British and Irish "The worst off in europe"

[wez004]

you try making spotted dick and custard for one hundred and fifty men under heavy artillery fire.

[dangermouse]

Originally Posted by fratoue

Are you sure you're talking about Ireland??. Ireland is totally becoming a Nanny state more laws are being passed every year for petty fines and with the recession more and more are going to join the Gardai as it's a stable job hungry to get as many fines on folk as possible. TV licences, fishing licences, bin tax, CCTV everywhere and reserve Gardai, I could go on.

Reasonable cost of living? Ireland is absurdly over-priced I know Cork isn't as bad as Dublin but it's still very expensive and Cork folk are a pain in the arse anyway so whats the point in moving there to save a few shilling?.

Ireland is not hard to beat as a country any of the Scandanavian countries IMO are better and so is Holland.

I can't understand how you see this country through rose coloured glasses with these imbeciles of FF/Greens in government selling us out to the Bilderberg/EU Elite everyday?

come on now if it wasn't for the likes of the cork men like Tom Barry or Michael Collins Ireland would be in the same shit as the UK .. The other assholes like Eamon De Valera sold out whats left and the same cunts are in power now ..

[jesuitsdidit]

britain is being destroyed from within even while it leads the movement towards the NWO
punishment for being a leader in the Reformation.

edit-
just a small example
in France there is
NO chlorine in water
NO chemtrails
and sufficient awareness of BpA that a major supermarket is forced to announce its till receipts do not contain BpA

and it may interest you to know that when i moved to Bournemouth in 2008 there was no chlorine in the water
within 6 months, there was.

[butters]

Originally Posted by andyh

Well....it's not true for everyone and every situation.
Some countries may suit certain people more than others.

For example, if you're like me, married with a wife and kids and you want peace,quite, lots of space, no nanny state intervention and affordable large housing with temperate climate and reasonable living costs and wage etc, then Ireland is actually very hard to beat. There's also hardly any chavs/yobs here either which makes a hell of a difference.
Theres a lot of whining and moaning going on after the recession for sure but I'm a world apart from the life I had in the UK.
I would certainly agree the UK is one of the worst places to live in Europe but just you try Estonia,Latvia,Poland etc, life sucks there in a big way, even more so in Russia of course or China lol.
The eastern EU states are "on the up" so to speak but they still have a long way to go.

It's all about common sense really and what best applies to your own situation, what skills you have/experience to earn money and where those jobs are and how much housing and travel costs yadda yadda.
There's a hell of a lot more to it than these surveys can manage and I've no doubt I could probably turn out something more accurate and reflective on my own given a year and travel expenses....so how about it yougov?

When I was a young lad I would probably have thrived in one of the upcoming eastern EU states or no doubt in the middle east but it no longer applies to me any more for example, so give it some thought

We've had a few interesting discussions about "where the grass is greener" a few times on this forum and I discovered some interesting stuff- particularly about switzerland from hadabusa which was great to see. I haven't been there since I was a nipper and all I can remember is the lovely countryside and amazing hot chocolate

thats a very ignorant view.
i live in latvia and its the complete opposite of the u.k or ireland

costs are lower, if you have a demand that meets a supply you can live reasonably. In the u.k i found it full of waste, over inflated prices and the women there were below par.

[the apprentice]

Originally Posted by butters

thats a very ignorant view.
i live in latvia and its the complete opposite of the u.k or ireland

costs are lower, if you have a demand that meets a supply you can live reasonably. In the u.k i found it full of waste, over inflated prices and the women there were below par.

Hi Butters

Does Latvia still have much of its traditional life skills to get what they need, if so this is what will save very many from what lies ahead, here is the way out of debt, together with a real thinking women life could be much easier.

I find it so sad that many today are simply ignoring the inevitable, and all those mothers who have cherished sons are never going to see them grow up and die before their time for an illusion.

Night and day.

[302bluefog]

Originally Posted by the apprentice

Hi Butters

Does Latvia still have much of its traditional life skills to get what they need, if so this is what will save very many from what lies ahead, here is the way out of debt, together with a real thinking women life could be much easier.

I find it so sad that many today are simply ignoring the inevitable, and all those mothers who have cherished sons are never going to see them grow up and die before their time for an illusion.

Night and day.

What lies ahead?

[the apprentice]

Originally Posted by 302bluefog

What lies ahead?

When those empty cities start to fill with workers the real long term drought will begin in earnest, most will loose all forsight and buy further into the ullusion.

