reconciling the dimensional being

[verndewd]

ever since my sister had the dream about walking through dimensions I have been on a tangent to explore the multi dimensional being.
i posted some info from myself as well as another poster here whod happened on a good science find in the shift of ages thread.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showt...=124300&page=3

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=111209

This dimension we call home seems as if it could be a midway point between all of our dimensional bodies since extremes of both ends of the spectrums can manifest here. What I like to call dimensional bleeding or leaking.

I also theorized on another thread http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=129971 That solidity is an illusion manifested by repetition.

So I was meditating last night after seeing a bright light very far up in the sky pulse and seem to travel into the corner star of the big dipper and disappear.
I saw hands on a device by being dressed in white and travelled through the device's blue light, travelling continued through many strange visualizations until I arrived at a visualization of all of my dimensional selves where I promptly started connecting the heart chakra of all the selves , by the end I felt as though I was connected to all dimensional selves hearts.

i could see the differences in the planes or dimensions as in the darkest dimension of the self I manifested realization in light and redefined the ideas of the darkness into passive observation , for example, the ability to witness anti light is to assume the bengness of anti light though not being that which seems apparent but only observing the interaction without judgement.

I felt this is a dimensional bleed through that needs the attention in my life as many here can attest

I hadnt intended on seeing anything with the meditation I just felt if there were visitors in the sky perhaps theyd like to chat

reconciling the dimensional self is seeing the differences, changing the idea of personally investing creation into judgeing it and manifesting the connection of the energy center.

All dimensional selves are required to make you who you are in the god mind and being, it is important that you redefine the darkest self into a passive observer and make whatever changes to each dimensional representation that increase your resonance.

If you have ideas on this please share them, this level of interaction with the self is kinda new. I mean i knew about paralell universes a long time ago just havent had a meditation like this..

Your thoughts are appreciated

[verndewd]

We are connected to each dimensional representation, I think theoretically it only takes one consciousness to bring about convergence and there by ascension. I believe this could be the prerequisite to ascending to god mind that you first realize the multidimensionality of the self and then reconcile the dimensional disharmony.
i wouldnt think that reconciling the disharmony is instantaneous. it could require that after the realization it necessitates travel to a dimension where the lifespan is long enough to accomodate the learning it requires at the intervals of dimensional shifts noted by The Hopi and other indigenous / ancient observations.

[verndewd]

http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/interdimern.htm
http://www.lightcoloursound.com/spir...psychotherapy/

http://selftoself.com/messages/a07_07_05.htm

a short search uncovered some interesting ideas.

[verndewd]

Ok since we have no takers I will venture out on a limb to explain what was inspired in me.

just as a foot note I try drawing diagrams and symbols to wrap my head around this idea and have come up with just fragmnents of relative ideas but here goes.

certain core aspects of our being are relative to the core aspects of our different dimensional selves. we could see this like vortexes or channels to these other dimensions where these core aspects of our being reside, like a myraid of rabbit holes of potential direction for the self.

these go from infinitely slow and dense to infinitely fast and light.

Observing these dimensional vortexes in our core aspects of being and connecting to all of then is the beginning of the act of convergence or reconciliation of the aspects of being to solidify the procession to your individual destination. meaning yes you choose it whatever it is.

In visualizing and connecting to the heart chakras you come to visualize the core aspect of each dimension where by you can manifest direction by reconciling differences in perception to the desired aspect of being , which means You must enlighten the dimensional self to the desired direction and adjust the perception of each dimension to suit it.

Thats where I draw the passive observer idea to the slowest dimension, where you could say that aspect would be similar to the effects of nuclear radiation on organic beings, its a passive destruction, so you need only observe that rather than act on it.
which in this plane would mean a similar idea of non judgement and non low vibrational actions.

[zsymon]

I believe that we are all souls that are billions of years old.. we have already
learned all these things we are seeking in this one incarnation.. I believe that
our purpose here is not to ascend or to become enlightened, because these
concepts have no meaning at all, if you know that the soul is already billions
of years old.

I believe that we come here to remember who we are, to bypass the blocks
that caused our amnesia, so we can be reminded what our purpose is, as to
start working on fulfilling our purpose. This amnesia only occurs when we go
into an incarnation here on Earth, because of global blocks that have been
laid over this planet by the darkness. It was never intended that we lose all
our memories and our connection with our higher selves when we are born.
As we are not here to learn, but to heal, and amnesia does not teach, it only
blocks remembering.

