What attracts Masons to the DI forum?

[boeing727]

Hello All

I was wondering what it is about the David Icke site.forum that attracts freemasons to look/join.

Allthough you have every right to be here I cannot work out what it is that makes you take an interest.

[agneau]

Originally Posted by boeing727

Hello All

I was wondering what it is about the David Icke site.forum that attracts freemasons to look/join.

Allthough you have every right to be here I cannot work out what it is that makes you take an interest.

Some join becasue they have an interest in other areas that the Icke site covers, eg 911 conspiracy theories, Paul is dead and we're all lizards - that sort of thing...

Others join becasue they genuinely want to try and put across the truth about what freemasonry is and counteract the sad bigotted nonsense that flies around .

A very few others join becasue they want to be a big fish in a small pond, and they have no alternative.

Me? I'm here because it's lunchtime and the zoo is shut.....

[moon monkey]

I think they come here for the attention really. They can't come here to tell the truth about Freemasonry because most of them don't know the truth or even understand where it comes from and it's purpose.

[eternal_spirit]

There's very few who still post. Maybe 3 that's all and they no longer post regularly. Used to be loads well maybe 20 or so, possibly more.

One reason was about 3 years ago, some Icke forumers went and joined a Freemasons forum and things got a bit argumentative over there.

Some of the Masons joined this forum here and the debates went on for years.

There's alot of disinfo about Masons in conspiracy circles and they were trying to put the disinfo right and tell the truth about Freemasonry.

Imagine if you where part of a group and you where being scapegoated wrongly for all the world's problems (oh I am white and English so guess I am) wouldn't you want to tell your side of the story and dispell the myths and disinfo?

So I now know how the Masons feel.

[agneau]

Originally Posted by moon monkey

I think they come here for the attention really. They can't come here to tell the truth about Freemasonry because most of them don't know the truth or even understand where it comes from and it's purpose.

But hey! Luckily we have you and your marvellous font of all nonsen..knowledge.

And we are grateful for the illumination, dear boy. Really...it makes my lunch just reading your wise words and magic facts conjured out of nowhere.

More please....

[eternal_spirit]

I used to argue with them tooth and nail and had some heated and some good debates - and I was convinced Masons were the one's behind much of the world's evil. I no longer believe this.

The Masons convinced me of some things but I done some independent research and concluded that there's an awful lot of nonsense said about Masons.

Off to the Lodge

[scorpio]

I enjoy debating Freemasonry with Freemasons and non Freemasons alike. There are many people who read this website and have an open mind. There are websites that are run by Freemasons and it would be easy to only read such websites and never to read any person who is critical of Freemasonry.
Also, this website covers a lot more subjects that Freemasonry.
regards
Gerard PM 1316 SC and MM 1209 SC etc

[eternal_spirit]

BTW I am not a Mason, for those wondering.

[ecca]

Originally Posted by moon monkey

I think they come here for the attention really. They can't come here to tell the truth about Freemasonry because most of them don't know the truth or even understand where it comes from and it's purpose.

well, like albert pike said, the lower masons are there to act as an outer portico and are no different than the profane, he wasn't just saying this for fun. there's a different lie at every level, it's not much of a surprise that they've bought into the propaganda given to them, that's the idea, and it accomplishes the goal nicely, it's very well crafted, instilling in the lower masons a sense of purpose and a high sense of decency.

Here's an example of the kind of thing your average mason is being told:

"Fidelity to obligation, and Constancy and Perseverance under difficulties and discouragement. Masonry is engaged in her crusade, against ignorance, intolerance, fanaticism, superstition, uncharitableness, and error."

"A Freemason, therefore, should be a man of honor and of conscience, preferring his duty to everything beside, even to his life; independent in his opinions, and of good morals, submissive to the laws, devoted to humanity, to his country, to his family; kind and indulgent to his brethren, friend of all virtuous men, and ready to assist his fellows by all means in his power."

So, you can understand then that when some outsider comes along and tries to explain to them that masonry isn't so wonderful a thing after all, they can't believe it, and will in ignorance defend masonry to their last breath. It's completely understandable, just as it's completely understandable why an american soldier would defend the propaganda he's been fed to his last breath, truly believing that he's fighting for freedom, that's what it's designed to do.

[thelonious]

Originally Posted by ecca

well, like albert pike said, the lower masons are there to act as an outer portico and are no different than the profane, he wasn't just saying this for fun. there's a different lie at every level, it's not much of a surprise that they've bought into the propaganda given to them, that's the idea, and it accomplishes the goal nicely, it's very well crafted, instilling in the lower masons a sense of purpose and a high sense of decency.

That is not what Pike said, and is a pretty good example about the disinformation spread by anti-Masons.

