75% of the physicians refuses chemotherapy

[barbalatte]

you post made up statistics from such sites as facts? what a joke

[piskavac]

Originally Posted by blue2

Sellafield the Nuclear Centre in Cumbria is guilty of several decades of organizing removal of all organs of any person who worked there and who died..

... and so on. I read your entire post, but didn't understand why they did it?

Is it for hiding damage from (possible) high radiation, or, does they wanted to secretly do examinations on these bodies? If so, why?

[piskavac]

Originally Posted by tenzingnorgay

If you have cancer, guess which system is the most important to you at this time, more than it’s ever been before in your whole life. Right – your immune system. Now guess which system suffers the most from chemotherapy and radiation. Right again. So the one time in your life you most need it, your immune system will be weakened by those therapies. That’s what the word cytotoxic means. As we will see, most people don’t die of cancer; they die from cancer treatment.

Lothar Hirneise who wrote the book: - "Chemotherapie heilt Krebs und die Erde ist eine Scheibe" (I don't know exact English title) srote, in Russia has done one research on cancer among Saami population who rarely suffer from cancer. They supposed their imunity is very strong, but what they found is their imunity is realy very weak.

Hirneise mentions research according to which, strong imune system increases toxin tolerance in body of cancer suffered wictim, but result is only painful life prolonged to a some extent. Because something like "explosion" take place when the body is awashed by variety and amount of toxins.

[valkyrieangel]

Originally Posted by piskavac

Lothar Hirneise who wrote the book: - "Chemotherapie heilt Krebs und die Erde ist eine Scheibe" (I don't know exact English title) srote, in Russia has done one research on cancer among Saami population who rarely suffer from cancer. They supposed their imunity is very strong, but what they found is their imunity is realy very weak.

Hirneise mentions research according to which, strong imune system increases toxin tolerance in body of cancer suffered wictim, but result is only painful life prolonged to a some extent. Because something like "explosion" take place when the body is awashed by variety and amount of toxins.

That is very interesting! I see a lot of very robust people who overeat and are full of toxins, in denial of the fact that they are poisoned... They have strong immune systems but their organs are clogged up.

[devicenull]

Originally Posted by piskavac

Lothar Hirneise who wrote the book: - "Chemotherapie heilt Krebs und die Erde ist eine Scheibe" (I don't know exact English title)

Think it is this. Chemotherapy Heals Cancer and the World is Flat

Amazon.com: Chemotherapy Heals Cancer and the World is Flat (9783981050202): Lothar Hirneise: Books

 

Amazon.com: Chemotherapy Heals Cancer and the World is Flat (9783981050202): Lothar Hirneise: Books

And ther are many studies on cancer of Sami population here in Sweden, Norway etc. I have them on my computer but can be found on the internet.
Here are some names.

Cancer in the Sami population of Sweden in relation to lifestyle and genetic factors

Lifestyle, Genetics, and Disease in Sami

Cancer risk in the reindeer breeding Saami population of Sweden, 1961–1997

Cancer in the Sami population of North Norway, 1970-1997

Causes of death in the Sami population of Sweden, 1961–2000

[piskavac]

Originally Posted by devicenull

Think it is this. Chemotherapy Heals Cancer and the World is Flat

Amazon.com: Chemotherapy Heals Cancer and the World is Flat (9783981050202): Lothar Hirneise: Books

And ther are many studies on cancer of Sami population here in Sweden, Norway etc. I have them on my computer but can be found on the internet.
Here are some names.

Cancer in the Sami population of Sweden in relation to lifestyle and genetic factors

Lifestyle, Genetics, and Disease in Sami

Cancer risk in the reindeer breeding Saami population of Sweden, 1961–1997

Cancer in the Sami population of North Norway, 1970-1997

Causes of death in the Sami population of Sweden, 1961–2000

Yes, that is title.

[piskavac]

Originally Posted by earthicastar

does this mean to say that 75% of physicians have cancer?

No, it doesen't.