I don't believe that our purpose is to ourselves, but that our purpose is to
others, to humanity and to the planet. I believe that we are all great beings
with amazing healing capacity, and our purpose in this solar system, is to
heal the damage caused by the darkness to what was here before this solar
system.

Ascension and enlightenment are all service to self concepts, they are status
ego concepts and we are not here to serve ourselves. We are here to serve
those around us with the energy of unconditional love. So this planet may be
restored to the paradise it was always meant to be. Negativity is not part of
life on Earth, negativity came from outside of this solar system in an invasion,
long ago.

[verndewd]

well belief is just belief

I believe we are part of a massive mechanism that recreates itself, that we are new additions to a process whos age is inconcievable and that in order to fulfill the billions of years old form that was created for each of us to grow into, we are to learn as much as we can from the trail of ancient and current knowledge that exists.

I believe there is a god persona created for every creative intellect to grow into and to do that we need to adjust our sight to see reality as our god self does which in this place means coming to bhudda or christ mind.

I believe the process means drawing as much from our divine dimension into ourselves as is possible in one life to sway the other dimensional selves into one accord and then we may ascend to higher dimensions of consciousness to continue the great work, most likely without much remembrance of the dimension we exited.

This giving the illusion of past lives when its one singular progression through dimensions.

[zsymon]

It's an interesting belief for sure.. but it seems to be entirely based on
service to self, on learning to become stronger and better yourself, on
ascending as an individual into a higher consciousness or dimension, in
which we become wiser and stronger and in which we gain more power
and knowledge..

All this is in service to ourselves..

My very being cries out to help others, this has always been like that,
so I cannot believe we exist just to serve ourselves, just to improve
ourselves, just to become more knowledgable or powerful ourselves.

That is why I said enlightenment and ascension are status concepts,
because they place us above others. I believe we are all equal in value,
so status means ego, and ego only exists to serve to self.

Anyway, that is just my perspective.

[verndewd]

Originally Posted by zsymon

It's an interesting belief for sure.. but it seems to be entirely based on
service to self, on learning to become stronger and better yourself, on
ascending as an individual into a higher consciousness or dimension, in
which we become wiser and stronger and in which we gain more power
and knowledge..

But all this is in serve to ourselves..

My very being cries out to help others, this has always been like that,
so I cannot believe we exist just to serve ourselves, just to improve
ourselves, just to become more knowledgable or powerful ourselves.

Anyway, that is just my perspective.

youre looking at it in reverse. It has nothing to do with service to the self as the process is entirely self less.

[zsymon]

I don't understand, how is living and existing for the sole reason of improving yourself, selfless?
By existing and living to improve yourself, you are serving no one but yourself, no one is in any
way benefiting from your work, except yourself.

You see what I mean?

[verndewd]

Originally Posted by zsymon

I don't understand, how is living and existing for the sole reason of improving yourself, selfless?

persevere in your life and doctrine and you will save yourself as well as others. it means the closer you get the closer thos around you get.

[zsymon]

Hmm, sorry I don't understand that, I don't understand how you are helping
others by saving yourself, could you explain it more clearly to me, please? I
feel that I am not really getting what you are trying to say.

[verndewd]

Originally Posted by zsymon

Hmm, sorry I don't understand that, I don't understand how you are helping
others by saving yourself, by living and existing only to improve yourself..
could you explain it more clearly to me, please?

its not a good sign that you cant see it zsymon.

were all vessals of information, we exchange this information on a daily basis through spoken written and physical language. As we evolve our understanding evolves and hence our languages follow, generally the people we are closest to pick up on that , the people that see and witness these things pick up on that, in order to maintain a dilaogue they have to implement what they see or they reject it and dialogue stops.

its completyely synergistic, now I have illuminated everything about how I understand my path to any willing to make use of it and done so free of charge.

i would say thats pretty selfless. I realize not everyone will use the same descriptors and that has immense purpose in the greater design, again being selfless.

Its the saving of the self while sharing all the information as you go, again selfless.

its the unkowing of the end state of being and non judgement as to the pinnacle state that again is selfless.

do I need to continue?

