The Astral World (my experiences).

[i_am]

Originally Posted by hanz

I've no idea how I offended you, but I'm sorry that I did.

You have not offended me per se.

What I said was that it bothers me that you have set yourself up as some sort of authority to the many people just beginning their journey of self awareness.

I have been on this journey since long before you were even born but I would not presume to tell others what is and what isn't. There are so many variables.

Your thoughts and experiences are always quite negative so once again, for the third time,

Maybe it depends on where your consciousness is at

I am quite sure you mean well but sometimes it is good to step back and look at ourselves. Are we really resonating with the vibration of the universe? We all need to do this from time to time .

[quetzalcoatl]

Originally Posted by zsymon

Sarcasm from someone on warning, isn't exactly intimidating.

Uh-oh! - my hidden agenda of intimidation has been uncovered! There's some sarcasm for ya!

It was a genuine question, yet I'd understand if you are being defensive / evasive.

But yeah, it all sounds like horse-shit.

[merlincove]

Originally Posted by hanz

I'm sorry, I've seen too much to know that this is not true, at least not in my reality,
and not in the reality of many, many others, who told me of experiences that were identical
in type, to mine. I've met dozens and dozens of people who all went into the astral, who'd
thought they found beauty, Light and love, just like I thought.. but who had to see it all be
just an illusion, an illusion to draw them out of their purpose in life.

This is just strengthened by every astral traveler, everytime a person as that, speaks to me
in any negative manner, I see and feel claws and fangs ride on those negative emotions, to
strike at me and rip at me. This is not their or your fault, it is just all the beings that attach
themselves to us in the astral, without our knowledge.

I Am, what a contradiction is it to tell someone that there is no love in what they write, how
much love is there in such a statement then, is that not a prime example of hypocrisy? I just
tried to give you the same love and respect I try to give everyone, I'm sorry if you feel that
I failed.

I know you mean well Merlincove, you have a lot of love in your heart, I feel this.

I will leave, I guess I've said all that matters here. I wish you well Merly.

i sense a great deal of sadness in your words, symon, and i admit i have been somewhat short with you due to my own frustrations at some of the things you write - i'm learning to deal with this

The last line made me smile, it's nice we have that familiarity - and i think that's what the forum is about - whether we agree or not

And i am sorry that your Astral experiences have been of negativity, because i know there is much beauty for the soul to experience......

It seems a maxim to you that light / love can not experience meaningful and joyous expressions in the Astral, it seems a maxim to me that the opposite is true.

It isn't a matter of who is right, and who is wrong, because both experiences are valid - but moreover it is a matter of where your consciousness is at, like i_am says, i can't put it better than than.

While i speak of detachment, (need to detach from frustration lol ) it is part of the process of letting the soul go without affixing to it 3d parameters from the programmes that govern us - because the soul is the free-est bird, give her her wings and her expression is one of pure beauty: there is nothing like it, no words can express it - love is but a hint at the feeling.

That feeling brings tears of warmth and happiness - the only expression that comes close is being embraced by Infinite Love, because i guess in that perfect expression of itself, that is what soul touches.

i think the only thing that stops that happening is our own 3d-mind-think

Escaping the bondage of the 3d matrix construct thinking helps us detach from the programmes of it.

When i was younger (up until i was 21) i would Astral at the drop of a hat - in fact i used to need to walk with my head bowed, concentrating on the floor to keep grounded It became a natural thing to do, because if i wasn't focused on the Earth, i was off on one

I've since learned to temper that, though i still have my moments lol

So i guess i am able to detach from 3d thinking more easily than others (sometimes ) - and i think that is key: understanding your own beauty and wondrous sovereignty of Self (that nothing is sovereign over your spirit - that is a massive factor to embrace ) and that the soul can not be governed by anything - just these two facets of mind can shift our experiences and alter our consciousness.

The video that has been posted a few times on the forum (i think by 10thlight), of the heart mantra:

A Discourse on the Heart Sutra, with Chi Kung - Part1 - YouTube

A Discourse on the Heart Sutra, with Chi Kung - Part1 - YouTube

Before i ever saw the video - this method of sovereignty is one i have always utilised - complete detachment, using an invisible 'force' to compel ones own energy and remain in perfect being, uneffected by projected negativity.

