The Sabbath

[throwback]

Let's see if we can shed some light on this Sabbath debate, shall we? Why not start from the beginning.

Genesis
31 Then God viewed everything He made, and {Look!} it was very good. So came the evening and morning of day six.
Chapter 2
1 So God finished heaven and earth, and all the arranging of them. 2 God completed his work of making these things on the sixth day. And on the seventh day, He stopped making them. 3 Then God blest the seventh day and made it holy, because He had finished all the work that He started out to do.

From Genesis and the above text, we can make some observations.
1. a day was from evening to evening, rather than morning to morning
2. God blessed and make the 7th day holy in the beginning
3. no one was told to keep the sabbath day holy


No, let's go to the book of the Exodus.
Chapter 20
8 ‘Keep the Sabbath day and make it holy. 9 You may work and get everything done in six days, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of your God Jehovah, and you must do no work… not you, your son, your daughter, your male servant, your female servant, your ox, your burro, any of your cattle, or any strangers that are visiting among you. 11 Because, Jehovah made the sky, the ground, the seas and everything in them, then He rested on the seventh day. So Jehovah blest the seventh day and made it holy.

Exodus 23:22 God says ti Israel: ‘If you listen to what I tell you, do everything that I tell you to do, and keep My Sacred Agreement, you will be a special people to Me above all other nations; for the whole earth is Mine. Then you will become a holy nation of Royal Priests.

Exodus 24:4 Then Moses [sat down] and wrote everything that Jehovah said. And early the next morning, he built an Altar at the base of the mountain using twelve stones [to represent] the twelve tribes of Israel. 5 And he sent young men from the children of Israel to offer up whole burnt offerings and to sacrifice young calves as a peace offering to God. 6 Then Moses took half of the blood and poured it into bowls, and he poured the other half on the Altar.7 Thereafter, [Moses] took the scroll of the Sacred Agreement [that he wrote] and read it to the people. And they [again] said, ‘We will do and pay attention to everything that Jehovah has said.’ 8 Then Moses took the blood [from the bowls] and sprinkled it on the people, and he said: ‘{Look!} This is the blood of the Sacred Agreement that Jehovah has made with you over the things that you’ve [agreed to].’

The above texts illustrate how Israel and God made a covenant (sacred agreement) with one another. Observance of the Sabbath was part of that agreement.


New Testament Sabbath keeping instruction

Hebrews:
Chapter 3
1 Therefore, holy brothers among the calling of heavenly partakers; Let’s consider this Apostle and High Priest whom we confess, Jesus. 2 He was faithful to the One who made him, just as Moses was within His whole House. 3 However, [Jesus] was considered to be worthy of greater glory than Moses, because he who builds the house receives more honor there. 4 Of course, every house is built by someone, but He who builds all things is God.
5 Now, Moses was truly a faithful subordinate within His whole House, [for he served] as a witness to things that hadn’t been explained. 6 But the Anointed One is a Son [that is] over His House, and we are that House… as long as we continue in our [work of] speaking openly and boasting about our hope to the end. 7 It’s because of this, that [God’s] Holy Breath says, ‘If you should hear His voice today, 8 don’t harden your hearts as happened in the bitter day of testing in the desert. 9 For, that’s when your fathers tested Me to prove [My power]… yet they’d been watching what I was doing for forty years! 10 This is the reason why I became so disgusted with that generation and said, Their hearts are always wandering, and they’ve never understood My ways. 11 So, in My anger I swore, They will never enter My rest.’ 12 Therefore, watch out brothers, that none of your hearts ever become wicked and unbelieving, and then cause you to pull away from the Living God! 13 Encourage each other every day – including today – so that none of you will become hardened and be tempted to sin. 14 For, we are sharers in the Anointed One as long as we hang onto this position that we’ve started with until the end. 15 That’s why it was said, ‘If you should hear His Voice today, 8 don’t harden your hearts as happened in the bitter day of testing in the desert.’ 16 Now, just who was it that heard and caused this bitterness? Wasn’t it all those who left Egypt under Moses? 17 And just who was it that He became disgusted with for forty years? Wasn’t it those who had sinned and whose carcasses fell in the desert? 18 And who was it that He said wouldn’t enter His Rest… if not those who disobeyed? 19 So, we can see that they couldn’t enter [His Rest] due to their lack of faith!
Chapter 4
1 Therefore, we should [all] fear that some of us might be left behind when it comes to the promise of entering His rest, 2 because we’ve had the good news preached to us, just as they did. Yet, they failed to benefit from hearing those words, because the faith of those who heard and believed didn’t rub off on them! 3 However, those of us who have believed will enter His Rest. And although He said, ‘So, in my anger I swore that they’ll never enter My Rest,’ His work [has actually been finished] since the founding of the world! 4 Why, in one place He said this about the seventh day: ‘God rested from all His works on the seventh day.’ 5 And here [He said], ‘They will never enter My rest.’ 6 So, we must conclude that some will enter it! However, those to whom this good news was first given didn’t enter it because of their disobedience. 7 Then He mentioned a particular day, ‘today,’ in David’s [psalm]. And later on, He said (as I mentioned before), ‘If you should hear His voice today, 8 don’t harden your hearts.’ 8 Now, if Joshua had already led them to this place of rest, [God] wouldn’t have spoken of another day later on. 9 So, there’s still a Sabbath for the people of God to observe. 10 And those who enter His rest must also rest from the things they’re doing, just as God rested from [the things] He [was doing]. 11 Therefore, let’s do everything that we can to enter that rest, so no one will fail because of disobedience.

