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Old 27-08-2010, 04:11 AM   #1
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Certain document was brought to my attention. I am posting it on a file sharing site for those who might be interested:


The document is called "Fragments from the Masters: Rosirucian 9th degree special pamphlets".

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Centuries ago (the definite time has never been established) there was founded the most unusual Order named the Order of the Illuminati. Historians not associated with Hermetic brotherhoods speculated as to both its origin and nature. They say Menandez Pelayo first found the name of the order in 1492; but traced it back, he claimed, to an early gnostic origin in Spain. The movement was found then to have spread to France from Seville in 1693 and attained large proportions. These historians go on to relate that in 1537 the Order known as the Illuminati rose to prominence, professing, also, to be Roscircucians and tracing their origin back beyond 1422.

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The name Illuminati was assigned to the Order because its members were said to be enlightened, or illumined, having peculiar discernment of the Cosmic Divine principles. According to the true history known to the mystery or Hermetic schools, it was mainly composed of Rosicrucians; but it also numbered in its membership those affiliated with other humanitarian, esoteric and spiritual Orders.
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This Hermetic Order, the Illuminati, still flourishes today, and in due time you will learn of its existence and of its officers, and how the humble and sincere of the present may share in its sacred privileges and knowledge.
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Old 28-08-2010, 06:16 PM   #2
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Default English Rosicrucian Grand Master Fulke Greville

The famous 16th century Poet and courtier to Elizabeth 1st,Charles 1st and James 1st was Lord Brooke,Fulke Greville who died in 1628 is believed to have been the first Grand Master of the Rosicrucian Order.
The Rosicrusian Order is still going strong to this present day with many fine minds adhering to the Orders principles.
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Old 29-08-2010, 09:43 PM   #3
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The famous 16th century Poet and courtier to Elizabeth 1st,Charles 1st and James 1st was Lord Brooke,Fulke Greville who died in 1628 is believed to have been the first Grand Master of the Rosicrucian Order.
The Rosicrusian Order is still going strong to this present day with many fine minds adhering to the Orders principles.

How was an English court member the first Grand Master of a German order?
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Old 30-08-2010, 07:49 PM   #4
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Rose+Cross, Rosacroce, Rosenkreutz, RoseCroix are into nobility from Europe, UK and then some into USA, too.
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Rose+Cross, Rosacroce, Rosenkreutz, RoseCroix are into nobility from Europe, UK and then some into USA, too.
still doesn't explain how the very first leader of a German order was an English court member
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Old 30-08-2010, 08:15 PM   #6
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still doesn't explain how the very first leader of a German order was an English court member
I don't know about some english leader, however The Rosicrucians were/are not only a german order and are a major key player in this madness. Pretty quick they became international(european).
Unfortunately I lack (as usual) an equivalent english source.
I could only offer some google translation.
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Old 30-08-2010, 08:20 PM   #7
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Clue for you oafs king; Normandy, Normans.

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still doesn't explain how the very first leader of a German order was an English court member
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Old 30-08-2010, 08:32 PM   #8
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Clue for you oafs king; Normandy, Normans.




Clue for you Dickhead, the Rosicrucians were formed in Germany by Germans and headed by Germans. It would not be possible for an English court member to head them up.



If you are that smart, please explain how Frenchmen derived from Scandanavians would be leading a German order?
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Old 30-08-2010, 08:41 PM   #9
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Clue for you Dickhead, the Rosicrucians were formed in Germany by Germans and headed by Germans. It would not be possible for an English court member to head them up.



If you are that smart, please explain how Frenchmen derived from Scandanavians would be leading a German order?
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The House of Windsor is the current Royal House of the United Kingdom and each of the other Commonwealth realms. It is a branch of the German House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha German: Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha), which adopted the English name Windsor by a royal proclamation on the 17. July 1917.

