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Old 20-06-2010, 04:59 AM   #1
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Default Plasterite, the other Orgonite

Hello brave and adventurous experimenters.
This thread is dedicated to experimenting, fabricating and using a high energy kind of Orgonite call Plasterite.
We must first give credit to the German gentleman who came up with it and perfected the mixture of plaster and crystals
http://www.energiekegel.de/

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I have been making this Plasterite for a few month now, with very positive responses from people able to feel this higher frequency .
It is so easy to make, no smell, no sticky, no gooey, messy sometime but nothing that cannot be handle
Give it a try
Soon the folks who have experimented with it will be telling us more about how it feel
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Old 20-06-2010, 05:32 AM   #2
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Plaster is inorganic so a plasterite mix of plaster, metal, and crystals, will not accumulate orgone and transform DOR into POR.

It is inferior to Orgonite, and while it may have shamanic properties, will not create positive orgone in the same measurable qualities as when you use organic polyester resin.
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Old 20-06-2010, 05:47 AM   #3
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Dear lordzoma,

And what say you to the energy sensitive individuals who have tested plasterite and can feel the energy strongly?

Have you yourself tried it/tested it/made it?

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Old 20-06-2010, 06:26 AM   #4
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I would say they're feeling a mixture of the crystals, and not an orgone accumulation effect.

It ignores the principles of Reich's technology by ignoring the organic component, and it also ignores the necessary pressure on the quartz crystal.

You can feel the energy from putting metal and crystal in jars of water, but it's not going to produce POR like orgonite.

I'd agree with sensei, in that its delusion at best, and disinformation at worst.
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Old 20-06-2010, 06:30 AM   #5
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Perhaps what these experimentors are sensing is just a higher vibratory rate of the crystals under pressure within the dry plaster. But as Lordzoma said, because of the lack of organic material its not going to collect Orgone radiation of any type.

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In the 1930's and 1940's, Dr. Wilhelm Reich was able to detect and measure the existence of etheric energy (life energy, chi, etc.), which he called orgone, using a modified geiger counter.

Dr. Reich determined that stacking alternating layers of fiberglass (an organic substance) and steel wool (an inorganic substance) would actually attract and collect orgone/etheric energy of both the life-beneficial positive form (which Reich called "OR" or "POR") and harmful negative etheric energy ("deadly orgone" or "DOR").
So from this quote you can read between the lines and summize that Dr. Reich had already experimented with inorganic materials and organic materials seperately, but got no results till a layering of both was used.
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Old 20-06-2010, 03:14 PM   #6
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Plaster is inorganic so a plasterite mix of plaster, metal, and crystals, will not accumulate orgone and transform DOR into POR.

It is inferior to Orgonite, and while it may have shamanic properties, will not create positive orgone in the same measurable qualities as when you use organic polyester resin.
How do you measure Orgone energy?
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Old 20-06-2010, 06:32 PM   #7
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Lord Zoma, I am certain you have your orders from a vendor who is fearful of any competition, but following me on this particular new thread just to criticize without knowing, surely never had your hands touching this material that is plaster and therefore Plasterite, is showing a prejudiced, biased and narrow mind , not mentioning lack of humility since Orgon energy is certainly NOT encased in a lump of resin but probably everywhere it choses to be.......


A MIND IS LIKE AN UMBRELLA, IT WORKS ONlY WHEN OPENED....

Have a good day....

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Old 20-06-2010, 06:50 PM   #8
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Gypsum is an organic crystal, so, in effect would follow exactly the principals of organite.

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Old 20-06-2010, 07:18 PM   #9
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For those ( who might have tried already to make Plasterite and those who wish to try) and who prefer not to be harassed or ridiculed, please join us on

www.OrgonitePlus.net

forum where you will be able to express your experiences, tell us what you have added to the Plasterite (smells, herbs, chocolate , whatever....) and do not forget to check the German Gentleman website:

http://www.energiekegel.de/


and the English translation:

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See you there !!!!
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Old 20-06-2010, 09:00 PM   #10
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This is for lostc

I went on the link to that german site you recommended and was not able to find much information and saw he is selling his product without explaining the thinking behind it

This was the only explanation in the translation i could find:

The effectiveness of the orgone matrix is essentially
on the crystal structure from.