[butters]

Originally Posted by the apprentice

Hi Butters

Does Latvia still have much of its traditional life skills to get what they need, if so this is what will save very many from what lies ahead, here is the way out of debt, together with a real thinking women life could be much easier.

I find it so sad that many today are simply ignoring the inevitable, and all those mothers who have cherished sons are never going to see them grow up and die before their time for an illusion.

Night and day.

the mentality is very different, sure there have been some bad economic situations but in riga, businesses are expanding very slowly and if you have a demand then your working. I know this applies to any location, but i find the outlook and behaviour towards employment here so very different to the u.k and they do have the skills to get what they need.

sure when the inevitable comes, everyone is going to have to deal with it, possibly sooner rather than later.

[grayphil]

[QUOTE=butters;1060820308]the mentality is very different, sure there have been some bad economic situations but in riga, businesses are expanding very slowly and if you have a demand then your working. I know this applies to any location, but i find the outlook and behaviour towards employment here so very different to the u.k and they do have the skills to get what they need.


Im also a brit who has moved to Latvia, I moved about three years ago, I live in Leipaja, I moved here because i could see that Britain really is an over priced shit hole, (or at least the part where I was living)

I think that Latvia has much more of a future than the UK. It seems to have hit rock bottom around 2007/8 and is slowly working its way back to health, unlike the UK which still hasnt properly had the crash it needs in order to reset its economy

[mmac900]

Originally Posted by butters

thats a very ignorant view.
i live in latvia and its the complete opposite of the u.k or ireland

costs are lower, if you have a demand that meets a supply you can live reasonably. In the u.k i found it full of waste, over inflated prices and the women there were below par.

Im from poland and now live in the uk, have also lived in the us for 10 years prior to moving here 1.5 years ago. I can tell you from experience of living in Poland for 11 years, as well as visiting it twice last year that the situation in eastern europe is not better then uk at all. Sure, on paper, the economies are growing more then western countries, but in reality, unemployment is a lot higher, and cost of living is higher compared to the wages you get. So its not all roses as the latvian dude claims. And dont even get me started on the us, its even worse there then uk.

[butters]

[quote=grayphil;1060820336]

Originally Posted by butters

the mentality is very different, sure there have been some bad economic situations but in riga, businesses are expanding very slowly and if you have a demand then your working. I know this applies to any location, but i find the outlook and behaviour towards employment here so very different to the u.k and they do have the skills to get what they need.


Im also a brit who has moved to Latvia, I moved about three years ago, I live in Leipaja, I moved here because i could see that Britain really is an over priced shit hole, (or at least the part where I was living)

I think that Latvia has much more of a future than the UK. It seems to have hit rock bottom around 2007/8 and is slowly working its way back to health, unlike the UK which still hasnt properly had the crash it needs in order to reset its economy

the immigrants who go to the u.k have access to a wide variety of benefits and in turn makes their transition easier. Taxes are higher and the housing market and rental yields in specific areas are repartee.

The wages are not in line with expenditure in regards to costs of living, the property values are not in correlation with salaries and annual annuities are ever increasing.

[butters]

Originally Posted by mmac900

Im from poland and now live in the uk, have also lived in the us for 10 years prior to moving here 1.5 years ago. I can tell you from experience of living in Poland for 11 years, as well as visiting it twice last year that the situation in eastern europe is not better then uk at all. Sure, on paper, the economies are growing more then western countries, but in reality, unemployment is a lot higher, and cost of living is higher compared to the wages you get. So its not all roses as the latvian dude claims. And dont even get me started on the us, its even worse there then uk.

which countries within the european union have you resided in to make this comparison?

having moved from the u.k to riga theres a major difference as discussed in a prior post.

The majority of polish people are hard working, whilst others claim welfare so what they get is an improvement to their native countries. But take into consideration the living conditions, i.e. the areas where a majority of immigrants live are terrible and thats not a sweeping generalised statement as i speak from experience living within these areas.

but best of luck and future success in your endevours within your new host country.

[the apprentice]

Originally Posted by mmac900

Im from poland and now live in the uk, have also lived in the us for 10 years prior to moving here 1.5 years ago. I can tell you from experience of living in Poland for 11 years, as well as visiting it twice last year that the situation in eastern europe is not better then uk at all. Sure, on paper, the economies are growing more then western countries, but in reality, unemployment is a lot higher, and cost of living is higher compared to the wages you get. So its not all roses as the latvian dude claims. And dont even get me started on the us, its even worse there then uk.

