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Old 07-04-2010, 06:42 PM   #1
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I had several conversations with a satanic freemason/black magician who told me that in order to become a high ranking mason, training with Dugpas/Dukpas was the last step to becoming fully Illuminated. This makes perfect sense to me. The symbolic red cap well known in freemasonry and the Dugpas who are well versed black magicians/sorcerers wear the very same red cap. I don't think it is a coincidence.


I found this excerpt which more or less sums em up....


In the East, they are known as the “Brothers of the Shadow,” living men possessed by the earth-bound elementaries; at times—their masters, but ever in the long run falling victims to these terrible beings. In Sikkim and Tibet they are called Dug-pas (red-caps), in contra-distinction to the Geluk-pas (yellow-caps), to which latter most of the adepts belong. And here we must beg the reader not to misunderstand us. For though the whole of Bhûtan and Sikkim belongs to the old religion of the Bhons, now known generally as the Dug-pas, we do not mean to have it understood that the whole of the population is possessed, en masse, or that they are all sorcerers. Among them are found as good men as anywhere else, and we speak above only of the élite of their Lamaseries, of a nucleus of priests, "devil-dancers," and fetish worshippers, whose dreadful and mysterious rites are utterly unknown to the greater part of the population. (Blavatsky Collected Writings, vol. 6, pp. 197-198)
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"Masters" of Black-Tantra, right?
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I had several conversations with a satanic freemason/black magician who told me that in order to become a high ranking mason, training with Dugpas/Dukpas was the last step to becoming fully Illuminated. This makes perfect sense to me. The symbolic red cap well known in freemasonry and the Dugpas who are well versed black magicians/sorcerers wear the very same red cap. I don't think it is a coincidence.
Ehm... Excuse me for butting in, i shan't comment on the Dugpa, as I have no knowledge of that subject - but you wouldn't happen to be able to share which Grand Lodge this individual is a member of, so I can ask our GM to remove them from the list of recognized Grand Lodges?
No need to name names, or tell me which specific lodge he's in, just the country - or state - GL will do admirably.

On another note, which "symbolic red cap that is well known in freemasonry" are you referring to?
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Yes, which also makes perfect sense. Seeing as there are probably no women in this sect, they practice on each other.
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Ehm... Excuse me for butting in, i shan't comment on the Dugpa, as I have no knowledge of that subject - but you wouldn't happen to be able to share which Grand Lodge this individual is a member of, so I can ask our GM to remove them from the list of recognized Grand Lodges?
No need to name names, or tell me which specific lodge he's in, just the country - or state - GL will do admirably.

On another note, which "symbolic red cap that is well known in freemasonry" are you referring to?
Erm No. Why would YOU want them removed? Shouldn't you know the answer to the red cap question yourself?
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I had several conversations with a satanic freemason/black magician who told me that in order to become a high ranking mason, training with Dugpas/Dukpas was the last step to becoming fully Illuminated. This makes perfect sense to me. The symbolic red cap well known in freemasonry and the Dugpas who are well versed black magicians/sorcerers wear the very same red cap. I don't think it is a coincidence.


I found this excerpt which more or less sums em up....


In the East, they are known as the “Brothers of the Shadow,” living men possessed by the earth-bound elementaries; at times—their masters, but ever in the long run falling victims to these terrible beings. In Sikkim and Tibet they are called Dug-pas (red-caps), in contra-distinction to the Geluk-pas (yellow-caps), to which latter most of the adepts belong. And here we must beg the reader not to misunderstand us. For though the whole of Bhûtan and Sikkim belongs to the old religion of the Bhons, now known generally as the Dug-pas, we do not mean to have it understood that the whole of the population is possessed, en masse, or that they are all sorcerers. Among them are found as good men as anywhere else, and we speak above only of the élite of their Lamaseries, of a nucleus of priests, "devil-dancers," and fetish worshippers, whose dreadful and mysterious rites are utterly unknown to the greater part of the population. (Blavatsky Collected Writings, vol. 6, pp. 197-198)
Well either you are lying or the guy has duped you
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Erm No. Why would YOU want them removed? Shouldn't you know the answer to the red cap question yourself?
Well, I'm not a huge fan of sacrificing sheep for one - or, is this a veiled reference to the Taxil hoax and the conspiracy idea that everyone in Masonry is a satanist that worships Jabuhlon? Please don't tell me it's that. Really. Please. I'll be very disappointing!