It is a magical tool, and symon, one that i hope you can embrace the concept, and lift your sights into the world where beauty and perfection reign supreme

[owls]

Hi Zsymon!

Do you also communicate within your mind to others?
How about writing a book about your experiences? Would be very interesting to read.
How's your health situation going?

Hope you're alright.

[luuu]

Zsymon i see you have came back, how are things? May i ask you if the non light are able to love. Ive came across a saying that says...

"There are many shades of black"....

meaning i think some non light are totally incapable of love, their to dark but some are more grey instead of pitch black. The grey ones can feel our love and it intrigues them, just like the dark intrigues some of the light?

[consciousness]

Originally Posted by zsymon

If the interview is real at all, then the alien is lying out of its arse.

Such a system as he describes does not even exist for non light souls, at least
not in this solar system.

I seriously doubt that this interview is anything else than manufactured though.
These aliens have a very distinct energy, as I have met them before, and I did
not feel that energy with that interview. I just feel intentions of deception from
very dark human beings.

Electricity, no matter how many billions of volts, also has absolutely no effect
on souls. Souls won't even feel a tickle standing in hundred million trillion volt.

Hi zsymon,
I'm a bit confused.

On the one hand you say the above in bold, and in other posts you said when you astral travelled you experienced great pain from harmfull entities.

How can you say souls cannot be harmed if you have ?
Just trying to figure this one out ??

As far as i remember, it's not just normal electricity, but kind of like a power source that wipes memories from souls. Or something to that effect.

thanks for your time.

[nightingale]

Hi again, zsymon. Hope you're well. Just a quick question... How did/do you cope with suicidal feelings? (due to the severe ongoing pain you've experienced) When a Light soul commits suicide, do they simply bounce back to their original state? I'd assume it could be more complicated than that, depending on what caused them to do it-- be it dark entities, or a simple chemical imbalance.

[fishonwheels]

Probably read half this thread backwards as usual but have no problem keeping it straight.

Question for zsymon if you still around. How long ago was it again when non-light invaded our solar system?

[musten]

Originally Posted by fishonwheels

Question for zsymon if you still around. How long ago was it again when non-light invaded our solar system?

Some info here: zsymon's Awakening of our Solar System / Earth and its History. (in short)

[rodin]

Originally Posted by zsymon

the vibrational energy of the Earth has
become so incredibly high, that all power of the non light was broken, and
broken permanently..

What a crock.

4 stars for this disinfo? 5 stars to you from those behind GLP ATS etc.

There IS a spiritual 'realm' BTW IMO

[matteria]

edit: *better left alone*

*moving to Zsymon's forum*

[merlincove]

Originally Posted by matteria

edit: *better left alone*

*moving to Zsymon's forum*

Interesting that you say: Infinite love is the only truth; everything else is illusion.

Do you think that experiences in the Astral that are inherantly negative are illusions or truth?

i try and deal with truth, or at least try and see beyond the illusions to experience truth.

Whatever truth may be, i'm sure for each of us it is a different concept.

I wonder then given one persons truth, and an opposing truth as expressed through anothers experience, who sees the true truth?

Where one truth is focussed on negativity, and another detached from negativity......

Negativity, pain and suffering can not be of Infinite Love - so they must be part of the illusion.

So, how do people break out and away from that illusion?

I'd be interested in reading your response - because that 'break out' is something i have been trying to express in-thread

[matteria]

hee hee hee. do u think you're clever merlin?

[merlincove]

Does it matter?



Simply asking your opinion is all, Infinite Love is the only truth - so where does the experience of negativity within the astral fit in? It's all illusion yes?

It's been mooted that 'love' and / or 'light' is illusary within the Astral, i don't believe this - but if it is then by the same token so is negativity, pain and torment.

How can one experience be illusary while the other is not?

Ultimately, Infinite Love is the only truth - i think we have to drop our expressions and understandings / conceptions of realisms (3d programming) in order to fully appreciate the maxim Infinite Love is the only truth - it's not easy though, but the spirit knows, the spirit remembers while the physical brain can not.

