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Old 25-07-2010, 12:17 AM   #1
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Anyone else know of any direct connection between the leaders in Buddhism and the Masons? Saw an interesting picture today, showing a Buddhist leader shaking hands with...someone of importance, the handshake was very obvious...

I know there are theories the Dalai Lama is a Mason. Maybe the reason why certain religious institutions are allowed to be still standing is because of their "connections.." ?

But it does flie in the face of what Buddhism teaches, surely, to be controlled at the top by the ones the Buddhist philosophy is so opposed to?

Any thoughts, anyone?
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Old 25-07-2010, 12:31 AM   #2
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I was told directly that High Ranking masons are initiated by Dugpas - plenty of info on that thread. Which is basically what the thread is about..and some.
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Old 26-07-2010, 07:47 PM   #3
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But it does flie in the face of what Buddhism teaches, surely, to be controlled at the top by the ones the Buddhist philosophy is so opposed to?
It also flies in the face of Freemasonry. Freemasonry is a democratic organization. Its leaders are elected by majority vote of the general membership.

While there is no direct link between Buddhism and Freemasonry per se, both share several ideas, and there are, and have been, Freemasons who are also Buddhists.
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Old 26-07-2010, 08:57 PM   #6
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Anyone else know of any direct connection between the leaders in Buddhism and the Masons? Saw an interesting picture today, showing a Buddhist leader shaking hands with...someone of importance, the handshake was very obvious...

I know there are theories the Dalai Lama is a Mason. Maybe the reason why certain religious institutions are allowed to be still standing is because of their "connections.." ?

But it does flie in the face of what Buddhism teaches, surely, to be controlled at the top by the ones the Buddhist philosophy is so opposed to?

Any thoughts, anyone?
Impossible for a Buddhist to be a mason because masons practice cycles of reincarnation in order to serve their lord Satan.

Buddhists just want to get off this rock as soon as possible.

As for leaders, yeah, they're all as crooked as a broken stick.
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Old 26-07-2010, 09:36 PM   #7
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False assumptions in the OP:

1) All Masons are part of an Evil Cabal (seriously, guys, masons are just members of a goofy club)

2) Anyone shaking hands with a suspicious person is automatically a suspicious person (witch burning anyone? How about some HUAC meetings? Perhaps a pogrom on Thursday, I'm sure there's someone we can scapegoat)

3) The Dalai Lama represents "Buddhism" as a whole. (Uh, no. He represents Tibetan buddhism, which combines some elements of buddhism with traditional Tibetan beliefs. Buddhism has no "agenda")

Oh, and Pirate: buddhism has as much to do with Satan as saxophone jazz has to do with auto repair.
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Old 26-07-2010, 10:02 PM   #8
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False assumptions in the OP:

1) All Masons are part of an Evil Cabal (seriously, guys, masons are just members of a goofy club)

2) Anyone shaking hands with a suspicious person is automatically a suspicious person (witch burning anyone? How about some HUAC meetings? Perhaps a pogrom on Thursday, I'm sure there's someone we can scapegoat)

3) The Dalai Lama represents "Buddhism" as a whole. (Uh, no. He represents Tibetan buddhism, which combines some elements of buddhism with traditional Tibetan beliefs. Buddhism has no "agenda")

Oh, and Pirate: buddhism has as much to do with Satan as saxophone jazz has to do with auto repair.
Most top judges , police officers , politicians , military men are Masons , that's hardly a "goofy club'" as you put it.
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Old 26-07-2010, 10:09 PM   #9
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It also flies in the face of Freemasonry. Freemasonry is a democratic organization. Its leaders are elected by majority vote of the general membership.
membership which of course is barred to women and atheists. Oh sorry women do have their own lodges.. So there, democratic AND egalitarian.

Interestingly, the Buddha's teachings have nothing to do with a supreme being.
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membership which of course is barred to women and atheists. Oh sorry women do have their own lodges.. So there, democratic AND egalitarian.

Interestingly, the Buddha's teachings have nothing to do with a supreme being.
Buddhists have gods (multiple gods) and they respect wise techers (eg: Buddha and others).

They believe in reincarnation that continues until the persons soul (for lack of a better word) finally gets 'the whole picture' and can move on to join the Buddha and gods etc in a paradise-like afterlife were everyone is equal etc.

No relation to masons/freemasons etc.

P.S: Whats the difference between Masons and Freemasons?

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Old 26-07-2010, 10:20 PM   #11
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Buddhists have gods (multiple gods)
The label 'gods' in this context is a term used to describe beings in one of the six realms of samsara (the ocean of suffering).

These gods are limited beings like us and are not 'worshipped'.

They are completely different to deities, which are considered to be manifestations of the pure enlightened energy of your own wisdom mind.

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Old 26-07-2010, 10:30 PM   #12
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Buddhists may NOT be initiated as Free Masons under the jurisdiction of The Grand Lodge of All England due to their lack of belief in God and the immortality of the soul.
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Old 27-07-2010, 02:27 PM   #13
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Women do not join fraternities, and men do not join sororities.

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Interestingly, the Buddha's teachings have nothing to do with a supreme being.
There are many different schools of thought within Buddhism concerning God.
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There are many different schools of thought within Buddhism concerning God.
NOT true. Buddhists do NOT believe in God - period.

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Buddhism is a path of practice and spiritual development leading to Insight into the true nature of life. Buddhist practices such as meditation are means of changing oneself in order to develop the qualities of awareness, kindness, and wisdom. The experience developed within the Buddhist tradition over thousands of years has created an incomparable resource for all those who wish to follow a path — a path which ultimately culminates in Enlightenment or Buddhahood.

