First Impact not shown until 11:49PM on 9/11.

[dave52]

Having been refered to as an immature, lazy researcher in another thread, I thought I'd go through the Video archive of 911.

http://www.archive.org/details/sept_11_tv_archive


The first mention of the first impact footage is at the 26:43 mark of this video:

http://www.archive.org/details/cnn200109112323-0005

This is CNN tv archive footage and the anchor man interupts the guy he's interviewing with the phrase:

"We've just received fresh video, new video of the first plane smashing into the World Trade Centre, I want to show that to you and to our audience, let's just watch."

This chunk of video runs from 11:23PM on the day of September 11, which means that this footage was not seen until 11:49PM.

I have checked the other videos on the site. ABC, CBS, FOX, NBC and the BBC hadn't shown the footage by the time the first block of archive runs out at 12:30AM 9/12

So there you have it, definitive proof that the first impact wasn't seen until around midnight on September 11th.

[ragnarok]

I hope chewy doesn't see this thread. He'll see it as a personal attack on his precognitive family.

[ponzi nemesis]

Originally Posted by ragnarok

I hope chewy doesn't see this thread. He'll see it as a personal attack on his precognitive family.

He's going to have to go through a nervous breakdown over this at some stage, it might as well be now. It's a bit like Ponzi schemes. I got my 'handle' battling with those a few years back. People used to complain that by helping bring them down I was causing people to lose money, but I would argue that the longer they went on the bigger they'd get and the more people would lose money when they finally collapsed. Chewy's nervous breakdown is a bit like that I think.

Which is a cause for optimism, eh? Whatever we've had to go through with all this 'truth' business it's going to be a lot harder on those still sleepwalking now, especially those who have religiously been defending the 'official' stories, both in this arena and so many others. We may have quite a bit of baby-sitting to do for our poor deluded brethren when they finally get their heads around it all.

[ragnarok]

The funniest thing is, Duhbunkers are arguing themselves into a corner by defending the establishment and its profiteers from association with nefarious conspiracy theories. Eventually a Conspiracy Theory is going to be established as a Conspiracy Fact Of Life, and all their trustingly built preconceptions are going to come tumbling down.

[ponzi nemesis]

Originally Posted by ragnarok

The funniest thing is, Duhbunkers are arguing themselves into a corner by defending the establishment and its profiteers from association with nefarious conspiracy theories. Eventually a Conspiracy Theory is going to be established as a Conspiracy Fact Of Life, and all their trustingly built preconceptions are going to come tumbling down.

And not a moment to soon...

Re:Evolution - YouTube

Re:Evolution - YouTube

If the truth can be told so as to be understood, it will be believed.

Human history represents such a radical break with the natural systems of biological organization that preceded it, that it must be the response to a kind of attractor, or dwell point that lies ahead in the temporal dimension. Persistently Western religions have integrated into their theologies the notion of a kind of end of the world, and I think that a lot of psychedelic experimentation sort of confirms this intuition, I mean, it isn't going to happen according to any of the scenarios of orthodox religion, but the basic intuition, that the universe seeks closure in a kind of omega point of transcendance, is confirmed, it's almost as though this object in hyperspace, glittering in hyperspace, throws off reflections of itself, which actually ricochet into the past, illuminating this mystic, inspiring that saint or visionary, and that out of these fragmentary glimpses of eternity we can build a kind of map, of not only the past of the universe, and the evolutionary egression into novelty, but a kind of map of the future, this is what shamanism is always been about.

A shaman is someone who has been to the end, it's someone who knows how the world really works, and knowing how the world really works means to have risen outside, above, beyond the dimensions of ordinary space, time, and casuistry, and actually seen the wiring under the board, stepped outside the confines of learned culture and learned and embedded language, into the domain of what Wittgenstein called "the unspeakable", the transcendental presense of the other, which can be absanctioned, in various ways, to yield systems of knowledge which can be brought back into ordinary social space for the good of the community, so in the context of ninety percent of human culture, the shaman has been the agent of evolution, because the shaman learns the techniques to go between ordinary reality and the domain of the ideas, this higher dimensional continuum that is somehow parallel to us, available to us, and yet ordinarily occluded by cultural convention out of fear of the mystery I believe, and what shamans are, I believe, are people who have been able to de-condition themselves from the community's instinctual distrust of the mystery, and to go into it, to go into this bewildering higher dimension, and gain knowledge, recover the jewel lost at the beginning of time, to save souls, cure, commune with the ancestors and so forth and so on.

Shamanism is not a religion, it's a set of techniques, and the principal technique is the use of psychedelic plants. What psychedelics do is they dissolve boundaries, and in the presence of dissolved boundaries, one cannot continue to close one's eyes to the ruination of the earth, the poisoning of the seas, and the consequences of two thousand years of unchallenged dominator culture, based on monotheism, hatred of nature, suppression of the female, and so forth and so on. So, what shamans have to do is act as exemplars, by making this cosmic journey to the domain of the Gaian ideas, and then bringing them back in the form of art to the struggle to save the world. The planet has a kind of intelligence, that it can actually open a channel of communication with an individual human being. The message that nature sends is, transform your language through a synergy between electronic culture and the psychedelic imagination, a synergy between dance and idea, a synergy between understanding and intuition, and dissolve the boundaries that your culture has sanctioned between you, to become part of this Gaian supermind, I mean I think it's fairly profound, it's fairly apocalyptic. History is ending. I mean, we are to be the generation that witnesses the revelation of the purpose of the cosmos. History is the shock wave of the eschaton. History is the shock wave of eschatology, and what this means for those of us who will live through this transition into hyperspace, is that we will be privileged to see the greatest release of compressed change probably since the birth of the universe. The twentieth century is the shudder that announces the approaching cataracts of time over which our species and the destiny of this planet is about to be swept.

