23-06-2012, 03:34 PM
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Journal of Scientific Exploration paper on UFOs.
 The below text is from his peer reviewed scientific paper on the UFO situation and is worth its wait in gold, this paper is in the PDF format and is easily downloadable. ************************************************** ************* Journal qfScienfif'ic Explorafion, Vol. I, No. I , pp. 75-100. 1987 Pergamon Journals Ltd. Printed in the USA. 0892-3310187 $3.00+.00 0 1987 Society for Scientific Exploration An Analysis of the Condon Report on the Colorado UFO Project; P. A. STURROCK Center for Space Science and Astrophysics, Stanford University, Stanford, CA 94305-4025; "Abstract-The "Condon Report," presenting the findings of the Colorado Project on a scientific study of unidentified flying objects, has been and re- mains the most influential public document concerning the scientific status of this problem. Hence, all current scientific work on the UFO problem must make reference to the Condon Report. For this reason, it remains important to understand the contents of this report, the work on which the report is based, and the relationship of the "Summary of the Study" and "Conclusions and Recommendations" to the body of the report." "The present analysis of this report contains an overview, an analysis of evidence by categories, and a discussion of scientific methodology. The overview shows that most case studies were conducted by junior s t a c the senior staff took little part, and the director took no part, in these investigations." The analysis of evidence by categories shows that there are substantial and significant differences between the findings of the project staff and those that the director attributes to the project. Although both the director and the staff are cautious in stating conclusions, the staff tend to emphasize challenging cases and unanswered questions, whereas the director emphasizes the difficulty of further study and the probability that there is no scientific knowledge to be gained. Concerning methodology, it appears that the project was unable to identify current challenging cases that warranted truly exhaustive investigation. Nor did the project develop a uniform and systematic procedure for cataloging the large number of older cases with which they were provided. In drawing conclusions from the study of such a problem, the nature and scope of which are fraught with so much uncertainty, it would have been prudent to avoid theory-dependent arguments. Introduction ; The "UFO phenomenon," which is here taken to comprise those events that lead to reports of "unidentified flying objects," is of widespread public interest but elicits comparatively little interest from most scientists, who-to judge from their public statements-perceive the study of this phenomenon not only as unproductive but also as not respectable. An editorial in Science (Abelson, 1974) refers to unidentified flying objects in a discussion of "pseu- doscience," which is termed an "intellectual poison."  On the other hand, a survey of members of the American Astronomical Society, which permitted members to express opinions under the cloak of anonymity, indicates that scientists are probably more interested in and more open-minded towards this subject than one would judge from their public statements (Stur- rock, 1977). The history of the UFO phenomenon in the United States is long and complex. Jacobs (1 975) has given a comprehensive account of this history up to 1973 in his book UFO Controversy in America. This book presents a detailed account of the origin of the Colorado UFO Project, of which the following is a very brief encapsulation. The United States Air Force carried out three consecutive studies of the UFO phenomenon over a 22-year period: Project Sign, from 1947 to 1948; Project Grudge from 1 948 to 1952; and Project Blue Book from 1952 to 1969. Although these studies and their reports were initially classified, it appears that all reports (except Blue Book Special Report No. 13, if it ever existed) have now been declassified and are publicly available. The Air Force organized an "Ad Hoc Committee to Review Project Blue Book," and this committee met in February 1966. Its members were Brian O'Brien (chairman), Launor Carter, Jesse Orlansky, Richard Porter, Carl Sagan, and Willis A. Ware. This committee recommended that the Air Force negotiate contracts "with a few selected universities to provide selected teams to investigate promptly and in depth certain selected sightings of UFOs." link for further reading and study below; Condon Report Peer Reviewed Analysis - P. A. Sturrock, Center for Space Science and Astrophysics, Stanford University (pdf); http://www.scientificexploration.org...sturrock_2.pdf
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28-06-2012, 05:35 PM
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Hopefully this will generate some interest and show that the historical side to the UFO situation is indeed a subject and is deserving of at least some respect and seriousness and study.As we all know knowledge is a weapon and can be used for good too.
In this post i will attempt at offering a sort of educational format of the historical UFO investigation's that where carried out by official scientific and military organisatrions namely the United States Air Force or USAF for short.There were a number of these official UFO investigations carried out in the 50 and 60s.On these panel's sat air force personal and scientific academics who i will name and provide background information in the course of this narrative. What must be remember here and is of extreme importance is that the conclusions of these governmental and scientific investigation's where to shape the very beliefs, perceptions and excepted scientific possibilities of not only the scientific world but the media's manipulation of the public's acceptance and belief's structures on UFOs but mainly on the possibilities of any ET connections.It is clear that these official investigation's started out from the first to debunk,play down and ridicule the UFO situation. This was exposed by not only one scientific academic who sat on one of these official investigation's namely a one Dr J.Allen Hynek who was the scientific consultant and adviser to one of these investigation's called "PROJECT BLUE BOOK" Towards the end of his life Dr Hyneck revealed that he believed that this "blue book" was aimed at debunking the UFO situation from the start so that any serious scientific research on UFOs would be naturally scoffed at by the scientific world. In short this investigation achieved its aim as an other scientific academic was to prove, when he investigated "blue books" findings , enter a one senior atmospheric and meteorologist physicist named Dr James E MacDonald. As i will show he dedicated his own time and money into scrutinising the scientific ways these UFOs where investigated by the "blue book" consultants and found glaring scientific investigatory inadequate methods that were used to justify the explanations for some UFO reports, he also found that the truly perplexing cases would be excluded from any drafts on the final conclusion documents that would be presented to the senior governmental and military intelligences. Here we see "blue books" real motives as Dr MacDonald began to see a pattern that was emerging , this pattern he named "FORCE FIT EXPLANATIONS" or in short explanations that were quick and easy but not necessary the correct ones to those cases that needed much more time to investigate because of the sheer complexity they contained. I will now name the official UFO investigation's that where carried out by the USAF,i will provide links to each of these respective investigation's for further reading or study for those interested or just curious , remember that these official investigation's and the final conclusions they reached and published shaped the scientific,(especially any future or planned scientific study of UFOs), and media's perceptions ect of the UFO situation and it continues to this day in some form or another,although there seems to be a much more open minded approach emanating from some scientific circles due to the continuing discovery of what astronomers term as "extra planets" that are being found in our solar system especially those planets that are found in their "habitable zones".Not saying this is directly related to any UFOs but it gives a insight into what is possible as more is discovered. http://foia.abovetopsecret.com/ultim...efing_1960.pdf Project Blue Book Eglin Air Force Base Conference 1960 Mostly Good Scans of the written presentation by Dr. Hynek on the subject of UFO's to attendees of the Hypervelocity Impact Conference Banquet. Document date: 1960-04-27 Department: USAF Author: Dr. J. Allen Hynek Document type: Written Presentation pages: 40 Below are the official UFO investigation projects undertaken by the USAF intelligences.I share the view that its possible that these investigation's are still on going in some capacity away from the public and scientific minds. Indeed some countries air force intelligences have came out and admitted this ,namely Argentina who are working with civilian UFO researches, i covered this fact in another post on this thread. Here are the main investigation's below; While it is fair to give both sides of the debate a hearing , below shows that the conclusions of the official investigation's carried out were possibly biased from the start and that there was nothing to UFO reports and that they showed no threat to national security, futher investigation's of these findings by Dr MacDonald show that this was NOT the case.Snippets and links have been provided below. I will in my next post offer up the views and beliefs of the two main exponents and some what critics of the below official UFO investigatory organisations and the conclusions they reached. ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************* 1."PROJECT SIGN" Project Sign was an official U.S. government study of unidentified flying objects (UFOs) undertaken by the United States Air Force and active for most of 1948. Project Sign's final report, published in early 1949, stated that while some UFOs appeared to represent actual aircraft there was not enough data to determine their origin.[1] However, prior to this final report, Sign officially argued that UFOs were likely of extraterrestrial origin, and most of the project's personnel came to favor the extraterrestrial hypothesis before this opinion was rejected and Sign was dissolved and replaced with Project Grudge.[2][3] Project Sign was first disclosed to the public in 1956 via the book The Report on Unidentified Flying Objects by retired Air Force Captain Edward J. Ruppelt.[2] The full files for Sign were declassified in 1961.[4] LINK; ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************* 2; PROJECT GRUDGE; Project Grudge was a short-lived project by the U.S. Air Force to investigate unidentified flying objects (UFOs). Grudge succeeded Project Sign in February, 1949, and was then followed by Project Blue Book. The project formally ended in December 1949, but actually continued on in a minimal capacity until late 1951. The Grudge era It was announced that Grudge would take over where Sign had left off, still investigating UFO reports. But as Air Force Captain Edward J. Ruppelt would write, "In doing this, standard intelligence procedures would be used. This normally means an unbiased evaluation of intelligence data. But it doesn't take a great deal of study of the old UFO files to see that standard intelligence procedures were not being followed by Project Grudge. Everything was being evaluated on the premise that UFOs couldn't exist. No matter what you see or hear, don't believe it." (Ruppelt, 59-60, emphasis his) LINK; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Grudge#Background ************************************************** ************ Project Blue Book was one of a series of systematic studies of unidentified flying objects (UFOs) conducted by the United States Air Force. Started in 1952, it was the second revival of such a study (the first two of its kind being Projects Sign and Grudge). A termination order was given for the study in December 1969, and all activity under its auspices ceased in January 1970. Project Blue Book had two goals: to determine if UFOs were a threat to national security, and to scientifically analyze UFO-related data. LINK;
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29-06-2012, 04:32 PM
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This is part two of my previous post on the historical side of the UFO situation/subject.Here we are dealing with those UFO cases that after investigation which where carried out by the USAF project named "blue book".These cases were filled under the "UNEXPLAINABLE" or the "blue book unknowns".