When first hearing of orgonite it sound too good to be true and i was first skeptical when reading about it but was sent a piece by someone so i could see for myself. It did feel like it did something and i saw many fotos of plant growth and ice test and aura fotos which convinced me it actually doing something but could still not understand how it works. i later read some of wilhelm reich book which made it clear how he explains about layering the organic and inorganic material and i know it has been used for healing too. i have just read that gypsum is not an organic (carbon based) material, but a kind of rock, so it just doesnt make sense

Must say that i was disappointed of the german site since he does nothing to explain the principle behind it so now im asking you lostc to explain the principle behind how it works since i just dont understand.

What proof do you have? i have seen many different aura fotos that show how orgonite influence the aura but cant believe that plaster would do the same thing. if that was true most houses made with plaster would just be radiating good energy, right?

Do you have fotos of aura or plants to show me?

Unless you can explain the principle to me of why it would work i will have to assume that this is disinformation to take attention away from something that actually does work because you have not given any proof other than your opinon and that is not enough to convince me now

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Old 20-06-2010, 10:40 PM   #11
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Lord Zoma, I am certain you have your orders from a vendor who is fearful of any competition, but following me on this particular new thread just to criticize without knowing, surely never had your hands touching this material that is plaster and therefore Plasterite, is showing a prejudiced, biased and narrow mind , not mentioning lack of humility since Orgon energy is certainly NOT encased in a lump of resin but probably everywhere it choses to be.......


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Fearful of competition? Criticize without knowing?

Plasterite is bullshit, and you have a blatant agenda. I'm just calling it like I see it. Why don't you try taking some playdough and tossing some metal and crystals and any other shit you find in the yard in there. That'll really generate some energy right!

Seems like a bunch of people got together and decided that they should do something different, anything, just as long as it could feed off of the orgonite movement.

Guess what - Plasterite doesn't work. Stop deluding yourself.
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Old 20-06-2010, 11:19 PM   #12
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I apologize for disturbing your comfort zone, and I thank you for sharing your feelings.
Now go back to sleep
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Old 20-06-2010, 11:44 PM   #13
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Yeah you disturbed my 'comfort zone' by touting a 'brand new more powerful higher frequency orgonite' that completely ignores the scientific basis of what orgonite is.

ALL plasterite is doing is sticking a bunch of metal pieces and crystals into a hardened surface. It is NOT creating POR.

If you want to show that plasterite actually does anything, why don't you do a grow test or an ice test. Chances are they won't work, considering I'm not dowsing any energy from any of the plasterite pieces that I've seen.

Your excuse is - oh well you haven't made any or been around any so you can't feel it, right?

I can feel the energy off pieces of orgonite just by looking at their picture. But let's see, I can't sense the energy off of any pieces of plasterite. HMMMM I wonder why?

The ONLY reason you're going to be feeling any energy from plasterite at all, is because it has a small amount of shrinkage (although the pressure isn't that much) and putting crystals under pressure will create a charge.

Grab yourself an electrical meter and hold it up to a piece of orgonite. See the electromagnetic field? Hold an electrical meter up to a piece of plasterite. What do you see? Let me guess - is it nothing?

Of course 2 people pop up on the forums, and 20 posts later every single post talks about plasterite and how wonderful it is, using the discussion on broadcasting energy into the grid using orgonite as a starting point.

Now when I point out that plasterite is NOT orgonite, does NOT produce POR, and does NOT follow the principles of Reich's work, you directly insult me personally by saying you've violtaed my comfort zone, and directly implied that I have some sort of agenda by dissuading competition from legitimate orgonite dealers.

YES, I do want to dissuage people from spending time making a worthless substance when they could be making orgonite. Plasterite is bullshit, and until you actually provide any amount of measurable evidence that plasterite creates an electromagnetic field, alters the human aura, or affects the orgone accumulation in water by demonstrating ice crystal growth, or doing a plant growth test, you will not be able to convince me otherwise. Using the argument that I haven't made any plasterite is a very lame argument.

Maybe you might be able to convince a few random people that plasterite is better just by having them 'take your word for it' that the energy is a 'higher freuqency energy that touches the higher chakras' but in case you haven't noticed, not everyone is going to believe the drivel that spouts out of someone's mouth just because they are convinced enough in their own delusions to be able to make themselves seem trustworthy, noteworthy, or even just come off like they know what they're talking about.

Give me some evidence. PROVE me wrong. Something tells me that no matter how long you spend trying to do that, you WILL NOT, because plasterite doesn't convert DOR into POR. SHOW ME SOMETHING other than clouds in the sky.