If the truth can be told so as to be understood, it will be believed.

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[troubled]

thanks for finding this Dave

[ponzi nemesis]

Originally Posted by troubled

thanks for finding this Dave

Yes, I forgot to mention it; well done, someone had to do it

[911 chewy defense]

Originally Posted by dave52

This chunk of video runs from 11:23PM on the day of September 11, which means that this footage was not seen until 11:49PM.

So there you have it, definitive proof that the first impact wasn't seen until around midnight on September 11th.

You make a very contridictive claim Dave. You said that it ran at 11:23 PM EST on 9/11, then you said it wasn't seen until 11:49 PM EST on 9/11.

So you're lying out your ass to prove that you can't tell time.

Dave, until that clock struck midnight, you would've had a case. But you actually debunked yourself without you even knowing it.

I'm laughing at the unintelligence of Truthers on this one!

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.p...08#post6585308

Read post #186!

[dave52]

11:23pm (when that video began) + 26:43 minutes (how far into the video before the first strike footage was shown) = 11:49pm.

Just before midnight on 9/11. Not in the morning as you have claimed.

EDIT: Just to be clear, I've always said it was shown very late on 9/11 or possibly early on 9/12.

[911 chewy defense]

Originally Posted by dave52

11:23pm (when that video began) + 26:43 minutes (how far into the video before the first strike footage was shown) = 11:49pm.

Just before midnight on 9/11. Not in the morning as you have claimed.

Actually it was in the morning on the morning report.

You know Dave, I just suckered you into admitting that the footage was shown on 9/11, when you & others have claimed that the footage was shown the day after. Which in turn makes all of you a bunch of liars in my eyes, & proof that you Truthers will continure to lie for the Truth Movement & A&E for 9/11 Truth.

You just stepped on a "land mine", welcome to the world of REALITY!

EDIT: Just to be clear, I've always said it was shown very late on 9/11 or possibly early on 9/12.

Wanna make a bet that you didn't make it clear in my Flight 93 tread? Again with the lying, Dave?!

[dave52]

Originally Posted by 911 chewy defense

Actually it was in the morning on the morning report.

Check the archive - as I have. It doesn't surface until the end of the day, give it up Chewy...

Originally Posted by 911 chewy defense

Wanna make a bet that you didn't make it clear in my Flight 93 tread? Again with the lying, Dave?!

Er...

Originally Posted by dave52

There was no footage of the first impact before the second impact. There are only two pieces of film that show it, one didn't come out until years later, one was filmed by one of the Naudet brothers and didn't surface until the next day (or possibly right at the end of Tuesday).

[earthicastar]

Originally Posted by 911 chewy defense

Actually it was in the morning on the morning report.

and your proof is where??



do you even know what a plane looks like?

[911 chewy defense]

Here's my proof that it was shown on the morning of 9/11 between 8:48 & 9:29 AM EST:

http://www.archive.org/details/cnn200109110848-0929

Taken from the same archive files from the 1 that Dave supplied.

Again, y'all are a bunch of liars!

[911 chewy defense]

Originally Posted by dave52

Check the archive - as I have. It doesn't surface until the end of the day, give it up Chewy...

Er...

You're lying Dave!

You still insist that it wasn't shown until after the second plane strike? Again, you lie!

[911 chewy defense]

Originally Posted by earthicastar

and your proof is where??



do you even know what a plane looks like?

Obviously you don't know what a plane looks like because you turn a blind eye.

Flight 11 struck WTC 1 & none of you Truthers can't prove that it didn't.

[earthicastar]

Originally Posted by 911 chewy defense

Actually it was in the morning on the morning report.

would you please SHOW us that report?

[911 chewy defense]

Originally Posted by earthicastar

would you please SHOW us that report?

I just did, & stop ignoring it:

http://www.archive.org/details/cnn200109110848-0929

[dave52]

At what point was the first plane impact footage shown...? No-one denies that the story broke before 9:00am, no-one denies there was lots of live footage showing a burning, smoking hole in the first tower.

We are talking about the first impact footage.

[911 chewy defense]

Originally Posted by dave52

At what point was the first plane impact footage shown...?

Just watch the video, can you atleast do that Dave?:

http://www.archive.org/details/cnn200109110848-0929

No-one denies that the story broke before 9:00am, no-one denies there was lots of live footage showing a burning, smoking hole in the first tower.

Lying again Dave? Didn't mommy & daddy ever tell you not to lie to anyone??

We are talking about the first impact footage.

No shit Sherlock, what gave you that clue?

[ragnarok]

Either chewy has gone full retard, or he's trolling like a mofo.



ps. My own money is on the former. The pressure of 9 years defending a bunch of liars has finally got to him, and we are now witnessing his burn-out phase.