I am affraid if one of them realy suffer from cancer, he or she will turn to chemotherapy without too much hesitation. Because when person is in the danger, he or she turns to old habit more than ever before. They are merely mind conditioned to more-or-less believe in chemotherapy.

People rarely make drastic and durable changes to enhance and better their lives. Eventually they, will eat health food, do excercises, until problem disappear or even become something less strong than it was.

[devicenull]

Originally Posted by valkyrieangel

A doctor friend had cancer and had chemo and recovered very well. I don't doubt that chemotherapy is hard on the body, but it seems to work.

It can work in some cases when there is a virus that causes the inflammation and dies because of the radiation ore chemotherapy. But those persons usaly dies of heart problem ore liver problems. A few survives. Not only a 5 year survival that big pharma uses for survival statistic.

[princessofwands]

From today's news...

Chemotherapy can backfire and boost cancer growth: study
(AFP) – 2 days ago

PARIS — Cancer-busting chemotherapy can cause damage to healthy cells which triggers them to secrete a protein that sustains tumour growth and resistance to further treatment, a study said Sunday.

Researchers in the United States made the "completely unexpected" finding while seeking to explain why cancer cells are so resilient inside the human body when they are easy to kill in the lab.

They tested the effects of a type of chemotherapy on tissue collected from men with prostate cancer, and found "evidence of DNA damage" in healthy cells after treatment, the scientists wrote in Nature Medicine.

Chemotherapy works by inhibiting reproduction of fast-dividing cells such as those found in tumours.

The scientists found that healthy cells damaged by chemotherapy secreted more of a protein called WNT16B which boosts cancer cell survival.

"The increase in WNT16B was completely unexpected," study co-author Peter Nelson of the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle told AFP.

The protein was taken up by tumour cells neighbouring the damaged cells.

"WNT16B, when secreted, would interact with nearby tumour cells and cause them to grow, invade, and importantly, resist subsequent therapy," said Nelson.

In cancer treatment, tumours often respond well initially, followed by rapid regrowth and then resistance to further chemotherapy.

Rates of tumour cell reproduction have been shown to accelerate between treatments.

"Our results indicate that damage responses in benign cells... may directly contribute to enhanced tumour growth kinetics," wrote the team.

The researchers said they confirmed their findings with breast and ovarian cancer tumours.

The result paves the way for research into new, improved treatment, said Nelson.

"For example, an antibody to WNT16B, given with chemotherapy, may improve responses (kill more tumour cells)," he said in an email exchange.

"Alternatively, it may be possible to use smaller, less toxic doses of therapy."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp...3d3f70dfe5.101

[defendfreedom]

Check out this link for information about cancer .....
http://scottishfreedomnetwork.wordpress.com/cancer/

[terrorworld]

Doctors refusing chemotherapy personally but recommending it to patients (or not warning them though knowing about the dangers)...
This says it all: Numerous physicians are just perverted bastards and killers.

[devicenull]

Originally Posted by barbalatte

you post made up statistics from such sites as facts? what a joke

Long time ago now, but if you think that my post are made up statistics, I have no problem giving you resources if you want to see.

[mata]

Originally Posted by orslah

The great lack of trust is evident even amongst doctors. Polls and questionnaires show that three doctors out of four (75 per cent) would refuse any chemotherapy because of its ineffectiveness against the disease and its devastating effects on the entire human organism. This is what many doctors and scientists have to say about chemotherapy:
“The majority of the cancer patients in this country die because of chemotherapy, which does not cure breast, colon or lung cancer. This has been documented for over a decade and nevertheless doctors still utilize chemotherapy to fight these tumors.” (Allen Levin, MD, UCSF, “The Healing of Cancer”, Marcus Books, 1990).


http://www.curenaturalicancro.com/2-...use-chemo.html
Also see: Chemo destroys brain cells