The above is a loaded text which is tiugh to understand without being familiar with the exodus and travels of Israel from Eygpt to the land of promise. It seems the Hebrew writer in not using the sabbath to describe the 7th day, but rather the inheritance/promise that God made to those who kept His ways (abide by the covenant/sacred agreement) in ancient Israel with the followers of Jesus who were being encouraged to keep the faith. The Sabbath in this text seems to represent the reward of the faithful rather than a day of the week.


please note:
In the Old Testament there were special high sabbaths in addition to the weekly 7th day sabbath. When you see the word sabbath, think rest rather than a day of ritualistic (which are often pagan) worship service practices.

[timehasanend]

and your point is.............

[krakhead]

[loveisthelaw]

What about the other creation stories, such as the Epic of creation and the 7 tablets, the last of the 7 being the proverbial tablet of "rest" - which existed 1000's of years prior to the Genes of Isis?

[tannah]

And who really cares about a physical sabbath? That's just rotations of the earth and cycles around a sun. As if God really did do it all in six literal days, geez.

Rest is the place to Be. It's created for man.

[throwback]

Originally Posted by loveisthelaw

What about the other creation stories, such as the Epic of creation and the 7 tablets, the last of the 7 being the proverbial tablet of "rest" - which existed 1000's of years prior to the Genes of Isis?

Did you study from the Michael Tsarian school of history? LOL!

The truth of the matter when it comes to ancient religious texts is that the Bible stands tallest when analyzed with history, science, prophecy, and internal harmony.
The book of Daniel was most likely written around 900bc. It contains prophecies that were fulfilled 100s of years later. Isaiah is simular when it comes to accurate prophecy. It even names a world leader decades before his kingdom came to power and before he was even born. The Bible prophecied about what he would do, and he did exactly what it said he would. Look up Cyrus yourself to see it.

[throwback]

When scientists don't agree with science, scientists often create a religion of sorts and try to fits bits and pieces of science together to support the theory they "worship." The THEORY OF EVOLUTION is a perfect example. Letting scientist push their agenda and having our educational institutions teach the THEORY of evolution as if it were factual is akin to theft. It's like letting the losers of a war write the history of it. Expect to read some lies.

ps. The creation week was 6 literal days according to the biblical record.

[orlibonurb]

Yep, the religion of evolution (which was, is and will always be a THEORY - and a really bad one for that matter, it just shows the wicked & depraved heart of man), pushed down our throats. Yet, Christians are accused of shoving the gospel down people's throats, but those same people will have no problem sending they lovely children to the public school (read: a prison for the minds of all kids) system of social engineering, to eat that garbage called "science" for years and years in a row.

Then we have this society behaving like animals.

There is no God right ...................... specially not one to whom people will give an account for what they did.

Hebrews {9:27} And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: {9:28} So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Two judgments, one for the saved (Bema Seat judgment, which is a matter of giving rewards / crowns - there are 5) and one for the unsaved (White Throne judgment, don't think I need to say what this one is about, pretty sure everyone knows).


Anyways, I'm curious as to what the point was with your original post too.

[throwback]

Originally Posted by orlibonurb

Anyways, I'm curious as to what the point was with your original post too.

I wrote the original post in response to my thread, OPEN QUESTION where the sabbath topic kinda took over. This thread is intended to answer questions such as:
- what day is the Sabbath Day?
- Are we commanded to keep the sabbath day today
- Is the sabbath a day of worship or of rest?

[orlibonurb]

Ah, alright - thanks.