But then again, the other option is... Well. anyway, it's not a big deal, really, which Grand Lodge? I won't even give them a call, but I'm just curious which one I should never visit, or admit anyone, as they're not being diligent in their acceptance process.

As for the red cap, I'd really like to hear it from you.
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Well either you are lying or the guy has duped you

So I am either a liar or a fool in your opinion? What leads you to that conclusion?
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[QUOTE=humason;1058785100]Well, I'm not a huge fan of sacrificing sheep for one - or, is this a veiled reference to the Taxil hoax and the conspiracy idea that everyone in Masonry is a satanist that worships Jabuhlon? <img src="images/smilies/smile.gif" alt="" title="Smile" smilieid="1" class="inlineimg" border="0"> Please don't tell me it's that. Really. Please. I'll be very disappointing!<br>
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But then again, the other option is... Well. anyway, it's not a big deal, really, which Grand Lodge? I won't even give them a call, but I'm just curious which one I should never visit, or admit anyone, as they're not being diligent in their acceptance process.<br>
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As for the red cap, I'd really like to hear it from you.[/QUOTEI<br>



I haven't said once that ALL masons are satanist's I have relatives that are not satanist's but are masons. I know a mason that is a satanist, so what?

Red cap aka Bonnet Rouge - makes sense to me that two are connected. A brief explanation of both.


The Phrygian cap of the Mithraic mysteries, known as the Bonnet Rouge, became the emblem of the revolutionaries and the Masonic tenets of Equality, Liberty and Fraternity their rallying cry. Mirabeau, one of the founders of the Revolution, allegedly said when the Bastille was stormed, "the idolatry of the monarchy has received a death blow from the sons and daughters of the Order of the Templars.



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Tibet is still the "land of mystery," the one country in the world which has kept itself relatively free from outside influences, and which in almost every case still refuses admittance to the curiosity-seeking foreigner. The aborigines of Tibet -- now a degraded race -- are the descendants of once mighty and wise forefathers. Their ethnical characteristics show that they are not pure Turanians, and their religion, called Bhon, shows a marked resemblance to the popular rites of the Babylonians. In reality, the Bhon religion is a degenerated remnant of the secret teaching which was the source of the Chaldean Mysteries, and which in the course of time sank into sorcery and necromancy. Its followers include a sect called Dugpas, or "Red Caps," whose history forms a close parallel to that of the "Red Hats" of Rome.
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The Phrygian cap of the Mithraic mysteries, known as the Bonnet Rouge, became the emblem of the revolutionaries and the Masonic tenets of Equality, Liberty and Fraternity their rallying cry. Mirabeau, one of the founders of the Revolution, allegedly said when the Bastille was stormed, "the idolatry of the monarchy has received a death blow from the sons and daughters of the Order of the Templars.
Reading that, it would seem on the face of it that the only connection between the bonnet rouge and masonry is that the Bonnet Rouge adopted those Masonic tenets as their motto. Given that those tenmets are fairly broad and universally acceptable, is it fair to come to the conclusion that this means there is a direct link between the two organisations?
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So I am either a liar or a fool in your opinion? What leads you to that conclusion?
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http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/worl...0206-njvs.html


There. A connection.

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First off, I think it is really ignorant of you to suggest that I am either, what do you know about the subject I am mentioning? Anything? Do you know any satanic masons?

Why would a mason come up with a story about Dugpas? I knew this person very well, and he is not the sort of person who fabricates stuff...at all.

The symbology of the red cap appears to be across the board if you research it. It is possible and plausible that the Romans traveled further than imagined. Why would the red cap in question be used on certain American seals etc...? What is the connection?
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Something about red hats no doubt;LOL







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These major schools are sometimes said to constitute the ”Old Translation” and ”New Translation” traditions, the latter following from the historical Kadampa lineage of translations and tantric lineages. Another common differentiation is into "Red Hat" and "Yellow Hat" schools.


Later history

From the outset Buddhism was opposed by the native shamanistic Bön religion, which had the support of the aristocracy, but with royal patronage it thrived to a peak under King Rälpachän (817-836). Terminology in translation was standardised around 825, enabling a translation methodology that was highly literal. Despite a reversal in Buddhist influence which began under King Langdarma (836-842), the following centuries saw a colossal effort in collecting available Indian sources, many of which are now extant only in Tibetan translation.


Red Hat sect (Tibetan Buddhism)

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/...7/Red-Hat-sect

Ancient Tibetan Bonpo Shamanism

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The Nazis and Tibet, this is an interesting little tidbit

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclop...ition-to-Tibet

The swastika in movement generates the transcendental sexual electricity.