Each country will be in the same situation, what the elite are doing is taking all debt based and tainted populations under the banner and slowly withdrawing the illusion.

This creates a wealth by debt vaccum and further shortages right across the and by now Babel Label, where people have also lost their skills base and alternative to another avenue of making ends meet.

This model will continue until such time the credit monster is unleashed and the digital gain starts flowing again, by then the growing nations will be demanding a decent wage as happened in Europe and the real competition will begin on the basis of debt once again.

Take it as you may find the next two decades, it will come to pass, at least get as many alternatives and skills then it won't hurt as much.

[302bluefog]

Originally Posted by mmac900

Im from poland and now live in the uk, have also lived in the us for 10 years prior to moving here 1.5 years ago. I can tell you from experience of living in Poland for 11 years, as well as visiting it twice last year that the situation in eastern europe is not better then uk at all. Sure, on paper, the economies are growing more then western countries, but in reality, unemployment is a lot higher, and cost of living is higher compared to the wages you get. So its not all roses as the latvian dude claims. And dont even get me started on the us, its even worse there then uk.

Where in the U.S did you live?

[mmac900]

Originally Posted by 302bluefog

Where in the U.S did you live?

Chicago, up until the end of 2010. My mom is a real estate agent there and its unbelievable how many houses are being stolen by banks from people. She only sells reposessed houses nowadays because almost all of them are! She used to sell 4-5 houses a month and make a killing, now if she sells 1 a month its a success.

The economy in america is probablly one of the worst in the world atm, 50 million people on food stamps ffs. And unemployment is way higher then the gov says too.

[mmac900]

Originally Posted by butters

which countries within the european union have you resided in to make this comparison?

having moved from the u.k to riga theres a major difference as discussed in a prior post.

The majority of polish people are hard working, whilst others claim welfare so what they get is an improvement to their native countries. But take into consideration the living conditions, i.e. the areas where a majority of immigrants live are terrible and thats not a sweeping generalised statement as i speak from experience living within these areas.

but best of luck and future success in your endevours within your new host country.

Cheers

I live in a modern but small 1 bed flat with my partner atm, have a part time job and get housing, while getting a degree from open uni in business so i can actually get a good job in the future.

[grayphil]

[quote=butters;1060820373]

Originally Posted by grayphil

The wages are not in line with expenditure in regards to costs of living, the property values are not in correlation with salaries and annual annuities are ever increasing.

I understand what you saying with prices regarding local wages, I do think that the prices are still scewed by money from outside the country coming in, for example russians buying propertties in order to obtain Schengen Visas Etc, but for buying a place in the country the prices are very reasonable IMHO.

do you work in Latvia or work abroad and return there for a few months each year?? (myself the former)

[butters]

[quote=grayphil;1060820748]

Originally Posted by butters

I understand what you saying with prices regarding local wages, I do think that the prices are still scewed by money from outside the country coming in, for example russians buying propertties in order to obtain Schengen Visas Etc, but for buying a place in the country the prices are very reasonable IMHO.

do you work in Latvia or work abroad and return there for a few months each year?? (myself the former)

yes i've noticed that building or purchasing a property in the countryside and village areas with acres of land is so cheap in comparison to the u.k i had to ask the reality agent at least 3 times if the price was correct.

i work and live in riga and seldom visit the u.k only for business purposes.

[grayphil]

[quote=butters;1060820763]

Originally Posted by grayphil

yes i've noticed that building or purchasing a property in the countryside and village areas with acres of land is so cheap in comparison to the u.k i had to ask the reality agent at least 3 times if the price was correct.

i work and live in riga and seldom visit the u.k only for business purposes.

i noticed this straight away from SSLV

we bought a farm and are looking for more land around the same area because I dont think it will always be this price, but I do know I could never afford to do what im doing now in the UK,

ive heard there are a few UK expats in Latvia, didnt think id meet one on the DI forum!

[butters]

[quote=grayphil;1060821302]

Originally Posted by butters

i noticed this straight away from SSLV

we bought a farm and are looking for more land around the same area because I dont think it will always be this price, but I do know I could never afford to do what im doing now in the UK,

ive heard there are a few UK expats in Latvia, didnt think id meet one on the DI forum!

i've come across a few and its a pleasant reprieve to meet a fellow expat.

we must arrange to meet for few beers.