Rebellion over: Has War Begun?

[wise haven]

Originally Posted by john white

This is a sad day... also, perhaps, an inevitable day. The process of treason, co-option, coercion and obfuscation has led to this. We no longer have a justice system capable of doing anything else but bowing to its political masters... while dismissing lawful argument as "political"

Basically, the officials of the court simply were not brave enough to do what was right

I haven't met John Hurst and I couldn't say what his next course of action might be, but I've done my share of warning of the road we are on and its with a heavy heart I see where it is taking us

It takes two to war... and I won't play my part in that drama

But I do see complete and total non-co-operation as the only recourse now left to the people

We must not go quietly into the night... we must do our part to ensure some remain to make it through to the dawn

It's now a choice, clear as never before, between valuing ourselves or selling ourselves into slavery

Wise words John - But I ask; what is your definition of war?. I am no advocate of war in the traditional sense. But whatever definition is apparent, this needs to be taken to a different level, No?

[wise haven]

Originally Posted by freedom1st

...to be snipered!

Don't be naughty - let our dreams become reality but leave our fantasies for the bedroom

[denisejeffrey]

Just to let you know my husband filed a judicial review on this matter approx 25 days ago, so we wait now to see what the result of this will be at a higher court than magistrates. I would expect that John will do likewise.
It does take time to prepare the papers for the Judicial Review and of course it does cost money £50 initially to file the papers and then I think it is £180 after that, not too sure on the exact costs.
Colin's case is also based on treason and lawful rebellion, however we did not have as much information as John at the time of filing, so John's case will be better presented perhaps than Colin's.
WE must not give up, no matter how many defeats we face, there is too much at stake.
Lots of love
Denise

[wise haven]

Thanks Denise - My understanding was/is that John would not be taking this to a higher court.
Please keep in touch Denise so we can muster some support for your husband and try to get some financial support for the judicial review. It is in all our interest and only fair that we all contribute to the cost. The least we can do is provide some financial support - and I am sure there are those that can turn up, in person, for moral support.

[denisejeffrey]

Thank you for you kind support, we had thought that John would take this to the higher court as well. But never mind we have, and we will not be holding our breath for a just outcome, but we must try and we will take this as far as we can. I will let you know when we have a date etc. so far we have done this on our own but I am guessing that there will come a time when some friendly support will be most welcome. Quite frankly we would go without food if necessary rather than give in due to costs, one day maybe we may have to take up your offer for a few pennies or maybe just some food lol.
Once again thank you so much
Love
Denise

[john white]

Originally Posted by wise haven

Wise words John - But I ask; what is your definition of war?. I am no advocate of war in the traditional sense. But whatever definition is apparent, this needs to be taken to a different level, No?

Well, I'm saying I wont define myself as at War with the State

Definition of War? Dominate the other "guy" or be dominated. I suppose it comes down to that. There is physical war, economic war, ideological war, emotional war.. its about domination. And when we convince ourselves we can dominate the other guy, we are also saying the other guy can dominate us if he is stronger, and that's ok, its how the "real world" works

I don't hold with that at all

War is Death, War is Destruction but ultimately War is Anti

And I have no intention of being Anti: I believe in the power of being Pro

I wont fight in a War: I'll live by expression

And sometimes the integrity of my expression requires me to say "no"

Integrity. Self knowledge. Self worth

If we can't hold onto them, we have nothing

But when we are "fighting" liars and cheats and cowards who have already lost themselves, they are the finest "weapons" to be had

this needs to be taken to a different level, No?

On the above basis, yes.

Victory over Ourselves!

[elysiumfire]

A big 'well done' to all concerned. A 'well done' for all your perserverance, fortitude, and resolve. For your knowledge, and strength of character not to allow yourself to be led by the false representatives of British Law.

Nevertheless, you did not succeed in your intended cause, but found to your little cost that either through ignorance or wilful disregard, the false representatives still went ahead and functioned as if they were no reins on their power.

Lawful rebellion...there's no such thing. There's only a reaction to oppression and trampling of one's dignity as a human being, and if that rebellion turns to war and strife, then it has to be seen through to total victory, or not engaged at all. You have to be willing to die in that rebellion to stand any chance of winning, or at least of leveling the playing field.