Hi Orslah. I once met a Romanian medical professional who had left the sector altogether after experiences she gained over the course of many years employed to interpret test results at a facility in Romania. She could no longer ignore the fact that, time and time again, results which indicated the patient could still have a good chance of long-term survival were systematically ignored - and the lead practitioner would still deliver a two or three month prognosis to the patient. After witnessing hundreds of patients die like clock-work because they had "believed" the prognosis - she eventually couldn't take it anymore and left. She was unable to reconcile what she knew about their test results with the dire prognosis they were handed by associates who had seniority to her. Because her career had been built entirely around that specific role - at her age, leaving the job meant leaving the medical sector entirely. She is now living a very meagre 'pay-check to pay-check' existence, on the other side of the world from where she started out, but prefers it to what she herself expressed as "participating in murder". She was very firm about the fact that the key lies in the interpretation of the results - and that 'standard practice' should not include delivering a dire prognosis to patients unless it is absolutely 100% warranted. Again, in her experience such a prognosis was too often delivered - despite interpretations to the contrary (!). The patient would internalize the dire prognosis to such an extent that the very real chance they may have had of surviving was reduced to practically zero. We're talking about hundreds of instances here, and that's only at the one facility she worked at. Extrapolate that out on an international scale and what you get is a tightly controlled system of Death Warranting that is murdering hundreds of thousands - whilst boosting Big Pharma revenue, ad ifinitum.

[divineangel]

Years ago I went to see my herbalist, I was sitting in the herbalists waiting room and they guy sitting next to me and I started talking, turns out he was an oncological md with prostate cancer and he was going to my herbalist teacher for treatment to cure his cancer.

The oncologist md told me, he had seen so much death in his work he wanted no part of that treatment, chemo and radiation, for his cancer, that is why he was seeing my herbalist teacher for help.

NOW YOU KNOW WHERE CANCER MD's GO WHEN 'THEY' GET CANCER.

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[glasgowleopard]

Hello Everyone,

I have been reading through a lot of this thread and there is a lot of good information on here.

My issue is you can take a horse to water but you cant make it drink.

My Mother just had a cancerous breast lump removed and today they told her that it will come back unless she has Chemo and radiotherapy.

I have been trying to get my Mum to come to the Shen clinic and I have bought her all the supplements they recommend. I have tried to talk to her about how to reduce her stress levels (you will never have met anyone as stressed as her n your life), how to ammend her diet and her lifestyle etc...
My Mum had decided once the lump was removed to go down the alternative route.

Yet today her Doctor told her that the type of cancer she has is not affected by diet, alcohol consumption or stress. So she seems almost happy about this as it means she can continue her life as it is and not change anything. When it is obvious this is what she needs to do. This really annoys me that a Doctor would say this and that she so easy believes it as that is what she wants to believe.

I am buying her books to read and providing her links of videos to watch to educate herself and she says she will read/watch them and doesn't.

For the next year she will end up ill with Chemo and Radiotherapy because she is refusing to look at the alternatives.

My big concern is that with her already stressed, severe ashma, IBS and suspected galstones, the Chemo will weaken her immune system so much she will end up dying of something.

It is so frustrating as she has a 2 year old that she is the main carer for, her youngest son is only 17 and I have relocated from London to Glasgow to look after her during treatment and if anything happens to her I need to bring up my nephew also. So the impact of her decision will affect all of us.

I am doing everything I can to provide her with the help and assistance that she needs plus researching all of the information about alternative treatments without her going looking herself.

How do you get through to someone like this who just goes with what the doctor says?

Frustrated!

[mata]

Originally Posted by glasgowleopard

Hello Everyone,

I have been reading through a lot of this thread and there is a lot of good information on here.

My issue is you can take a horse to water but you cant make it drink.

My Mother just had a cancerous breast lump removed and today they told her that it will come back unless she has Chemo and radiotherapy.

I have been trying to get my Mum to come to the Shen clinic and I have bought her all the supplements they recommend. I have tried to talk to her about how to reduce her stress levels (you will never have met anyone as stressed as her n your life), how to ammend her diet and her lifestyle etc...
My Mum had decided once the lump was removed to go down the alternative route.