Below is a summary of why these cases need to be included in any final drafts of the UFO situation.Indeed Dr James E MacDonald was to go further and actually interviewed over 200 witnesses to most of these cases and showed that "blue books" scientific investigation's,(or lack off due to its "force fit explanations"),where inadequate and insufficient for any final explanations or conclusions to be reached on most of he UFO cases they investigated. Why some might say is this of importance to the UFO situation as we find it today, well this is answered by this,these official UFO investigation's that were carried out under various projects by the USAF was wholly responsible for shaping the mind set of not just the public's perception of the UFO situation but science to. This is why science has never carried out any real investigation's or felt the need too and why this subject or situation is so viscously ridiculed ,(and those who have ET sources as a belief or view point),by the media or the public's number one manipulated spokesperson ,projects like "blue book" ended any real scientific research and also the public's acceptance of the UFO situation as regards to any POSSIBLE genuine ET origins. ************************************************** ************* THE BLUE BOOK UNKNOWNS; The unexplained UFO reports from the files of the U.S. Air Force's Project Blue Book UFO investigations. Compiled by Don Berliner, for the Fund for UFO Research. The conclusions or views expressed in this publication are the views of the author(s) and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the Fund for UFO Research, Inc. THE UNEXPLAINED UFO CASES FROM THE PROJECT BLUE BOOK FILES "In January, 1974, I visited the U.S. Air Force Archives at Maxwell AFB, Montgomery, Ala., to review the files of Project Blue Book as the first step toward writing a book on the subject. In a full week, I read all the "unexplained" cases in the original files and made extensive notes, including the names and other identifying information on all witnesses where given. The cooperation of the staff of the Archives was excellent, and no restrictions were placed on my work. A few months later, the files were withdrawn from public view so they could be prepared for transfer to the National Archives in Washington, D.C. This process involved making a Xerox copy of almost 30 file drawers of material, blacking out the names and other identifiers of all witnesses, and then microfilming the censored Xerox copy. The microfilm has been available to the public at the National Archives since 1976. The original Project Blue Book files remain under lock and key at the Archives. On almost every page of the 12,000+ case files, there are big black marks where information that could be used to cross-check Project Blue Book's controversial work has been censored. This includes the names of witnesses to widely-publicized cases, and even names in newspaper clippings! As it was perfectly legal for me to copy witness' names when I visited the Air Force Archives, those names can be found in this report of 585 (less 13 missing) unexplained cases. And since the Privacy Act, which motivated the Air Force to censor the files in the first place, does not apply to reporters or anyone else outside the Government, they can be used as the reader pleases. Inasmuch as the book I planned to write has never progressed beyond the manuscript stage, I see no reason to keep this information under wraps any longer. Perhaps it will encourage others to re-investigate cases and make the results known. "Unidentified" says a great deal...and it says almost nothing. Probably the most controversial aspect of the entire Air Force investigation of UFOs was its handling of individual cases. The means by which one case was determined to be "identified" and another "unidentified" has no doubt fueled more arguments about Project Blue Book than anything else it did. For many years, Blue Book's most vocal opponents have insisted that the standards by which cases were allegedly explained were grossly unscientific. Blue Book's goal, according to those who held it low esteem, was to attach some explanation to every case, regardless of logic or common sense. Examples of Blue Book saying a violently maneuvering disc was an aircraft, or of blaming a puzzling radar tracking on a supposedly malfunctioning radar set which it never bothered to check out, are numerous in the popular UFO literature. And they are even more numerous in the files of Project Blue Book. The urgency with which Blue Book officials tagged answers onto cases without having done the proper investigation is obvious, though not proven. But if the Air Force was so eager to label cases "identified", despite the lack of supporting evidence, then those few cases which it labeled "unidentified" presumably withstood every attempt to apply every other kind of label. And so it may be that those cases are truly unidentifiable in familiar terms. Indeed, the Air Force defines "unidentifiable" cases as those which "apparently contain all pertinent data necessary to suggest a valid hypothesis concerning the lack of explanation of the report, but the description of the object or its motion cannot be correlated with any known object or phenomenon." To meet such criteria, a report must obviously come from a reputable source, and it must not bear any resemblance to airplanes, balloons, helicopters, spacecraft, birds, clouds, stars, planets, meteors, comets, electrical phenomena, or anything else known to frequent the air, the sky, or nearby space. Unfortunately, the Air Force failed to stick to its own rules. Some of the "unidentifiable" cases most certainly can be correlated with known objects or phenomena. But most of them cannot. Moreover, many of the so-called "identified" cases cannot honestly be so correlated. But we are primarily concerned here with those cases which Project Blue Book openly admits it tried to explain and failed. The amount of detail in these cases varies enormously. Some cases - frequently those which were well publicized at the time of the event - contain considerable information, while others are vague and seriously incomplete. Project Blue Book generally placed the blame for such incompleteness on the witnesses, but it should take its own share of the responsibility. 'In thousands of cases, there is no completed questionnaire in the Project files, nor even any indication that one was sent to the witness. And in most of the instances where a questionnaire was filled out, it was never followed up to get more complete answers to questions which the witnesses failed to deal with properly. For much of the life of Project Blue Book and its predecessors, there was no satisfactory questionnaire at all. And one of those used for a lengthy period was so badly organized that a witness should not be held to blame for giving incomplete answers. Yet, despite all the roadblocks, many reports are sufficiently complete to tell a pretty clear story of a puzzling experience. With this data now available, anyone can look at Project Blue Book's "unidentified" UFO reports and make up his own mind. LINK; http://www.nicap.org/bluebook/unknowns.htm
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30-06-2012, 05:40 PM
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DR. JAMES E. McDONALD'S UFO FILES;
Here is part three of the educational aspect of the UFO situation that concentrates on the "official scientific and military investigation's" that have taken place over the years.As previously stated in previous posts the world of Ufology would take a dramatic twist when a one Dr James E MacDonald enter the the scene.He was responsible for analysing all of project "BLUE BOOKS" UFO case reports, as it states below;
"Privately, McDonald analyzed all Project Blue Book case files, convincing him that the Air Force had performed an entirely inadequate investigation, which appeared to have been more concerned with internal politics rather than real science. He also reviewed the cases of the Air Force's sponsored University of Colorado UFO study, and concluded that many of their explanations were not well founded either". Biography: link; http://www.nicap.org/bios/mcdonald.htm Dr MacDonald was far from convinced by the scientific methods undertaken and used by the "blue book" scientific and military panel that influenced the official final conclusions that where reached in the final draft that "blue book" offered to the scientific, military and media world.Now lets remember who MacDonald was. Dr James E. Mcdonald was one of the most important figures ever in the history of Ufology he gave this subject a much needed shot in the arm of credibility, he was also the Senior Physicist at the Institute for Atmospherical Physics and Professor at the Department of Meteorology at the University of Arizona. He was never shy in making his feelings known about the reliability (and intellectual honesty) of certain 'government conclusions and explanations' regarding specific UFO incidents.Recently a whole library of many (unseen or forgotten UFO files and research documents were found that where kept and preserved by his family at his home in Tucson,Arizona for over twenty five years. As this quote below shows;DR. JAMES E. McDONALD'S UFO FILES ; quote; "The voluminous UFO research files of a fearless scientist. Dr. James E. McDonald, have lain in a special "UFO room" at his home in Tucson, Arizona for twenty-five years, lovingly protected by members of his family. McDonald was a high-profile contributor to scientific UFO research, beginning in the Spring of 1966 and continuing until his tragic death in June 1971. Jim McDonald was a top atmospheric physicist. His official title was "Senior Physicist" at the Institute of Atmospheric Physics (IAP) at the University of Arizona in Tucson." link; http://www.anndruffel.com/articles/u...dsufofiles.htm There was even a programme made about his extensive researched UFO library that contain official and classified UFO documents that seemed to indicate a real unexplainable reality of a higher percentage of those UFO reports that where NOT released by "blue book" to the scientific community of that time, these files where later to know by the name of "blue books unknowns". As it sates below in the quote and video; THE LOST UFO FILES: quote; "What secrets lie buried in the never-before-seen files of a famous UFO investigator? In the early 1950's, James McDonald, a senior physicist at the University of Arizona, changed the entire course of UFO research. For nearly 20 years he examined UFO reports in great detail - interviewing over 500 witnesses, uncovering important government documents, and testifying before Congress in 1968. He challenged skeptics, performed scientific analysis, and led the charge for UFOs to be properly studied. After his tragic death in 1971, his investigations and files were sent to the University archives, where they lay dormant...until now. The team brings these lost UFO files back into the public eye for the first time on television, and looks at evidence long thought lost to history." For further reading and study these links below are appropriate; Links: Bio: en.wikipedia.org... www.theblackvault.com... Documents: www.gonogging.com... FBI File: www.cufon.org...  James Edward McDonald received his Ph.D. in physics from Iowa State University in 1951, then worked there as an assistant professor in meteorology. He was a research physicist in the University of Chicago's department of meteorology (1953-54). In 1954 he joined the University of Arizona faculty, first as an associate professor (1954-56), then as a full professor in the department of meteorology (1956-71). McDonald was also a senior physicist in the University's Institute of Atmospheric Physics, and served as both associate director (1954-56) and scientific director (1956-57). He also advised numerous federal agencies, including the National Science Foundation, The Office of Naval Research, the National Academy of Sciences, and the Environmental Science Service Administration. During the mid-late 1960s, McDonald became intensively involved in UFO research, interviewing hundreds of UFO witnesses and lecturing widely on the subject to professional societies. His talks emphasized the need for a serious scientific study, adding that he considered the best reports to be evidence of extraterrestrial visitation. He also played an important role in Congressional UFO hearings in 1968. Privately, McDonald analyzed all Project Blue Book case files, convincing him that the Air Force had performed an entirely inadequate investigation, which appeared to have been more concerned with internal politics rather than real science. He also reviewed the cases of the Air Force's sponsored University of Colorado UFO study, and concluded that many of their explanations were not well founded either. McDonald left no book but privately published many monographs based on his lecture presentations, some of which are included below. Monographs ; Science in Default - 22 Years of Inadequate UFO Investigations The Problem of Unidentified Flying Objects Meteorological Factors in Unidentified Radar Returns UFOs And The Condon Report - A Scientist's Critique Statement on UFOs - Hearings Before The Committee on Science and Astronautics Committee on Science and Astronautics, "Symposium on Unidentified Flying Objects -- Hearings Before The Committee on Science And Astronautics," U.S. House of Representatives, 19th Congress, Second Session, July 29, 1968. McDonald Credentials compiled by Val Germann Born: Duluth, Minnesota, May 7, 1920. B.A., Chemistry, University of Omaha, 1942. M.A., Meteorology, M.I.T., 1945. Ph.D., U.S. Navy, Intelligence & aerology, 1942-45. Instructor, Physics, Iowa State University, 1946-49. Physics, Iowa State University, 1951. Assistant Professor, Physics, Iowa State University, 1950-53. Research Physicist, Cloud Physics, Univ. of Chicago, 1953-54. Associate Prof., Physics, Univ. of Arizona, 1954-56. Full Professor,, Physics, Univ. of Arizona, 1956-57. Senior Physicist, Inst. of Atmospheric Studies, 1958 - 1971. Member, Weather Modification Panel, NAS, 1965 - 1971. Member, Navy Stormfury Advisory Panel, 1966 - 1971. Member, NSF Weather Modification Panel, 1967 - 1971. Member, AAAS, American Meteorological Society, Sigma Xi, American Geophysical Society, American Society of University Professors. Married, Six Children
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FBI FILE OF DR. JAMES E. McDONALD;
Here are some FOIA FBI documents on that show Dr MacDonald was on the FBIs radar of the ones to watch or keep an eye on.Clearly the FBI where monitoring MacDonald due to his outspoken views on not only the UFO situation but by attacking the official stance and final conclusions that where reached by the academics and military intelligences of the scientific inadequacies that determined their conclusions.Below is some of these documents and the source links for further reading and study.