Your essential argument is that by using a NON organic matrix you are creating higher frequency energies than orgonite? Something tells me you're trying to be self important. Just because you try something new doesn't mean that it's better than everything else, or that it even works in the first place.
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Old 21-06-2010, 12:07 AM   #14
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As noone was willing/able to answer my question I used the power of my mind (searched Youtube) and came up with this Organite test using a pendulum


Can someone do a similer test with Plasterite and prove or disprove its actual effects once and for all.

To add if anyone does know other ways to test then please add that info here.

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Old 21-06-2010, 03:08 AM   #15
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Lordy Lord, I am certain the "opposition" are enjoying this exchange.
OK Lord why dont you go to the German Gent website, he is the creator of this as for me I am most please at what the Plasterite does, and so are other folks, I am please with your concerns for our well being, I appreciate that, however you must let us walk our road.
As for Orgonite, you will be most please to hear that I have made and making some of the larger devices, as noted by Don Croft and Sensei as well, I know Orgonite I have done it since 2001, I have gifted very large territories (including the Himalaya), DC,MD,VA,NC,SC,TN,GO, large bodies of water and oceans, I am still at it. Now I wanna play with Plaster, so leave me alone, even if you think it wont work: I still wanna play with the thing
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Old 21-06-2010, 04:24 AM   #16
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Don't get me wrong. I'm not discouraging the advancement of the science through experimentation, but there is a difference between discussing about new types of orgonite and heralding something that disregards the science of orgonite as the best thing since sliced bread. The biggest thing that turned me off about discussions of plasterite is that most of the posts talk about how the energy is higher frequecy and better than orgonite, that it's so powerful and is described as orgonite-plus. It seems like it's a bunch of rampant ego feeding off of something which I personally feel is a big step in the wrong direction. The intuition of a few random people that have held plasterite is not something to base wild claims off of. If anyone believes that plasterite is producing orgone energy, then I am sure it will be fairly easy for you to do side by side comparisons of orgonite and plasterite's effect on plants, on the aura present in a kirlian photograph, and on ice crystal freeze tests. I believe you will be unpleasantly disappointed.
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Old 21-06-2010, 04:45 AM   #17
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Yes, an ice test only takes a few hours anyways.
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Yes, an ice test only takes a few hours anyways.
I knew I was forgetting something, cheers.

Ok so does anyone from the Plasterite camp fancy giving this a go.
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Keep in mind that for a pure test the freezer need never have had orgonite in it before.

If there's any orgonite near the freezer it should be taken away.
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Old 21-06-2010, 08:30 AM   #20
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Default G'day gifters...greetings from Australia

Yo...I have made over 3000 orgonite devices ... personal pieces, Tb's Hhg's,
CB's...both standard Croft style and induction...108 and 114, Peacemakers and UCB.s and several Broadcasters for orgonising the power grid.
I love researching and trialing new techniques. As you can imagine...the
Top End of Australia is very well gifted.......great place for a holiday !
As a result I have become very sensitive to orgone energy.....yes , I can pick up energy from photos of orgonite and can see the dark DOR line running
parallel to gifted cellphone towers and others.

So when plaster orgonite appeared on several forums, I was VERY SCEPTICAL like you Lordzoma and even posted so,,,,,but unlike you, I was
happy to give it a trial...I.m glad I did ! ! !

I made 3 Hhg size plaster orgonites, each with a small handful of crystals and minerals as stated in the German gentleman's site , along with the standard quartz point in the middle......WOW... I picked up on the strong orgone energy
straight away...in fact it took a couple of days to get used to......This has been a regular event for me every time I make a new large orgone device....The 114
took several days to "acclimatise to " and brought first helicopter !

So today a hooked up my first plaster Broadcaster and going through that acclimatising factor again......getting used to that strong orgone field again !
It's quite a rush ! ha ha

But the best, most exciting thing to come of this new technique is that I can make it at school with primary aged students... and have done so several times. This is a long story . You can see it on OrgonizeAustralia.webs.com
or Orgonite Plus.net .....to cut a long story short, the students loved making it and most picked up on the energy factor straight away........but best of all, many families gifted , just in time for the mid-year break !

So to those of you calling ..bullshit... ha, you'll never , never know if you don,t
have a go.... a new and exciting technique that everyone can try....cheaply.

As an aside......just got my new tetrahedron moulds today and am excited...will be making resin orgonite tomorrow.

concerning ice experiments, my freezers are full of orgonite so will have to find
friend whom I haven't gifted to try that one...ha , there's not many of them.!

Regards to everyone....keep gifting and Researching !
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