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Old 13-09-2010, 11:09 PM   #1
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Question Star and Crescent Moon

A star (or stars) and crescent featuring in some combination form the basis of symbols widely found across the ancient world, with examples attested from the Eastern Mediterranean and Central Asia. Today it is most widely recognized as a symbol of Islam, or the Muslim community.

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The star and crescent appear in combination in finds from in and around ancient Israel. It has been associated with the Moabites (14th or early 13th – 6th century BC), as the symbol or symbols appear on what are thought to be Moabite name seals. Crescents appearing together with a star or stars are a common feature of Sumerian iconography, the crescent usually being associated with the moon god Sin and the star (often identified as Venus) with Ishtar. However, in this context, there is a third element often seen, that being the sun disk of Shamash. Academic discussion of a star or stars together with crescents in Sumerian representations does not always clearly indicate if they appear in isolation (the "star and crescent" as such) or as part of a triad of symbols, "the three celestial emblems, the sun disk of Samas, the crescent of Sin, and the star of Istar" or "the crescent of Sin (the moon god), the star of Ishtar and the ray of Shamash". Nevertheless, later use of the star and crescent by the Parthians, and other Iranian dynasties is often traced to earlier use in Mesopotamia. As one scholar observed, "[t]he Parthian king Mithradates I conquered Mesopotamia around 147 BC, and Susa in about 140 BC A later Parthian king, Orodes II (58-38 BC), issued coins at Susa and elsewhere which display a star and crescent on the obverse. The succeeding ruler, Phraates IV (38-3/2 BC), minted coins showing either a star alone or a star with crescent moon. In representing the star and crescent on their coins the Parthians thus adopted traditional symbols used in Mesopotamia and Elam more than two millennia before their own arrival in those parts." Along these lines, some scholars maintain that later use of the symbol arose from Babylonian mythology in which the juxtaposition of Sin (moon god, father of time) and Shamash (supreme ruling sun god, judge of heaven and earth) was a metaphor for the cosmic powers given to the Babylonian king to rule.


Enlil’s family was given the Sinai (taken away from Ninharsag) and Enlil’s son, Sin, was its new ruler. His symbol is the crescent moon (which became the symbol for Islam).


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King Melishipak I (1186–1172 B.C.E.) presents his daughter. The crescent moon represents Sîn, while the sun and star represent Shamash and Ishtar.

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The Moon behind the crescent symbol of a mosque. Nakhchivan, Azerbaijan

The Fertile Crescent was a crescent shaped fertile area of land between Ancient Mesopotamia and Ancient Egypt.

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The moon and star is NOT the symbol of Islam. Islam has no symbol. It may be "associated" with Islam, but it has no thing to do with Islam, it is an innovation and a misguidance.
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(7 Stars) (Crecent Moon) most likely 7 Sisters of the Sky aka Constellation "Pleiades"
Bacchus Bakkikos as Julius Caeser upon Cruciform Tropaeum - Divus Allah



Cybele(cybebe/Kabbah/Chevvah'eve')
Cybele in Chariots of Fire *ring a bell muhammed*
Cinderella = Cybele
Lions = Lions of Judah (of mt IDA)

notice in the disc, the Step Pyramid, Queen Elizabeth was coronated on a step pyramid


Isis in Hieroglyphs, notice the Step Pyramid alike the one in Cybele disc, and the Moon like oval
in hieroglphs isis = AST, which profoke Astoreth/Ishtar.

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actualy the crescent it was taken as symbol of new lunar month as month of ramadan and month of shawwal the begining of eid the month after ramadan we prefer the star be heptagon as symbol of first seven ayat or verses of alfatiha...
the real symbol of islam is white banner or green ... as in the old battles..
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islam forbids idolatary, thus signs cannot represent islam.

the star and crescent moon, i believe is from islamic empires, eg the ottoman empire.
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Question Venus star

I read somewhere the star represents Venus?

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PLANET VENUS SITTING ON TOP OF THE CRESCENT MOON


Venus is one of the four solar terrestrial planets, meaning that, like the Earth, it is a rocky body. In size and mass, it is very similar to the Earth, and is often described as Earth's "sister" or "twin".

