BEWARE Rooibos Tea Contains Fluoride !

[dalem]

While researching another Fluoride problem I came upon this: Fluoride in Rooibos Tea.

Rooibos contains the minerals, copper, iron and potassium, calcium, fluoride, zinc, manganese, alpha- hydroxy ( for healthy skin ) and magnesium ( for the nervous system ) are also components of this tea.


Rooibos tea contains the following

Nutrients : Per 200ml

Iron 0.07mg.

Potassium 7.12mg

Calcium 1.09mg

Zinc 0.07mg

Magnesium 0.04

Fluoride 1.57mg

Manganese 0.04mg

Sodium 6.16mg

Other teas also contain Fluoride shown in the table below.

180.16mg/kg Coarse Tea
72.62-89.02mg/kg Green Tea
71.11mg/kg Refined Green Tea
30-340 mg/kg Black Tea(16 samples)
4.57mg/l Tea
1.01-5.20mg/l De-caffeinated Teas
2.58-3.69mg/l Milk Tea(fr.Brick Tea)
77mg/kg Pu'er Brick Tea
441mg/kg Bianxiao Brick Tea
6.0-6.9mg/kg Herbal Teas
7.8mg per cup 1 Cup Black Tea
15.6mg/L “Wisdom of the Ancients” Instant Green Tea
2.95mg/L Dr. Oetker Black Tea
3.99mg/L Apicha Black Tea

[the ultimate truth]

That's the organic plant fluoride, not the inorganic toxic one, loads of plants have fluoride in them. It's actually seen just as nutritionally beneficial for heath as all the other plant based minerals and trace minerals.

[weeme]

Interesting reports on fluoride in the food chain.

This is where the importance of iodine in the diet comes in. There is no getting away from fluoride as everything is contaminated.

If you are interested in your health please read the article posted in the link.

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/fluoride.htm

[the ultimate truth]

Originally Posted by weeme

Interesting reports on fluoride in the food chain.

This is where the importance of iodine in the diet comes in. There is no getting away from fluoride as everything is contaminated.

If you are interested in your health please read the article posted in the link.

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/fluoride.htm

Contaminated ? It's a naturaly occuring organic mineral found around on the planet like every other.

[dalem]

Originally Posted by the ultimate truth

Contaminated ? It's a naturaly occuring organic mineral found around on the planet like every other.

So lets all eat your "organic Fluoride" and everything will be alright.

Fluoride Whether it's your organic or inorganic is the same chemical, a highly toxic substance. Ever thought how it gets in the food chain to start with ? Soil absorbtion is one way. Crop spraying another. Volcanoes are a major source of Hydrogen Fluoride, just look towards Iceland for your Organic Fluoride.

California grape growers use cryolite to control two insects that can devastate vineyards. Researchers from California State University in Fresno conducted a 5 year study (1990-1994) on vineyards throughout the San Joaquin Valley. They found that "[m]ultiple applications of Cryolite during the growing season significantly increase fluoride in wines.

Whatever way you look at it Fluoride is Fluoride.

Fluorine is one of 92 naturally occurring elements. It is a member of the halogen family, which includes chlorine, bromine and iodine. It is a pale yellow gas which is extremely reactive. As a result it is never found free in nature but only combined with other elements. These compounds are called fluorides. Fluorine readily forms compounds with all elements except two: helium and neon. Despite being the thirteenth most abundant element in the earth's crust, it is not an essential nutrient for any living thing.

[dalem]

Originally Posted by the ultimate truth

Thats the organic plant fruiride, not the inorganic toxic one, loads of plants have flouride in them. It's actually seen just as nutricionaly beneficial for heath as all the other plant based minerals and trace minerals.

NOT TRUE.

Despite being the thirteenth most abundant element in the earth's crust, it is not an essential nutrient for any living thing.

3.2 All foodstuffs contain at least small amounts of fluoride, but in some the concentrations can be higher. Fluoride concentration in food can be increased by the presence of fluoride in water used for its preparation.