Pike believed that the Masons were the Knights Templar in disguise, and that since the Blue Degrees don't mention the Templars, then false interpretations of the symbols were given there.

We now know that Pike was wrong on both counts, and that his ideas concerning this are way outdated. However, that doesn't stop the anti-Masons from referencing him completely out of context to back up their own mistakes.

[ecca]

Originally Posted by thelonious

That is not what Pike said, and is a pretty good example about the disinformation spread by anti-Masons.

Pike believed that the Masons were the Knights Templar in disguise, and that since the Blue Degrees don't mention the Templars, then false interpretations of the symbols were given there.

We now know that Pike was wrong on both counts, and that his ideas concerning this are way outdated. However, that doesn't stop the anti-Masons from referencing him completely out of context to back up their own mistakes.

yeah, yeah, international brotherhoods/societies with secrets could never be used for anything but good, and if they were to be used as part of an agenda, I'm sure they'd let you, and everyone else down at the local middle-class lodge, in on it.

[thelonious]

Originally Posted by ecca

yeah, yeah, international brotherhoods/societies with secrets could never be used for anything but good, and if they were to be used as part of an agenda, I'm sure they'd let you, and everyone else down at the local middle-class lodge, in on it.

I see you didn't address any of my points. Of course, I didn't expect you to be able to. The anti-Masons can use only fallacious arguments and ad hominems. Typical.

[luciferhorus]

Originally Posted by thelonious

Pike believed that the Masons were the Knights Templar in disguise, and that since the Blue Degrees don't mention the Templars, ....
We now know that Pike was wrong on both counts, .

Oh please, Thelonious. The Masons are ultimately a Christian Capitalist religious / economic cult who believe that they are carrying on the legacy of the Capitalist, state terrorist / narco-terrorist, anti-communist Christ (Jesus) and the Knight's Templars. Any Mason or Capitalist Christian who refutes that is either ignorant or bearing false witness.

Christ to the Masonic cultists is the ultimate Capitalist devil.

Lux

[krakhead]

It started because some idiot from here started frequenting masonic forums and flaming them, but he let them know where else he posted, so they came over to return the favour.

Although most who are still here conduct themselves well and give a much needed balance to anti-mason arguments/misinfo (IMO)

[ecca]

Originally Posted by thelonious

I see you didn't address any of my points. Of course, I didn't expect you to be able to. The anti-Masons can use only fallacious arguments and ad hominems. Typical.

You've bought into the propaganda given to you, I'm not going to fight with you about it, just as I wouldn't fight with the members of local church about the truth behind the Vatican.

It's like arguing with a parking enforcement officer or any other street level bureaucrat about the true situation in Washington DC, he knows what he's been told, that's it, and he's meant to believe it. The books are available to anyone who wants to read them, don't take my word for it.

I'm not saying that you and the members of your local masonic lodge are behind some grand conspiracy. You are not meant to know, you are meant to believe exactly what you do believe, that's the whole idea, and there is no use in arguing with you about it, just like there is no use in arguing with a Muslim about the veracity of the Koran.

[zero1]

Originally Posted by krakhead

Although most who are still here conduct themselves well and give a much needed balance to anti-mason arguments/misinfo (IMO)

Assuming you can tell the pearls from the pigswill...

[moon monkey]

The Masons simply twist history to create their own highly inaccurate Masonic history.

They are in total denial about what they are because most of them simply don't know. The reason for this is that they believe the tripe they are fed in their "lodges" and that they are too pompous and lazy to do their own research. The Templars were evil murderers and thieves and the Masons at the top levels aspire to being the same.

[thelonious]

Originally Posted by ecca

You've bought into the propaganda given to you

Actually, you're the one who's bought into the propaganda given you. I addressed your points, and explained why they were incorrect. You were unable to respond to the actual points made, so you then went into abstract vagueries without actually saying anything.

I'm not saying that you and the members of your local masonic lodge are behind some grand conspiracy. You are not meant to know, you are meant to believe exactly what you do believe, that's the whole idea, and there is no use in arguing with you about it, just like there is no use in arguing with a Muslim about the veracity of the Koran.

Again, in order to make such claims, you need to be able to back it up with some sort of evidence. Otherwise, you're just blowing smoke.

In the real world, Freemasonry is a society of free thinkers. That's why the Masons were condemned by the Church in the first place. As such, each Mason has his own independent ideas about things, and does not necessarily agree with another Mason. Therefore, your comment that Masons are "meant to believe excatly what they believe" has no real meaning.

[twilighterheart]

They came here looking for alternative chicks to fuck. They believe lonely and not so pretty women are easier to bag then others.

[twilighterheart]

Originally Posted by luciferhorus

Look at those dweebs.


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