FBI FILE OF DR. JAMES E. McDONALD;  1-January-1999; quote; "Through the Freedom of Information Act, we have obtained a portion of the files the Federal Bureau of Investigation was maintaining on Dr. James McDonald, widely held to be the most effective "establishment" scientist to take a public interest in UFO. We want to make clear right up front, that we have made this material available not to embarrass, to impugn the memory, or tarnish the accomplishments of Dr. McDonald, but to provide an insight to the workings of the FBI as relates to an effective scientist who was an outspoken man of conscience and happened to have an interest in UFO. What we received just before Christmas 1998, was but a few pages, and it is certain from references in these documents and from the small number of pages released, that only a part of the files on Dr. McDonald being maintained by the FBI were released. The 29 pages we received had been previously processed and released to another (FOIA) requestor, so the searches we specifically requested that the FBI do under the provisions of the FOIA as amended were not made. These FBI files, many of which have been released recently even as the FBI and other agencies destroy historical documents en masse, usually concentrate on possible communist associations, leanings or thoughts of a person. It's always amazing to us how many of a person's co-workers, neighbors, friends and acquaintances the FBI interviews to get the material for the files. This is the general nature of most of the material in this file also, but at least one very interesting item is revealed. For one redacted paragraph, the FBI cites the exemption "(b) (1)," a subsection of Title 5, U.S.C., Section 552 (FOIA): "specifically authorized under criteria established by an Executive Order to be kept secret in the interest of national defense or foreign policy..." That paragraph, from a May 26, 1969 Memo to the Director of the FBI from the Phoenix FBI office is: "As set put in the LHM, the subject is a prominent Atmospheric Physicist and is becoming well known publicly for his belief that Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOs) are extraterrestrial and are real. [ 25 Chars Blacked ] [ 7 Lines Blacked] [ 24 Chars Blacked ] {(S)} {b1}" We would certainly like to see what the material deleted from this paragraph is and how it relates to national security. A big "thank you" goes to Michael Ravnitzky - a serious student and user of the FOIA - whose advice allowed us to obtain this file, and has helped on other FOIA submissions also. Some of Michael's FOIA results can be viewed at SECRET NO MORE, a web site where a compilation of high-profile and historically significant FBI files is posted. Michael urges all interested parties to file with the FBI to obtain files before they are lost forever due to destruction by the FBI. CUFON notes that, to some extent, older files being held by any federal agency are in similar peril. - Jim Klotz, CUFON SYSOP; TEXT NOTES: = = = = = = = indicates a page break Items in [ Square Brackets ] are comments [ 23 Chars ] = a blackout of approximately 23 characters length [ 2 Lines ] = a blackout of 2 full lines of text; OPTIONAL FORM NO. 10 MAY 1962 EDITION GSA FPMR (41 CFR) 901-11.8 UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT Memorandum SECRET TO : DIRECTOR, FBI (105-NEW) DATE: 3/24/69 FROM: SAC, NEW YORK (105-NEW) (P) SUBJECT: J. E. MC DONALD {10-24-97} {b1} [ ] {(S)} CLASSIFIED BY {SP2ACM/BMP} (00: PHOENIX) DECLASSIFY ON: 25X {1,6} {#887,961} [ 8 lines Blacked ] {(S)} [ 3 Lines Blacked ] {(S)} [ 24 chars Blacked ] [ 2 Lines Blacked ] [ 3 Lines Blacked ] {(S)} [ 2 1/2 Lines Blacked ] EX-105 MCT-19 {105} 191677 3-BUREAU (105-NEW) (RM) {b1}[ 23 Chars Blacked ] {(S)} REC-31 MAR 26 1969 3-PHOENIX (105-NEW) (RM) {b1}[ 28 Chars Blacked ] [ 30 Chars Blacked ] {(S)} 1-New York EJM: bll [ 16 Chars Blacked ] {(S)} (8) [ 16 Chars Blacked ] SECRET 56 APR 9 1969 Buy U.S. Savings Bonds Regularly on the Payroll Savings Plan UNRECORDED COPY FILED IN [ 28 Chars Blacked ] {(S)} = = = = = = = NEW YORK (105-NEW) SECRET {b1} [ 17 lines Blacked ] {(S)} [ 20 Chars Blacked ] [ 6 lines of 19 Chars Blacked ] {(S)} NYO indices contain no information identifiable with Professor J. E . MC DONALD. {b1} [ 10 lines Blacked ] {(S)} - 2 - SECRET = = = = = = NY 105-NEW SECRET {b1} [ 4 1/4 lines Blacked ] {(S)} {b1} [ 6 Lines Blacked ] [ 16 Chars Blacked ] {(S)} - 3 - SECRET = = = = = = = = = = = = SAC, Phoenix (100-6252) SECRET 6/23/69 1 - Mr. C.D. DeLoach REC-124 1 - Mr. W.C. Sullivan Director, FBI (105-191677) {-2} 1 - Mr. W.A. Branigan 1 - [ 15 Char Blacked ] PROFESSOR JAMES EDWARD MC DONALD {b1} [ 7 Chars Blacked ] {(S)} 2-12-98 CLASSIFIED BY {SP2ACM/BMP} DECLASSIFY ON: 25x {1,6} Reurlet 5/26/69. {#389,961} {b7D} In accordance with your request authority is granted to interview [ 25 Chars Blacked ] Explain to [ 13 Char Blacked ] that we are not interested in legitimate educational contacts and functions. Interview of [ 8 Chars Blacked ] should be [ 28 Chars Blacked ] of the University of Arizona. Furnish results in form for dissemination. {b7D} Attention is called to the fact that [ 13 Chars Blacked ] was interviewed 2/20/62 concerning the subject as set out [ 20 Chars Blacked ] on the subject. {b1} [ 3 Lines Blacked ] {(S)} LML:mst/lis {lis} (7) NOTE: Based on memorandum W. A. Branigan to Mr. W.C. Sullivan, captioned as above, dated 6/{20}/69, prepared by LML:mst/{SC}s. ALL INFORMATION CONTAINED HEREIN IS UNCLASSIFIED EXCEPT WHERE SHOWN OTHERWISE. MAILED 20 JUN 23 1969 COMM-FBI 59 JUL 11 1969 SECRET = = = = = = OPTIONAL FORM NO. 10 10 MAY 1962 EDITION GSA FPMR (41 CFR) 901-11.8 UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT Memorandum TO DIRECTOR, FBI DATE: 5/26/69 FROM: SAC, PHOENIX (100-6252) (P) SECRET SUBJECT: CHANGED PROFESSOR JAMES EDWARD MC DONALD, aka J. E. MC DONALD {b1} [ 5 CHAR] {(S)} 00: Phoenix ALL INFORMATION CONTAINED HEREIN IS UNCLASSIFIED EXCEPT WHERE SHOWN OTHERWISE. The title of this communication is marked CHANGED to add the full name of the subject as shown in University of Arizona (UA) records. {105-191677-1} {b1} Re New York let to Bureau, 3/24/69, entitled, "J.E. MC DONALD; [ 7 char ] {(S)} Report of SA [ 13 char ] dated 5/19/69, at Phoenix, entitled, [ 20 char ] aka [ 43 char ] SM-SDS." [ 14 char] {b7C} Enclosed herewith for the Bureau are ten copies of a letterhead memorandum (LHM) entitled "PROFESSOR JAMES EDWARD MC DONALD, Senior Physicist, Institute of Atmospheric Physics, University of Arizona, Tucson, Arizona." Enclosed for New York are two copies of the above LHM and one copy of above referenced report on the subject's [ 25 char ] {b7C} Informants File Location {b7D}[ 17 char ] [ 15 char ] {b7D} {b7D} [ 18 char ] [20 char ] 4 - Bureau (Enc. 10) (RM) REC-15 [ 14 char ] [ 7 char ] {(S)} {b1} 3 - New York (Enc. 3) (RM) 2 - Phoenix RPP:gjk MCT-19 {105-191577-2} {Hold Dissemination} TO MAY 191969 {lml 6-24-69} {10-28-97} CLASSIFIED BY {SP2ALM/BMD} DECLASSIFY ON: 25X {1,6} {#367,961} SECRET [ 6 - 15 Char Lines ] [ Chars Blacked ] {(S)} {b1} Buy U.S. Savings Bonds Regularly on the Payroll Savings Plan = = = = = = = PX 100-6252 RPP:gjk SECRET [ 1 Line Blacked ] {b7d} UA, Tucson, is a long-time established reliable sources, contacted by SA [ 20 chars Blacked ] {b7C} The LHM is classified CONFIDENTIAL, as disclosure of information therein from the above live informants could reasonably result in their identification, thereby jeopardizing their future effectiveness. As set put in the LHM, the subject is a prominent Atmospheric Physicist and is becoming well known publicly for his belief that Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOs) are extraterrestrial and are real. [ 25 Chars Blacked ] [ 7 Lines Blacked] [ 24 Chars Blacked ] {(S)} {b1} It appears that Professor's MC DONALD's letter to [ 6 chars ] {(S)} (contents of which are not known) might have in itself been innocuous, sincere contact on the part of Professor MC DONALD; however, in view of his background [ 46 chars ]" activities in the Tucson area. [ 55 Chars ] [ 2 Lines ] [ 18 chars ] {(S)} {b1} At this point it is not known whether Professor MC DONALD would be at all cooperative in an interview. Professor MC DONALD's [ 26 Chars ] [ 3 Lines ] {b7D } [ 47 Chars ] all at the UA. He is considered a highly respected scientist and teacher, [ 25 Chars ] and it is believed he would be -2- SECRET = = = = = = = PX 100-6252 RPP:gjk SECRET Completely cooperative and reliable in any authorized interview concerning this matter. Therefore, bureau authority is requested for an interview [ 17 chars ] along the following lines. 1. [ 44 Chars ] [ 2 Lines ] {b1} {(S)} 2. [ 48 Chars ] {b1} [ 1 Line ] [ 22 Chars ] {(S)} 3. His evaluation of Professor MC Donald so far as his loyalty is concerned and his opinion as to whether Professor MC DONALD would be amenable to interview. On 5/20/69, [ 33 Chars ] University of Arizona, a long-time established reliable source, interviewed By SA [ 21 Chars ], concerning various SDS members at the UA, including subject [ 29 Char ] {b7D} commented that he recently received information that Professor JAMES E. MC DONALD is "disenchanted" with [ 29 Chars ] activities and [ 45 Chars ] young Hippie proteges. This information has not yet been confirmed through other sources; however, if true, it should have some bearing on MC DONALD's cooperation in any interview. -3- SECRET = = = = = = = [ FBI Seal ] UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION In Reply, please refer to Phoenix, Arizona File No. May 26, 1969 CONFIDENTIAL PROFESSOR JAMES EDWARD MC DONALD Senior Physicist, Institute of Atmospheric Physics (UA) Tucson, Arizona The current Student and Faculty Directory for the University of Arizona (UA), Tucson, Arizona, for the 1968-1969 academic year, lists "James E. Mc Donald, Ph.D., Senior Physicist, Institute of Atmospheric Physics and Professor, Meteorology Department, residence, [ 8 Chars ] {b7C} Third Street, Tucson." On April 11, 1969, [ 45 Chars ] UA, Tucson, made available records which show the following: James Edward Mc Donald was employed at the University, April 1, 1954, as Associate Director, Institute of Atmospheric Physics, and Associate Professor of Physics. On July 1, 1956, his title was changed to Scientific Director, Institute of Atmospheric Physics, and Associate Professor of Physics. On July 1, 1957, his title was changed to Senior Physicist, Institute of Atmospheric Physics; Professor of Meteorology; these are the positions he now holds. The records show he was born May 7, 1920, at Duluth, Minnesota. He attended the University of Omaha from 1938 to 1942, receiving a Bachelor of Arts degree in 1942. He attended Massachusetts of technology from 1943 to 1945, receiving CONFIDENTIAL DECLASSIFIED BY {SP2ACM/BMD" Group 1 C.I. {10-24-97} Excluded from Automatic {#387,961} downgrading and declassification ENCLOSURE {105-191677-2} = = = = = = = CONFIDENTIAL PROFESSOR JAMES EDWARD MC DONALD A Master of Science degree in 1945. He attended Iowa State from 1946 to 1951, receiving his doctorate in 1951. The records show that he was on Sabbatical Leave from July 1, 1963 to December 31, 1963. In his application for this leave, dated April 12, 1963, he said, "I will continue working on research and affairs of Naval research Contract # NR-082-164." He stated his main reason for applying for Sabbatical Leave was to write up already completed research for publication. His salary as of may 18, 1969, was $21,000 per year. The records show that he currently resides at [ 7 Chars ] Third Street, Tucson, [ 34 Chars ] {b7C} [ 40 Char Line ] various anti-Vietnam War and anti-draft groups in the Tucson area since at least 1966 [ 34 Chars ] {b7C} [ 22 Chars ] Peace and Freedom Association (PFA) and of the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) in Tucson. [ 17 Chars ] {b7D b2} The SDS is characterized in the Appendix. Concerning the PFA, the March 16, 1968 edition of "The Tucson Daily Citizen," a daily newspaper published in Tucson Arizona, carried an article which stated, in part, as follows: "The formation of Peace and Freedom Associations, a coalition of local groups dedicated to end the war in Vietnam and to ending racial injustice at home, was announced today. The center will serve as a communications interchange between local and national peace groups and will be the focal point of local efforts -2- CONFIDENTIAL = = = = = = = CONFIDENTIAL PROFESSOR JAMES EDWARD MC DONALD against the Vietnam War." A list of member organizations set out in the article included the SDS above. On October 18, 1968, [ 15 Chars ] at a meeting of the PFA in Tucson, reported {b7C} [ 26 Chars ] attendance at a convention of the SDS at Boulder, Colorado. [ 17 Chars ] {b7D} A bulletin put out by the Tucson Peace center (TPC) and received through the mail, February 7, 1968, advertised the fact that on February 8, 1968, there would be a public meeting where Dr. James E. Mc Donald would speak on the subject of napalm. The bulletin described Mc Donald as "Professor of Atmospheric physics at the University of Arizona and Consultant to the Peace center." [ 16 Chars ] {b7D} On February 18, 1969, [ 5 Chars ] {b7D} advised that an accurate summary of the aims and purposes of the TPC was set out in a mimeograph letter dated October 22, 1968, from the TPC President and sent to all persons on the TPC mailing list. This letter stated in part, "The Tucson Peace center serves as a clearing house for information on peace activities and programs in the Tucson area." The source said the TPC has never at any time advocated the use of violence in demonstrations or protests. On May 20, 1969, [ 6 Chars ] {b7D} advised that although professor James E. Mc Donald possibly [ 54 Chars ] groups in the Tucson area, he very seldom [ 21 Chars ] of these activities and has taken very little part in such activities. -3- CONFIDENTIAL = = = = = = = = CONFIDENTIAL PROFESSOR JAMES EDWARD MC DONALD The July 27, 1968 edition of the "Arizona Daily Star," a newspaper published daily in Tucson, Arizona, carried the following article. - - [ Page consists of actual copy of newspaper clipping ] UA Physicist To Spur Scientific UFO Probe Will Appear Before house Committee By JUDY DONOVAN A University of Arizona physicist will attempt to spur an extensive scientific investigation of Unidentified Flying Objects when he appears Monday before a congressional hearing in Washington D.C. Dr James E. McDonald, senior physicist at the university's Institute of Atmospheric Physics, said a thorough investigation of UFOs is long overdue. Twenty years have passed since the objects first attracted public attention, he said, and officialdom is still taking a, "ho-hum" attitude toward the matter. "UFOs constitute an extraordinary important scientific problem, the greatest of these times, and it has been shoved under the rug," he remarked. The UA physicist who is appearing with five other scientists from around the United States will present testimony before the U.S. House of representatives Committee on Science and Astronautics. McDonald said rep. Morris K. Udall was highly instrumental if efforts to arrange for the special unidentified Flying objects Symposium. McDonald is organizing the bulk of his presentation around a set of typical questions people ask about UFOs, such as, "Why they aren't picked up on radar?," and "Why don't they contact us?" He will include examples of what he termed "scientifically ludicrous explanations" that hinge on some scientists' meteorological and atmospheric physical weather explanations for UFOs. "I particularly take issue with Dr. Donald H. Menzel, former director of Harvard Observatory, who had written two books on UFOs and mainly explains them away as meteorological phenomena. Another work that can't be taken seriously is a recent book by Philip Klass, senior editor of Aviation Week Magazine, which purports that UFOs are meteorologically generated plasmas of the ball lightning type. -4- CONFIDENTIAL CONFIDENTIAL PROFESSOR JAMES EDWARD MC DONALD The April 6, 1969 edition of the "Arizona Daily Star" carried the following article: - - [ Page consists of actual copy of newspaper clipping ] UA Prof Will Challenge Condon Report On UFO's 2-24-2 UA PROF PAGE 5A The Condon report on unidentified flying objects will be challenged before the Vandenburg Chapter, American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics, by Dr. James E. McDonald when he speaks at Vandenburg Air Force Base Friday. The senior physicist of the University of Arizona's Institute of Atmospheric Physics will speak on "UFOs and the Condon report: A Dissenting View." As a dissenter, Dr. McDonald expects to stress the fact that the Condon report covers only a "minute fraction" of the significant cases available for study. From his studies of several years Dr. McDonald believes that UFO's are probably extraterrestrial and are real. His talk at the air force base in California will be the first in a series of 15 lectures he will give in the next 12 months to members of the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics in Oklahoma, California, Arizona, Iowa, Washington, D.C., Missouri, Minnesota and Pennsylvania. -5- CONFIDENTIAL = = = = = = = = CONFIDENTIAL PROFESSOR JAMES EDWARD MC DONALD link; http://www.cufon.org/cufon/fbimcdon.htm
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Valentich files released by Australian Government
To this day this case remains the most baffling case of missing aircraft and pilot, the Australian government has recently just released their classified documents on it.