As one of the brightest objects in the sky, Venus has been known since prehistoric times and as such has gained an entrenched position in human culture. It is described in Babylonian cuneiformic texts such as the Venus tablet of Ammisaduqa, which relates observations that possibly date from 1600 BC. The Babylonians named the planet Ishtar (Sumerian Inanna), the personification of womanhood, and goddess of love.

In Iranian mythology, especially in Persian mythology, the planet usually corresponds to the goddess Anahita. In some parts of Pahlavi literature the deities Aredvi Sura and Anahita are regarded as separate entities, the first one as a personification of the mythical river and the latter as a goddess of fertility which is associated with the planet Venus.


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The astronomical symbol for Venus is the same as that used in biology for the female sex: a circle with a small cross beneath. The Venus symbol also represents femininity, and in Western alchemy stood for the metal copper. Polished copper has been used for mirrors from antiquity, and the symbol for Venus has sometimes been understood to stand for the mirror of the goddess.

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Shukra is the Sanskrit name for Venus

Hilal (Arabic: هلال‎) is an Arabic term, first developed in pre-Islamic Arabia, meaning crescent moon--specifically, the very slight crescent moon that is first visible after a new moon. Muslims look for the hilal when determining the beginning and end of Islamic months, but they don't worship it. The Quran says: "And from among His Signs are the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. Prostrate not to the sun nor to the moon, but prostrate to Allah Who created them, if you (really) worship Him." (41:37). The need to determine the precise time of the appearance of the hilal was one of the inducements for Muslim scholars to study astronomy

The Ottoman Empire started using the crescent moon along with a star after conquering Constantinople.

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actualy the crescent it was taken as symbol of new lunar month as month of ramadan and month of shawwal the begining of eid the month after ramadan we prefer the star be heptagon as symbol of first seven ayat or verses of alfatiha...
the real symbol of islam is white banner or green ... as in the old battles..
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Sumer

The first known uses of the pentagram are found in Mesopotamian writings dating to about 3000 BC. The Sumerian pentagrams served as pictograms for the word "UB" meaning "corner, angle, nook; a small room, cavity, hole; pitfall," suggesting something very similar to the pentemychos (see below on the Pythagorean use for what pentemychos means). In René Labat's index system of Sumerian hieroglyphs/pictograms it is shown with two points up. In the Babylonian context, the edges of the pentagram were probably orientations: forward, backward, left, right, and "above". These directions also had an astrological meaning, representing the five planets Jupiter, Mercury, Mars and Saturn, and Venus as the "Queen of Heaven" (Ishtar) above.

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A pentagram colored to distinguish its line segments of different lengths. The four lengths are in golden ratio to one another.

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Khidr or Al-Khiḍr (Arabic: الخضر‎ "the Green One", also transcribed Khidr, Khidar, Khizr, Khizar and (Persian: خضر), Turkish: Hızır) is an figure in Islam, who according to some sources, was a ‘Abdan Ṣālih (righteous servant of God), while according to others he was a prophet. Al-Khiḍr is best known for his appearance in the Qur'an in sura al-Kahf.[Qur'an 18:65] Although not mentioned by name in the āyah (verse), al-Khiḍr is assumed to be the figure that Musa (Moses) accompanies and whose seemingly violent and destructive actions so disturb Moses that he violates his oath not to ask questions.

Green was symbolic of resurrection and immortality in Ancient Egypt; the god Osiris was depicted as green-skinned.

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Osiris, lord of the dead. His green skin symbolizes re-birth.

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Judgment scene from the Book of the Dead. In the three scenes from the Book of the Dead (version from ~1375 B.C.) the dead man (Hunefer) is taken into the judgement hall by the jackal-headed Anubis. The next scene is the weighing of his heart against the feather of Ma'at, with Ammut waiting the result, and Thoth recording. Next, the triumphant Henefer, having passed the test, is presented by the falcon-headed Horus to Osiris, seated in his shrine with Isis and Nephthys.
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The Signs and Symbols Do not Lie

The high degree Freemasons know the true meaning of the kissing of black stone and understand the symbolic meaning of the Kaaba and the true meaning of the circumambulation. We know that Islam goes much further back than Prophet Muhammad Ibn Abdullah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him), it has no beginning or ending. We learned in the lessons: Question: "What is the birth record of the said, Nation of Islam? Answer: "The said, Nation of Islam, has no birth record. It has no beginning nor ending. It is older than the Sun, Moon and Star", but we have been cut off from our history for over 50,000 years.

