based on the period between 1994 and 2004 when ‘heavy’ usage was defined as two to three hours per month. A conservative estimate of average mobile phone use now is approximately half an hour a day, seven days a week.

Since brain tumours often develop very slowly it may be many years before the full impact of our reliance on mobiles becomes clear. But they are already implicated in another area of concern to health professionals, the onset of dementia in those under 65.

Experts are at a loss to explain the increase in this condition which has seen a surge in demand for pre-senile dementia units across the country. But can we really be surprised when a study at the Institute of Environmental Medicine in Sweden confirmed this month that exposure to EMFs significantly accelerates brain degeneration?
Trees: Outbreaks of bleeding bark and dying leaves may have been caused by radiation from Wi-Fi networks research suggests

Trees: Outbreaks of bleeding bark and dying leaves may have been caused by radiation from Wi-Fi networks research suggests

The risks posed by EMFs are recognised not only by scientists, but hard-headed commercial organisations. In 1997, the insurance company Swiss-Re identified EMFs as likely to cause the biggest increase in claims in years to come. Swiss-Re and other insurers have therefore refused to indemnify the mobile phone operators against health claims from their customers.

Even so, we should not hold out much hope of our politicians protecting us from EMFs. The mobile phone industry in the UK contributes around £20 billion in tax every year, so it’s hardly likely the Government will take action to reduce the number of calls.
Indeed, it seems to be going in almost the opposite direction, encouraging the installation of Wi-Fi networks in our schools with tactics which sometimes verge on coercion. I’ve been told about a school which was threatened that it would receive no further government funding for computer technology if it did not install Wi-Fi.
Always on: Green Orb symbol for Wi-Fi

Always on: Green Orb symbol for Wi-Fi

In the absence of official intervention, it’s down to all of us to protect ourselves. My aim as a campaigner is not to scare people but inform them about the risks, so they can choose to take precautions.

Not everyone will want to follow my example. Because of our concerns about electrosmog, my wife and I have moved to a cottage in Scotland out of range of any mobile phone network.

But there are small steps which we can all take. We should all try to use hands-free sets. And women should stop carrying mobiles in their bras (breast tissue being particularly susceptible to mobile phone microwaves), a trend which is becoming alarmingly fashionable.

We should also avoid cordless phones. Their base stations transmit 100 pulses a second, 24/7, even if you’re not using the phone, and at power levels equivalent to having a small mobile phone mast in your home.

You might also consider whether you really need wireless internet access in your home. One option is to buy dLAN adaptors which transmit the internet signal around the house by way of your ordinary electrical wiring.

Such changes will require small adjustments to our modern lifestyles. But until the evidence against EMFs is proven or disproven, these are surely sacrifices well worth making.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...#ixzz16jcVUoik

[oneup]

Creepy creepy creepy... but I don't want to live in fear and it's very difficult to verify all of this information. It's believe it or leave.

Originally Posted by funnybones

Even law enforcement can issue a ‘fake’ SSL certificate so you think your all good and secure with your bank transactions yet they know what you was doing.

Now that's I'd like to know how that would work, because I've got some background knowledge on that subject and with what I know I'd say it's not possible.

[funnybones]

Originally Posted by oneup

Creepy creepy creepy... but I don't want to live in fear and it's very difficult to verify all of this information. It's believe it or leave.


Now that's I'd like to know how that would work, because I've got some background knowledge on that subject and with what I know I'd say it's not possible.

Oh its possible but no one knows if it has been used secretly. Worth a read called Certied Lies: Detecting and Defeating Government
Interception Attacks Against SSL

http://cryptome.org/ssl-mitm.pdf

I remember verisign came out and said they don't issue fake certificates but that sort of a standard operating procedure just like when your banks been h4x0red for tons of money you never admit the attack cause if the customer knows they would leave quickly and the trust would be lost.

[cluas]

WAKE UP CALL from electrosmog expert Olle Johansson - YouTube

WAKE UP CALL from electrosmog expert Olle Johansson - YouTube

Ever heard of this guy, Olle Johansson ?

Good info

[gestaltdude]

Dont know about trees but i am almost certain it is giving me an allergic reaction. Might be tied into the microwaves, which are given off by the sun, to which I am also allergic.