FBI fail

ultima1 · 28-09-2010, 05:13 PM

Some questions for the FBI about thier failure to do some things. People still wonder why the 9/11 official story is questioned, this is part of the reason why.

http://www.historycommons.org/timeli..._look=penttbom

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“We don’t need to photograph all the plane parts, only unique airplane parts or something specific. Like the pilot’s yoke, or anything with part of a serial number on it. If we have to prove what kind of plane this was, the serial numbers will be what we need.”

Why do we still not have proof of what kind of plane it was?

Yet another fail on 9/11.

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The FBI interviews Eric Gill, a security guard at Dulles Airport who may have encountered some of the 9/11 hijackers attempting to access aircraft the night before 9/11 (see Around 8:15 p.m. September 10, 2001). Gill tells the FBI his story, but the FBI fails to show him a video it has found of the hijackers passing through an airport security checkpoint on 9/11, even though it is shown to all his colleagues, except the partner he was on duty with when he saw the hijackers.

Why is FBI afriad to show video of hijackers to security who saw them?

macgyver1968 · 28-09-2010, 05:36 PM

I'm just curious, Roger....what do you believe happened at the Pentagon?

1776 · 28-09-2010, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by macgyver1968

I'm just curious, Roger....what do you believe happened at the Pentagon?

Have you seen this Macgyver?

If not, you definitely should watch,

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

What do you think happened at the Pentagon?

Peace&Love
God bless

macgyver1968 · 28-09-2010, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 1776

Have you seen this Macgyver?

If not, you definitely should watch,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iILS5ssDMW4

What do you think happened at the Pentagon?

Peace&Love
God bless

Y'all know what I believe...a terrorist flown 757 hit the building...I'm asking Roger what he believes. There are several different competing theories in the Truth Movement on what exactly happened. Some believe it was a missile, others believe that the plane did a "flyover"...others believe nothing hit the Pentagon, and it was only explosives. Just asking Roger to clarify what he believes happened that day.

dude111 · 28-09-2010, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by macgyver1968

what do you believe happened at the Pentagon?

Nothing @ all like what THEY SAID HAPPENEND!!

ultima1 · 28-09-2010, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by macgyver1968

I'm just curious, Roger....what do you believe happened at the Pentagon?

I do not know, most of the evidence and officil reports have not been released. Thats why i keep doing research and filing FOIA requests.

But i do know that the nose of airliner did not penetrate through to the 3rd ring as the official story states.

lobuk · 28-09-2010, 06:26 PM

This is something that all debunkers try and do.

They try and get people who disagree with the official fairy tale to actually speculate and say what they think happened. That way, it allows the person to then be counter attacked or debunked on their own personal beliefs.

There is no getting away from the fact that the Official Story is a Fabricated Fairy Tale full of many Lies, Impossibilities, Inconsistencies and Cover-up's.

We wont know what really happened until there is a new Real Unbiased Independent Investigation.

macgyver1968 · 28-09-2010, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ultima1

I do not know, most of the evidence and officil reports have not been released. Thats why i keep doing research and filing FOIA requests.

But i do know that the nose of airliner did not penetrate through to the 3rd ring as the official story states.

Ok..that's cool. I wasn't sure what your opinion was. I addressed the nose thing in the other thread.

ultima1 · 28-09-2010, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by macgyver1968

I addressed the nose thing in the other thread.

I answered the nose thing on the other thread.

macgyver1968 · 28-09-2010, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by lobuk

This is something that all debunkers try and do.

They try and get people who disagree with the official fairy tale to actually speculate and say what they think happened. That way, it allows the person to then be counter attacked or debunked on their own personal beliefs.

There is no getting away from the fact that the Official Story is a Fabricated Fairy Tale full of many Lies, Impossibilities, Inconsistencies and Cover-up's.

We wont know what really happened until there is a new Real Unbiased Independent Investigation.

IMHO, it's a reasonable question. How can you debate someone if you don't know what their position is? If someone states "X" didn't happen, it's only reasonable to ask "if X didn't happen, then what did?"

ultima1 · 28-09-2010, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by macgyver1968

IMHO, it's a reasonable question. How can you debate someone if you don't know what their position is? If someone states "X" didn't happen, it's only reasonable to ask "if X didn't happen, then what did?"