Yet today her Doctor told her that the type of cancer she has is not affected by diet, alcohol consumption or stress. So she seems almost happy about this as it means she can continue her life as it is and not change anything. When it is obvious this is what she needs to do. This really annoys me that a Doctor would say this and that she so easy believes it as that is what she wants to believe.

I am buying her books to read and providing her links of videos to watch to educate herself and she says she will read/watch them and doesn't.

For the next year she will end up ill with Chemo and Radiotherapy because she is refusing to look at the alternatives.

My big concern is that with her already stressed, severe ashma, IBS and suspected galstones, the Chemo will weaken her immune system so much she will end up dying of something.

It is so frustrating as she has a 2 year old that she is the main carer for, her youngest son is only 17 and I have relocated from London to Glasgow to look after her during treatment and if anything happens to her I need to bring up my nephew also. So the impact of her decision will affect all of us.

I am doing everything I can to provide her with the help and assistance that she needs plus researching all of the information about alternative treatments without her going looking herself.

How do you get through to someone like this who just goes with what the doctor says?

Frustrated!

My Heart goes out to you Glasgowleopard, what a hellishly difficult situation! First up, I've never been in your position - but I want to reply to your post because my own Mum will not see the industry for what it is and has had numerous Glands needlessly removed because of it. Since your Mum (at this point) is only willing to recognise the Doctor's point of view, you could try convincing her that before she makes a decision about chemo - she must, for all of your sakes, put the onus on the Doctor to supply her with information that categorically proves the type of cancer she has is not effected by diet, stress or lifestyle.

Make the doctor actually do a bit of work for his consultancy fee!! You could see what the doctor comes up with and go from there with shooting holes in the data (which will no doubt be easy to do). This might be a slightly scary way to do it - but since you have already done your research you will no doubt find the right angles to apply to the Doctor's so-called "proof".

Bringing up a Reasonable Doubt within your Mum's mind about her own Doctor's supposed 'intellectual invincibility' might be the key in the locked door. If the massive amount of work you've done until now has not managed to break that barrier yet in your Mum, maybe it'll come from really scrutinizing what comes in the way of "proof" 'from the horses's mouth' (i.e. the Doctor's)? It's a hard one - and what I've written here is only a suggestion, obviously - hopefully others will contribute will more suggestions.

Stay Strong! All the best to you and hope your Mum stays as well as she can during this process - and you too!

[p.s.] If not already taking, daily magnesium-calcium supplement, B complex, high quality fish oil
and regular protein intake (min 16grams every 4 hrs) + lots H2O (away from meals)
- might help her stress levels so that she can see things clearer.

[piskavac]

Originally Posted by glasgowleopard

Hello Everyone,

I have been reading through a lot of this thread and there is a lot of good information on here.

My issue is you can take a horse to water but you cant make it drink.

My Mother just had a cancerous breast lump removed and today they told her that it will come back unless she has Chemo and radiotherapy.

I feel sorry and feel deep regreet for you. My mum hasn't cancer but have serious affair on immune system. She cough in every year season. Whether winter, summer, spring, or autumn... no matter.

She refuses to go to doctor, refuses to use food supplements, and although we are in a willage; - she even refuses to grow a curable herb/plant to solve that problem.

I am helpless, and I am affraid her condition will be worsened after year or two. As disabled person I am depend on her. And as such she believe me nothing. Or eventualy say make laugh is best medicine. She is flippant/frivolous. Her cough last approx five or six year constantly. She has wet cough, I try to prove her that body is like a stove. When you have humid wood to heat it, if fire starts anyway what you can see on the stowe glass is many particles from that wood, and many ash flying to the chimney. I compared all this to being feed by trash food we alredy eat. And if the body haven't enough fire (curable plant/herb) it make as best as it could to get rid of ashes caused by a trash food, bad digestion, and weak fire. I advice her non-stop when she has wet cough to trow it in the handkerchief, not to pull in back into her body. But, I can't prove her nothing.

