Everything about demons - Page 2

jimj_wpg · 25-11-2010, 06:18 AM

JsHappy, I have seen them when my eyes are wide open during the day in a darkened room, and at night, and in the early morn (8/9 a.m.).

But you can still be right. It is possible that we see Jinn/demons via our 3rd eye/pineal gland/mind's eye.

pixie_shhh · 25-11-2010, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by jshappy

They do not exist in the material world in the way we do. You can only see them in the mind's eye.

i used to think this for the most part, and times i'd see things (mainly in my periphial) i thought it a case of my minds eye overridding my proper eyes...however ive seen clearly with my own eyes a few times now, and hubby is more prone to seeing with his proper eyes too.

the clearest ive seen was a huge black mass over our bed during a ritual, darker than dark.. i got the keen impression of being sized up, sniffed even when left in the room by myself for a short while. when he was in the room it was ceiling level, the minute the door closed behind him it swamped down lower, but didnt touch me. as i seen to recall the mass was there when he tried to lay for the night alone and it prompted him to come and get me to experience it too

i have to say its not a scary experience, but thrilling with an element of "oohhhhhhhshit" lmao. there is a healthy respect on both sides im appreciative of.

jshappy · 25-11-2010, 10:23 AM

That's how they manifest. They do appear as if you are seeing them. But it's just in your mind. Don't underestimate imagination.

jshappy · 25-11-2010, 10:55 AM

Demons can take material form but usually don't, they would rather take over your mind, as you open up the doors to them, and take control of your personality. Much easier to use you then to go through all the hassle to take on material form, but they can. It's just to their advantage to listen for a knock on the door and enter the minds of those who open themselves up to them. They all have purposes they wish to work out here amongst us, and some are just very destructive, but others are diabolical and have plans and if you can be useful to their goals, they will work with you slowly infecting your mind until you are obedient to them.

ragnarok · 25-11-2010, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by jshappy

Demons can take material form but usually don't, they would rather take over your mind, as you open up the doors to them, and take control of your personality. Much easier to use you then to go through all the hassle to take on material form, but they can. It's just to their advantage to listen for a knock on the door and enter the minds of those who open themselves up to them. They all have purposes they wish to work out here amongst us, and some are just very destructive, but others are diabolical and have plans and if you can be useful to their goals, they will work with you slowly infecting your mind until you are obedient to them.

That just excuses the selfish and sadistic behaviour of a lot of human beings.

Using Occam's Razor, it is totally unnecessary to throw demonic entities into the mix, when man needs no such encouragement to carry out atrocities.

jshappy · 25-11-2010, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by ragnarok

That just excuses the selfish and sadistic behaviour of a lot of human beings.

No, because you don't become 'possessed' unless you make the effort to seek them out. They can not control your mind, they can't make you do anything you don't want to. But they can try, ultimately you are the one who gives in and are responsible for listening to bad advice.

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Using Occam's Razor, it is totally unnecessary to throw demonic entities into the mix, when man needs no such encouragement to carry out atrocities.

Using Occam's razor might eliminate the explanation but it's doesn't mean it does. All you're doing is using a fine razor to split your perceptions and discard half the equation. But it is still only in your mind.

jshappy · 25-11-2010, 11:32 AM

Understand when I talk about demons I am speaking more of mental activity than actual living things. It takes incredible imagination and strength of will to make the mind become real, so you don't see material demons very often. But these 'thought patterns' are like a virus they spread from mind to mind. 'Demons' would be those that are primarily negative, and 'Angels' would be thought patterns that are positive. It's just all in your head according to me, and your brain is capable of alot more than you realize.

pixie_shhh · 25-11-2010, 07:44 PM

is thoroughly confused now... how could a product of your imagination leave ep recordings for you? lol i must have misread something?

its my opinion that every spirit has a good side and a bad side...its nature and depends on which personality you have appealed to...for example in voodoo there are two seperate ways to call out "the same" spirit, one path is Rada and the other is Petro... depending on the Veve and the offerings you get very different results, some helpful, some war like ... you wouldnt identify with a warlike spirit if what you wanted was nurturing if you catch my gist...
and of course, by upsetting one i'm sure they can easily turn, however in most cases you would have to deliberately do so as most are understanding. (Another good reason for weening yourself into it, as some are not so forgiving im sure)