3.4 The consumption of foodstuffs and drinking water is the principal route of exposure to fluoride for adults'

3.5 What happens to fluorides absorbed by the body?

When fluorides are ingested by humans or laboratory animals, they are absorbed in the stomach and/or the intestine. Fluoride from soluble fluorides is almost completely absorbed (either as HF or F-, depending on stomach acidity). However, when fluoride is bound to aluminium, calcium etc., its release and subsequent absorption may be reduced because this combination is less soluble. When fluorides in gaseous or particulate form are breathed in, the respiratory tract, they are partially or completely absorbed depending on how soluble they are or on how big the fluoride-containing particles are.

Fluoride is then rapidly distributed in tissues. In humans and laboratory animals, fluorides mostly build up in bones and teeth, which retain about 99% of the total fluoride body burden.

Fluoride is eliminated from the body primarily through the urine. Infants retain 80 to 90% of fluoride ingested, while adults retain approximately 60%.

Source: Environmental Health Criteria

Please do your homework BEFORE commenting on peoples threads.

[weeme]

Please do your homework BEFORE commenting on peoples threads.

Thanks Dalem. I've been wanting to say that for a while now.

Do people think we just suck these things out of our thumbs, I don't think they realise how many hours you and other have researched and read up on these subjects, mainly because we are concerned for our own and our loved ones health.

We share what we know.

Keep up the good work.

[dalem]

Originally Posted by weeme

Please do your homework BEFORE commenting on peoples threads.

Thanks Dalem. I've been wanting to say that for a while now.

Do people think we just suck these things out of our thumbs, I don't think they realise how many hours you and other have researched and read up on these subjects, mainly because we are concerned for our own and our loved ones health.

We share what we know.

Keep up the good work.

Thanks weeme, i do a lot of reaserching about health and always before posting.

Best Regards.

[indigowarrior]

Ultimate truth is correct.
Below info from fluoride action network;

http://www.fannz.org.nz/faq.php

""QUESTION:

Is there a difference between "natural" fluoride and "artificial" fluoride?

This is a complex question which proponents answer in a naively simplistic way: that all fluoride ions are the same no matter where they come from. In fact this involves four separate questions:

1. Do all fluoridation substances dissociate to form fluoride ions?
2. If so, do the ions behave the same way when in solution with different cations?
3. If so, do they stay the same way once they have entered the body’s digestive system?
4. If not, do the different forms behave the same way once it enters the body’s digestive system?

1. "Natural" fluoride is calcium fluoride which, at 1ppm, dissociates to form free calcium and fluoride ions. The same is true of sodium fluoride, on which all research was done. The substances used to today are silicofluorides. The only scientific reference the Ministry of health cites, claiming silicofluorides dissociate completely by a 2-stage process to form free fluoride ions, in fact says they do not. One of the two methods of analysis showed only an 87% dissociation.
2. It is well established that the presence of calcium or magnesium "buffers" the effect of fluoride, safeguarding the human body to some extent. In fact calcium is given as an antidote to acute fluoride poisoning. Waters with "natural" fluoride levels usually have high calcium and or magnesium levels also, whereas artificially fluoridated water generally does not. Consequently this natural protection is unavailable in artificially fluoridated water.
3. We are aware of no studies to show directly whether the dissociation equilibrium of silicofluorides changes in the acidic stomach conditions, or the enzymatic conditions in the intestines. There is evidence that any fluoride ion will form both hydrofluoric acid (HF) and the equally toxic HF2- in acid solutions such as the stomach. This would be expected to cause stomach ulcers, as evidenced in some early research.
4. The US EPA acknowledges that no human safety testing has been done on silicofluorides. However Masters and Coplan demonstrated in 1999 that silicofluorides cause a higher uptake of dietary lead than sodium fluoride, proving that there is a different effect between different forms of fluoride, contrary to proponents’ claims.

Hence although all fluoride ions are chemically the same, that is essentially irrelevant to the issue.