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The moon and star is NOT the symbol of Islam. Islam has no symbol. It may be "associated" with Islam, but it has no thing to do with Islam, it is an innovation and a misguidance.
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Though associated with the Sassanid Persians and with Mithradates VI Eupator (who for a time incorporated the city into his empire), by the late Hellenistic or early Roman period, the star and crescent motif had been associated to some degree with Byzantium. For example, some Byzantine coins of the 1st century BCE and later show the head of Artemis with bow and quiver, and feature a crescent with what appears to be a six-rayed star on the reverse. According to accounts which vary in some of the details, in 340 BCE the Byzantines and their allies the Athenians were under siege by the troops of Philip of Macedon. On a particularly dark and wet night Philip attempted a surprise attack but was thwarted by the appearance of a bright light in the sky. This light is occasionally described by subsequent interpreters as a meteor, sometimes as the moon, and some accounts also mention the barking of dogs. However, the original accounts mention only a light in the sky, without specifying the moon. To commemorate the event the Byzantines erected a statue of Hecate lampadephoros (light-bearer or bringer). This story survived in the works of Hesychius of Miletus, who in all probability lived in the time of Justinian I. His works survive only in fragments preserved in Photius and the tenth century lexicographer Suidas. The tale is also related by Stephanus of Byzantium, and Eustathius.

Devotion to Hecate was especially favored by the Byzantines for her aid in having protected them from the incursions of Philip of Macedon. Her symbols were the crescent and star, and the walls of her city were her provenance.


Victory of the Mongols (left) over the Mamluks (right) at the December 22-23, 1299 Battle of Wadi al-Khazandar (Third Battle of Homs).

Note the use of the star and crescent on the Mamluk banner.


It is unclear how the symbol of a particular goddess (one of many) would have been transferred to the city itself. If the Byzantines adopted the crescent and star as a symbol of their city after the events of the mid 4th century BC, one is forced to wonder why they waited several hundred years before putting the symbol on only some of their coins.



Later, under the Romans, cities in the empire often continued to issue their own coinage. "Of the many themes that were used on local coinage, celestial and astral symbols often appeared, mostly stars or crescent moons." The wide variety of these issues, and the varying explanations for the significance of the star and crescent on Roman coinage precludes their discussion here. It is, however, apparent that by the time of the Romans, coins featuring a star or crescent in some combination were not at all rare.


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I thought it represented the "diamond Ring" effect during a solar eclipse-which, if you think about the true nature of islam, and indeed the whole effing 'God' debacle together since sumerian times (by which I mean what it really is, not what its cattle headed followers bleat about it). symbolically makes sense, since all those faiths have hidden the light of knowledge and continually brought darkness to man .you know how the powerful operate, they can openly represent thier ways simply by telling thier peasants a different meaning..
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...............notice in the disc, the Step Pyramid, Queen Elizabeth was coronated on a step pyramid


Isis in Hieroglyphs, notice the Step Pyramid alike the one in Cybele disc, and the Moon like oval
in hieroglphs isis = AST, which profoke Astoreth/Ishtar.
It is not a step pyramid; it is a throne and that is not a moon it is a loaf of bread which stands for the letter 'T' which wasn't always pronounced so Her name was likely spoken as something like 'Ese'
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The moon and star is NOT the symbol of Islam. Islam has no symbol. It may be "associated" with Islam, but it has no thing to do with Islam, it is an innovation and a misguidance.
the religion of allah DOES have a symbols, one symbol of allah's religion is THE CAMEL.

And (as for) the camels, We have made them of the signs of the religion of Allah for you; for you therein is much good; 22.36 Shakir

So the camel should be at the top of mosques.