************************************************** ************* Valentich files released by Australian Government;1978;  Introduction: The disappearance of Australian pilot Frederick Valentich, on 21 October 1978, over Bass Strait, Australia, has always intrigued global UFO researchers. Valentich, flying a light aircraft, registration VH-DSJ, disappeared on a flight from Moorabbin airport, Melbourne, Victoria, to King Island in Bass Strait. Neither he, nor his aircraft, have been seen since. He reported seeing an unusual object in the sky, during the flight.  text below of conversation between pilot and control tower where the pilot is describing the object as metallic looking;  then pilot of aircraft looses contact with control tower and is reported missing;     Government documentation: After the event, the Australian Government's Department of Transport released a three page "Aircraft Accident Investigation Summary Report" dated 27 Apr 1982. In part 7 of that document, headed "Opinion as to cause" the Department stated "The reason for the disappearance of the aircraft has not been determined." The file reference on this document was V116/783/1047. Search for access to V116/783/1047: In 1982 Australian UFO researcher Bill Chalker examined Department of Transport UFO files "...but was specifically denied access to the Valentich files on the grounds that they were Air Accident Investigation files and not UFO files." (Chalker, Bill. 1996. The Oz Files. Duffy & Snellgrove. Potts Point, NSW. Page 170.) In 2004 I submitted a Freedom of Information request to the Department of transport. Part of the request was for access to file V116/783/1047. The Department advised me that they understood that the file had been destroyed by the National Archives of Australia (NAA.) I reviewed the NAA website's electronic database RecordSearch and found no record of the file. However, I understood that only some 10% of the files held by the NAA were on RecordSearch. In October 2011, during a routine look at RecordSearch, I discovered that this file was now listed as file series B1497 control symbol V116/783/1047, title "DSJ-Cape Otway to King Island 21 October 1978 - Aircraft missing (Valentich) 1978-1992" barcode 10491375. It was shown as held by the Melbourne office of the NAA. However the status of the file was shown as "closed." Despite this status, I submitted a request for access to the file, reasoning that by 2012 the papers on the file dated 1978-1981 should now be publicly available. Another file emerges: In the meantime, Andrew Arnold, and his team, of the Melbourne based group, Victorian UFO Action, had been researching the Valentich case. Andrew found that there was another relevant file. This was file series A4703 control symbol 1978/1205 titled "VH-DSJ- Light aircraft overdue King Island." It was barcode 11485989 and held by the Canberra office of the NAA. The originating agency shown in NAA Notes was Department of Transport, Head Office, Canberra and Melbourne, Emergency & Special Services Branch. Andrew submitted a request for access to this file. Another file emerges: In the meantime, Andrew Arnold, and his team, of the Melbourne based group, Victorian UFO Action, had been researching the Valentich case. Andrew found that there was another relevant file. This was file series A4703 control symbol 1978/1205 titled "VH-DSJ- Light aircraft overdue King Island." It was barcode 11485989 and held by the Canberra office of the NAA. The originating agency shown in NAA Notes was Department of Transport, Head Office, Canberra and Melbourne, Emergency & Special Services Branch. Andrew submitted a request for access to this file. What does this A4703 file say about UFOs? This file, of 292 pages was opened by the Marine Operations Centre and is a MARSAR (Marine search and rescue) file. The file cover indicates that both air searches and sea searches were conducted. The incident was opened on 21 Oct 78 and closed on 25 Oct 78. Authorities involved were the Victorian Police at King Island, Hobart and Lakes Entrance, plus the Department of Defence. The file contains a two page narrative summary which gives an excellent overview of the incident, which commences: "1. Airways Operations Melbourne advised that a Distress phase had been initiated on a Cessna 182 overdue at King island on a flight from Moorabbin to King Island. The aircraft had reported a rough running engine prior to communications being lost." In part the summary reads "S.SOC AMML said the aircraft reported seeing things (perhaps a UFO) shortly after departing Cape Otway at 0903Z..." Later "16. A number of reports of a fast moving brilliant white light were received from various parts of the country. Mt Stromlo observatory advised that the night of the 21st was the peak of the meteorite stream with 10-15 sightings per hour achieved." "21. At 250900Z the search for the aircraft was terminated with no sighting of aircraft, wreckage or body made despite intensive search in a small area." "22. As a postscript to this mystery, wreckage was reported off Lakes Entrance, checked by Police but was not relevant to this search. The pilot's father believed that a UFO had taken his son and would re(rest of word illegible) him later. The accident received wide newspaper and television cover because of the UFO connection." I counted ten references to "UFO" on the rest of the file. These included a report from aircraft VH-DRB enroute Tenannt Creek to Darwin who saw a brilliant white light for 3-4 secs. File V116/783/1047: This file was released to me by the NAA a few days ago. The key document on this 315 page file is folio 103. This is actually 64 pages long, and is a report from the Director, Victoria/Tasmania Region dated 20 Oct 1981, addressed to AS(SI). It consists of a one page "Air Safety Investigation Minute" and 63 pages of report. Documents include: * Chart of the intended flight path * Aircraft data * Flight crew data * Flight data * Meteorological data * A sequence of events * An analysis of the cause * Attachments. The attachments include notes of conversations between Departmental investigators and: * The Moorabbin briefing officer * The person who refuelled VH-DSJ that night * The Departmental OIC, King Island * A cray fisherman from King Island * The mess officer, ATC HQ * An individual who flew VH-DSJ that morning * Valentich's pilot tutor * Valentich's father * Valentich's girlfriend * A close friend of Valentich * An employee of Southern Air Services (SAS - whose aircraft it was) * Four SAS instructors/pilots. The attachments also include: * A radar plot from Melbourne Flight Services * An analysis of the radar returns from that time * Valentich's flight plan * A transcript of recorded communications between DSJ and Melbourne Flight Services which covers a greater time frame than that of the publicly released document from 1982 * A chart showing radio coverage at various heights and various distances from Melbourne * A confidential personal history of Valentich * A summary based on information from the RAAF * Valentich's commercial pilot licence examination details * Details of DSJ's radio equipment * Weather forecasts for the area * Best estimate of weather along the flight path * A report on water samples ex Bass Strait by the Department of Defence Materials Research Laboratories * A specialist report from a doctor on Human Factors Aspects * A report on an aircraft towing a glide near Apollo Bay * A UFO report from an individual * A report on a shower of metallic "scintillations" seen in the sky. The report's top page, in section 7, "Opinion as to cause" simply states "Not determined - aircraft missing." The covering "Air Safety Investigation Minute" para 3, states " The Region does not intend to take any further action in this matter unless positive factual evidence is obtained." Read the digitised file for yourself: You can read the file, as released to me, by: 1. Go to http://www.naa.gov.au/ 2. Click on "search the collection" 3. Click on "begin your search" 4. Up comes "RecordSearch" 5. In the keywords box type the word Valentich 6. Click on search 7. Up comes a list 8. Scroll down to V116/783/1047 9. Click on this entry 10. Click on digital file 11. Up comes the file. link; http://ufos-scientificresearch.blogspot.co.uk/
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Here is the official documents regarding the disappearance of of Australian pilot Frederick Valentich, on 21 October 1978, over Bass Strait, Australia;
************************************************** ************* Australian pilot Frederick Valentich;     quote; "Character assassination is often a strategy employed to deflect the truth and construct alternative possibilities....however in this case, the weight of evidence supporting unknown intervention and the authenticity of Frederick Valentich's final words stand alone". These words below from the pilot are haunting. "…that strange aircraft is hovering on top of me again… it is hovering and it's not an aircraft."  Awesome or Off-Putting is a weekly delve into cryptozoology, ufology, aliens, medical marvels, scientific wonders, secret societies, government conspiracies, cults, ghosts, EVPs, myths, ancient artifacts, religion, strange facts or just the plain unexplainable. This week: UFOs Ol' h-spray's brought you an awful lot of weird UFO stories, but as interesting as they've been they are rarely documented with anything concrete. As UFO reports generally go – you kinda have to take the word of however many witnesses who claim to have been there. This week though – this week we have a concrete government written depiction of Frederick Valentich's complete and total disappearance – airplane and all. The report is a dialogue 20 year old pilot Valentich had with an air control tower. He was reporting a strange craft orbiting around him: "…that strange aircraft is hovering on top of me again… it is hovering and it's not an aircraft." ************************************************** ************* Below is a summary of this outstanding case; "On October 21, 1978 Frederick Valentich submitted a night-flight plan for a trip from Moorabbin to King Island and back. 20-year-old Valentich had a private pilot license, and was fully qualified for night-flight. He flew a Cessna model 182. Obviously Valentich was quite young, thus not the most experienced pilot in Australia. The flight he was taking has even been described as a 'training' flight. Skeptics use this information to discredit the UFO aspect – but that UFO aspect is very hard to discredit after reading the Valentich/air control tower transcript. At 1906 hours Valentich began corresponding with air traffic control – more specifically with an air traffic controller named Steve Robey. Part of the transcript reads": "Robey: Delta Sierra Juliet, and you confirm you cannot identify the aircraft? Valentich: Affirmative. Robey: Delta Sierra Juliet, roger, stand by. Valentich: Melbourne, Delta Sierra Juliet, it's not an aircraft it is (open microphone for two seconds). Robey: Delta Sierra Juliet, can you describe the -er- aircraft? Valentich: Delta Sierra Juliet, as it's flying past it's a long shape (open microphone for three seconds) cannot identify more than it has such speed (open microphone for three seconds). It's before me right now Melbourne." Clearly an event as strange and peculiar as this one would have its supporters and its detractors. The naysayers make a surprisingly decent argument – they say Valentich got disoriented, flipped upside down, and saw the lights of his own reflection in the water below him – thinking it to be unidentifiable. A pilot getting disoriented and turning upside down isn't uncommon – even for experienced pilots. And Valentich was relatively new at the flying game. If that was the case though, and the young flyboy did get flipped around and confused – wouldn't he have just seen an airplane's reflection? Why would he keep saying '…it's not an aircraft'? On top of that – he'd made that exact run several times in the past – implying it should have been pretty routine for him. Valentich's last transmission was: "…that strange aircraft is hovering on top of me again…it is hovering and it's not an aircraft." It was followed by 17 seconds of open microphone. Steve Robey – the other end of the radio – says the 17 seconds weren't empty. He claims he heard the sound of metal scraping on metal. Is that what a UFO sucking up an airplane would sound like? Possibly. Would a plane crash be slow enough to actually hear scraping sounds? It's a mystery – but a mystery with alleged witnesses. According to the Victorian UFO Research Society: "Frederick Valentich was not the only person who reported a strange object over and near Bass Strait that day and night. Researchers have found over fifty reported observations in that area which occurred before, during and after his encounter." So what happened to Valentich? Nobody is sure – his body and plane were never found. The only thing we know for sure is the search for him ended with this statement: "The reason for the disappearance of the aircraft has not been determined." The actual Aircraft Accident Investigation Summary Report by the Commonwealth of Australia's Department of Transport is below. It's in three pages, obviously. Just click for a bigger image… link; http://www.hecklerspray.com/awesome-...e/20077722.php
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Classic High Strangenes Cases;THE TEHERAN 1976 CAS
This section will be concentrating on those UFO cases that contain "HIGH LEVELS OF STRANGENESS" those cases that after official investigation's no mundane or known criteria was able to offer any concrete explanations.The classic high strangeness case below involving an UFO and a F16 jet fighter over the skies of Teheran in 1976, indeed this case was fully investigated by the agencies of the US military and governmental intelligence branches and was labelled a truly outstanding case by the US intelligence.
