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Freemasons - what are they?
What is your understanding of Freemasons, if you can explain it using evidence then that would be excellent. I'm open minded about the whole issue, however, I am not willing to blindingly accept everything that is said - no offence. So, what are Freemasons, what is their common purpose, and what is it that makes them seen as currupt? |
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06-09-2010, 11:32 PM
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07-09-2010, 12:22 AM
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07-09-2010, 12:28 AM
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I was 100% honest with him because he is a really nice guy and told him about my beliefs and about some of the negative stuff i have read about freemasonry (mainly on this forum). I dont know enough about masonry to really take a side on the issue but some of the more extreme accusations sound ludicrous to me. I have to say i was intrigued when he said what he said to me and i have been thinking about it mainly to try better myself as a person and the good things i have read about masonry does teach men to become better people. I do find it hard not to get my head turned by the negative things though because i would call myself a critical thinker and even quite cynical so i dont know whats true and whats not. I have been reading through some of the threads about masons and every thread seems to go down the same path, accusation from one side rebuttal from the other. It seems neither will ever convince each other of the truth. I would appreciate any links from anyone to give me a better handle of freemasonry? thanks |
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07-09-2010, 12:46 AM
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07-09-2010, 12:50 AM
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07-09-2010, 01:18 AM
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I'm probably not the right man to answer this question but it seems too depend on the lodge or group of lodges .. i just had a few things confirmed at the end of the goat thread ... and as i suspected masons and magical groups such as the OTO, golden danw, rosicrusians etc are related to masons but arent actually masons, i cant think of a good analogy .. maybe some masons are like pussy cats (boys club) and some are lions ( Lucifer worshipping magicians, both black and white) but you could call them all "felines". (i.e.based on masonry). There essentially a boys club who look after you spiritually and mentally and do some good deeds. Im not sure which group gives you the little badges and and stuff so when the cops catch you driving home pissed from the golf club they don't arrest you though! There seems to be some good people on here who are honest and open so they should help you out better than i can! Last edited by ein_lite; 07-09-2010 at 01:19 AM. |
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07-09-2010, 02:23 AM
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07-09-2010, 02:29 AM
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07-09-2010, 07:51 AM
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Politicians: - USA: - 14 Presidents: Clinton, Ford, Truman, both Roosevelt, Jackson, Monroe, Washington... Not Masons: Bush, Reagan, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Nixon, Carter, Lincoln... (Johnson: Apprentice) - 18 Vice-Presidents: Including Gore... - 18 Senators: Dole, Byrd, Bentsen, Nunn, Helms, Goldwater, Kemp, Thurmond... Wallace... - 76 members of the House of Representatives: Gingrich, Wright, Lott, Pepper, W. Ford, Rangel... - 35 U.S. Supreme Court Justices: Out of the 9 members, in 1941: 5 to 4; in 1949: 8 to 1; in 1957: 6 to 3; in 1971: 5 to 4: Warren, Marshall... - Generals Colin Powell, MacArthur, Doolittle. - Declaration of Independence: 9 of the 56 signers. Franklin (helped to initiate Voltaire). - UK: Many Kings, Queens, and Prime Ministers, including Churchill, Duke of Windsor, of Kent, Prince Philip... - Canada: 6 Prime Ministers: Diefenbaker... - Australia: 10 Prime Ministers: Hawke... - South Africa: Pik Botha... - Other International Leaders: King Hussein, Rabin of Israel, Arafat, Garibaldi, Bolivar, Marti, Villas, Zapata... Religious Leaders: Jesse Jackson, Oral Roberts, Robert Schuller, Louis Farrahkan, Vincent Peale, Geoffrey Fisher (Archbishop of Canterbury)... many Mormons: Smith, Young... many Rosicrucians... - The Occult and Satanism: Aliester Crowley (magic, to destroy Christianity), Gardner (Wiccan, white witchcraft), Wescott (order of golden dawn), Helena Blavatsky (theosophy), Pike (satanist)... Business and Economic Leaders: The Rothschilds and the Rockefellers, H. Ford, W. Chrysler, A. Citroen, C. Hilton, J.C.Penny, C. Woodward, D. Thomas (Wendy's), Sanders (Kentucky Fried Chicken), M. Sachs (5th Ave.)