1. Saturday

2. No (Colossians 2:16), it was a sign given to Jews, not Christians.

3. Rest (Hebrews chapter 4, rest from works), everyday is day of worship.


Only cults bring the Sabbath madness, like the 7th day adventist cult.

For you ladies & gents who are quite aware of occult symbolism, note the blatant masonic pyramid / all seeing eye.



Seventh day adventists go as far as claiming the Sabbath / Sunday issue will be the mark of the beast. How could that ever be possible, having in count that "no man might buy or sell" ?! Cults ............

Revelation {13:16} And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: {13:17} And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

[armoured_amazon]

Originally Posted by orlibonurb

Yep, the religion of evolution (which was, is and will always be a THEORY - and a really bad one for that matter, it just shows the wicked & depraved heart of man), pushed down our throats. Yet, Christians are accused of shoving the gospel down people's throats, but those same people will have no problem sending they lovely children to the public school (read: a prison for the minds of all kids) system of social engineering, to eat that garbage called "science" for years and years in a row.

Then we have this society behaving like animals.

Word up!

[loveisthelaw]

Originally Posted by throwback

Did you study from the Michael Tsarian school of history? LOL!

The truth of the matter when it comes to ancient religious texts is that the Bible stands tallest when analyzed with history, science, prophecy, and internal harmony.

I have studied a lot of things.

Truth and faith do not always go together my dear.

Stands tallest.... but you will tell me Jesus came to preach love, yet he says himself that he came not to change the law but to fulfill it. He also stated that not even a jod, the smallest letter in the Hebrew alphabet would pass before every law was fulfilled.

That means an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth stands.

[orlibonurb]

Originally Posted by loveisthelaw

I have studied a lot of things.

Truth and faith do not always go together my dear.

Stands tallest.... but you will tell me Jesus came to preach love, yet he says himself that he came not to change the law but to fulfill it, which means an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth stands.

He also stated that not even a jod, the smallest letter in the Hebrew alphabet would pass before every law was fulfilled.

No, it simply (Biblically) means the Age of Law ended and the Age of Grace started with Jesus' death & resurrection - a new Dispensation. God started dealing with salvation in a different way.

What happened on the cross was a magnificent spiritual event of truly epic proportions.

[armoured_amazon]

Originally Posted by loveisthelaw

he says himself that he came not to change the law but to fulfill it.

And he did fulfil it. Yeshua Ha Mashiach!

[loveisthelaw]

Originally Posted by orlibonurb

No, it simply (Biblically) means the Age of Law ended and the Age of Grace started with Jesus' death & resurrection - a new Dispensation. God started dealing with salvation in a different way.

That is what you read in to it, The bible does not say that.

if what you say be true it would
a) be in the Bible and old testament too and

b) would mean that God changed, but God is unable to change because he is perfect and above change. Change effects only the material and God being outside creation can not change.

[armoured_amazon]

Originally Posted by loveisthelaw

That is what you read in to it, The bible does not say that.

Then God changed, but God is unable to change because he is perfect and above change. Change effects only the material and God being outside creation can not change.

God is 'unable'? LOL

[loveisthelaw]

Originally Posted by armoured_amazon

God is 'unable'? LOL

Yes, God can not do anything that prevents him from being God.

Like being a human, making a stone so large that he can not move it, crying and eating, or even, as our OP stated "resting" hehe

These are human things, not God things but man is incapable of understanding God so tries to turn him in to something like a human - who tires, gets sad, gets angry, etc.

God is beyond such things.

[kbeet]

Originally Posted by loveisthelaw

I have studied a lot of things.

Truth and faith do not always go together my dear.

Stands tallest.... but you will tell me Jesus came to preach love, yet he says himself that he came not to change the law but to fulfill it. He also stated that not even a jod, the smallest letter in the Hebrew alphabet would pass before every law was fulfilled.

That means an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth stands.

oh yes they do

[armoured_amazon]

Originally Posted by loveisthelaw

Yes, God can not do anything that prevents him from being God.

Like being a human, making a stone so large that he can not move it, crying and eating, or even, as our OP stated "resting" hehe

These are human things, not God things but man is incapable of understanding God so tries to turn him in to something like a human - who tires, gets sad, gets angry, etc.

God is beyond such things.

LOL. You don't understand God at all. If you had God in you, you would see the world through God's eyes and have the answers to the questions you pose. You are not on the level of the Creator; none of us are. Those of us who are monkeys trying to be king will always be disappointed.

[loveisthelaw]

They do - so ask the numerous people who had faith their loved one would not fornicate or commit adultery. They had faith in their partner. Yet it happens every day that the truth is rent asunder and the faith is destroyed and truth is turned to falsehood.