************************************************** ************* "A declassified document related to the famous Teheran UFO and jet fighter encounter in 1976. "This is a capital case, acknowleged by a US intelligence agency, where a UFO encountered an aircraft, and reacted in a superior ant intelligent manner to the aircraft's interception attempt by shutting down temporarily the aircraft's weapons system." "The DIA evaluation termed this "An outstanding report. This case is a classic which meets all the criteria necessary for a valid study of the UFO phenomenon." The analysis called the UFO performance "awesome," noting that the objects displayed "an inordinate amount of maneuverability." "The Pentagon's Defense Intelligence Agency describes the case as "An outstanding report. This case is a classic which meets all the criteria necessary for a valid study of the UFO phenomenon." and recipients of the report included the Chief of Staff of the Air Force, the Chief of Staff of the Army, the Central Intelligence Agency, the National Security Agency, the Secretary of State, the Deputy Undersecretary of Defense, the White House and the Chief of Naval Operations". REFERENCES: Title: DIA Defense Information Evaluation Report IR No. 6846013976 To: Censored; Author: Major Roland B. Evans, USAF, Military Capability Analyst. Date: September 22, 1976 Length: 5 pages. Classification: Top secret, Declassified CC: None. Document One;  Document Two;  Document Three;  Document Four;  link; http://ufologie.patrickgross.org/htm/foia18.htm
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Peruvian Air Force pilot shoots at UFO.1980;
Staying on the "high strangeness" topic that are involved in UFO cases here is another case that's origins remain unknown.Below is some text from the U.S. Department of Defense document.
************************************************** *************  quote; "Commander with the Peruvian Air Force (FAP), Ret. Specialization as an Air Force fighter jet pilot. In 1980, while a FAP Lieutenant, he encountered a UFO while flying his SU-22 "SUKOI" jet over the La Joya Military Base. He fired at the object, strafing it with sixty-four 30mm rounds, but the UFO remained unaffected. A US Department of Defense document for the CIA and the NSA, titled “UFO Sighted in Peru,” describes the incident. “The Peruvian Air Force tried to intercept and destroy the UFO, but without success," it states, adding that the vehicle’s origin remains unknown. CMDT Santa Maris is currently a Flight Safety and Accident Prevention Consultant for the airline industry". link; http://www.freedomofinfo.org/national_press.htm ************************************************** ************* Peruvian Air Force Commander Oscar Alfonso Huertas taking to the Press Club; ************************************************** ************* Document #: 36 From: UFO INFO SERVICE Date Sent: 09-22-1986 Subject: 1980 BRAZILIAN FOIA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT DOCUMENT FILES --------------------------------------------------------------------------- DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE Joint Chiefs of Staff Message Center RECEIVED JUN - 3 1980 VZOZCMLT565 7YUW MULT DIA RT3 - 2B ACTION 18134 DIA: DISTR IADB(01) J5(02) JE:NMCC NIDS SECDEF(07) SECDEF: USDP(15) ATSD:AE(01) ASD:PA&E(01) : IA(20) NMIC - CMC CC WASHINGTON DC - CSAF WASHINGTON DC - CNO WASHINGTON DC - CSA WASHINGTON DC - CIA WASHINGTON DC - SFCSTATE WASHINGTON DC - NSA WASH DC FILE (047) TRANSIT/1542115/1542207/0001525941542204 DE RUESLMA #4888 1542115 7NY CCCCC R 0220527 JUN 80 FM USDAD LIMA PERU TO RUEKJCS/DIA WASHDC INFO RULPALJ/USCINCSO QUARRY HTS PN RULPAFA/USAFSO HOWARD AFB PN BT SUBJ: IR 6 876 0146 80 (U) THIS IS AN INFO REPORT, NOT FINALLY EVAL INTEL 1. (U) CTRY: PERU (PE) 2. TITLE (U) UFO SIGHTED IN PERU (U) 3. (U) DATE OF INFO: 800510 4. (U) ORIG: USDAD AIR LIMA PERU 5. (U) REQ REFS: Z-D13-PE030 6. (U) SOURCE: 6 876 0138. OFFICER IN THE PERUVIAN AIR FORCE WHO OBSERVED THE EVENT AND IS IN A POSITION TO BE PARTY TO CONVERSATION CONCERNING THE EVENT. SOURCE HAS REPORTED RELIABLY IN THE PAST. 7. SUMMARY: SOURCE REPORTED THAT A UFO WAS SPOTTED ON TWO DIFFERENT OCCASIONS NEAR PERUVIAN AIR FORCE (FAP) BASE IN SOUTHERN PERU. THE FAP TRIED TO INTERCEPT AND DESTRY THE UFO, BUT WITHOUT SUCCESS. PAGE 1 00101111 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Document #: 37 From: UFO INFO SERVICE Date Sent: 09-22-1986 Subject: 1980 BRAZIL.FOIA PAGE 2 FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT DOCUMENT FILES --------------------------------------------------------------------------- DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE Joint Chiefs of Staff Message Center PAGE 2 18134 8A. DETAILS: SOURCE TOLD RO ABOUT THE SPOTTING OF AN UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECT IN THE VICINITY OF MARIANO MELGAR AIR BASE, LA JOYA, PERU (168058, 0715306W). SOURCE STATED THAT THE VEHICLE WAS SPOTTED ON TWO DIFFERENT OCCASIONS. THE FIRST WAS DURING THE MORNING HOURS OF 9 MAY 80, AND THE SECOND DURING THE EARLY EVENING HOURS OF 10 MAY 80. SOURCE STATED THAT ON 9 MAY, WHILE A GROUP OF FAP OFFICERS WERE IN FORMATION AT MARIANO MALGAR, THEY SPOTTED A UFO THAT WAS ROUND IN SHAPE, HOVERING NEAR THE AIRFIELD. THE AIR COMMANDER SCRAMBLED AN SU-22 AIRCRAFT TO MAKE AN INTERCEPT. THE PILOT, ACCORDING TO A THIRD PARTY, INTERCEPTED THE VEHICLE AND FIRED UPON IT AT VERY CLOSE RANGE WITHOUT CAUSING ANY APPARENT DAMAGE. THE PILOT TRIED TO MAKE A SECOND PASS ON THE VEHICLE, BUT THE UFO OUT-RAN THE SU-22. THE SECOND SIGHTING WAS SURING HOURS OF DARKNESS. THE VEHICLE WAS LIGHTED. AGAIN AN SU-22 WAS SCRAMBLED, BUT THE VEHICLE OUT-RAN THE AIRCRAFT. 8B. ORIG CMTS: RO HAS HEARD DISCUSSION ABOUT THE SIGHTING FROM OTHER SOURCES. APPARENTLY SOME VEHICLE WAS SPOTTED, BUT ITS ORIGIN REMAINS UNKNOWN. link; http://www.cufon.org/cufon/foia_008.htm
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Some Important Ufological History and Why;part one
Hers is a wealth of links ect on the historical perspective of the UFO situation and the importance of these UFO cases that contained high levels of strangeness.
************************************************** ************* Some Important Ufological History and Why; 1) J. Allen Hynek was the main civilian scientist, hired by the Air Force, to debunk UFO cases to the public. (N.B. He started out as a complete skeptic.) Hynek found that a certain percentage of them refused his best efforts. His tenure in this job kept him very close to the Air Force data for approximately 20 years. Dr. J. Allen Hynek - His life and a few of his accomplishments http://www.cohenufo.org/ocr.3a.html Hynek page at UFOMind, California USA http://www.cohenufo.org/Hynek/hynk_ufomnd.htm Quotes from Hynek that show his evolution over the years http://www.cohenufo.org/ocr.3b.html#anchor75480 2) Walter Webb, astronomer, became interested in UFOs after having a sighting of his own back in 1951. He also worked with Hynek on project "Moonwatch" in the late 1950's. Webb says the Baker-Nunn network did pick up anomalous trails in their later photos. Hynek described them as "oddities." Comments from Walter Webb, Charles Hayden Planetarium, Boston http://www.cohenufo.org/ocr.3b.html#anchor904745 3) Hynek discovered cases in "Blue Book" that indicated that UFOs deserved to be studied in depth. (Discovered from a 20 year study for the Air Force.) Some cases described flight characteristics and behaviors that still mystify military personnel familiar with the world's various aircraft. Navy Case from "Blue Book" files - Hynek http://www.cohenufo.org/ocr.5a.html#anchor97542 4) Here are two cases investigated by both Hynek and atmospheric scientist Dr. James McDonald. Their data indicated it was not impossible that some UFOs may well be advanced "craft," perhaps not of this earth. "Kirtland" was triple-analyzed by Project Blue Book the Condon Study and Dr. McDonald (University of Arizona). Incident at Redlands, California (4 Feb 68) - Hynek http://www.cohenufo.org/ocr.5b.html Analysis of "Kirtland" (11/4/57) by Dr. James McDonald (see: Oberg/Cooper 7b & 7c) http://www.cohenufo.org/ocr.7b.html McDonald's Critique of the Condon Committee Evaluation of "Kirtland" http://www.cohenufo.org/ocr.7c.html#Anchor1323 Hynek uses Kirtland case to demonstrate need for further study http://www.cohenufo.org/Hynek/hynk_21yrs_rprts.htm 5) Looking a little more closely at Hynek's time spent as civilian scientific consultant to the Air Force and what he had to say about it, we find that Hynek eventually concluded that the Air Force's study of UFOs, "Project Blue Book", was actually a "non-study." His testimony to same provided here: Hynek letter to Colonel Sleeper takes us INSIDE Blue Book http://www.cohenufo.org/ocr.5a.html#slprlet What Hynek found when he reanalyzed the Blue Book cases http://www.cohenufo.org/Hynek/hynkreval_bb.htm#briefsum Earthlight's author Paul Devereaux seemed unaware of Hynek's reanalysis of USAF Blue Book cases, at least until after the fact. ..As stated way back in the 1980's, A. Hendry's analysis of the reports received at the Center for UFO Studies over two years showed that nearly 90 percent were identifiable. .(This includes daylight disk and nocturnal lights) .Breaking down the final 10% is where the problem lies. Paul's work is within the 90%. (actually, substantially below that) (Also see #15 this page) Hynek also stated the Blue Book numbers are significantly different if one takes into account 1) how the AF arrived at their final case determinations and 2) the large number of high strangeness cases that were never turned into Blue Book, but were turned into the civilian UFO groups due to the AF "ridicule" factor. (Hynek: "There are actually 5 - 10 times more high-strangeness cases than we realize.") Author's note: However, as previously indicated, Blue Book did accumulate important data. There has been another update to that initial data performed by researcher Brad Sparks in which he states there may be as many as 4000 unexplained ufo cases miscatergorized by USAF. Scientist James McDonald similarly stated in 1968 at his CASI lecture that from his review of BB cases he estimated that 30-40% of 12,000 cases were Unexplained, or about 3,600 to 4,800. These are mostly military cases and many involve radar. 6) Conclusions of the Colorado Study: Further research informs us that the conclusions reached by Edward Condon in the Colorado Study (an Air Force sponsored civilian university study of UFOs) were actually erroneous. Although Condon had found "against" UFOs being worthy of further study, the case data from the study had actually found an even _greater_ number of unknowns than the Air Force was claiming at the time. (see #6 in McDonald Critique) We also have testimony from Richard Hall that the Condon Colorado Study ignored specific data that it had in its possession; data available back then which proved beyond reasonable doubt that some UFOs were not just some fanciful stories fabricated by hoaxers, the press, etc. Here are Hall's own words from a paper he wrote. University of Colorado UFO Project (11/66-11/68) 7) Interestingly, we also discover that Hynek and McDonald were not the only ones to disagree with the conclusions of the Colorado (Condon) Report. A side note: A skeptical explanation for UFOs offered by Professor Donald Menzel: Menzel's Mirage Theory of UFOs (and cited by the Condon Committee) - was mentioned by Dr. Hynek as being easily refuted by an Air Force study: Mirage Hypothesis Proposed to Explain UFOs However, the Hypothesis Proves Untenable link; http://www.cohenufo.org/topicsaddr.html
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Some Important Ufological History and Why;part two
We also have testimony from Richard Hall that the Condon Colorado Study ignored specific data that it had in its possession; data available back then which proved beyond reasonable doubt that some UFOs were not just some fanciful stories fabricated by hoaxers, the press, etc. Here are Hall's own words from a paper he wrote.