Problem is that poeple that beleive the official story will not give thier position, how they came to believe what they believe.

If you aks them to prove anything you get the old line that they do not have to prove anything.

1776 · 28-09-2010, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by macgyver1968

Y'all know what I believe...a terrorist flown 757 hit the building...I'm asking Roger what he believes. There are several different competing theories in the Truth Movement on what exactly happened. Some believe it was a missile, others believe that the plane did a "flyover"...others believe nothing hit the Pentagon, and it was only explosives. Just asking Roger to clarify what he believes happened that day.

O Da Terra-rists hit da buildinz on 9/11, did ya hear dat Pa' ?

It was da brown man from the Middle East, Osama Bin Laden and Al`CIA`Duh!

Please.....

How can you even think that amateur terrorists (who knew not how to fly airplanes, let alone FULL-SIZE Boeing Jets) actually went 2 for 2, and managed to squeeze through NORADs (and the other centralized HQ's of radar and communications stations we have ALL throughout the continental United States and Canada, yes Canada) defense system?

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

This was ALLOWED to happen. No one stopped it - no one was AUTHORIZED to stop it. NORAD was TOLD to STAND DOWN that morning!! Why do you think that is? Why do you think our own Government & agencies were running MOCK DRILLS or simulations that morning MIRRORING the actual "events" happening that very moment?

http://www.oilempire.us/wargames.html

This was also practiced in advance you see,

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

ORDO AB CHAO - Order out of Chaos

The motto of the 33rd Degree of Freemasonry - The End Justifies the Means

Secret Societies behind all the power structures (media, government, the alphabet gangs, and all military orders, et al.) involved with 9/11 carried out this heinous black ops false flag! In fact, it was a SATANIC RITUAL, believe it or not!!! You don't have to believe in magick or rituals, but the people behind all the power structures in this world DO! This is a a fact!

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

This was planned YEARS and YEARS in advance! Have you ever looked at the PNAC report written during the Clinton administration?

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

How can you honestly think to yourself that 'muslim extremists' were behind 9/11? (whether you believe planes hit the buildings or not)

lobuk · 28-09-2010, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by macgyver1968

IMHO, it's a reasonable question. How can you debate someone if you don't know what their position is? If someone states "X" didn't happen, it's only reasonable to ask "if X didn't happen, then what did?"

Yep, it is a reasonable question aslong as it isnt used against a person as what often happens to people.

But yeah to be fair, on a Forum like this, yeah i suppose your right and it really doesnt matter because none of us are experts anyway LoL.

I have loads of opinions many of which may be completely wrong.

The only important thing for me is the fact that the Official Story is a blatent Fabrication and i just want to see a new investigation.

My "Opinion" on the pentagon is that it may have been a missile and there is also evidence of a plane seen although on a different approach than the official story and it was also seen after the explosion so maybe a decoy to support the narrative or maybe it even fired the missile. Of course, this view could be completely wrong and i will change my view anytime if i feel the evidence requires it to.

Who knows for sure presently eh.

macgyver1968 · 28-09-2010, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ultima1

Problem is that poeple that beleive the official story will not give thier position, how they came to believe what they believe.

If you aks them to prove anything you get the old line that they do not have to prove anything.

First off...don't lump everyone into one basket. I don't do it with "Truthers", I would ask you don't do it with me.

We don't give our position? I just did in this thread! (the short and sweet version). I have also, in another thread, stated in detail how I came to my position. So that statement is categorically wrong. Nor have I ever stated that I didn't need to prove anything. You are putting words in people's mouths again.

ultima1 · 28-09-2010, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by macgyver1968

First off...don't lump everyone into one basket. I don't do it with "Truthers", I would ask you don't do it with me.

Well i will change it to 99 put of 100.

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We don't give our position? I just did in this thread! (the short and sweet version). I have also, in another thread, stated in detail how I came to my position. So that statement is categorically wrong. .

Should i post all the people that stated they did not need to show proof, only the people who question the official story, it will probly take a page or 2.

But i am glad that at least one person will show thier postion, i give you lots of credit.

macgyver1968 · 28-09-2010, 07:21 PM

Group hug!!!

j/k

ultima1 · 28-09-2010, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by macgyver1968

Group hug!!!

j/k

AAHH isn't that nice.