[zsymon]

Sharing information by itself is not selfless, it could be selfless if your intent
is truly to help others, and not just sharing it out of boredom, but it could
also be done for malicious reasons. Not saying you belong to either groups,
just as an example.

With serving others I mean sacrificing yourself for them, I don't mean you
should sacrifice your life for someone, although that would be one of the most
intense ways of serving others, but I mean sacrificing your energy and your
time for others.

Such as growing vegetables and giving them to the poor, or serving in a
hospital a few hours a week without asking for payment, or helping your
old mother get through the day, or spending time with old people in their
homes to battle their loneliness, or using your innate spiritual healing gifts
to heal the sick and the troubled.

I'm talking about real service to others..

I believe that this is why we are born onto this planet, to actually serve
others instead of spending all our time working on ourselves. I agree that
an extent of work on the self must be done to remember the healing gifts
that are necessary to spiritually help others, but most service to others
does not require any work on the self at all.

I believe that this is why we are born, to make the planet into a better
place through service to others and sacrifice of the self for others. Many
of us live good lives, but the vast majority of people on Earth live miserable
lives, and they deserve our help.. they can't do anything with what we
share on forums free of charge, they need our money, our commitment,
our effort, our energy and our time.. not our metaphysical ponderings.

With all the posts we make in our lives, we won't help a single child in
Pakistan, we won't help a single person in our family, we won't help a single
person even in our closest neighbourhood..

Our forum posts and our spiritual sharing of beliefs may give people some ideas
about how the metaphysical world works, but it doesn't actually help anyone
at all with their lives.

If we are honest, it just serves our own need to be recognized and respected
by a community. The only way I am actually helping people on this forum, is
not by feeding them the knowledge I learned from my experiences, but by
giving them access to a healer that works for free and from any distance. That
is my only actual contribution to the world when I sit behind my computer and
write my posts.. I'm not even doing the healing myself.. so how much am I really
helping the world, personally?

That is why I try to teach people how to spiritually awaken and remember who
they really are, so they too, like I am trying, can remember their healing gifts
and use them in the service of the sick, the depressed and the troubled. As this
is a very efficient way to improve people's lives, without having to do physical
labour, which not all of us are capable of.

[verndewd]

Originally Posted by zsymon

Sharing information by itself is not selfless, it could be selfless if your intent
is truly to help others, and not just sharing it out of boredom, but it could
also be done for malicious reasons. Not saying you belong to either groups,
just as an example.

With serving others I mean sacrificing yourself for them, I don't mean you
should sacrifice your life for someone, although that would be one of the most
intense ways of serving others, but I mean sacrificing your energy and your
time for others.

Such as growing vegetables and giving them to the poor, or serving in a
hospital a few hours a week without asking for payment, or helping your
old mother get through the day, or spending time with old people in their
homes to battle their loneliness, or using your innate spiritual healing gifts
to heal the sick and the troubled.

I'm talking about real service to others..

I believe that this is why we are born onto this planet, to actually serve
others instead of spending all our time working on ourselves. I agree that
an extent of work on the self must be done to remember the healing gifts
that are necessary to spiritually help others, but most service to others
does not require any work on the self at all.

I believe that this is why we are born, to make the planet into a better
place through service to others and sacrifice of the self for others. Many
of us live good lives, but the vast majority of people on Earth live miserable
lives, and they deserve our help.. they can't do anything with what we
share on forums free of charge, they need our money, our commitment,
our effort, our energy and our time.. not our metaphysical ponderings.

With all the posts we make in our lives, we won't help a single child in
Pakistan, we won't help a single person in our family, we won't help a single
person even in our closest neighbourhood..

Our forum posts and our spiritual sharing of beliefs may give people some ideas
about how the metaphysical world works, but it doesn't actually help anyone
at all with their lives.

are you making comparative judgements?

I am really questioning motive here.

I have a pretty good track record in my life, not perfect but still pretty damn good. what you seem to be implying is so erroneous i seriously need to caution you to look at your life and dont compare it to what you think of mine but do not know. i cant believe you typed that.

[zsymon]

I am not comparing my life to yours, and I am not comparing your life
to anything at all. I am not attempting to make judgements about your
life, I apologize if it came across like that.

I was not talking about your personal life.