University of Colorado UFO Project (11/66-11/68) http://www.cohenufo.org/condon.html 7) Interestingly, we also discover that Hynek and McDonald were not the only ones to disagree with the conclusions of the Colorado (Condon) Report. Science groups who disagreed with the Condon conclusions and why http://www.cohenufo.org/ocr.4a.html#AIAA anchor ** Why NICAP disagreed ** http://www.cohenufo.org/nicapcondon.htm Why Dr. McDonald disagreed http://www.cohenufo.org/condon.html#mcdnlddisputcndn Why Hynek disagreed http://www.cohenufo.org/condon.html#Hynekdisagrees Hynek Article Regarding Condon Report http://www.cohenufo.org/Hynek/hynk_condnrpt.htm A side note: A skeptical explanation for UFOs offered by Professor Donald Menzel: Menzel's Mirage Theory of UFOs (and cited by the Condon Committee) - was mentioned by Dr. Hynek as being easily refuted by an Air Force study: Mirage Hypothesis Proposed to Explain UFOs http://www.cohenufo.org/amtr_hypoth.html However, the Hypothesis Proves Untenable http://www.cohenufo.org/refut_mirag.html 8) THE STANFORD STUDY: Almost thirty years after the Colorado Condon Study, serious study of the "Rockefeller Report" http://www.cohenufo.org/authorsc.html#rckrptby a committee from Stanford University, headed by Peter A. Sturrock, and which included presentations by ufologists concerning updates to various facets of the phenomena, with awareness of various additional information discussed at the following link, ** Concerning the re-evaluation - Cohen ** leads the committee to revise Edward Condon's original "closed-minded" Colorado Project finding: "further extensive study of UFOs probably cannot be justified in the expectation that science will be advanced thereby" In light of the above and hearing all additional testimonies offered regarding the phenomena, other studies performed, etc., the Sturrock committee, in 1997, now found it prudent to say: "...it would be valuable to carefully evaluate UFO reports since, whenever there are unexplained observations, there is the possibility that scientists will learn something new by studying these observations." The committee also said: "The best prospect for achieving a meaningful evaluation of relevant hypotheses is likely to come from the examination of physical evidence." http://www.cohenufo.org/ufotrace1.html#tracerescenter Some Articles concerning the Stanford Study http://www.cohenufo.org/abcart.htm ABC Article on the Stanford Study http://www.cohenufo.org/SturrockBook2.htm Sturrock Book (The UFO Enigma) http://www.cohenufo.org/SturrockBook2.htm Sturrock Analysis of the Condon Study http://www.ufoskeptic.org/sturrock/toc.html Commentary by Bernhard Haisch, "Journal of Scientific Exploration" Journal of Scientific Exploration Home Page http://www.cohenufo.org/beskep_Haisch.html 9) What was found from FOIA lawsuits? Back in the 1970's, Peter Gersten, lawyer for CAUS (Citizens Against UFO Secrecy), filed a freedom of information (FOIA) lawsuit against a number of government offices. Numerous documents were eventually released by the government and received by December of 1978. Found in those releases were various agency discussions concerning UFO cases including visits of "unknowns" to SAC Air Force bases in 1975. Also discussed was a well-detailed 1976 incident between a UFO and an Iranian F-4 fighter plane. jc 10/10/2008: IMPORTANT BULLETIN) The above 1976 case is now more than simply hearsay from released FOIA documents. One of the previously documented Iranian pilots, Parviz Jafari - now a retired General - is part of an extremely impressive group of personnel from several countries who testified regarding their own personal UFO cases at the Washington D.C., USA Press Club less than a year ago, in November 2007. (Jafari video at UTube as long as they keep it there.) A newspaper article provided at this next link details that Iranian case (amongst others). Brad Sparks, cofounder of CAUS and prime consultant on the FOIA lawsuits against the CIA & NSA, wrote me to correct some of the information in the Washington Post article. Newsday/Washington Post Article (with hyperlinked corrections by Brad Sparks) http://www.cohenufo.org/Nsday.Art.79.html
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Dr. Josef Allen Hynek (May 1, 1910 – April 27, 198
As i have mentioned in my previous posts that the "educational" aspect to the UFO situation is extremely vital and important for anyone just trying to understand the significance and magnitude of what has been happening in the atmospheres and skies of the world.Also it is important, well,very important that any final opinions ect on just what could possible be the origins for those UFOs that Dr Hynek classified as containing levels of "high strangeness " is reliant on ALL the knowledge currently available from the past and the present.
In this post i will reveal the views, opinions, official scientific involvement of the late Dr Allan Hynek, as will be seen he started out as a sceptic and through his years of privy to highly classified military documents referring to UFO reports he began to see that the game from the start from the USAF was one of debunking and a agenda of what was to be termed "force fit" explanations and these where to be the explanations for many a UFO report after investigation's at any cost. Hynek would later on in his life reveal that the official governmental scientific and military UFO investigation's that where carried out ,one mainly that was called ,"project blue book" was actually inadequate in its scientific evaluations and investigation's and above all its treatment of those that where witnesses to the UFO reports they actually bothered to investigate.Links will be provided and snippets from them too for anyone who wants to see the side of the UFO reality that will never be seen in the media,some links will refer to his quotes also . I will tell anyone who is curious enough that this side of the UFO educational situation is one long and deep rabbit hole. Here we see from a quote from Hynek below that he was seriously peshed off with the attitude from not only the media but the scientific community its self, this was to be one of his out spoken beliefs on the UFO perceptions out side his official circle of investigation's that was "project blue book". QUOTE; Early evidence of the shift in Hynek's opinions appeared in 1953, when Hynek wrote an article for the April 1953 issue of the Journal of the Optical Society of America titled "Unusual Aerial Phenomena," which contained what would become perhaps Hynek's best known statement: "Ridicule is not part of the scientific method, and people should not be taught that it is. The steady flow of reports, often made in concert by reliable observers, raises questions of scientific obligation and responsibility. Is there ... any residue that is worthy of scientific attention? Or, if there isn't, does not an obligation exist to say so to the public—not in words of open ridicule but seriously, to keep faith with the trust the public places in science and scientists? LINK; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Allen_Hynek Below is a brief summary of just who Hynek was and what he was heavily involved in. Dr. Josef Allen Hynek (May 1, 1910 – April 27, 1986) was a United States astronomer, professor, andufologist.[1] He is perhaps best remembered for his UFO research. Hynek acted as scientific adviser toUFO studies undertaken by the U.S. Air Force under three consecutive names: Project Sign (1947–1949),Project Grudge (1949–1952), and Project Blue Book (1952 to 1969). For decades afterwards, he conducted his own independent UFO research, developing the Close Encounter classification system, and is widely considered the father of the concept of scientific analysis of both reports and, especially, trace evidence purportedly left by UFOs. LINK; http://en.wikipedia..../J._Allen_Hynek Below is another Hynek quotes this time him revealing just how inadequate the official scientific and military UFO investigation's like "blue book" on which he served where. quote; "The staff of Blue Book, both in numbers and inscientific training, is grossly inadequate to perform thetasks assigned under AFR 80-17, even were they of a mindto do so. link; http://www.cohenufo.org/ocr.5a.html#anchor97542 quote; "There has been little dialogue between Blue Book and theoutside scientific world or between Blue Book and thevarious scientific facilities within the Air Forceitself." LINK. http://www.cohenufo.org/ocr.5a.html#anchor97542 Here is one final perception on what Hynek also started to perceive with his involvement in "blue book" that was the lack of any real scientific attention to detail of those UFO cases that contain "high levels of strangeness".It was like he admitted that avoidance of these particular cases was justified on the grounds that they where just to strange to form any KNOWN explanations for them , in some cases the agenda of "force fit" explanations or "known criteria" was placed on cases like this and that this was the case is documented by none other than Dr Hynek himself,an embarrassing situation regarding exposure to the "force fit" debunking explanations would be revealed by others as the demand for FOIA declassified UFO documents from "blue book" its self gained momentum by certain UFO researchers. quote; "There has been lack of attention to significant UFOcases, as judged by the scientific consultant and others,and too much time on routine cases which contain fewinformation bits; Hynek would go on to attack the adequacies that he saw and experienced and his qoute below is a testimony to it when he referred to "blue books" UFO cases that where termed the "unknowns". QUOTE; "A scientist who finds something in his laboratory thathe can't explain is no scientist if he labels it'unknown' and files it away and spends the rest of histime in routine matters. It is precisely the Unknownsthat Blue Book should be concerned with, not makingimpressive (?) counts of how many people cannot properlyidentify a satellite or a meteor." LINK; http://www.cohenufo.org/ocr.5a.html#anchor97542
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1994 - The Trumbull County, Ohio, UFO Incident;
Very interesting case here from the 90s and one of those cases that has a high level of strangeness.Still unsolved to this day and involving police officers.
************************************************** ************* 1994 - The Trumbull County, Ohio, UFO Incident  quote. "A series of unusual events unfolded on December 14, 1994, in Trumbull County, Ohio. Just after midnight on a late Fall night, a series of calls was received by 911 operators. These reports all involved one thing- reports of low-flying UFOs. The majority of these calls were heard by dispatcher Roy Anne Rudolph. Reports mostly related a fairly fast moving, unknown object / lights that seemed to be descending. Naturally at first, 911 operators thought the callers were seeing a balloon, plane, helicopter, or other everyday object. But, because of the extraordinary number of calls, Rudolph decided to notify the policemen of Liberty Township. The first police unit contacted thought that the reports were probably nothing to worry about, and that a plane was probably flying low. Sergeant Toby Meloro was the first officer on the scene, as he proceeded down Samson Drive to check out the lights. He was informed by a man on the street that the lights were moving south. As Meloro continued southerly on Samson Drive, suddenly his cruiser went dead. As he attempted to restart his vehicle, it was engulfed by a bright light from above. Startled and frightened, he exited his vehicle, and stood outside looking up at a giant object, circular in shape, and intensely bright in the center section. After about thirty seconds, the giant object moved away. One the most striking things about Meloro's sighting was that he heard not a sound from the UFO. After the object had moved out of sight, the police cruiser's functions returned to normal. Trying to understand what he had just seen, he took off in pursuit of the UFO. Meloro was unable to keep pace with the UFO. He called dispatch, informing them what he had seen, and gave the object's direction of flight. Soon, this information was related to all active law enforcement units in the area, and reports of the object's direction were used to triangulate the object, and enable units to move to its location. Dispatcher Rudolph later stated that at least 14-15 officers had seen the UFO. Their reports of the object and its movements were openly discussed among the officers on the police radio. Police dispatch, with reports of the UFO spreading to adjacent communities, called the local airport FAA control tower, and asked if they had anything unusual on their radar. Control tower stated that they had nothing unusual on their scope, which covered a 60 mile diameter around Youngstown. Researcher Kenny Young did an in-depth study of the Trumbull County sightings. His requests for Freedom of Information Act documents regarding the case was denied. He interviewed officers involved in the case, and was confident that they were telling the truth. Lieutenant James Baker, of the Brookfield Township Police Department, was one of the officers monitoring the fantastic calls, and decided to have a look for himself. He climbed up an abandoned radar tower in the area to get an optimum look at the object. As he reached the top of the tower, he was shocked at what he saw - not one, but three UFOs. The three objects were in a triangle pattern, with the middle object slightly higher than the two on the side. Also, Baker stated that the object changed colors in unison - red, yellow, blue, and green. He reported his observation to the other patrolmen on duty. Astronomers have tried to explain the sightings as simple stars that appeared low in the sky, and appear to change colors. Of course, this does not explain the malfunction of police vehicles, lights engulfing them, or objects moving across the landscape being chased by policemen. Some have theorized that the object seen by the policemen of Trumbull County was a top-secret craft from the Youngstown Air Reserve Base. However, Captain John Keytack, from the base, stated that there were no planes, experimental or otherwise, flying that night. The policemen of Ohio have spoken often about what they saw on December 14, 1994 - Police cars that inexplicably stalled, light beams engulfing their vehicles, one or more structured craft of a nature never seen before or since. The 1994 sightings of Trumbull County have never been adequately explained by conventional flying objects. (B J Booth) Continue with Video, Part 2. http://www.ufocasebook.com/vid/trumbullcounty2.html Listen to actual police calls from Trumbull County; http://www.ufocasebook.com/audio/trumbullcounty.wma permanent link: http://www.ufocasebook.com/trumbullcounty1994.html source & references:
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UFO Government Documentary Evidence :Hynek
In these series of posts i will concentrate on the late Dr Allen Hynek and FOIA or (freedom of information Act),UFO government documents that relate to the some what "official" reluctance and admittance on the evidence they have found after investigation's ect on the UFO reality.There is a couple of videos that need viewing and links too for the interested student or curious onlooker to digest.