... Film Bob Hope, John Wayne, Louis Armstrong, Clark Gable, Tyrone Power, Danny Thomas, Al Jonson, Gene Autre, Casanova, Cecil B. DeMille, Walt Disney, Mayer (of Metro-Goldwin-Mayer), the 7 Ringling Brothers of the Circus, Houdini, Red Skelton, Collodi (Pinocchio), Lincoln (Tarzan), Roy Rogers, Nat King Cole, Oliver Hardy, Roy Clark, Jimmy Rodgers... Musicians: Mozart, Beethoven, Handel, Haydn, Sibelius, Duke Ellington, Frank Lystz, Puccini... Writers: Shakespeare, Voltaire, Kipling, Tolstoy, Pushkin, Connan Doyle... Astronauts: John Gleen, Neil Armstrong, Edwin Aldrin, Cooper, Irwin... Lindbergh the aviator... Founders: Booth (Salvation Army), Beard (Boy Scouts), Dunant (Red Cross), Sax (saxophone)... Architects: Bartholdy (Statue of Liberty), Eifell (Paris Tower), Hoban (White House), Borglum (Mt. Rushmore), Smithson (Smithsonian Institute). Medicine: Fleming (penicillin), Jenner (Small Pox), Mayo (Clinic in the USA)... Now, we can all agree that there are Freemason's in many key INFLUENTIAL positions that have had a MAJOR impact on the world as we know it today. Look at the state of the world today, corruption and scandals abroad. Politics is a joke, so is Holly-wood. Law enforcement has become a complete discrace, getting busted in scandal after scandal (keep in mind here that there are many, many Freemason police officers, even lodges that are ONLY police). There have been "black lodges" within the Freemason organization that have been busted in major scandals: Freemason's are heavily tied into law enforcement, I have a thread on these forums concerning this topic: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=133518 What I find really funny, is that when any of this info is posted on forums, you get people jumping on you right away claiming it's "anti-masonry", kind of like the whole "anti-semite" thing that happens if you mention the word "Jew". Freemason's get really defensive when you bring up the scandal's and corruption. Yes you get alot of extremists and alot of utter crap, but why is that? Maybe because there is literally a TON of very suspicious happenings going on within the "craft". It's difficult to sift through the rubbish but if you dig deep enough it is there. Iv'e been studying secret societies for 10 years, my step mother is a high level Rosicrucian and iv'e also had a friend who was an undercover within the RCMP of Canada that had to go into hiding due to death threats from masonic RCMP officers. So I know first hand that there is deep corruption within law enforcement which is tied to Freemason activities. Of course there is no way to prove this to you, but please look into the information iv'e posted and decide for yourself.
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07-09-2010, 01:34 PM
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2) Yes, there are many Freemasons who are also law enforcement officers. 3) Freemasons (Moderns Freemasons) become exercised when membership of their brand of Freemasonry is conflated with allegations that ALL Freemasons are therefore, by mere dint of membership, corrupt. Allow me to deal with this issue head on. If Freemasonry is not a religion with a firm and unshakeable base in religious morality supported by extremely severe penalties for misconduct, but a loose uncontrolled social networking organisation (which IMHO it has become) then it is wide open to corrupt practices. It is its own worst enemy. The seeds of destruction are clear for all to see.
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07-09-2010, 02:31 PM
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- USA: - 14 Presidents: Clinton, Ford, Truman, both Roosevelt, Jackson, Monroe, Washington... Not Masons: Bush, Reagan, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Nixon, Carter, Lincoln... (Johnson: Apprentice) - 18 Vice-Presidents: Including Gore... - 18 Senators: Dole, Byrd, Bentsen, Nunn, Helms, Goldwater, Kemp, Thurmond... Wallace... - 76 members of the House of Representatives: Gingrich, Wright, Lott, Pepper, W. Ford, Rangel... - 35 U.S. Supreme Court Justices: Out of the 9 members, in 1941: 5 to 4; in 1949: 8 to 1; in 1957: 6 to 3; in 1971: 5 to 4: Warren, Marshall... - Generals Colin Powell, MacArthur, Doolittle. - Declaration of Independence: 9 of the 56 signers. Franklin (helped to initiate Voltaire)." So less than 175 people over more than 200 years out of literally tens of millions of Freemasons? Certainly many Freemasons have held powerful positions, no doubt there. Probably because they have an interest in politics a little higher than the average American who likes being led as opposed to leading. |
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07-09-2010, 07:14 PM
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What is Freemasonry?
