We're desperately-seeking Free Energy... Honest!

[hagbard_celine]

Originally Posted by revolutionary_jam

I've taken a ride in such a car



This is rediculous! Cooking fat is a waste product that many restraunts have to pay to dispose of (as it doesn't mix with water, it's not legal to pour it down the drains) a lot of people with these cars just go to restraunts and get it free then put it through a filter (which costs about a grand but pays off in the long run especially if you have friends with cars you can sell it to)

I was using "pour down the drain" figuratively. The point is that why go to such effort to stop the practice of fueling diesel engines with it?

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Originally Posted by kblood

Problem is that there is more tax on fuel, when used as fuel So whenever something that was not sold as or aquired as fuel, there will have to be paid the tax that usually is put on fuel. The taxation on fuel is something set by the govenment I think.

Yup, they could at least lower the taxes on fuel that pollutes less, but no. Most countries only want to seem like they care about the enviroment instead of risking money on the cause as well

But whoever purchsed the cooking oil has already paid VAT on it. If you prosecute someone for not paying tax on it again as fuel then it means that this product is being taxed twice!

I still say that this is just an excuse to cover their ulterior motive. They're desperate to stomp on this hard and make an example out of the "offender" in case the idea catches on. Nothing is more powerful than an idea whose time is come!

[seamus]

Originally Posted by hagbard_celine

But whoever purchsed the cooking oil has already paid VAT on it. If you prosecute someone for not paying tax on it again as fuel then it means that this product is being taxed twice!

I still say that this is just an excuse to cover their ulterior motive. They're desperate to stomp on this hard and make an example out of the "offender" in case the idea catches on. Nothing is more powerful than an idea whose time is come!

Or how about the very real scenario in which one uses a device like John Bedini's SG battery charger to charge/run an electric car? Nothing is bought... how is the gub gonna get their cut? HUH?!? That's a friggin free energy machine, and very much verified. Or Edwin V. Gray's system, or Stanley Meyers'? There are DOZENS of free energy machines that could be adapted for vehicular use. They have all been suppressed from the market, but that doesn't keep you from building your own. I might get around to it one day But don't expect me to talk publicly about it.

The inventors of the past have failed humanity in that they all wanted to get rich off their inventions instead of making the plans a matter of public record. It's really sad. Nikola tesla was the only one who was different, he and Nathan Stubblefield. But Tesla was a mite too grandiose, and Stubblefield didn't publish enough. Not that he was greedy or anything, he just perhaps missed the significance of his heating mirrors, or whatever he called them (even that is unknown).

Peaceout,
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[seamus]

Originally Posted by hagbard_celine

But whoever purchsed the cooking oil has already paid VAT on it. If you prosecute someone for not paying tax on it again as fuel then it means that this product is being taxed twice!

I still say that this is just an excuse to cover their ulterior motive. They're desperate to stomp on this hard and make an example out of the "offender" in case the idea catches on. Nothing is more powerful than an idea whose time is come!

Originally Posted by kblood

Problem is that there is more tax on fuel, when used as fuel So whenever something that was not sold as or aquired as fuel, there will have to be paid the tax that usually is put on fuel. The taxation on fuel is something set by the govenment I think.

Yup, they could at least lower the taxes on fuel that pollutes less, but no. Most countries only want to seem like they care about the enviroment instead of risking money on the cause as well

They have no desire to allow an energy economy in which they do not control the supply. It's that simple. That's why bush baby wants Hydrogen... You know what kind of infrastructure that requires? Only mega-corporations will be able to play. It's not about the environment any more than it's about the color of Donald Trump's hair. They give a DAMN.

Don't believe the hype!

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Originally Posted by seamus

The inventors of the past have failed humanity in that they all wanted to get rich off their inventions instead of making the plans a matter of public record. It's really sad. Nikola tesla was the only one who was different, he and Nathan Stubblefield. But Tesla was a mite too grandiose, and Stubblefield didn't publish enough. Not that he was greedy or anything, he just perhaps missed the significance of his heating mirrors, or whatever he called them (even that is unknown).


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Stephen Greer makes this point. He shows how too many inventors are bought out by the govt with hefty technology rites with secrecy clauses. Many know that if they don't accpet the deal they'll get threatened anyway, so they say "What the hell; if I'm going to lose my life's work I might as well make a few quid off it!" One of the purposes of SEAS, Greer's company, is to act as a solidarity union for these inventers, giving them protection and mutual support.