Hitler understood these things. This is why he chose the swastika as the symbol of his Party. However, Hitler let himself be dazzled by the "Man with the green gloves" who belonged to the Dag Dugpa Clan. This man was the one who taught Hitler to crystallize everything negatively.

When Von Litz capitulated, the monks in Lhasa (of the Dag Dugpa Clan) launched themselves upon the streets and celebrated the capitulation of Berlin.

The Second World War was a duel between the teachings of Gurdjieff and that of the Dag Dugpas. This duel was imported from Tibet and it was a true struggle between the white and black magicians of Tibet.



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I wonder if they are wearing Red hats ?

"Master Padma said: In the future, when the dark age of degeneration arrives, some people who claim to be practitioners will desire to teach others without having received permission. Without having practised themselves they will instruct others in meditation. Without being liberated themselves they will pretend to give instructions for liberation. Without being devoid of self-interest they will instruct others to cast away their fetters of attachment and be generous. Without the slightest understanding of the good or evil of their own actions they will spout clairvoyant statements about good or evil fare of others. Having no stability themselves they will claim to be benefiting other beings. I think there will be many who will pretend, be hypocritical, cheat, and deceive in the name of the Dharma.



The 70 ft. high Buddha statue is built within the Sequoia Valley, now known as the Bohemian Grove. It is modeled after the Daibutsu of Kamakura, the Great Buddha from Japan. The statue used to be part of the Cremation of Care.





Padmasambhava (circa 755 -797)

"...The vulture, who soars through the skies,
Descends for food by the power of desire.
Doesn't it notice when it is caught in a snare?

The white snow-lioness,
who majestically poises on the glaciers,
Strays down into the woods by the power of desire
Doesn't she notice when a blizzard has built up?

The tiger, who lives in the sandalwood forests,
Roams through ravines by the power of desire.
Doesn't he notice when an avalanche is striking?

Your mind, the primordial buddha,
Searches elsewhere by the power of desire.
Doesn't it notice that it is wandering in samsara?..."



Introduced Buddhist doctrine into Tibet and exorcized its demons. He is one of the historically identifable founders of Tibetan Buddhism and of the Lamas, as Tibetan Buddhist monks are generally called.

Padmasamhhava (literally, born of the Lotus) was born in the extreme north-west of India, now Pakistan. He was already an accredited Tantric master at the Nalanda university when he was called to Tibet by King Thn-Srong Detsan (740-786). Buddhism had doubtlessly arrived in Tibet one century before, during the reign of the first king, Stong-Btsan (c.610-649) who had married two Buddhist princesses, one from Nepal, and the other from China.

He is the patron saint of the “Red-Hat” sect of Tibetan Buddhism.

http://www.newsfinder.org/site/more/padmasambhava/



Guru Rinpoche Padmasambhava


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THE WARNING: A tribe of red hat and red cloaked people would come in great numbers from the East, traveling through the air. They would colonize the Western American lands and then scatter and disappear.
THE FULFILLMENT: The Tibetans came calling on the Hopi Elders when the first three precursory signs in their own 1,200 year old prophecy concerning the transplantation of their religion to America were fulfilled.

This prophecy coming from Padmasambhava, the founder of Tibetan Buddhism, says, “When the iron bird flies (airplanes) and the horse runs on wheels (cars), the Tibetan people will be scattered like ants across the face of the Earth, and the Dharma will come to the land of the red men.”

http://hogueprophecy.com/prophecy/hopiprophecy.htm



Padmasambhava

1. Excerpts from "The Legend of the Great Stupa,"

"As the Kaliyuga progresses towards the final conflagration, life expectancy of man decreases and the weight of darkness becomes more intense, but these remain restraints on the downward path when the Voice of Buddha is heard and the Path of Dharma followed. Towards the end of the era, when the duration of man's life span has been reduced from sixty to fifty years and there has been no respite in man's increasing egoism, these conditions will prevail, portending the ruin to the Great Stupa: householders fill the monasteries and there is fighting before the altar; the temples are used as slaughterhouses. The ascetics of the caves return to the cultivated valleys and the Yogins become traders; thieves own the wealth and cattle; monks become householders while priests and spiritual leaders turn to robbery, brigandage and thievery. Disorder becomes chaos, turning to panic which rages like wildfire. Corrupt and selfish men become leaders ... the images of the Buddhas, the sacred icons, the scroll paintings and the stupas will be desecrated, stolen and bartered at the market price. ...