Her constant cough is psycho teror for me. I would be far more patient with those who sufer from realy hard illness. From diabetes, schizophrenia, depression... whatever. But I have limitation as any common person, and simply can't endure her dereliction, carelesness, and ignorance. I am affraided I would beat her, because of all that terror coming from her constant cough.

But, but, but... in that case only male is responsible for domestic violence. Not female who psychically murder her """""beloved ones""""". Uh, if I am her beloved one, why she don't give a shit whatever I say regarding her health.

I am utterly ashamed to say many willagers in my willage do not grow food for themselves. (Being disabled i am not in postition to grow it for myself)

[piskavac]

What would happen to my mum if I weren't succesful in convincing her to do just anything regarding her health. She ordinary takse tablet for hear, tablet for pressure, tablet for regulating her fat, and aspirin.

She equals food supplement with classic drug whatever word I use and whatever approach I take.

Aditional mess here in Croatia does big pharmaceutical firm when they advertise food supplements. They regularily states "For additional information on this drug side effects, and measures of caution ask your physician or pharmacist".

What side effects somebody has taking big dose of i. e. B-complex???

The "side effect" is that person's piss will become yellow.

[mata]

Originally Posted by glasgowleopard

Hello Everyone,

I have been reading through a lot of this thread and there is a lot of good information on here.

My issue is you can take a horse to water but you cant make it drink.

My Mother just had a cancerous breast lump removed and today they told her that it will come back unless she has Chemo and radiotherapy.

I have been trying to get my Mum to come to the Shen clinic and I have bought her all the supplements they recommend. I have tried to talk to her about how to reduce her stress levels (you will never have met anyone as stressed as her n your life), how to ammend her diet and her lifestyle etc...
My Mum had decided once the lump was removed to go down the alternative route.

Yet today her Doctor told her that the type of cancer she has is not affected by diet, alcohol consumption or stress. So she seems almost happy about this as it means she can continue her life as it is and not change anything. When it is obvious this is what she needs to do. This really annoys me that a Doctor would say this and that she so easy believes it as that is what she wants to believe.

I am buying her books to read and providing her links of videos to watch to educate herself and she says she will read/watch them and doesn't.

For the next year she will end up ill with Chemo and Radiotherapy because she is refusing to look at the alternatives.

My big concern is that with her already stressed, severe ashma, IBS and suspected galstones, the Chemo will weaken her immune system so much she will end up dying of something.

It is so frustrating as she has a 2 year old that she is the main carer for, her youngest son is only 17 and I have relocated from London to Glasgow to look after her during treatment and if anything happens to her I need to bring up my nephew also. So the impact of her decision will affect all of us.

I am doing everything I can to provide her with the help and assistance that she needs plus researching all of the information about alternative treatments without her going looking herself.

How do you get through to someone like this who just goes with what the doctor says?

Frustrated!

How are you getting on Glasgowleopard?

Hope some others here will forward more suggestions for how to deal with this situation.

All the best, mata.

[glasgowleopard]

Hi Mata and Pikavac,

Thankyou for your kind words, advice and caring.

I am making some progress. My Mum is dabbling in reading the books I have given her and she seems open to looking at alternative healing.

My Mum does change her mind quite a but but I think she is open to at least delay the chemo and radiotherapy for 3-6 months to try other things first and to give her time to read up on them so that she understands them before having them to to herself.

I keep thinking to myself to just understand that I can only do my best to provide her with the information and ask her to look at it but I can not force it up her. Her life is in her own hands. I can not force my will upon her.

But then I think of a dream I had just before all this happened where I was in the Amazon sitting by a river and a kingfisher bird hovered close to me talking to me (not in a language I could undestand- the language of the birds). But I knew it was not just making lovely chirruping noises it was talking to me.

My friend who has a book of the meaning of birds sent me what the book says about Kingfishers.

"Kingfisher sits patiently on a tree branch waiting, sometimes twenty feet in the air waiting for a fish in the river below. Kingfisher may dive for a fish and miss but they always try until suceeding".

So I think maybe I should just keep going - trying until I suceed.