[steevo]

Originally Posted by cruise4

If we can have cars converted to run on natural Gas why not hydrogen? Its not that big a step. I was hoping to try this for real but I haven't got the right equipment just now to do it safely. I reckon Browns gas is a workable 'stop gap' solution.

There are buses in Perth Western Australia which run on hydrogen, maybe it's only part run on hydrogen I dont know.

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Originally Posted by steevo

There are buses in Perth Western Australia which run on hydrogen, maybe it's only part run on hydrogen I dont know.

Brown's gas is an amazing substance.

The thing is that a car run on hydrogen is only environmentally friendly if the hydrogen has been generated by an environmentally friendly power source. Having a city full of cars run on hydrogen made by power from a nuclear or coal-fired power station only moves the pollution to another place; it doesn't solve it. Perth would have cleaner air, but ther air around the power station would be more dirty as a result.

[steevo]

Originally Posted by hagbard_celine

Brown's gas is an amazing substance.

The thing is that a car run on hydrogen is only environmentally friendly if the hydrogen has been generated by an environmentally friendly power source. Having a city full of cars run on hydrogen made by power from a nuclear or coal-fired power station only moves the pollution to another place; it doesn't solve it. Perth would have cleaner air, but ther air around the power station would be more dirty as a result.

Yeah youre right there celine. Totally obvious. I got caught up in thinking that there WAS hope and I took my eye off the ball for a moment

Zinc/Air fuel cells are are good alternative, with a very interesting bi-product, see the part on 2mins 12secs :-

LiveLeak.com - Robert Newman - The History of Oil - Part 5 of 5

LiveLeak.com - Robert Newman - The History of Oil - Part 5 of 5

[hagbard_celine]

Originally Posted by steevo

Yeah youre right there celine. Totally obvious. I got caught up in thinking that there WAS hope and I took my eye off the ball for a moment

Zinc/Air fuel cells are are good alternative, with a very interesting bi-product, see the part on 2mins 12secs :-
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=679_1190750472

Looks like an interesting vid, thanks. It's on my list.

There IS hope though, Steevo. As I said, there are ways and means of creating Free Energy that are developed and waiting for Disclosure to succed. It will... soon!

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Great vid! I've seen it before on TV. Robert Newman is so funny and very satirical. I love the sketch with Archduke Ferdinand!

[ezbar]

Here is a link to the perth busses (it is my home town I've seen them around)

http://www.dpi.wa.gov.au/ecobus/1206.asp

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Originally Posted by ezbar

Here is a link to the perth busses (it is my home town I've seen them around)

http://www.dpi.wa.gov.au/ecobus/1206.asp

It's a good idea. Now all we need is a way to charge the fuel cells in an ecofriendly way. It won't be long now and we will. Then again if it's practical, why not just put the generator in the bus itself and do away with the hydrogen middle-man.

[seamus]

Originally Posted by hagbard_celine

It's a good idea. Now all we need is a way to charge the fuel cells in an ecofriendly way. It won't be long now and we will. Then again if it's practical, why not just put the generator in the bus itself and do away with the hydrogen middle-man.

There are several proven systems by which to extract zero-point energy from the vacuum of space. The fact that these are not used, and hydrogen is being favored, is just more proof of what I said before, the elite don't care about the energy source, they only care about control, and the fool cell, er, i mean, fuel cell, is just another way to dupe the masses.

Do these buses use the pulse motor called "the wheel"? these buses do:
http://www.e-traction.com/the_whisper.htm the e-traction company has developed a system which eliminates the drivetrain completely by turning the wheels into motors!

Now, that's a real improvement!

of course, drive it with a bedini motor/generator, or the EV gray device, or Stan Meyer's hydrogen splitting technology coupled with a fool cell or even a hybrid IC setup, and you start talking COP!

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[hagbard_celine]

Originally Posted by seamus

There are several proven systems by which to extract zero-point energy from the vacuum of space. The fact that these are not used, and hydrogen is being favored, is just more proof of what I said before, the elite don't care about the energy source, they only care about control, and the fool cell, er, i mean, fuel cell, is just another way to dupe the masses.

Do these buses use the pulse motor called "the wheel"? these buses do:
http://www.e-traction.com/the_whisper.htm the e-traction company has developed a system which eliminates the drivetrain completely by turning the wheels into motors!

Now, that's a real improvement!

of course, drive it with a bedini motor/generator, or the EV gray device, or Stan Meyer's hydrogen splitting technology coupled with a fool cell or even a hybrid IC setup, and you start talking COP!

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You're right. The elite only care about control.