In attempting to answer this question, certain appropriate "methods" should be utilised which will be familiar to those engaged in the academic field of "The Study of Religion." Since this forum seems to often have around 2000 people viewing it and it often appears on Google front page for searches on "Masonioc" subjects, I am quite sure that it will be used as a research source for students and scholars engaged in the study of religion who are researching Freemasonry. Since I am quite familiar with the process of marking student's papers (I have a post grad in Education), there are a number of common mistakes which are often made when undertaking such a study. 1: Masonry as understood by Masons. There are numerous Masons on this forum who simply dismiss all criticism and respond with abuse and contradiction (such as "I don't agree with that"). When studying any religious cult, it is important to study the writings of the cultists themselves, however if one writes a comprehensive essay which is based only on the writings of Masonic cultists themselves, this would almost universally be considered biased. It is as if one were to write an essay which claimed to be a comprehensive study of the "Jehova's Witness" cult which only referred to the writings and opinions of the cultists themselves, and which did not take into account the writings of apostates and anti-cultists. 2: Masonry as understood by anti-cultists. Similarly if one wrote an essay on Masonry which claimed to be a comprehensive study, and "only" referred to the writings and opinions of anti-cultists, this also would be considered biased. 3: Judgement. Judgement is a subjective discernment of good and evil. Clearly an anti-Capitalist or Communist is unlikely to consider the Masonic cult to be a benevolent influence on society; similarly with the members of competing religious cults such as the Christians and Muslims. Ultimately the more one studies a cult from the perspective of it's cultists and anti-cultist opposition, the more one is able to form a judgement, however such a judgement will also be influenced by the political philosophy, moral philosophy and religious indoctrination of the student. Quote:
Since the beginnings of the Internet, more and more articles and information have become universally available to students regarding Masonic cultism; it is my view that this is an entirely good thing and that it will assist in generating international animosity against this Capitalist cult of Capitalists. It also gives Masonic cultists the opportunity to defend themselves against their numerous accusers and for others to judge the "quality" of their defense; however on this particular thread, what we can see is that Masons simply not intelligently respond to their critics and just reply with statements of contradiction and abuse; this is entirely to the advantage of their anti-cult enemies. Essentially Filterfunker, if you post anti-Masonic essays on this forum or on any forum where there are Masons, and all you get is responses which constitute abuse and contradition, you might consider that to be an indication of victory; certainly in a debate between philosophers using the Socratic method, if a philosopher responds to the criticisms of an opponent with simple contradiction and abuse, then this person would be deemed to have lost the debate by default, and indeed in a live debate with an impartial judge, the debater using such a strategy may well even be silenced and told to "stand down," for such immature behaviour and avoidance of debate. A football hooligan, a child in a playground or any common fool can always try to shout down a philosopher or scholar with contradiction ("I don't agree with that" one-liners) and abuse; such hooligans may shout louder than the philosopher, but they will still never win the argument from the perspective of other philosophers and scholars. Lux Last edited by luciferhorus; 07-09-2010 at 08:22 PM. |
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07-09-2010, 11:13 PM
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Anti-Masonry Conference
Canonbury Masonic Research Centre Conference: Anti-Masonry 30th-31st October 2010 - http://www.canonbury.ac.uk/
http://www.canonbury.ac.uk/images/confposter2010.png London's Canonbury Masonic Research Centre is pleased to announce that tickets for its twelfth annual conference, which this year is on the theme of ‘Anti-Masonry’, are now available. Tickets for the conference are £100. Price includes entrance to the film screening of the film Les Forces Occultes during the evening of Friday 29 October at University College London and a wine reception, as well as two buffet luncheons over the conference weekend. Tickets for the Saturday evening conference dinner are an additional £40. The film Les Forces Occultes was made in 1943 by two "former Masons", Jean Marques-Riviere and Jean Mamy. Both men were Vichey supporters and collaborated with the Nazis to produce anti-Semitic and anti-Masonic propaganda. When the war ended, Mamy was sentenced to death for his work with the Gestapo, and was shot in March 1949. Marques-Riviere escaped prosecution, and was condemned to death in absentia. He died in 2000. The following lectures are scheduled to be presented at the conference: • Keynote lecture: Protocols of the Elders of Zion Professor Michael Hagemeister, Ludwig-Maximilians-University Munich • Anti-masonry and masonic transnationalism: a complex interplay Dr. Joachim Berger, Institute of European History, Mainz • Blaming the Great War on the masons' entente: Friedrich Wichtl, 