British and Irish "The worst off in europe"

[andyh]

Originally Posted by rydeon

+1

I live in Ireland for part of the year and all what you say is true. It's cheaper in the UK for things than it is in Ireland now. The EUs boom years for Eire have created an artificial rise in prices. Now the businesses don't want to drop it back down again.
Also it's gotten bad for burning your own rubbish now in the countryside on your own land!
They send out the helicopter to look for smoke with specialised lenses that can 'tell' if it's 'non-vegetation'!

Prices are higher for most stuff by about 10% by my reckoning.
That said, the wages are a fair bit more than 10% higher, there is no council tax, even welfare paymemts are way higher than the UK. Not just 10% higher but around twice as much as the UK.
I burn rubbish all the time btw. Haven't seen any helicopters or had any hassle at all.
That said I don't live anywhere near Dublin...or any other town for that matter lol.

[jiffy]

As someone that has both Italian roots (Mine) and Spanish (wife) to me it is pretty evident why the British are so unhappy.

Lack of Family values, Materialism, Successive right wing Neo-Liberal Governments.
I always wonder why on earth this country embraces the unhappiest country in the world (American) and completely disregards some of the happiest (European neighbours)

[refusetoconsent]

Originally Posted by ragnarok

Just because we have a bit of sea between us and the mainland, it doesn't make us any less European. Anyone who sees our future as being independent of other nations, is living in a fucking fantasy land.

We were independent and sovereign for many generations, freely trading with whom we wished, self determination a corner stone of national identity.

How has that manifested into a manufactured lie that we cannot survive on our own, and need rule from a foreign unelected unaccountable regime?

I have to say i am suprised you are shilling for the FOURTH REICH.

[ragnarok]

Originally Posted by refusetoconsent

We were independent and sovereign for many generations, freely trading with whom we wished, self determination a corner stone of national identity.

There is no National Identity, except for people who are interested in establishing such a thing. I was born in the same nation as you( I think. you are from the UK, aren't you?), have spent 48 yrs here, and have completely opposite views to you. Why is your idea of national identity more relevant than mine, again? Oh, that's it...it's because I don't give a fuck about National Identity. I'm more interested in individuals and how they act towards me.

[refusetoconsent]

Originally Posted by ragnarok

There is no National Identity, except for people who are interested in establishing such a thing. I was born in the same nation as you( I think. you are from the UK, aren't you?), have spent 48 yrs here, and have completely opposite views to you. Why is your idea of national identity more relevant than mine, again? Oh, that's it...it's because I don't give a fuck about National Identity. I'm more interested in individuals and how they act towards me.

Yes, i am english, and have been all my life.

I also know people who dont care even if we ditched the flag and just became a eu region.
The issue of collective identity is very important for how we see ourselves as a collection of individuals, but perhaps more revealing is if national identity is so unimportant, then why is so important we all adopt a EU identity.
Surely if been English is isolating yourself from the global family, surely been european achieves the same isolation.

[wake_up_bomb]

Lack of Family values, Materialism, Successive right wing Neo-Liberal Governments.

I'm not sure I agree with you about family values, but you certainly put the right word, materialism, in bold. I think, actually, the majority of people in Britain still aspire to be in a family group, and still think to be so is the natural state of human-beings (personally, I'm not convinced). Trust me, as an unmarried 34 year-old, older women in particular worry about me because I'm not 'settled down', as everyone should be by my age.

I think actually what causes huge problems in Britain is what you have suggested, materialism. I think it completely warps all our other values, and has lead to a very greedy, selfish and shallow society. There is an obsession with shopping and housing ladders and cars that is deeply unnatural. Most importantly, it has lead to people becoming very atomised from each other. There is precisely zero sense of community spirit left in England. I can't really compare with other nations, and I'm sure this is far from a unique phenomenon, but it does seem particularly bad here.

[ragnarok]

Originally Posted by refusetoconsent

Yes, i am english, and have been all my life.

You mean english like, you live in the countryside, chase foxes on horseback, play a bit of cricket on a Sunday, and enjoy fish and chips on a Friday?

That sort of english?

Originally Posted by refusetoconsent

Surely if being English is isolating yourself from the global family, surely being european achieves the same isolation.

How does that work then? I'd have thought trying to identify yourself with a wider group of peoples would be less isolating than just having an "English Only
gang?

[bradstone]

Originally Posted by andyh

Actually not only do they speak English but they can now probably manage it better than your average Brit.

Why the hell do people say things like this?

Many Icelanders are thick as shit. They speak English quite well, sure, but they worship American mass culture more than almost any other nation on the planet, and love Barack Obama.

I don't know any 'British' people who literally think Obama is the best thing since sliced bread, because he's like a character from a US soap opera. We're not all as thick as everybody makes us out to be, funnily enough.

[andyh]

Originally Posted by bradstone

Why the hell do people say things like this?

Many Icelanders are thick as shit. They speak English quite well, sure, but they worship American mass culture more than almost any other nation on the planet, and love Barack Obama.

I don't know any 'British' people who literally think Obama is the best thing is sliced bread, because he's like a character from a US soap opera. We're not all as thick as everybody makes us out to be, funnily enough.

I chat with quite a few and used to work with them regularly.
Had no issues tbh.

It's "since sliced bread" btw

[bradstone]

Originally Posted by andyh

I chat with quite a few and used to work with them regularly.
Had no issues tbh.

It's "since sliced bread" btw

Yes, that was a typo rather than a spelling mistake - I corrected it before you entered your reply.

I live in a Nordic country and I assure you people are quite misguided when they kiss Nordic ass. The English, Scottish and Irish, at home and abroad, are much more intelligent than their own governments would even want them to think. It's funny how popular culture reinforces this.