It is also worth noting that early fluoride toothpastes used stannous fluoride, but this was stopped as it caused brown staining of the teeth. Toothpaste manufacturers changed to, primarily, sodium monofluorophosphate which did not cause such staining. If all fluoride is the same, why did one fluoride compound cause staining and not the other? This simple fact proves the lie promulgated by proponents."""


The Fluoride added to water is completeley different from naturally occuring Fuoride found naturally, in addition your example of rooibos tea is an example of how the natural fluoride can combine with the natural calcium in the tea and render it a different element.

Natural fuorine is found everywhere, sodium fluoride is a toxin.

[dalem]

A national panel of scientists reported Wednesday that high levels of naturally occurring fluoride in drinking water are leaving children in some communities at risk of tooth enamel damage and adults prone to weakened bones that could lead to fractures.
The scientists unanimously recommended that the federal limit on fluoride in drinking water be lowered to protect people in communities where high levels leach into the water from natural sources, such as rocks or soil.

Source: U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.

Fluoride is a health risk regardless of source. Plants absorb nutrients and toxins from the soil they are grown in. Where in my post does it say Rooibos contains natural Fluoride?

If all fluoride is the same, why did one fluoride compound cause staining and not the other? This simple fact proves the lie promulgated by proponents

Does it really ?
Fluoride in various forms are the most popular active ingredient in toothpaste.
Sodium fluoride (NaF) is the most common form found in toothpaste. Some brands use sodium monofluorophosphate (Na2PO3F)
As you can clearly see they are different chemical compounds. But nonetheless have Fluoride as their base.
And according to your theory if something occurs naturally it is safe to ingest:

[indigowarrior]

Can you explain to where you think the fluoride in the tea comes from then?
if it is from the watering of the plants then everything that grows has fluoride in it.

[indigowarrior]

ok, just read somewhere that it comes from pesticides and tea soaks it up efficiently.

This subject seems very difficult to look up due to the disinfo from many sources and conflicting evidence. I dont doubt anything you are saying but I think this definitely needs looking into a bit more.

I would think that the calcium in the tea would alter the chemical structure of the fluoride thus rendering relatively harmless to the body, whilst I know fluoride is harmful in any chemical combination, we must realise that as light beings we can overcome this with the power of intent, this goes back to my post on animal byproducts being used to grow organic vegetables, as a vegan what can I do ? where do we draw the line, almost everything seems contaminated in some way, even the air we breathe.

Maybe your post should focus on the pesticides that contain the Fluoride?

So if I drink organic tea that should have no fluoride?

some sources state that tea contains natural calcium fluoride which is harmless as when it binds with calcium it is a different chemical structure .

all we can do is see how we feel after eating/drinking something as to weather it feels right for us.
we have to activate our own intuition.

I cannot drink green tea it makes me feel very nauseous, for example

Im tired so sorry if I am rambling on a bit.

[indigowarrior]

found this on good ole wikepedia;

"Fluorides are toxic to humans, however CaF2- calcium fluoride, is considered relatively harmless due to its extreme insolubility. The situation is analogous to BaSO4, where the toxicity normally associated with Ba2+ is offset by the very low solubility of its sulfate derivative."

so natural fluoride, calcium fluoride is harmless due to its chemical structure.

This is found in natural spring water, sea water

found on this also; on; http://www.gjne.com/fluoride/fluoride%20apathy.htm

"The most common form of fluorine in nature is Calcium Fluoride, commonly called Fluor-spar. Fluor-spar is relatively stable, and thus is less toxic than the man-made toxic-waste derivations of fluorine

FLUORINE
--Fluorine is the most highly-reactive and chemically unstable of ALL existing chemical elements. Fluorine is not found by itself in nature, because it is so unstable that it chemically combines--violently, in many cases--with practically any other element.2

[dalem]

What really concerns me about Fluoride is it's comulative effect and Thyroid function.
Fluoride is in a lot of foods both natural and processed foods. One of the worst sources of accumilated Fluoride is in products made from animal bone ( because that's where it accumilates most ) and what do we use Bone products for ?
Our poor pets and for Bone Meal that gardeners spread on their gardens to help their food grow. Seems like a vicious circle to me.