There is no substitute for studying all the available data on the UFO subject/situation and for anyone still in a primary knowledgeable base on this subject Dr Allen Hynek is an invaluable source of considerable UFO related data and his credentials of Chairman of the Department of Astronomy at Northwestern University and scientific consultant for Air Force investigations of UFOs from 1948 until 1969;and above all that his position and knowledge of just what was going on in the official UFO investigation's that he helped carry out by the USAF and intelligence agencies speaks for its self. People insist that there is no real base for a UFO subject or study, well they could never have been so much wrong going on the wealth of data that is now available and the declassified UFO documents won through the FOIA requests and Hyneks speaking out and coming forward with his statements is in my mind a side to the UFO reality that never gets a light of day from the media and those who seek to discredit it and take a great uneducated delight to label it a subject for cranks and attention seekers out to make a fast buck, The moral of the story here is the more you educate your self and with that education the more knowledgeable you become and the more you see through those that are not and are out to tell you that there is nothing in the UFO situation ,past or present.Seek for yourself and let no one decide for you. ************************************************** ************* Hynek quote; "We had case after case after case from military pilots that never hit the press" -Dr J Allen Hynek, Chairman of the Department of Astronomy at Northwestern University and scientific consultant for Air Force investigations of UFOs from 1948 until 1969; Hynek quote; "For the government to continue to maintain that UFOs are nonexistent in the face of the documents already released and of other cogent evidence presented in this book is puerile and in a sense an insult to the American people." -Dr. J. Allen Hynek, Scientific Advisor to Project Bluebook from 1952-1969 "From 1977 through 2000 attorney Peter Gersten, representing first Ground Saucer Watch (GSW) and then Citizens Against UFO Secrecy (CAUS), sued the CIA, NSA, Army, and the DoD for UFO related documents under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA). This video is a compilation of his interviews over those 20+ years as well as his controversial and provocative comments on the Canadian documentary "Apocalypse 2012." "In 1977 New York attorney Peter A. Gersten brought suit in the US District Court of the District of Columbia on behalf of Ground Saucer Watch, an Arizona based UFO organization. The lawsuit was against the Central Intelligence Agency pursuant to the Freedom of Information Act. Gersten demanded the release of classified UFO related documents. Pursuant to the lawsuit, the CIA in 1979 released over 900 pages of documents relating to the UFO phenomenon. But they refused to release 57 documents, claiming national security considerations." "On June 24,1980 Gersten brought suit in the same District Court against the National Security Agency but this time on behalf of his own recently formed organization, Citizens Against UFO Secrecy (CAUS). His objective was 135 UFO related documents the NCI had refused to release. On November 18, 1980, based upon a NSA top secret affidavit which Gersten was not allowed to see, US District Court Judge Gerhard A. Gesell dismissed the lawsuit stating that 'the continued need for secrecy far out weighed the public's right to know.' quote; "Project Bluebook's Chief Scientist Dr J Allen Hynek also makes some interesting comments about how many military pilot UFO reports went unreported and discusses 'three incontrovertible points that even the grossest sceptic can't ignore' - one, that UFO reports not only exist but persist; two, that the phenomenon is global in nature (over 140 countries) and three, that many UFO reports come from highly credible and technically trained people". "A copy of an undated NICAP UFO Investigator was included with CAUS·Kay 8th appeal. The lead article of the Investigator, entitled "UFOs Force Government Action," indicates NICAP had access to the three documents CAUS is seeking. The article quotes extensively from State Department documents describing UFO incidents in Morocco on the same evening (morning) as the now-famous Iranian incident, September 20.' 1976. The NICAP publication also refers to a message sent by Henry Kissinger, then Secretary of State, to the Moroccan government in response to their query." PDF File; http://www.greenwoodufoarchive.com/J...chel_v1_i2.pdf quote "This report leaked through Iranian Air Force sources, or we'd probably never have gotten it. Once "out" however, the retrieval of documents by FOIA or other requests [for instance through Congressmen] gets a little more likely. Ultimately the DIA/NSA decided to release the documents which confirmed everything. In those documents were phrases like "outstanding report", "case is a classic", "meets all the criteria for a valid study of the UFO phenomenon"...I kid you not." The document on the right was an added surprise. The NSA had given the case reports to one of their operatives [also an Air Force officer] to include in the classified "Secret" intelligence magazine, MIJI Quarterly. They apparently had decided that cases like this needed to be known by operatives in the field who were charged with dealing with problems of "electronic countermeasures" such as jamming, signal confusion, instrument interference, etc. Captain Shields tells the whole tale. But what is of greater interest is the casual admission written just below the title: "Sometime in his career, each pilot can expect to encounter strange, unusual happenings which will never be adequately or entirely explained by logic or subsequent investigation." quote; "This 1985 HBO documentary 'UFOs: What's Going On" discusses the Roswell Crash, Project Blu Book, the 1975 incursions over the SAC bases , the Cash/Landrum encounter, the Travis Walton abduction, and the RAF Bentwaters incident to name only the most popular. It features J. Allen Hynek, Peter A. Gersten, Larry Fawcett, Stanton Friedman, Travis Walton, Betty Cash, and Vicky Landrum." ************************************************** ************* UFO GOVERNMENT DOCUMENTS; USAF Document describing unknown object 'making crater' in Swedish lake: Document;  ************************************************** ************* CIA report Flying Saucers over Belgian Congo Uranium mines Document;  ************************************************** ************* Multiple Radar and Visual Sighting of two UFOs -US army.Panama, 1958 Document;  ************************************************** ************ Below are links for further study ect; Ufologie - FOIA declassified documents ; http://ufologie.patrickgross.org/htm/foia.htm UFO Evidence - Government UFO Documents; http://www.ufoevidence.org/govtdocs/index.asp The Black Vault -Government Document Archive; http://community.theblackvault.com/articles
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UFO Government Documentary Evidence :Hynek two;
In this post we can see from looking at the subject of discussions/reports from the official spectrum and not from the media"s or loony camps ect in these FOIA UFO documents one sees possible genuine undertones of real concern and admittance that the official perception of the UFO situation in the past is so much more different in reality to what is displayed through the media out lets.
************************************************** *************  Official documents; US FOIA declassified documents: Here is a collection of documents, some of them were formerly secret or confidential, they were all declassified because of the Freedom Of Information Act. F.O.I.A: The Freedom of Information Act (F.O.I.A) is an American law that allows members of the public to obtain copies of classified documents by having all or parts of the documents declassified by order of a federal judge. The judge may refuse the declassification of a document if it is necessary for the document to remain classified because it affects national security. At least, that is in theory. In practice it has been very unreliable, if one group requests for a set of documents and gets them, it does not necessarily mean that a second group will be able to get them. If the government denies they have got the documents that you are looking for, they may not be telling the truth. It has been known for a government agency to deny that it has ANY documents on an incident yet release it some months later. Original US Government documents: The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) put the full texts of more than 900 recently declassified documents concerning UFO's on line at the CIA's Electronic Documents Release Center. Use the "search" page and keywords such as UFO. Thousands of other documents can be obtained more or less easily upon request. The National Security Agency (NSA) put full texts of recently declassified documents concerning UFOs online at the National Security Agency's UFO Documents Index. The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) put the full texts of recently declassified documents concerning UFOs in PDF format in the "Unusual Phenomena" section of the FOIA Electronic Reading Room. FOIA documents sampler: Ghost rockets Scandinavian "Ghost Rockets" explained as Russians. 1946 http://ufologie.patrickgross.org/htm/foia02.htm Ghost rockets again ONI document Scandinavian "Ghost Rocket".1947 http://ufologie.patrickgross.org/htm/foia01.htm FBI 8 July FBI memo on flying disk recovery in Roswell.1947 http://ufologie.patrickgross.org/rw/f/fbimemo01.htm FBI Interview of pilot who saw two UFOs.1947 http://ufologie.patrickgross.org/htm/foia158.htm FBI Memo for M. Ladd: FBI wants access to "flying discs".1947 http://ufologie.patrickgross.org/htm/foia26.htm Routing slip;General Twining's routing slip of UFO observations summaries. 1947; http://ufologie.patrickgross.org/htm/foia23.htm EEI memo AMC is in the opinion that flying saucers exist.1947 http://ufologie.patrickgross.org/htm/foia68.htm Air Force to FBI Air Force says UFOs are no secret aircraft.1947 http://ufologie.patrickgross.org/htm/foia60.htm Vexed FBI on UFOs;The famous letter from FBI director angry at Air Forces because they asked FBI to study only uninteresting UFO cases. 1947 http://ufologie.patrickgross.org/htm/foia03.htm FBI memo Subject: flying disks.1947 USAF Memo, how to report a UFO USAF Memo, how to report on flying disks. http://ufologie.patrickgross.org/htm/foia27.htm link; http://ufologie.patrickgross.org/htm/foia.htm ************************************************** ************* "This document shows that in 1947, the FBI knew that the US Army Air Force considered that there were "serious" flying saucers besides hoaxes and jokes that should be investigated by the military intelligence only." THE DOCUMENT:  ************************************************** ************* "An interesting declassified document. In response to a verbal question from the FBI, General Shulgen of the Air Force responds that a survey indicated that the US Air Force has no aircraft projects that matches the characteristics of the reported flying disks." REFERENCES: Title: None To: Director of FBI Author: Brigadier General Geo F. Schulgen, deputy assistant of Chief of Air Staff Date: September 5, 1947 Length: 1 page Classification: None CC: None  ************************************************** ************* This is a secret document, declassified because of the Freedom Of Information Act. UFO INTEREST 1947: Routing slip from General Nathan F. Twining , Air Materiel Command (AMC) to General Brentnall, T-3, Engineering, accompanying summaries of flying saucer sightings as reported by Richard Rankin, Kenneth Arnold, and Idaho Forest Rangers. Shows the early military interest in the "flying saucers" started immediately in 1947 as soon as the designation "flying saucer" was issued by the press. REFERENCES: Title: TSEOP Form N.5 To: General Brentnall, T-3, Engineering Authors: General Nathan F. Twining , Air Materiel Command (AMC) Date: July 2, 1947 Length: Unknown. Classification: Unknown CC: None THE DOCUMENT:  link; http://ufologie.patrickgross.org/htm/foia.htm
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Project Grudge Documents.Declassified USAF Docs;
For those that are aware of the educational side of the UFO situation they will recognise the term "Project Grudge", this later became "project blue book".For those new to the subject there was three major official UFO investigation's carried out by the United States Air Force,(USAF), these came under the official names of "project sign",project grudge and project blue book" also we had the famous "condon report" too.