The English are Germans The Welsh are real Britons




House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha

The House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha is a German dynasty, the senior line of the Saxon House of Wettin that ruled the Ernestine duchies, including the duchy of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha. It is also the royal house of several European monarchies, and branches currently reign in Belgium through the descendants of Leopold I, and in the United Kingdom through the descendants of Prince Albert. Due to anti-German sentiment in the United Kingdom during World War I, George V of the United Kingdom changed the name of his branch from Saxe-Coburg and Gotha to Windsor in 1917. The same happened in Belgium where it was changed in "van BelgiŽ" (Dutch) or "de Belgique" (French).

http://infowars.net/pictures/februar...lipfuneral.jpg

The Duke of Edinburgh is a dukedom associated with Edinburgh, Scotland. There have been three creations since 1726 (or four if one considers the royal dukedom of Gloucester and Edinburgh). The current holder is Prince Philip, the husband of, and royal consort to, Queen Elizabeth II.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._NASA_2007.jpg

Voices of people experiencing poverty in Scotland

http://www.jrf.org.uk/publications/v...verty-scotland

Edin Burgh

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David Rohl suggests that the land of Eden was a vast area referred to in ancient Sumerian texts as the Edin

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The House of Windsor is the current Royal House of the United Kingdom and each of the other Commonwealth realms. It is a branch of the German House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha German: Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha), which adopted the English name Windsor by a royal proclamation on the 17. July 1917.

The English are Germans The Welsh are real Britons

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j617mImHVvk

I am sorry, but you are erring of about 150 years.
Johann Valentin Andreae (1586 - 1654) suspected author of the "Chymische Hochzeit" or "Chymical Wedding"

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Old 30-08-2010, 09:08 PM   #11
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I am sorry, but you are erring of about 150 years.
Johann Valentin Andreae (1586 - 1654) suspected author of the "Chymische Hochzeit" or "Chymical Wedding"
I was stating the English monarchy are of German descent irrelevant of the Rosicrucians

I am not really interested who founded them

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I was stating the English monarchy are of German descent irrelevant of the Rosicrucians

I am not really interested who founded them
Yes, I got that, but I actually don't see the connection you are trying to make.

Rosicrucians were there before the offspring of sachsen-coburg claimed the english crown.

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Old 30-08-2010, 09:21 PM   #13
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The House of Windsor is the current Royal House of the United Kingdom and each of the other Commonwealth realms. It is a branch of the German House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha German: Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha), which adopted the English name Windsor by a royal proclamation on the 17. July 1917.

The English are Germans The Welsh are real Britons

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j617mImHVvk



House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha

The House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha is a German dynasty, the senior line of the Saxon House of Wettin that ruled the Ernestine duchies, including the duchy of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha. It is also the royal house of several European monarchies, and branches currently reign in Belgium through the descendants of Leopold I, and in the United Kingdom through the descendants of Prince Albert. Due to anti-German sentiment in the United Kingdom during World War I, George V of the United Kingdom changed the name of his branch from Saxe-Coburg and Gotha to Windsor in 1917. The same happened in Belgium where it was changed in "van BelgiŽ" (Dutch) or "de Belgique" (French).

http://infowars.net/pictures/februar...lipfuneral.jpg

The Duke of Edinburgh is a dukedom associated with Edinburgh, Scotland. There have been three creations since 1726 (or four if one considers the royal dukedom of Gloucester and Edinburgh). The current holder is Prince Philip, the husband of, and royal consort to, Queen Elizabeth II.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._NASA_2007.jpg

Voices of people experiencing poverty in Scotland

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Edin Burgh

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Thanks LG.

I understand how the current monarchy are very much German.


What I am looking at is the mythology of Rosenkreutz and the founding the of original Rosicrucians in the early 1600's.

What I see is an England still infighting in Protestantism vs Catholicism. Run by Scots that still have some degree of loyalty to their Catholic French neighbours across the channel who are at politicial odds with the Holy Roman Empire who didn't treat Luther so well as a dissenting voice against the Vatican, and so on. A basic power struggle across polticial and religious lines.