Deu 14:7 Nevertheless these ye shall not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the cloven hoof; as the camel, and the hare, and the coney: for they chew the cud, but divide not the hoof; therefore they are UNCLEAN FRO YOU.
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actualy the crescent it was taken as symbol of new lunar month as month of ramadan and month of shawwal the begining of eid the month after ramadan we prefer the star be heptagon as symbol of first seven ayat or verses of alfatiha...
the real symbol of islam is white banner or green ... as in the old battles..
The real symbol of allah is the camel:

And (as for) the camels, We have made them of the signs of the religion of Allah for you; for you therein is much good; 22.36 Shakir
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Khidr or Al-Khiḍr (Arabic: الخضر‎ "the Green One", also transcribed Khidr, Khidar, Khizr, Khizar and (Persian: خضر), Turkish: Hızır) is an figure in Islam, who according to some sources, was a ‘Abdan Ṣālih (righteous servant of God), while according to others he was a prophet. Al-Khiḍr is best known for his appearance in the Qur'an in sura al-Kahf.[Qur'an 18:65] Although not mentioned by name in the āyah (verse), al-Khiḍr is assumed to be the figure that Musa (Moses) accompanies and whose seemingly violent and destructive actions so disturb Moses that he violates his oath not to ask questions.
Kadir tells us a lot about the real message of the koran:

So they set off, after leaving the ship, making their way on foot, until, when they met a boy, who had not yet reached puberty, playing with [other] boys, among whom his face was the fairest and he, al-Khidr, slew him, by slitting his throat with a knife while he lay down, or by tearing his head off with his hand, or by smashing his head against a wall, Sura 18:74. Tafsir Al Jalalayn http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?...0&LanguageId=2

Moses said,‘What! hast thou slain an innocent person without his having slain anyone! Surely, thou hast done a hideous thing’ ...

(This is the explanation moses was given)… ‘And as for the youth, his parents were believers, and we feared lest on growing up he should involve them into trouble through rebellion and disbelief;’" S. 18:74, 80 Sher Ali

So this boy hadn't even committed any crime, yet, the man/thing teaching 'musa' the ways of allah 'ripped off a small boys head' because the boy "MAY" grow up with disbelief.

This story from the koran shows that murdering children for the mere crime that they may grow up with "disbelief" IS islamic teaching.
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The Signs and Symbols Do not Lie

The high degree Freemasons know the true meaning of the kissing of black stone and understand the symbolic meaning of the Kaaba and the true meaning of the circumambulation. We know that Islam goes much further back than Prophet Muhammad Ibn Abdullah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him), it has no beginning or ending. We learned in the lessons: Question: "What is the birth record of the said, Nation of Islam? Answer: "The said, Nation of Islam, has no birth record. It has no beginning nor ending. It is older than the Sun, Moon and Star", but we have been cut off from our history for over 50,000 years.

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The high degree Freemasons know the true meaning of the kissing of black stone
yeah? and what do the freemasons say the true meaning is?

What do the muslims say the true meaning is?

Did muhummad know the true meaning for kissing the black stone?

How comes muhummads companions never knew the true meaning'?

Narrated 'Abis bin Rabia: 'Umar came near the Black Stone and kissed it and said "No doubt, I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit anyone nor harm anyone. HAD I NOT SEEN ALLAH’S APOSTLE KISSING YOU I WOULD NOT HAVE KISSED YOU" (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 26, Number 667
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yeah? and what do the freemasons say the true meaning is?

What do the muslims say the true meaning is?

Did muhummad know the true meaning for kissing the black stone?

How comes muhummads companions never knew the true meaning'?

Narrated 'Abis bin Rabia: 'Umar came near the Black Stone and kissed it and said "No doubt, I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit anyone nor harm anyone. HAD I NOT SEEN ALLAH’S APOSTLE KISSING YOU I WOULD NOT HAVE KISSED YOU" (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 26, Number 667
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The real symbol of allah is the camel:

And (as for) the camels, We have made them of the signs of the religion of Allah for you; for you therein is much good; 22.36 Shakir
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Moon-worship was equally popular in various forms. The classical legends of Apollo and Diana, twin brother and sister, representing the sun and the moon... The Egyptian Khonsu, traversing the sky in a boat, referred to the moon, and the moon legends also got mixed up with those about the god of magic, Thoth, and the Ibis...In the Vedic religion of India the moon-god was Soma, the lord of the planets, and the name was also applied to the juice which was the drink of the gods. It may be noted that the moon was a male divinity in ancient India; it was also a male divinity in ancient Semitic religion, and the Arabic word for the moon (qamar) is of the masculine gender... On the other hand, the Arabic word for the sun (shams) is of the feminine gender. The Pagan Arabs evidently looked upon the sun as a goddess and the moon as a god...
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