I have to say i'm pretty skeptical on the whole diabolical plan/manipulation fiasco, one of the first rules of thumb is to use common sense and stay centered

jshappy · 26-11-2010, 04:27 AM

I dont' think they are just a product of your imagination. But they aren't living like we are. It is possible the imagination can change reality. With enough determination and will you can make your imagination real. I'll try to explain. Imagine an engineer sits down and designs a car. He has put his imagination into a plan, which with his knowledge, should work. But until he builds it it is just an idea on paper. When he goes to build it, he makes it real. Demons are alot like that. They are mostly ideas but they can be real. Some people have put their imagination into reality. And those are demons, and they are real.

qpid · 26-11-2010, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by jshappy

They do not exist in the material world in the way we do. You can only see them in the mind's eye.

heuer · 26-11-2010, 06:56 AM

tzikin is a good person to discuss this with, he has had first-hand experiences regarding the matter and has a wealth of information regarding that aspect of the world.

jshappy · 26-11-2010, 10:12 AM

You can summon them. But I don't recommend it.

Find the name of the demon or god you want to summon
Build an altar and decorate it with objects of the demon.
Create a mantra or chant about the demon and ask it to make it's presence
draw a pentgram on the floor and concentrate
chant the mantra
ask the demon to present itself and take an oath
if it refuses then you proceed with caution or banish it
if it does it doesn't mean it will honor it's oath

If you make contact with it, you will know. But I don't recommend you summon them just out of curiosity it's a bad idea.

pixie_shhh · 27-11-2010, 08:18 AM

Unless of course the imagination is prompted, which would blow that theory out of the water

hadaka_jimmy · 21-12-2010, 08:48 AM

I'll tell you a little story about a guy who used to come to Judo. He was a born again Christian and pleasant enough fella. Teacher at a CoE school and took his religion very seriously. His wife was the same kind of ilk and they were in their mid-20's.

One time at the sports hall, there was trampolining going on and some girls were spinning and stuff on the trampoline. A few of us were marvelling at this particular girls enormous breasts bouncing up and down to the rhythm of the bounces

We all saw this guy turn away and stare at the wall.

I said to him 'look at that! Spectacular!' as most of just stood looking. He replied and this is in all seriousness. "NO". I said okay keep your hair on... he said 'she's a demon, and you can't see it'. I said no, she's a girl trampolining with big boobs, that's it.

His demenour changed from an easy going guy to where I thought he was going to kick off big time. 'No, she's a demon, I'm not looking and you shouldn't either if you know what's good for you'.

Class then started, but this is around 14 years ago and I'll never forget that. I'm sure he was just a total fucking nut-job, but you never know!

lizzyking · 21-12-2010, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by hadaka_jimmy

I said to him 'look at that! Spectacular!' as most of just stood looking. He replied and this is in all seriousness. "NO". I said okay keep your hair on... he said 'she's a demon, and you can't see it'. I said no, she's a girl trampolining with big boobs, that's it.

soleil · 21-12-2010, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by hadaka_jimmy

I'll tell you a little story about a guy who used to come to Judo. He was a born again Christian and pleasant enough fella. Teacher at a CoE school and took his religion very seriously. His wife was the same kind of ilk and they were in their mid-20's.

My first (and only) experience with what was assumed to be demons was when I was invited to a pentecostal church in my late-teens. During the service, a couple of young men would randomly kick off by saying profanities in a deep, guttural tone of voice. Either they'd be thrown against a wall or they'd throw the church's menfolk around who tried to hold them down. They seemed to become more pacified by commands in Jesus' name and the boys would just convulse on the floor before apparently going to sleep. Sometimes 'slime' would come from their mouths (that is why pentecostal churches have tissues handy round the place).

One of these boys used to use the ouija board while the other went on to Bible college

I asked the pastor who these 'demons' were and he not only gave the orthodox Christian response of them being part of the 1/3 of former angels who rebelled, he said that he also spoke to one which told him that it saw his mother and father die 'in the flood'. It then clarified that it wasn't the flood of Noah but a flood that destroyed the inhabitants of Earth before Adam and Eve.