Basically, I see a group proposing a new type of religious thought that has every reason in the world to not make themselves too public. Between the Vatican, the views of the monarchs in England, France and Germany and the rising power of the English parliament (puritans/Lutherians) any cozying with the royal court would have been a sure ticket to the gallows.


If I'm a little off on my history, please forgive me. But I think the basic idea of a group, like the Rosicrucians, remaining underground is realistic.
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Yes, I got that, but I actually don't see the connection you are trying to make.

Rosicrucians were there before the offspring of sachsen-coburg claimed the english crown.
I dont really see the point you are trying to make either

Rosicrucians were there?

Could you point out where ?



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If I'm a little off on my history, please forgive me. But I think the basic idea of a group, like the Rosicrucians, remaining underground is realistic.
Why would they want to be underground?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...frosycross.png

That does not look underground



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2b/Fama.jpg

see they even published the Fama Fraternitatis Rosae Crucis (1614)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...u_fm_18eme.jpg

and if you are really good you get a badge err I mean a jewel

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I dont really see the point you are trying to make either

Rosicrucians were there?

Could you point out where ?





They are here!

Seriously, I meant they existed long before some german english royalty, which you brought in.

What english Sachsen-Coburg morons have to do with the founding of Rosicrucians, who existed prior to them, more than a full century earlier?
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They are here!

Seriously, I meant they existed long before some german english royalty, which you brought in.

What english Sachsen-Coburg morons have to do with the founding of Rosicrucians, who existed prior to them, more than a full century earlier?
How do you know they existed before the English German Danish Greek Royal Family?



You have still not stated where exactly they are?


Apparently the Royals go back to Sumer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleur-de-lis

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lightgiver;

Baffling oafs king with facts will only confuse the spastic.

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The House of Windsor is the current Royal House of the United Kingdom and each of the other Commonwealth realms. It is a branch of the German House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha German: Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha), which adopted the English name Windsor by a royal proclamation on the 17. July 1917.

The English are Germans The Welsh are real Britons

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j617mImHVvk



House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha

The House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha is a German dynasty, the senior line of the Saxon House of Wettin that ruled the Ernestine duchies, including the duchy of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha. It is also the royal house of several European monarchies, and branches currently reign in Belgium through the descendants of Leopold I, and in the United Kingdom through the descendants of Prince Albert. Due to anti-German sentiment in the United Kingdom during World War I, George V of the United Kingdom changed the name of his branch from Saxe-Coburg and Gotha to Windsor in 1917. The same happened in Belgium where it was changed in "van BelgiŽ" (Dutch) or "de Belgique" (French).

http://infowars.net/pictures/februar...lipfuneral.jpg

The Duke of Edinburgh is a dukedom associated with Edinburgh, Scotland. There have been three creations since 1726 (or four if one considers the royal dukedom of Gloucester and Edinburgh). The current holder is Prince Philip, the husband of, and royal consort to, Queen Elizabeth II.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._NASA_2007.jpg

Voices of people experiencing poverty in Scotland

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Edin Burgh

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David Rohl suggests that the land of Eden was a vast area referred to in ancient Sumerian texts as the Edin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garden_of_Eden
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How do you know they existed before the English German Danish Greek Royal Family?



You have still not stated where exactly they are?


Apparently the Royals go back to Sumer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleur-de-lis

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...e-by-Durer.jpg

Then for gods sake, be precise without 1000 words saying nothing.
This is no paper chase, at least not for me.

PS: I don't really buy into merovingian whatever bloodline thingy.
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Then for gods sake, be precise without 1000 words saying nothing.
This is no paper chase, at least not for me.

PS: I don't really buy into merovingian whatever bloodline thingy.
Tell you what,I will leave you to it

.................Mer, French term for the sea, used in compounds such as mermaid, merman, merwoman, merbabies, merfolk.........merlin
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Shoot me a PM. I need to talk with you. I see your profile is set up to not accept them right now.
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