Because Buddhism does not include the idea of worshipping a creator god, some people do not see it as a religion in the normal, Western sense. The basic tenets of Buddhist teaching are straightforward and practical: nothing is fixed or permanent; actions have consequences; change is possible. Thus Buddhism addresses itself to all people irrespective of race, nationality, or gender. It teaches practical methods (such as meditation) which enable people to realise and utilise its teachings in order to transform their experience, to be fully responsible for their lives and to develop the qualities of Wisdom and Compassion.

There are around 350 million Buddhists and a growing number of them are Westerners. They follow many different forms of Buddhism, but all traditions are characterised by non-violence, lack of dogma, tolerance of differences, and, usually, by the practice of meditation. (SOURCE: Triratna Buddhist Community)
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Buddhism is a spiritual tradition that focuses on personal spiritual development and the attainment of a deep insight into the true nature of life. Buddhism teaches that all life is interconnected, so compassion is natural and important. Buddhism is 2,500 years old. There are currently 376 million followers worldwide. There are around 151, 816 Buddhists in Britain according to the 2001 census. Buddhism arose as a result of Siddhartha Gautama's quest for Enlightenment in around the 6th Century BCE. There is no belief in a personal God. It is not centred on the relationship between humanity and God. (SOURCE: BBC Religions)
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Buddhism and Free Masonrie are incompatible.

No Sacred Oath, no Freemasonry.

Freemasonry: a brotherhood of men held together by Sacred Oath.

That is my opinion and the policy of The Grand Lodge of All England.
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Old 27-07-2010, 04:25 PM   #15
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Interestingly, the Buddha's teachings have nothing to do with a supreme being.
I would take issue with this: atheists can, and indeed should, become Freemasons as it's teachings are of equal, if not greater, value to an atheist than a theist-drone.

And Buddhism is not a million miles away from Atheistism inasmuch as it rejects the validity or usefulness of a belief in supernatural beings.

BUT this does not mean that a Buddhist counldn't, quite truthfully, state that they have a belief in a Supreme Being - there is NO requirement that one's definition of such should equate to the theists narrow interpretation that it refers to a god or gods. The concept of Supreme Being to me, as an atheist is not a million miles from the Buddhist ideal of "fully perceiving the nature of the self" as a way to enlightenment.
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Wonder why it is if a person seeks to Volunteer at Buddhist places they want your DOB & NI No-not like you are being paid a wage, or is it to be able to see whether you are wanted criminal or some other agenda. I once met a person who vanished into one of their places but the person was very secretive about the past but also seemed to be poor person so essentially trapped in their system-however i was informed that she would have been looked after by their doctor and counselled-so what she had run away from some nineteen yrs before leaves one guessing, seemed fairly happy and positive though despite looking bit hippy and well spoken but doing menial tasks like laundery. Nice people-good atmosphere. I once knew of a German business couple who turned to Buddhist practice and it helped them run a better business,very relaxing.

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I would take issue with this: atheists can, and indeed should, become Freemasons as it's teachings are of equal, if not greater, value to an atheist than a theist-drone.

And Buddhism is not a million miles away from Atheistism inasmuch as it rejects the validity or usefulness of a belief in supernatural beings.

BUT this does not mean that a Buddhist counldn't, quite truthfully, state that they have a belief in a Supreme Being - there is NO requirement that one's definition of such should equate to the theists narrow interpretation that it refers to a god or gods. The concept of Supreme Being to me, as an atheist is not a million miles from the Buddhist ideal of "fully perceiving the nature of the self" as a way to enlightenment.
Well agneau, two things, and I hope that kadosh replies to you as well.

Firstly, it depends on what you regard as being Freemasonry.

Secondly, my opinion is that what you believe in is even incompatible with the type of Freemasonry that is "recognised" by the United Grand Lodge of England.

God is not "nature". "Nature" is not "a supreme being" by any stretch of the imagination.

Your definition of "Freemasonry" is best served in the Grand Orient of France which is officially represented in the United States of America by the Grand Orient of the United States of America: http://gomasons.org/

Stating something that you do not believe in is a lie, plain and simple. "Without evasion, equivocation, or mental reservation OF ANY KIND". Sound familiar to you?
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Wonder why it is if a person seeks to Volunteer at Buddhist places they want your DOB & NI No-not like you are being paid a wage, or is it to be able to see whether you are wanted criminal or some other agenda. I once met a person who vanished into one of their places but the person was very secretive about the past but also seemed to be poor person so essentially trapped in their system-however i was informed that she would have been looked after by their doctor and counselled-so what she had run away from some nineteen yrs before leaves one guessing, seemed fairly happy and positive though despite looking bit hippy and well spoken but doing menial tasks like laundery. Nice people-good atmosphere. I once knew of a German business couple who turned to Buddhist practice and it helped them run a better business,very relaxing.
Please don't get me wrong, the Buddhists that I have met seem to be very nice people.
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That may be true of the lodge you are affiliated with. Explain Shamballa Masonry please.

http://shamballa.isuisse.com/franc/freemasonry.html
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That may be true of the lodge you are affiliated with. Explain Shamballa Masonry please.

http://shamballa.isuisse.com/franc/freemasonry.html
This is a type of so-called esoteric freemasonry. Alice Bailey, with her Demon Master -- Master D.K. -- writing through her, stated that "Shamballa is the mythological place where the 'Lord of the World', Sanat Kumara, or Shiva , is supposed to live." [Discipleship in the New Age Lucis/Lucifer Publishing, 1955, 135-36].
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