Care to share your thoughts?

[matteria]

Originally Posted by loveisthelaw

could be wrong, though this post suggests you have never experienced astral projection

Originally Posted by zsymon

I have experienced it literally thousands of times. More than any person
who ever visited this forum.

Up to fifteen times per night, every night for five years, you do the math.

Why would I even be talking about this if I had never experienced it.

Originally Posted by merlincove

That is some claim zysmon



And would you say that your truth is the only truth?

Is it possible that you could have been deceived and that you were under the power of illusion?

You claim that anyone who sees the astral as a place of beauty and love are suffering a deception? Could it be that they are right and you are wrong?

Interestingly you talk about the Earth's spirit layers - could this not be part of the astral - don't forget that the astral is none physical: is the Earth's spirit layer a physical reality?

My thoughts:

Originally Posted by zsymon

ALL our beliefs are unproven, that's the nature of spiritual belief.

Yours and mine and everyone else's.

I have never claimed my beliefs to be proven fact.


Spiritual discussion should serve to enrichen eachothers beliefs, and add color and
flavour to it, to help eachother reach deeper levels of truth.. NOT to judge who may
be right and who may be wrong.

Do you not agree with this?

This was of course stated prior to your insistence that the OP doesn't know what he's talking about, something you made very doubtful after 20+ pages of scoffing, chiding, and belittling of his opinion.

To be honest, I don't really care if the OP is 'right' or not. To me he clearly has the best of intentions and is just sharing his experiences and insights which are fascinating. To me.

If his thoughts did not resonate with me, I would not proceed to relentlessly attack him every other reply, armed with sarcasm and a self-righteous attitude. A few times I might present the differences in my opinion to see if the discussion leads to any new understandings. If it was clear we were in disagreement, I would not let it go over 2 pages, much less 20, and then call for back up from the 'tech adviser' to try and scare the off the perceived 'opposition' to my fragile belief system.

But no, you chose to effectively turn him into a Jesus figure, getting your staff buddy to team up and try to discredit him by pretentiously toying with different perceptions because you refuse to respect a difference in opinion. You refuse to let someone have his/her own model of reality - especially if you don't like him/her while other people do. And on that note, I could not fully understand the issue which required him to make a new account to continue posting in his thread, but I'd bet you have something to do with it.

Ultimately, I don't necessarily give a flying f-bomb about what you or anyone believes. I simply discern people who follow wise patterns of behavior from people who follow unwise ones - that's the most effective method for me to determine which people in my reality can add to my perception in a healthy manner.

I think your behavior as a 'Moderator' speaks for itself. :stupid troll face:

[merlincove]

Originally Posted by matteria

My thoughts:



This was of course stated prior to your insistence that the OP doesn't know what he's talking about, something you made very doubtful after 20+ pages of scoffing, chiding, and belittling of his opinion.

To be honest, I don't really care if the OP is 'right' or not. To me he clearly has the best of intentions and is just sharing his experiences and insights which are fascinating. To me.

If his thoughts did not resonate with me, I would not proceed to relentlessly attack him every other reply, armed with sarcasm and a self-righteous attitude. A few times I might present the differences in my opinion to see if the discussion leads to any new understandings. If it was clear we were in disagreement, I would not let it go over 2 pages, much less 20, and then call for back up from the 'tech adviser' to try and scare the off the perceived 'opposition' to my fragile belief system.

But no, you chose to effectively turn him into a Jesus figure, getting your staff buddy to team up and try to discredit him by pretentiously toying with different perceptions because you refuse to respect a difference in opinion. You refuse to let someone have his/her own model of reality - especially if you don't like him/her while other people do. And on that note, I could not fully understand the issue which required him to make a new account to continue posting in his thread, but I'd bet you have something to do with it.

Ultimately, I don't necessarily give a flying f-bomb about what you or anyone believes. I simply discern people who follow wise patterns of behavior from people who follow unwise ones - that's the most effective method for me to determine which people in my reality can add to my perception in a healthy manner.