There are several schemes in place to make ordinary fossil fuel-powered engines more efficient. I read, in Nexus I think, about someone who's got a working prototype of a motor that doubles the normal power to fuel consumption ratio, and he's being harrased by the oil companies... and he's not even into Free Energy! He's only suggesting we use less fossil fuels! See how desperate they are!?

[kblood]

About the tax on fuel issue, I just know that there is tax on fuels here in Denmark, and they are higher than normal tax. So when you take a product that is meant to be food and use it as fuel, it becomes another product and they tax it. I think farmers could use some fuel for work that they did not have to pay tax for, and back in that time, they could probably make this fuel themselves. Because of this they had their cars tested when used in non-work related driving to see which of the types of gas they were running on.

I believe that in the end became a law or tax on fuel as a product on its own. As far as I know, it doesnt even matter if what you use for fuel has already been taxed, but hopelly they are changing these stupid rules. Also our cars have 180% tax on them

[steevo]

Originally Posted by ezbar

Here is a link to the perth busses (it is my home town I've seen them around)

http://www.dpi.wa.gov.au/ecobus/1206.asp

Thanks ezbar for the link to that site. Here is a quote that I found on there :-

"Fuel cells will power cars with little or no waste at all. We happen to believe that fuel cells are the wave of the future; that fuel cells offer incredible opportunity".
US President George W. Bush Feb 25, 2002

Originally Posted by hagbard_celine

It's a good idea. Now all we need is a way to charge the fuel cells in an ecofriendly way. It won't be long now and we will. Then again if it's practical, why not just put the generator in the bus itself and do away with the hydrogen middle-man.

The above quote from Bush *spit* is why we can't cut out the middle man, cos the little inbred bastard is involved in it.

But the good news is that, if we continue to research the Free Energy thing, the knowledge we gain is power no pun intended

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Originally Posted by kblood

About the tax on fuel issue, I just know that there is tax on fuels here in Denmark, and they are higher than normal tax. So when you take a product that is meant to be food and use it as fuel, it becomes another product and they tax it. I think farmers could use some fuel for work that they did not have to pay tax for, and back in that time, they could probably make this fuel themselves. Because of this they had their cars tested when used in non-work related driving to see which of the types of gas they were running on.

I believe that in the end became a law or tax on fuel as a product on its own. As far as I know, it doesnt even matter if what you use for fuel has already been taxed, but hopelly they are changing these stupid rules. Also our cars have 180% tax on them

It's not as if they don't take much money from us already!

In the Llanelli case though fuel tax evasion was not the real motive of the prosecution. The real motive was to stop people using alternative fuel sources to the official ones: petrol and diesel from your local Taxaco station. They can't come out and reveal their agenda openly though, so they do the guy for tax evasion as an excuse.

[ezbar]

Here is a story by Catalyst from the ABC (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) that examines the trials for the Perth busses (which highlighted some difficulties in hydrogen powered vehicles) and examines clean ways to produces hydrogen via algae.

Very interesting

http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/s2050132.htm

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Originally Posted by Hagbard Celine

But whoever purchsed the cooking oil has already paid VAT on it. If you prosecute someone for not paying tax on it again as fuel then it means that this product is being taxed twice!

In the UK vegetable oil sold as food is zero rated for VAT so no you dont have to pay twice and to answer the question in your first post no we dont already pay tax on cooking oil. Only when you use cooking oil for fuel is VAT charged on it. Even then its charged at a reduced rate.

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They charge a reduced rate of VAT on cooking oil used for fuel so in my book thats encouraging people to do it.

Biodiesel that can be shown to meet the full definition will attract a duty rate of 20 pence per litre lower than the sulphur-free diesel rate.

Sure doesn't look like they are trying to stomp on this to me. It looks like a case of someone not knowing what they are posting about.

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Originally Posted by deca

http://waterpoweredcar.com/stanmeyer.html

Think how much money spent in iraq how better could it be used!!!

Arabs sell us oil we sell them guns.

Stan Meyer's was convicted of fraud unfortunately hes a lying stinking religious freak con man. He robbed friends relatives and investors of the money they had invested in his worthless "invention" he sold "dealerships" for up to $100,000 offering investors the "right to do business'' in Water Fuel Cell technology. Meyer refused to allow anyone else to measure his device. Something that was only done when disgruntled investors took him to court.

There was nothing revolutionary about Stan Meyer's "invention" it was simply using conventional electrolysis.

Dennis Lee was in on the scam they actually used to use churches to recrut investors.