So can you show the research you have done, FOIA requsts and e-mails sent?

I can show some of my research, FOIA requests and e-mails.

macgyver1968 · 28-09-2010, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ultima1

AAHH isn't that nice.

So can you show the research you have done, FOIA requsts and e-mails sent?

I can show some of my research, FOIA requests and e-mails.

My research comes from looking up countless bits of information over the 2 1/2 years or so of discussing 9/11...there's really no way for me to "show" this...unless you want me to post my browsing history from the last 2 years.

(why are there so many entries from "LargeBreastedNakedWomen.com?"

) There's really no reason for me to send FOIA requests or send emails to people, because I'm satisfied with the information that I have already found. You would only do that if you have unanswered questions, like yourself.

lobuk · 28-09-2010, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by macgyver1968

My research comes from looking up countless bits of information over the 2 1/2 years or so of discussing 9/11...there's really no way for me to "show" this...unless you want me to post my browsing history from the last 2 years.

(why are there so many entries from "LargeBreastedNakedWomen.com?"

) There's really no reason for me to send FOIA requests or send emails to people, because I'm satisfied with the information that I have already found. You would only do that if you have unanswered questions, like yourself.

Thing is my friend, you are one of the few Official Story believers that doesnt treat everyone that doesnt believe the Official Story as Crack Pots that should be insulted and ridiculed. You have seen this yourself on this forum many times, especially recently i am sure. I respect you for that.

The attitude from some people is insane. It plays right into TPTB hands.

We are all in this together and we should all get along with eachother regardless of differences.

It should be in everyones interests to be told the truth no matter what. Everyone is a Truther. Everyone wants to know the Truth about everything. Nobody wants to be Lied to. Yet TPTB have demonized the term "Truther" to mean domestic terrorist or nut case or crackpot etc. Worse thing is, the debunkers do the same thing. How controlled does that make them? It is different when you look at it like that isnt it LoL.

It is a fact that many Official Story believers very rarely view any other evidence provided by anyone except MSM and even when they do, they view it with an already biased mindset and they very rarely back up anything they say themselves with evidence. That is what you call being a repeater and stuck in a belief system which is exactly what TPTB want as it never leads to the truth and steers people away from them.

The fact of the matter is that the official story is a conspiracy theory that is full of inconsistencies and impossibilities and Lies no matter what anyone says.

We owe it to the victims, victims families and ourselves to ensure the real truth is told no matter what that may be. If the truth isnt exposed, then history will repeat itself as it always has and does.

Sermon Over.

ultima1 · 29-09-2010, 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by macgyver1968

There's really no reason for me to send FOIA requests or send emails to people, because I'm satisfied with the information that I have already found.

I have done over 5 years of research, sent FOIA request and e-mailed companies to get the facts.

What information have you found and where did you find it? What sites do you like to use, any research sites?

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You would only do that if you have unanswered questions

Well there are a lot of unanswered questions. You have to look at the fact that a majority of the evidence and FBI crime scene reports have not been released so that leaves a lot of unanswered questions.

I have a FOIA request to get an unclassified version of a government document that states at least one plane was intecepted on 9/11, this debates the 9/11 commission report that states that none of the 9/11 planes were intercepted.

I have sent e-mails to contractors that were at ground zero to get information.

28-09-2010, 06:26 PM	#7
lobuk Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 7,772	This is something that all debunkers try and do. They try and get people who disagree with the official fairy tale to actually speculate and say what they think happened. That way, it allows the person to then be counter attacked or debunked on their own personal beliefs. There is no getting away from the fact that the Official Story is a Fabricated Fairy Tale full of many Lies, Impossibilities, Inconsistencies and Cover-up's. We wont know what really happened until there is a new Real Unbiased Independent Investigation. __________________ Does it look to you like Time is speeding up? Now we know for sure its not. Creation is speeding up. There's more and more happening in less and less Time and that has been the pattern for 16.4 Billion Years - Ian Xel Lungold (RIP) Last edited by lobuk; 28-09-2010 at 06:28 PM.

28-09-2010, 05:36 PM	#2
macgyver1968 Banned Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 1,751	I'm just curious, Roger....what do you believe happened at the Pentagon?

28-09-2010, 07:21 PM	#16
macgyver1968 Banned Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 1,751	Group hug!!! j/k