I think your behavior as a 'Moderator' speaks for itself. :stupid troll face:

Fair enough - and your points are valid, if a little off-track from the question i asked. Yeah, i was a little harsh, but Z knows i bare him no ill-will - yet my siding with a drive toward detachment from negativity was an aid toward halting any suffering Z was encountering - perhaps through frustration that came across as attacking.....

In response to a few of your points: firstly i didn't get my "staff buddy to team up..." i_am has a vocice her own and posts what she wishes to, it has no reflection or drive from me. But the point made that we are all @ different levels of consciousness seems fair - and perhaps is the truest thing written in this thread, imho.

That level of consciousness seems to reflect why i have never experienced prolongued or focussed negativity of the like Z expresses - and where i have, i have simply detached from it - stepped away. i see no merit in focussing the mind on negativity - it stays our progression bothe metally and emotionally as well as spiritually.

The Lama's video i posted on the Heart sutra is a very good example of how i do this 'step away.' And my aim was to see if Z could do this also - the chiding as you put it was more from frustration than anything else. Because there is a lot of love to be discivered within the Astral, it can be like looking into a mirror (i guess) and where love is within, love will be experienced as it is expressed - and anyone reading Z's words might indoctrinate themselves into fear and be afraid to experience the love-filled aspects that are a very generic aspect of the Self through Astral journeying - i hope that you can see that pov?

When we experience love, we grow. through seeing a prolongued expression of negativity as was recounted here from 1 person's experience may stay a person from experiencing what i (and others) percieve as beauty within the realms of spirit travel.

The second thing i'd like to say is that i am also a member of a forum, i moderate as a volunteer to the forum that i am, like you, a premmier subscriber of - and i think where i post in the instances i have here, then i post as a member, not as a moderator - i don't think i have moderated this thread or the OP, and am staunch in my belief that even though i may not agree with the point of view offered, i wouldn't wish to stem it from my priviliged possition as a moderator - and so i would expect that my possition as a poster be respected, equally, even though you do not agree with the words i write

Thanks for your input, matteria, it is appreciated: ceratianly given me food for thought, and highlighted something that i was kinda self aware of as being an issue in delivery, so i do appreciate your post and your points.

[matteria]

Well let's just say the instance of the account changes coupled with I_am stepping in and taking a similar position against him did not seem like pure coincidence.

What exactly did you find 'negative' about his posts? I already knew that the astral realm was still a place where evil could exist regardless in its present form, and then he talked about how our purpose right now is to raise the vibrational energy of Earth as it lead to the liberation of our galaxy. Wouldn't the liberation of the galaxy from an invading malevolent force (which is a bit difficult for anyone to deny) transform every realm of our reality?

To say all astral travel in this timeline starts with poor spiritual health might not be entirely true, but it's all based on his perception - maybe he is so tired of the negative experiences he has had in it he can't help but feel that way. It's his model of reality. No, I don't think you needed to be reminded but this is more about where I'm coming from.

Infinite Love is the only truth... but I wouldn't try and end every thread topic by saying that; there would be nothing to take an interest in. And from our exceptionally low-vibrational 3D moon-matrix reality, to approach someone and expect them to start living by this maxim sounds... idk, you fill the blank. Regardless it appears in my signature because it is a single consistency despite any conflict, but for a spiritual person there is no need to create or engage conflict in most situations (much less this one)

Anyway, I will put the incident behind me now. I'm glad you were able to see the point of my criticism, though I wasn't really expecting someone who dug through my previous edits to have the humility for that.

[sandan]

Does smoking have an effect on your abilty to astral plane, as i used to be able to go so far when i was young, but have noticed how now i cant?.

[dragonfly]

Is it possible to see glimpses of any possible future while travelling the astral realms? Anything that could relate to beyond 2012?

[chopper999]

Originally Posted by zsymon

On an evolutionary scale, animals are far above humans. They can teach
us so much, while we cannot teach them anything at all. Except cheap
tricks about how to do what we want them to do.

Animals have never
been below humans, and they will never be below humans.. it is time we
respect their lives and start learning from their teaching. Everything we
need to know to live in harmony with nature, they can teach us.

With all due respect go and stick your head inside a wild lions den in the midday African hot sun and see what they can teach you – The lesson will be gee it took us about 10 seconds to rip that guy’s head off lol.