The USAF have just released declassified UFO documents from "project grudge", these are historical documents and give a real glimpse into the past and how the military intelligences at that time viewed the UFO situation.Also some barely known cases in them that came before all the craziness. Project Grudge Status Report #1 has the original Lubbock Lightshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lubbock_Lights report and several more of interest. Here in these documents we can see and perceive the official procedure for filing reports of "unconventional aircraft" - defined as "any aircraft or airborne object, which by performance, aerodynamic characteristics or unusual features, does not conform to any presently known aircraft type", These kind of documents are a vital part in looking back in history and do show the ACCEPTED attitudes and conclusions that where prevalent in the official military and governmental intelligences in regards to the UFO situation at that time.We can see that manifestation in the "QUOTES" i have provided in the text below. ************************************************** ************* Project Grudge Documents.Declassified USAF documents;   by AFDO Staff; Air Force Declassification Office; 10/27/2011 - National Archives II -- The Air Force Declassification Office is pleased to release records on Project Grudge, which was part of the Air Force effort to investigate Unidentified Flying Object reports starting in 1949. These documents contain reporting procedures, planned responses to press and public inquiry, and investigative reports conducted by the Air Force in early 1950. To find the documents click on the UFOs link on the declassified documents page or click here http://www.secretsdeclassified.af.mi...110719-005.pdf to go directly to the document. Subscribe to our RSS feed to get the latest declassified documents as they become available.   quote; 1. SINCE the Air Force is responsible for control of the air in the defense of the U.S., it is imperative that all other agencies cooperate in confirming or denying the possibility that these objects have a domestic origin. Otherwise, if it is firmly indicated that there is no domestic explanation, the objects are a threat and warrant more active efforts of identification and interception. 12.IT MUST be accepted that some type of flying objects have been observed, although their identification and origin are not discernable. In the interest of national defense it would be unwise to overlook the possibility that some of these objects may be of foreign origin. "Whenever a case happened that they coud explain--which was quite a few--they made a point of that, and let that out to the media. . .Cases that were very difficult to explain, they would jump handsprings to keep the media away from them. They had a job to do, rightfully or wrongfully, to keep the public from getting excited." Dr. J. Allen Hynek, former Chairman of the Dept. of Astronomy at North Western University and scientific advisor to Project Bluebook from 1952-1969 Title: RE: concerning the "Unidentified Flying Object Program" To: Brigadier General W. M. Burgess, USAF Air Defense Command Author: Colonel George E. Perry, USAF, Directorate of Intelligence. Date: 23 December 23, 1953 Classification: CONFIDENTIAL;  "...for those times where the object is not explainable, it would be well to advise your people to say something on this order. "The information on this sighting will be analyzed by the Air Technical Intelligence Center at Dayton, Ohio," and leave it at that..." link; http://ufologie.patrickgross.org/htm/foia20.htm CIA document from late 1952 which deals with the 'creation of the correction of public opinion' 'British Activity in the Field of UFOs':  quote; "In some RAF field, there was some sort of demonstration to which high officials of the RAF in London had been invited. During the show, a 'perfect flying saucer' was seen by these officials as well as RAF pilots. So many people saw it that many articles appeared in the public press. This is distressing to [Dr] Jones because he realises that the creation of the correction of public opinion is a part of his responsibilities." link; http://www.uk-ufo.org/condign/ciascan1.htm
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11-07-2012, 10:58 PM
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UFO Files and the Mystery of the Cover-Up;
While the following information does not concentrate on any specific or the year dates of UFO sightings or reports like the majority of the UFO content in this thread i though it was important enough to warrant at least a "historical" content and place in this thread.The historical theme will become more clearer as one reads the text provided below;
************************************************** ************* The Goldwater UFO Files and the Mystery of the Cover-Up Monday, March 5, 2012; Some of the late Barry Goldwater's UFO-related correspondence has recently been released, and it makes shocking reading, for a reason that I will detail in a moment. After I read it, though, I found myself thinking about the present state of the UFO mystery, how we have gotten here, and what has been lost. When Goldwater's first letters were written, in the late 1960s, it was still possible for respected media to publish UFO stories. It didn't happen often, even then, but it did happen. Not anymore, and I think that some of Goldwater's statements, and some things revealed in his letters, tell us why it is that the media and the scientific community absolutely reject the whole subject as nonsense. As I pointed out in Solving the Communion Enigma, one of the greatest aerospace scientists of all time, Paul Hill, wrote a book called Unconventional Flying Objects that detailed his own sightings, but which he was not allowed by his employer, NASA, to publish in his lifetime. One of his sightings is among those that Project Blue Book admits remains unresolved. Had a man with such authority in aerospace been allowed to advocate for his discoveries, this might be a very different world. But NASA somehow censored him, and by the time his daughter discovered the manuscript and got it published, death had silenced him. In a 1967 letter to a reported for the Bradenton, Florida Herald, Goldwater says, "The policy of the Air Force is to allow no one to see the UFO files at Wright-Patterson and, frankly, I can't argue with this regulation at all. I did attempt to get in but I was told that no one was allowed and I can understand the sensitive and secret nature of these files so I didn't press the point." But that would not seem to be entirely true. He may have pressed the point a bit harder than he was willing to tell the reporter. The most telling of the Goldwater letters are two to Dr. James E. McDonald, a senior physicist at the Institute of Atmospheric Physics at the University of Arizona. Dr. McDonald, who later committed suicide, was a tireless UFO researcher. He says to McDonald in a 1968 letter, "Frankly, I am a little surprised to lear than you had such ease in seeing the files at Wright Patterson because I have been denied that privilege by people as high as General LeMay." Going all the way to the Air Force Chief of Staff would, I think, qualify as pressing the point, and pressing it hard. In a 1974 letter to UFO investigator Leonard Stringfield, he says, "I mand a effort to get in the room at Wright-Patterson Field where the information was stored, and I was denied this request, understandably." From these comments, there can be little question that he knew about the 'blue room' where secret UFO information is, or was, stored at Wright-Patterson. He also knew that this information was classified, and therefore was not willing to press the matter. He says, in 1974, to a Mr. C. William George, "I have no information on UFOs that it not available to you and I'm not aware exactly of what the Air Force might have and I will not make inquiries until they are willing to downgrade the classification." In 1973, he wrote to Norman Payne of Payne Aviation that "There is no US Government group dedicated to observing or studying unidentified flying objects. The US Air Force gave up its efforts some years ago." So, according to these various statements, in 1974 the matter was still so highly classified that Senator Goldwater would not even query the Air Force about it. But in 1973, he was saying that the Air Force "gave up its efforts some years ago." Both things, I think, could be true. In fact, I suspect that they are true, and that they are one of the primary reasons for the long years not only of denial, but also of persecution of people who threaten the system in any serious way. In the Senator's papers there is a very telling series of letters and some additional documentation from a UN employee, a US citizen called Colman VonKeviczy, whose life was methodically destroyed after he suggested that the UN investigate UFOs. He presented an analysis of non-terrestrial space craft to U Thant and his cabinet. Immediately thereafter he was forced to take a compulsory vacation. When he returned, he had a conference with C. V. Narasimhan, U Thant's Cabinet Chief, regarding the "establishment of a UFO analytic group within the UN secretariat." He was then dismissed from the service and spent the next five years protesting his dismissal, which was allegedly for age-related reasons when, in fact, the UN routinely kept on employees past the 60 year retirement age if their service continued to be wanted. Once again, in 1978, when reporter Lee Speigel enlisted the Grenada's Prime Minister, Eric Gairy, to back an effort to present UFO information at the United Nations, the US government was a behind the scenes opponent, and the British government actively attempted to prevent the presentation from moving ahead. In a document referring to Speigel's effort and Gairy's previous efforts to involve the UN, a US Mission employee commented, "Last year Grenada requested our support and Misoff had to scramble hard behind the scenes to water down the resolution and, in effect, delay the vote for one year. As Project Blue Book had already been completed by that time and the US Air Force had allegedly left the field entirely as there was nothing of any significance happening, why would the US care one way or another whether or not the head of a small nation gathered UFO experts at the UN? But it did care, and very much, and there is a very clear pattern, at this point, of sub-rosa attempts to suppress this information. In Dr. Hill's book, he comments that NASA did not want him to draw attention to his UFO interest while an employee, and that he expected to publish after his retirement. But that is not what happened. Instead, the manuscript was found among his personal effects after he died. So additional pressure must have been put on him. Additionally, VonKeviczy's effort to enlist the UN in the discussion was obviously met with firm resistance from the US. He not only lost his UN position, but was shut out of the US corporate world as well. In 1970, he wrote, in a despairing letter to President Nixon, "I am repeatedly requesting your respected attention and prompt action concerning my moral, and full financial rehabilitation for my lost career at the United Nations, and the loss of numerous career job opportunities at wealthy US corporations." Right now, if I called up a reporter at the New York Times, the Washington Post, ABC, CNN, Fox or any major media outlet and suggested a story on UFOs, I would be, at best, treated with condescension. The US government has had its way: the intellectual establishment, across the board, rejects the idea the UFOs are anything more than folklore. The suppression is so total that not even social scientists can get grants to study UFO stories as modern folklore. (The reason, of course, is that, if they engage in such study, they will soon realize that folklore is not the answer.) When we were at the International UFO Conference last weekend in Phoenix, we saw a presentation by Chilean Air Force General Ricardo Bermudez of the Committee of the Study of Anomalous Aeronautical Phenomena, who showed videos that had been anlyzed at a professional level of skill as part of Chile's ongoing official effort to document the phenomenon in its airspace. I was interested to find that General Bermudez is hoping to take the issue to the United Nations once again, and wondered what sort of resistance the US government will offer this time. People are constantly asking why the US is so resistant, and it's a very interesting question for which there are probably a number of answers. One, that is almost certainly true, is that, if even the slightest official acknowledgement of the reality of these objects is made, then it will also be necessary to admit that they cannot be controlled in any significant way, and possibly that mistakes made in the past, shooting at them and confronting them with armed resistance, have caused them to present a belligerent face to mankind that might not have been done, had we acted early on in a more carefully considered manner. In other words, the Air Force, in the early days, essentially ruined contact, then discovered that our visitors had, instead of leaving, simply altered their agenda. There followed, perhaps, a long effort on their part to determine what was wrong with us that led to abductions and worse, and has now left us more or less isolated from help at a time when, as will be seen in a few years, we are in absolutely desperate need. There might be another reason, also, one which has profoundly affected me and colored my own work. It is the notion that there is a social tripwire somewhere that, if we ever cross it, will enable the visitors compltely unfettered access to our reality, which, for whatever reason, they cannot get until we grant it to them. Government admission that they are real might be such a tripwire, which would explain the long-standing official policy of absolute, blanket denial. However, gradual public acceptance might work just as well, which would explain the pro-active efforts to suppress any really convincing arguments for their existence to be put forward, and what appears to have been a long standing effort to suppress meaningful reporting on the matter and scientific research of any kind. In 1988, I had a couple of conversations with General Arthur Exon, who was an old friend of one of my uncles and was then the retired commandant of Wright-Patterson. He told me that, far from getting out of the UFO business with the publication of the Condon Report, there was still a scientific effort going on to understand the debris that had been found at Roswell and other materials that had been obtained since then. He also said, of the secrecy, that there had been "speculation" put forth in a short memo by a famous sicentist in 1952 to the effect that, if they were from a parallel universe rather than another planet, they might not be able to fully invest themselves in our reality until and if our assumption that they are real becomes as fundamental as our assumption that another person or a table or anything around us is real. It didn't take me long to determine that this scientist was probably John von Neumann, who wrote brlliantly on the 'qantum perception problem' and also created the idea of the 'Von Neumann Machine,' which would be a machine set to travel the galaxy and replicate the species that created it every time it found a planet suitable for their habitation. It would contain a complete 'image' of the species and be able to artifically grown living representatives of it. When I was face to face with the visitors, I was often struck by their uncanny combination of rich emotional affect and machine-like precision, and I have wondered if von Newmann might not have been speculating at all, but might have known that such a machine had arrived here. But speculations about machine intelligence are for another commentary. If you want to know what I think about this possibility, read my novel Hybrids. (Or even, if you don't, spring for it anyway. If you're an Unknowncountry subscriber, you can use the coupon provided in the subscriber area to get it for a dollar plus shipping.) In any case, General Exon's brief comment really worried me. So much so that I wrote a story about Dr. von Neumann called the Open Doors, which speculates about the horrible conundrum that his speculation (if it was his) presents: we cannot know what is behind the door to the visitors until we open it by officially admitting that they are real, but once it is opened, it can never be closed again. This has colored the entire body of my own work. It's why I will never allow myself to be pinned down. It's why I say, again and again, that we must keep the whole thing in question--while at the same time describing my own experiences in as much detail and with as much accuracy as I can manage. It is also why we collect, on this website, narratives of close encounter and why Anne was inspired to read so many thousands of such narratives on behalf of both of us. We have been trying for years to get a look behind the door without opening it, and to help others, including, hopefully, some in official positions, to get the same sort of glimpse. What have we found? First, something that is, if anything, more various and complex than we are, both individually and socially. If these beings have been grown in a von Neumann machine, its designers did a very good job. Second, we have seen that the rules of being on the other side of the door are radically different from those on this one. Our visitors are not 'alive' in the same way that we are. For them, reality is a continuity of some sort. There is no barrier between the living and the dead. Among them the perception of 'the dead' doesn't even exist, I don't think. And when we draw close to them, the barrier drops for us, too. One is left, though, with the notion that both our religious proposition, with its elaborate pantheons and complicated moral rules, and our secular proposition, that there is nothing but the physical world, are both so profoundly flawed as to be most accurately described as fallacies. As I have said in these pages before, I think that it's probable that, at some point, whatever wall now exists between us and this other consiciousness, is going to collapse. I believe that, after a long, slow period of change, it is apt to happen quite suddenly. Whether that will happen in five minutes or five thousand years, I don't know. But it will happen. Inevitably. Certainly. Or they would not be here, and they would not be acting as they do. Of that I have little doubt. Read the original source: http://www.unknowncountry.com/journa...#ixzz20Lz5OwI9
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12-07-2012, 03:11 PM
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The UFO Files: Database of documents released;MOD;
Here is an interesting set of declassified British MOD UFO files for anyone interested enough to file through them, have started my self and some look interesting and show that the MOD did rate the UFO situation and probably still do as a serious threat to national security.
************************************************** ************* The UFO Files: Database of documents released by the British MoD;   "A raft of documents released by the Ministry of Defence today contains nearly 7,000 pages of information on successive governments' UFO policies, Parliamentary questions, public correspondence and sightings of UFOs". The documents were released after a campaign by Dr David Clarke, who has been asking the Ministry of Defence for them since 2003, and are the ninth such release. This latest batch of files on UFOs from the MoD show that: • Tony Blair was briefed on UFO and alien defence policy as he was so concerned about the disclosure of classified information on extra-terrestrials when he was Prime Minister • A Whitehall civil servant was paid to investigate UFO reports; • Government officials believed aliens 'might come here for holidays' and suggested harnessing UFO technology for British defences. ************************************************** ************* THE BRITISH MINISTRY OF DEFENCE UFO DATA BASE FILES; LINKS TO THE FILES BELOW; http://s.telegraph.co.uk/graphics/vi...defe-24-2077-1 http://www.documentcloud.org/documen...ufo-files.html http://s.telegraph.co.uk/graphics/vi...-defe-31-193-1 http://s.telegraph.co.uk/graphics/vi...defe-24-2087-1 http://s.telegraph.co.uk/graphics/vi...-defe-31-194-1 http://s.telegraph.co.uk/graphics/vi...defe-24-1987-1 http://s.telegraph.co.uk/graphics/vi...defe-24-2080-1 http://s.telegraph.co.uk/graphics/vi...defe-24-1987-1 http://s.telegraph.co.uk/graphics/vi...defe-24-2093-1 http://s.telegraph.co.uk/graphics/vi...-defe-31-189-1 http://s.telegraph.co.uk/graphics/vi...defe-24-1984-1 http://s.telegraph.co.uk/graphics/vi...defe-24-2084-1 http://s.telegraph.co.uk/graphics/vi...defe-24-2073-1 http://s.telegraph.co.uk/graphics/vi...4-2061-1-part3 http://s.telegraph.co.uk/graphics/vi...defe-24-2090-1 http://s.telegraph.co.uk/graphics/vi...defe-24-2088-1 http://s.telegraph.co.uk/graphics/vi...defe-24-1985-1
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