[jeff_bloomfield]

If anyone read the original post to at least halfway, they would have seen that the original poster repeated the story in its entirety.

[malvern]

Well, I'm saying I wont define myself as at War with the State

Definition of War? Dominate the other "guy" or be dominated. I suppose it comes down to that. There is physical war, economic war, ideological war, emotional war.. its about domination. And when we convince ourselves we can dominate the other guy, we are also saying the other guy can dominate us if he is stronger, and that's ok, its how the "real world" works

I don't hold with that at all

War is Death, War is Destruction but ultimately War is Anti

And I have no intention of being Anti: I believe in the power of being Pro

so are you saying that you are ANTI ..war ( always a smart ass somewhere.....lol ) .......

i do understand where you are coming from and wish no HARM ......sadley those who sit in socalled jugdement have already taken sides and have placed themself above the LAW ........... everyday crime against the human kind takes place to the piont millions die for just a word from a few.....chemtrails, meds in the water , wavelengths, tv, because it,s slow and silent no one is taking much notice......same with the law they are slowly killing a fair system and replacing it with thier dictatorship.


THEY HAVE ALREADY CROSSED THE LINE ...............with greed and selfpitty and care not for thier fellow man and by our example of truth and fairness of heart we can stand strong .......... we can do just like john white and reclaim consent without harm (for now), but sadley we do not have the stick of control yet and those who hold it for the mean time will beat with it for they know no better ......
Reclaim consent and the stick will swink in size untill they have no stick ......

http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/...d=210156541153

http://www.blip.tv/?search=reclaim%20consent;s=search







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[john white]

i do understand where you are coming from and wish no HARM ......sadley those who sit in socalled jugdement have already taken sides and have placed themself above the LAW ........... everyday crime against the human kind takes place to the piont millions die for just a word from a few.....chemtrails, meds in the water , wavelengths, tv, because it,s slow and silent no one is taking much notice......same with the law they are slowly killing a fair system and replacing it with thier dictatorship.

Your right Malvern, in as much as the elites of the world are at War with the people... and it is, more than anything else, a War on the consciousness of the people first, their bodies second

Action is needed. We need to be sure our action starts with our consciousness before it includes our bodies

Throw our bodies at the machine, it will mince them. Its what it was made to do

[malvern]

MAXIM. An established principle or proposition. A principle of law universally admitted, as being just and consonant with reason.
2. Maxims in law are somewhat like axioms in geometry. 1 Bl. Com. 68. They are principles and authorities, and part of the general customs or common law of the land; and are of the same strength as acts of parliament, when the judges have determined what is a maxim; which belongs to the judges and not the jury. Terms do Ley; Doct. & Stud. Dial. 1, c. 8. Maxims of the law are holden for law, and all other cases that may be applied to them shall be taken for granted. 1 Inst. 11. 67; 4 Rep. See 1 Com. c. 68; Plowd. 27, b.
3. The application of the maxim to the case before the court, is generally the only difficulty. The true method of making the application is to ascertain how the maxim arose, and to consider whether the case to which it is applied is of the same character, or whether it is an exception to an apparently general rule.
4. The alterations of any of the maxims of the common law are dangerous. 2 Inst. 210. The following are some of the more important maxims.



link....http://api.ning.com/files/KliCZSBETY...Nfh/maxims.pdf



Argumentum á divisione est fortissimum in jure. An argument arising from a division is most powerful in law. 6 Co. 60.


Argumentum ab impossibili plurmum valet in lege. An argument deduced from authority great avails in law. Co. Litt. 92.

Conventio vincit legem. The agreement of the parties overcomes or prevails against the law. Story, Ag. See Dig. 16, 3, 1, 6.

Exempla illustrant non restringunt legem. Examples illustrate and do not restrict the law. Co. Litt. 24.

Facultas probationum non est angustanda. The faculty or right of offering proof is not to be narrowed. 4 Co. Inst. 279.




the link is well worth the look





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[wise haven]

Originally Posted by malvern

so are you saying that you are ANTI ..war ( always a smart ass somewhere.....lol ) .......

i do understand where you are coming from and wish no HARM ......sadley those who sit in socalled jugdement have already taken sides and have placed themself above the LAW ........... everyday crime against the human kind takes place to the piont millions die for just a word from a few.....chemtrails, meds in the water , wavelengths, tv, because it,s slow and silent no one is taking much notice......same with the law they are slowly killing a fair system and replacing it with thier dictatorship.