This same pastor said that he 'delivered' (Christian parlance for casting demons out of someone) a man who saw UFOs very regularly and once he was clear of possession, stopped seeing them.

drakul · 21-12-2010, 12:12 PM

This -

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Quote - Zymon 6) In some cases they can completely or partially possess someone, it depends
on how vulnerable the human victim is. Many people commit murder or rape while
completely blacked out and unaware of what they are doing. This is when a type
of complete or partial possession occurs.

Happens much more than we realize.

hadaka_jimmy · 21-12-2010, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by lizzyking

Wings or not, I'd shag it lol

pixie_shhh · 21-12-2010, 10:32 PM

lol what a picture

In my own twisted warped little reality, theres something quite different about "some" people- some that in all seriousness scared the living shit out of me, some i went as far as to call "evil" in my younger days, and even kept a running mental log on them and thier weird acts and occurances, but never once did i think they were demonic, even when i was ignorant on the subject, even in my (somewhat short) christian try-outs. HOWEVER i do still think there is something to them, and the word that pops to mind now is sinister...

In my experiences with "demons" i've felt a little tested before as we're getting to know one another (points to my earlier posts that explains this, as this thread has now kicked off again -yay- lol) but not threatened, nor have i been physically sick with fear as i have some supposed humans walking about in broad day light. (thinks i'm gonna start a topic on folks that just dont seem...right, ill link it incase anybodies interested after i've made it)

Doesnt anybody find it rather peculiar that green slime oozes out of the mouths of dedicated christians? And it only ever seems to be the deeply religious christians that become possessed in the evil-made-for-hollywood sense? Those who practise voodoo HOPE to be the horse, its a privilege and an honour, and they dont have demons clawing them from the inside out, emily rose'ing them around to the point thier health deteriorates so badly that they DIE? I think its a place in africa (could be mistaken) where children are even horribly abused by the acts of getting the demon out (known as the kendoki (sp?) over there... its a bit fucked up when you compare it all dontcha think??

burial · 22-12-2010, 02:00 AM

Ive spoken with Satan.

Questions?

Or a being that claimed to be Satan.

25-11-2010, 07:44 PM	#28
pixie_shhh Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 377	is thoroughly confused now... how could a product of your imagination leave ep recordings for you? lol i must have misread something? its my opinion that every spirit has a good side and a bad side...its nature and depends on which personality you have appealed to...for example in voodoo there are two seperate ways to call out "the same" spirit, one path is Rada and the other is Petro... depending on the Veve and the offerings you get very different results, some helpful, some war like ... you wouldnt identify with a warlike spirit if what you wanted was nurturing if you catch my gist... and of course, by upsetting one i'm sure they can easily turn, however in most cases you would have to deliberately do so as most are understanding. (Another good reason for weening yourself into it, as some are not so forgiving im sure) I have to say i'm pretty skeptical on the whole diabolical plan/manipulation fiasco, one of the first rules of thumb is to use common sense and stay centered __________________ Meaning isnt in things - it's between them

26-11-2010, 10:12 AM	#32
jshappy Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 42	You can summon them. But I don't recommend it. Find the name of the demon or god you want to summon Build an altar and decorate it with objects of the demon. Create a mantra or chant about the demon and ask it to make it's presence draw a pentgram on the floor and concentrate chant the mantra ask the demon to present itself and take an oath if it refuses then you proceed with caution or banish it if it does it doesn't mean it will honor it's oath If you make contact with it, you will know. But I don't recommend you summon them just out of curiosity it's a bad idea. Last edited by jshappy; 26-11-2010 at 10:13 AM.

27-11-2010, 08:18 AM	#33
pixie_shhh Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 377	Unless of course the imagination is prompted, which would blow that theory out of the water __________________ Meaning isnt in things - it's between them