1872-1921 Dr. Reinhard Markner, Berlin • The anti-masonic writings of General Erich Ludendorff Jimmy Koppen, Free University of Brussels • Anti-masonry as political protest: Fascist attitudes to Freemasonry in interwar Romania Roland Clark, University of Pittsburgh • Keynote lecture: Franco's persecution of Freemasonry Professor José Antonio Ferrer Benimeli, University of Zaragoza • 'Anti-masonry' in nineteenth-century Ottoman Lebanon: an offensive against Anglo-Saxon and protestant missionaries? Saïd Chaaya, L'Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes/Sorbonne • Anti-masonry among the Ottomans and in contemporary Turkey Professor Thierry Zarcone, CNRS, Paris • Trends of anti-masonry in Eastern Orthodox cultures Dr. Yuri Stoyanov, Research Fellow, SOAS, University of London • 'The Devil's sons': one century of anti-masonry in the Arab world Stephan Schmid, American University of Beirut • Keynote lecture: Professor John Robison (1739-1805) Professor Andrew Prescott, Hatii, University of Glasgow • The reception of anti-masonry in the eighteenth-century English press Dr. Róbert Péter, Senior Assistant Professor, University of Szeged • Barruel's conspiracy theory - a theoretical approach Claus Oberhauser, University of Innsbruck • A Swedish diplomat's recently deciphered perspective on the Unlawful Societies Act of 1799 Dr. Andreas Önnerfors, University of Sheffield • The voice of Morgan's blood cries from the ground': reading American anti-masonry through anti-masonic almanacs, 1827-1837 Jeff Croteau, MA MLS, National Heritage Museum, Lexington, Massachusetts • Keynote lecture: War on the Freemasons: the fate of Nazi and Soviet seized books and archives Dr. Patricia Kennedy Grimsted, Harvard Ukrainian Research Institute, Harvard University • Anti-masonic thought in France: the example of Bernard Faÿ Jen Farrar, University of Sheffield • Visual evidence used by Franco's Police in the persecution of Spanish Freemasons Dr. Sylvia Hottinger, Carlos III University, Madrid • Stolen truth or truth stolen? Dr. Hans Kummerer, Quatuor Coronati Research Lodge, Austria • The ongoing restitution of the Norwegian masonic library and archives Helge Bjørn Horrisland, Norwegian Order of Freemasons Website: http://www.canonbury.ac.uk Last edited by kadosh; 07-09-2010 at 11:15 PM. |
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07-09-2010, 11:15 PM
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wow, you guys are getting desperate!
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07-09-2010, 11:18 PM
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No, not desperate. Just the facts!
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07-09-2010, 11:55 PM
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I am very impressed. I will do my best to attend. I have actually only attended only "one" lecture at the Canonbury Masonic Research Centre some years ago (just out of interest since it is my father's religion) and to be frank my conversations with Masons there were rather cordial, interesting, and had very little in common with the conversations with Masons one finds on Internet discussion forums; the Canonbury crowd are almost certainly the intellectual elites of Masonry. I have to point out that although I rather consider Masonic esotericism to be mostly nonsense and Kabbalistic sophistry, confusion and heresy, and that my own personal metaphysical beliefs are almost entirely Kabbalistic and that I also experience similar opposition and persecution from Christians and assorted religious fanatics that the Masons experience. My objections to Masonry are primarly the objections of an ideological Communist and Anarchist, since it is a Capitalist cult of Capitalists and essentially a "Capitalist gang" which includes numerous anti-Communists, loan sharks, police state / state terrorist / narco-terrorist collaborators. I don't consider all of the Masonic esoteric teachings to be entirely malevolent, but I am disturbed by their general reverence the mythical world of ancient blood sacrifice cultism (Solomonic temple cultism) and their claim to be "Christian Knights," since they seem to be universally hostile and opposed to the teachings and edicts of their alleged Communist mentor (i.e., Jesus) however I do have a serious problem with their moral philosophy, but that is because I am a Communist and anti-religionist. All militant Communists without exception are human sacrifice cultists; as Lenin argued, if half the world's population have to be eradicated in order that the other half can live in Communist paradise, it would be morally justifiable, but this has nothing to do with Christian Capitalist human sacrifice where most of humanity are enslaved, impoverished and at times tortured and killed for the sake of Capitalist revolution. If anyone else from the forum is planning on attending, I can assure you that I am quite friendly and in addition to my offer of 144 virgins (I change this number frequently to beat all other prices on salvation) or 144,000 virgins in the afterlife (or your money back), that I am usually capable of buying you a few ales and being entirely civilised and conversational. Since I have a habit of attending anti-cult meetups and conferences, out of acedemic interest, in the interests of fairness, I would highly recommend all anti-Masons to attend, to be non-confrontational, to observe and to comment afterwards. "The great general always studies his enemies intensely." Lux Last edited by luciferhorus; 08-09-2010 at 01:39 AM. |
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