THEY HAVE ALREADY CROSSED THE LINE ...............with greed and selfpitty and care not for thier fellow man and by our example of truth and fairness of heart we can stand strong .......... we can do just like john white and reclaim consent without harm (for now), but sadley we do not have the stick of control yet and those who hold it for the mean time will beat with it for they know no better ......
Reclaim consent and the stick will swink in size untill they have no stick ......

http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/...d=210156541153

http://www.blip.tv/?search=reclaim%20consent;s=search







freedom is the grandchildren we are the caretakers

"Reclaim Consent" Yes!
Peaceful Non-co-operation - Yes!

Someone put it nicely when they said "Starve the Beast"

The article from the headlines page is also inspirational too - not only did they physically starve the beast (Police) they made them cold and wet.

Nice one Germany:

[wise haven]

@Malvern

You've probably got the Blacks law Dictionary - which you know has a load of Maxims in the back. Someone posted the Maxims on one of the Freeman sites - any idea where they are Mark?

[jiffy]

Sorry I know little about Common Law and the Freedom movement, but the day the Government illegally banished British Citizens from their Island (Diego Garcio) and leased it to the USA. All hope was lost and that was in 1966.

Please remember the highest court in this land found it to be illegal and ordered they should be repatriated.....Still they are little black (British)people

[wise haven]

Originally Posted by jiffy

Sorry I know little about Common Law and the Freedom movement, but the day the Government illegally banished British Citizens from their Island (Diego Garcio) and leased it to the USA. All hope was lost and that was in 1966.

Please remember the highest court in this land found it to be illegal and ordered they should be repatriated.....Still they are little black (British)people

This absolutely astounds me; mainly because it is unknown to most people but also because it is pure totalitarianism.......and nobody gives a hoot.
I believe this case was resurrected fairly recently but still got pushed under the carpet - Bastards

[whiterain]

even more worrying then about the lisbon treaty's inclusion of the possibility of capital punishment at times of war and civil unrest

[wise haven]

Originally Posted by whiterain

even more worrying then about the lisbon treaty's inclusion of the possibility of capital punishment at times of war and civil unrest

True - That is why I would urge people not to depend on EU Human rights law too much.
They use the word RIGHTS but they are really privileges as evidenced by the caveats and conditions they place on them.
Human rights are inherent to every human being. They cannot be given because they are already possessed. Governments can only recognise human rights not grant them as was done by the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
To take away a Human beings rights is to commit an act of aggression.
Of course you can always hand over your human rights in exchange for benefits and privileges - but I wouldn't advise it.
The EU gave you conditional privileges which it can withdraw at any point - I would urge you to investigate if and when you consented to this arrangement.

[malvern]

You've probably got the Blacks law Dictionary - which you know has a load of Maxims in the back. Someone posted the Maxims on one of the Freeman sites - any idea where they are Mark?

think they are somewhere in this thread




http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showt...ghlight=maxims



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[malvern]

Quote:
Originally Posted by jiffy
Sorry I know little about Common Law and the Freedom movement, but the day the Government illegally banished British Citizens from their Island (Diego Garcio) and leased it to the USA. All hope was lost and that was in 1966.

Please remember the highest court in this land found it to be illegal and ordered they should be repatriated.....Still they are little black (British)people

This absolutely astounds me; mainly because it is unknown to most people but also because it is pure totalitarianism.......and nobody gives a hoot.
I believe this case was resurrected fairly recently but still got pushed under the carpet - Bastards

they care not for any of us and will come as they please ................. while we sit back and watch our tv's and play our make beleave video games ..... the machine is working . seems only the very rich can play in the physical world and we pay ...


EVERY ONE must unite and stand together for they take from us all ......freeman , postman , policeman , nurse , mum or dad , son or daughter ...they keep taking



freedom is the grandchildren we are the caretakers

[wise haven]

Originally Posted by malvern

think they are somewhere in this thread




http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showt...ghlight=maxims



freedom is the grandchildren we are the caretakers

Cheers Mark.
Also good to know I am not going mad