21-12-2010, 10:32 PM	#39
pixie_shhh Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 377	lol what a picture In my own twisted warped little reality, theres something quite different about "some" people- some that in all seriousness scared the living shit out of me, some i went as far as to call "evil" in my younger days, and even kept a running mental log on them and thier weird acts and occurances, but never once did i think they were demonic, even when i was ignorant on the subject, even in my (somewhat short) christian try-outs. HOWEVER i do still think there is something to them, and the word that pops to mind now is sinister... In my experiences with "demons" i've felt a little tested before as we're getting to know one another (points to my earlier posts that explains this, as this thread has now kicked off again -yay- lol) but not threatened, nor have i been physically sick with fear as i have some supposed humans walking about in broad day light. (thinks i'm gonna start a topic on folks that just dont seem...right, ill link it incase anybodies interested after i've made it) Doesnt anybody find it rather peculiar that green slime oozes out of the mouths of dedicated christians? And it only ever seems to be the deeply religious christians that become possessed in the evil-made-for-hollywood sense? Those who practise voodoo HOPE to be the horse, its a privilege and an honour, and they dont have demons clawing them from the inside out, emily rose'ing them around to the point thier health deteriorates so badly that they DIE? I think its a place in africa (could be mistaken) where children are even horribly abused by the acts of getting the demon out (known as the kendoki (sp?) over there... its a bit fucked up when you compare it all dontcha think?? __________________ Meaning isnt in things - it's between them

22-12-2010, 02:00 AM	#40
burial Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Hell (usa) Posts: 428	Ive spoken with Satan. Questions? Or a being that claimed to be Satan. __________________ Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest. Last edited by burial; 22-12-2010 at 02:01 AM.

25-11-2010, 06:18 AM	#21
jimj_wpg Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 684	JsHappy, I have seen them when my eyes are wide open during the day in a darkened room, and at night, and in the early morn (8/9 a.m.). But you can still be right. It is possible that we see Jinn/demons via our 3rd eye/pineal gland/mind's eye.

25-11-2010, 10:23 AM	#23
jshappy Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 42	That's how they manifest. They do appear as if you are seeing them. But it's just in your mind. Don't underestimate imagination.

25-11-2010, 10:55 AM	#24
jshappy Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 42	Demons can take material form but usually don't, they would rather take over your mind, as you open up the doors to them, and take control of your personality. Much easier to use you then to go through all the hassle to take on material form, but they can. It's just to their advantage to listen for a knock on the door and enter the minds of those who open themselves up to them. They all have purposes they wish to work out here amongst us, and some are just very destructive, but others are diabolical and have plans and if you can be useful to their goals, they will work with you slowly infecting your mind until you are obedient to them.

25-11-2010, 11:32 AM	#27
jshappy Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 42	Understand when I talk about demons I am speaking more of mental activity than actual living things. It takes incredible imagination and strength of will to make the mind become real, so you don't see material demons very often. But these 'thought patterns' are like a virus they spread from mind to mind. 'Demons' would be those that are primarily negative, and 'Angels' would be thought patterns that are positive. It's just all in your head according to me, and your brain is capable of alot more than you realize.

26-11-2010, 04:27 AM	#29
jshappy Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 42	I dont' think they are just a product of your imagination. But they aren't living like we are. It is possible the imagination can change reality. With enough determination and will you can make your imagination real. I'll try to explain. Imagine an engineer sits down and designs a car. He has put his imagination into a plan, which with his knowledge, should work. But until he builds it it is just an idea on paper. When he goes to build it, he makes it real. Demons are alot like that. They are mostly ideas but they can be real. Some people have put their imagination into reality. And those are demons, and they are real.

26-11-2010, 06:56 AM	#31
heuer Inactive Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: London Posts: 1,565	tzikin is a good person to discuss this with, he has had first-hand experiences regarding the matter and has a wealth of information regarding that aspect of the world.

21-12-2010, 08:48 AM	#34
hadaka_jimmy Banned Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: The Berghof Posts: 8,049	I'll tell you a little story about a guy who used to come to Judo. He was a born again Christian and pleasant enough fella. Teacher at a CoE school and took his religion very seriously. His wife was the same kind of ilk and they were in their mid-20's. One time at the sports hall, there was trampolining going on and some girls were spinning and stuff on the trampoline. A few of us were marvelling at this particular girls enormous breasts bouncing up and down to the rhythm of the bounces We all saw this guy turn away and stare at the wall. I said to him 'look at that! Spectacular!' as most of just stood looking. He replied and this is in all seriousness. "NO". I said okay keep your hair on... he said 'she's a demon, and you can't see it'. I said no, she's a girl trampolining with big boobs, that's it. His demenour changed from an easy going guy to where I thought he was going to kick off big time. 'No, she's a demon, I'm not looking and you shouldn't either if you know what's good for you'. Class then started, but this is around 14 years ago and I'll never forget that. I'm sure he was just a total fucking nut-job, but you never know!