I think it's because people find Scandinavians good looking and want to have sex with them, so they end up assigning them all sorts of superhuman qualities which the majority of them quite simply don't have.

[jiffy]

Originally Posted by wake_up_bomb

I'm not sure I agree with you about family values, but you certainly put the right word, materialism, in bold. I think, actually, the majority of people in Britain still aspire to be in a family group, and still think to be so is the natural state of human-beings (personally, I'm not convinced). Trust me, as an unmarried 34 year-old, older women in particular worry about me because I'm not 'settled down', as everyone should be by my age.

I think actually what causes huge problems in Britain is what you have suggested, materialism. I think it completely warps all our other values, and has lead to a very greedy, selfish and shallow society. There is an obsession with shopping and housing ladders and cars that is deeply unnatural. Most importantly, it has lead to people becoming very atomised from each other. There is precisely zero sense of community spirit left in England. I can't really compare with other nations, and I'm sure this is far from a unique phenomenon, but it does seem particularly bad here.

I agree,

Family values can be interpreted how you wish.
I believe you can't have a cohesive society without the extended family unit being intact. The youth and elderly in the UK hardly ever mix.
This not only creates fear on both sides, but deprives the young of years of wisdom.

This country, both Governmentally and Socially treats it's eldest and youngest deplorably.

It strikes me, the average Joe just wants to throw their parents into a home, then is quiet happy to take their inheritance

[pali_gap]

Originally Posted by ragnarok

How does that work then? I'd have thought trying to identify yourself with a wider group of peoples would be less isolating than just having an "English Only
gang?

EU is a fantastic idea but it seams that nationalist of every EU country are set on destroying it.

[bendoon]

When a Government (both Labour and Tory) purposely trashes whole generations of its own people by bringing in cheap Labour from overseas to replace them who can be surprised that the country turns to crap.

[stopthemadness]

This is the reason why Ireland has gone to crap:

http://iamthewitness.com/audio/David...11-25-2010.mp3

[sparkplug]

The UK has it's problems but it's still a good place to live. People need to chill a bit and the government really need to stop screwing it's people over.

The New Labour lot really turned the screw on the working class and stuck it up them.

Our weather being shit doesn't help either.

[the apprentice]

Originally Posted by lesleypumpshaft

Can you please explian what the 12 day rule is?

Sorry for the delay I don't get on here as often as I would like to,

The 12 day rule is a series of experiments we did as soldiers in many different place throughout the world, from hot to cold climates,

We found that in times of real hardship where regular daily nourishment was halted, IE 1500 - 2000 calories per day for an active person, IE working or highly mobile, were taken to the bare minimums of around 500 calories for such a person, 12 days was the upper limit before those person/s started to waine and were less mentally active in search of food.

And each dat thereafter would loose 30% of their ability to make up the differences in calorific benefit.

In the miners plight in South America recently, where the men were kept aliive for so much time on only a couple of mouth fulls of tuna fish, so as to stop their bodies from eating themselves, you will spot the real fears of lack of food and water combined with warmth and protection.

Then take into consideration that they had plenty of water and were quite warm, and the saying that my Grandfather once taught us, IE, Heat is half meat, aiding their longevity underground.

It is a matter of fact that the tests we did were done under strict control on exercise by trained medics of which I was one myself and all details were recorded, I can tell you the 12 day rule in our case is real and not a joking matter.

These tests were done on very fit men in their prime, in more difficult climates on the extremes younger or frail older people would succumb much faster to the said ellements, in some cases in as little as 24 hours.

If you have a scout group near you, maybe you might want to ask the leaders of such a group what the time limits of children would be, or contact Mr Mears for confirmation on such matters.

Hope that helps .

[the apprentice]

Originally Posted by sparkplug

The UK has it's problems but it's still a good place to live. People need to chill a bit and the government really need to stop screwing it's people over.

The New Labour lot really turned the screw on the working class and stuck it up them.

Our weather being shit doesn't help either.

At the moment you are right about it being a good place to live in the UK, but lets look at where we all live.

If its behind the privalige of a gated community or a council high rise in the middle of the moss side we know the answers sure enough, then try a street somewhere in Zimbabwe.

A government who is paid and funded by a seperate entity hell bent on a one world everything is never going to do anything for itself, a government where the people is power know not what it is to struggle, who have vested bachground activities in other places will never do that, and will take you into the mountain side with an exit.

Stuck it to them is a non starter because if we walk upon anyones childerick we enevitably walk upon our own, no mayyer what class factor is entered into.

Now we are seeing the fruits of ours and others slave labour coming into view not a new world order but a very very old one indeed, where we know not what we do but the TV tells us, what and when we want it.

A few stats, for every blow in with or without the qualifications, 8 jobs are headed to the slave labour areas of this world, where there are reall working classes doing for all those cheapness nicities we all worrship.

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[refusetoconsent]

Originally Posted by refusetoconsent

I have to say i am suprised you are shilling for the FOURTH REICH.

my suprise has now turned to concern.
Fight your programming rags, resist the dark side.

[dollanaqua]

Originally Posted by jiffy

As someone that has both Italian roots (Mine) and Spanish (wife) to me it is pretty evident why the British are so unhappy.

Lack of Family values, Materialism, Successive right wing Neo-Liberal Governments.
I always wonder why on earth this country embraces the unhappiest country in the world (American) and completely disregards some of the happiest (European neighbours)

I cannot disagree with anything at all said above.

[positive_forward]

Originally Posted by andyh

Average wage for the Irish IT pro is roughly €36k - €40k and it's more than enough to get by.

Yes, but there's many millions who will never earn that kind of money. For example compare that to minimum wage.