I was questioning a life in service to our own improvement, without ever
taking the time to actually help someone, such as many people seem to
act like, who claim to be on a path of enlightenment or ascension. I was
responding to your metaphysical beliefs and not making comments on
your personal achievements.

My only point was, that making metaphysical posts and working on our
own ascension or enlightenment, will not actually help anyone at all. I
then continued and used myself as an example for this perspective. I'm
not sure why you think I was attacking you personally.. you should know
by now I never attack people, and I do my best to never judge them either.

[verndewd]

Originally Posted by zsymon

I am not comparing my life to yours, and I am not comparing your life
to anything at all. I am not attempting to make judgements about your
life, I apologize if it came across like that.

My only point was, that making metaphysical posts and working on our
own ascension or enlightenment, will not actually help anyone at all.

i can prove that wrong hand over fist. And you did judge me and what information I was tasked to explain, not only in the bolded statement but in the statement above.

i want to lay one simple principal down for you, darkness cannot be where light is, where ever you bring light you unburden the path for others and reduce stumbling, and were all working on various levels of that affecting the various levels of minds persuing it, you at your level and me at mine, and not out of boredom as you accused, for me its out of desperation to make sense of a gift i was given , because I know that If i can illuminate it well enough others will take it from there and expand on it.

Your posts have been disappointing and pointed in this thread, I attribute that to where youre at in your persuit and the level of sight you have so far. i wouldnt continue to make these implications If I were you, I think it could slow you to do so.

[verndewd]

i want to add that I am everyone and everyone is me. In the infinite collective information is instantaneously available regardless of what seems to be distance, growth from manifested realization is instantaneous. The same applies here, the increase of your own light unburdens the world and increases the worlds light.

all of the statements you have made so far are completely material based. You cant save anyone but you and if you "save " you others can learn by your methods and gauin immensely. the preservation of the many lies in the preservation of the one, and if you can honor one life and nurture it to fruition you have unburdened the whole.

The path begins and ends in you . once you are light people will see by you, And i am one of the very few who cast self profit off decades ago in lieu of mass profit knowing that as many define their unique paths and own them we all become less burdened and more like what we were designed to be.

i dont create followers and co dependants i show people their equality and make them brothers. were all men like this there would be no gaza issue nor the ego to weigh comparatives in the face of sincerity and concern for the world.

[firstlook]

Function and formula is the discipline I see predominately discussed when talking about service to self and service to others.

It seems that the function we choose to raise emotional frequency is often misconceived as personal formula. This is judged from both sides of the argument. That is it only happens when the argument or conflict is realized between two identities.

But i think its often like I said, a loss of trust in another's free will to experiment with their formula, for a more effective function.

I must also point out that service to others is a mirror concept. And so if your observation of another's interest in service to self concept is indeed your own perception of how to include new formula. While still keeping core function.

So it seems that real service to others in this Earth reality are not debaters of the subject itself. Disagreement falls second to adaption and reflection.

Change is requisite, and so service to self is a way of holographic creativity.

Again its a mirror concept so, its all relative I guess anyways.

[verndewd]

Originally Posted by firstlook

Function and formula is the discipline I see predominately discussed when talking about service to self and service to others.

It seems that the function we choose to raise emotional frequency is often misconceived as personal formula. This is judged from both sides of the argument. That is it only happens when the argument or conflict is realized between two identities.

But i think its often like I said, a loss of trust in another's free will to experiment with their formula, for a more effective function.

I must also point out that service to others is a mirror concept. And so if your observation of another's interest in service to self concept is indeed your own perception of how to include new formula. While still keeping core function.

So it seems that real service to others in this Earth reality are not debaters of the subject itself. Disagreement falls second to adaption and reflection.

Change is requisite, and so service to self is a way of holographic creativity.

Again its a mirror concept so, its all relative I guess anyways.

I think that is appropriate if however complex for some. It suits how I see it. There isnt alot of discussion on my threads and I dont beg others to change that, I share the immensely complicated vision I was given in hopes that even a strand of it can be useful to others.

[firstlook]

Originally Posted by verndewd

I think that is appropriate if however complex for some. It suits how I see it.

I think also their is a......."high singularity potential" in the idea of focus on self to benefit others. That is indeed a heavy topic.