In one of your posts you say about Calcium Fluoride as being "considered relatively harmless" That is too ambiguous for my liking. Relative to what.
They never actually say it's safe to eat.
They used to say Asbestos was safe.
They used to say Lead in petrol was safe.

Sorry if my thread has made anyone nervous or worried, that was not my intention.
It's not all doom and gloom because there are ways to rid the body of Halide toxins (Chloride, Fluoride, Bromide, ) group 17 in the Periodic Table and that is by correct use of Iodine.
If you take too much of one of those Halides it can kick out the others, it's called Competitive Inhibition For example if you take too much Bromide it will release Iodine from your body, if you take too much Fluoride it will release Iodine from your body, conversely if you take enough Iodine it will release Bromide, Fluoride and Chloride from your body. (usually excreted in urine ).

Our bodies are exposed to too much Fluoride, Chloride and Bromide in the environment and we don't need them even in small ammounts ( Your body has no use for them )
We need to take Iodine to rectify this. But that is another subject, there are threads on Iodine on forum.

[dalem]

Originally Posted by indigowarrior

Can you explain to where you think the fluoride in the tea comes from then?
if it is from the watering of the plants then everything that grows has fluoride in it.

Rooibos is grown only in the Cedarberg area and around the villages Clanwilliam and Citrusdal, which are situated to the north of Cape Town in South Africa.
The Olifants river runs through Clanwilliam and Citrusdal, Clanwilliam has a huge dam and the water is used to irrigate crops. Water will also leech into the surrounding soils and tributaries.
Another crop that is irrigated here is south afrcan grapes.
It is quite feasable and likely that the Crops around here will draw not only nutrients but also toxins such as Fluoride.

Source:
International Water Management Institute (IWMI),
141 Cresswell Street, Private Bag X813, Silverton 0127, Pretoria, South Africa


Moreover degradation of the water quality in the rivers is increasing, due to direct and indirect pollutions from certain users (mines, industries), and difficulties of dilution. BKS gives an impressive list of water quality variables of concern: pH, Potassium, Sulphate, Magnesium, Sodium, Chloride, Fluoride, Aluminum, Iron, Manganese.

Commercial farming dominates the sector with 95 % of the irrigated area, thanks to huge investments in the past (there are 30 major dams and a total of 2500 dams in the basin) and services provided by the state for decades.

The risk of heath problems is indeed high. The Olifants River has been ranked number 2 among the top 120 high potential health risk areas of South Africa (National Microbial Water Quality Monitoring Programme, August 2000). This is especially worrying given the fact that a large number of people in rural areas still take their drinking water from the rivers.

[laidbklad]

Oh ffs why did I have to find this shit I honestly don't know who is right out of you lot but since I drink between 5 to 10 cups of it a day, and my teeth are feeling strong, I shall continue the trend.

BTW anyone got anymore info on this subject they would like to share?

[moods999]

180.16mg/kg Coarse Tea
72.62-89.02mg/kg Green Tea
71.11mg/kg Refined Green Tea
30-340 mg/kg Black Tea(16 samples)
4.57mg/l Tea
1.01-5.20mg/l De-caffeinated Teas
2.58-3.69mg/l Milk Tea(fr.Brick Tea)
77mg/kg Pu'er Brick Tea
441mg/kg Bianxiao Brick Tea
6.0-6.9mg/ kg Herbal Teas
7.8mg per cup 1 Cup Black Tea
15.6mg/L “Wisdom of the Ancients” Instant Green Tea
2.95mg/L Dr. Oetker Black Tea
3.99mg/L Apicha Black Tea

Herbal tea 6-6,9 mg per KG. Even if you use 2kg herbs you get less fluoride than in one liter of instant green tea.

[quietgirl]

This is very interesting, as somewhat disturbing, as I love Rooibos tea .

I'll have to do some more reading up on this subject. Thanks for the info!

Mandy