"When religious duties are forgotten, spirits of darkness, which had been controlled by ritual power, become unloosed and frenzied and govern the mind of whatever being they possess. Spirits of vindictive power possess monks; ... enchanting spirits causing disease possess men; grasping, quarreling spirits possess women; spirits of wantonness possess maidens; spirits of depravity possess nuns; spirits of rebellion and malice possess children; every man, woman and child in the country becomes possessed by uncontrollable forces of darkness. The signs of these times are new and fantastical modes of dressing-traditional styles forgotten; the monks wear fancy robes and the nuns dress up before a mirror. ...

"The Abbot and Master poison their pupil's minds and hearts; ... men become lewd and licentious; women become unchaste; monks ignore their discipline and moral code; ...

"Drunkards preach the Path to Salvation; the advice of sycophants is followed; fraudulent teachers give false initiations; guileful imposters claim pyschic powers; loquacity and eloquence pass as wisdom. The arrogant elevate profanity; ...

"... the guidance of the Secret Guru execrated, the precepts of the Buddha ignored and the advice of Yogis and Sages unsought. ...

"The celestial order, disrupted, loosens plague, famine and war to terrorize terrestial life. The planets run wild, and the stars fall out of their constellations, great burning stars arise bringing unprecedented disaster. No rain falls in season, but out of season; the valleys are flooded. Famine, frost and hail govern many unproductive years."

http://www.reversespins.com/buddhistprophecy.html

Also,

Padmasambhava's Oral Instructions to Lady Tsogyal, from "Dakini Teachings", Shambhala Press.

"Master Padma said: In the future, when the dark age of degeneration arrives, some people who claim to be practitioners will desire to teach others without having received permission. Without having practised themselves they will instruct others in meditation. Without being liberated themselves they will pretend to give instructions for liberation. Without being devoid of self-interest they will instruct others to cast away their fetters of attachment and be generous. Without the slightest understanding of the good or evil of their own actions they will spout clairvoyant statements about good or evil fare of others. Having no stability themselves they will claim to be benefiting other beings. I think there will be many who will pretend, be hypocritical, cheat, and deceive in the name off the Dharma.

He continues exhorting future generations to find the right teacher, persevere in the practise of the Dharma, apply yourself and do not give up.

furthermore,

Editor: Dakini Teachings date from the 9th century and are also know as "treasure teachings" or terma; Teachings that will be revealed for future generations. Padma Sambhava even described what lamas would reembody and when they would reveal the secret code called "dakini script." Why was there need for a secret code? Because there are forces working behind the scenes and ostensibly for the good of man who decide to change original teachings. Either they want to drag man down or want to legitimize their role and brand of false teachings. They also have been able to hide themselves through the editing of the Bible and taking out reincarnation.



Bunny Wailer - Reincarnated Souls




Nothing is new under the sun,
All has been here since time begun.
And with all the years we've spent,
Only changing names protect the innocent.
Like the seed planted by the water,
Here to die before new birth.
Changing its form to another,
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Brilliant. Great pics and info









symbolic info of Cap

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I found this interesting

http://mill-valley.freemasonry.biz/g...knot-order.htm

http://members.casema.nl/s2g/mm/US/Congress.html


I thought this was interesting too, the Merongivians claimed to be from a Cimmerian tribe

http://www.fluckers.com/family/daspit/merovingian.html
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In revolutionary France the cap, the bonnet rouge, was first seen publicly in May 1790, at a festival in Troyes adorning a statue representing the nation, and at Lyon, on a lance carried by the goddess Libertas.. To this day the national emblem of France, Marianne, is shown wearing a Phrygian cap.
In this 1793 British cartoon by James Gillray, who was deeply hostile to the French Revolution, a Phrygian cap substitutes for Scylla on the dangerous rocky shore, as Britannia's boat navigates between Scylla and Charybdis

In 1792, when Louis XVI was induced to sign a constitution, popular prints of the king were doctored to show him wearing the bonnet rouge. The bust of Voltaire was crowned with the red bonnet of liberty after a performance of his Brutus at the Comédie-Française in March 1792. The spire of the cathedral in Strasbourg was crowned with a bonnet rouge in order to prevent it from being torn down in 1794.

By wearing the red Phrygian cap the Paris sans-culottes made their Revolutionary ardour and plebeian solidarity immediately recognizable. During the period of the Great Terror, the cap was adopted defensively even by those who might be denounced as moderates or aristocrats and were especially keen to advertise their adherence to the new regime.

The cap was also incorporated into the symbol of the late 18th century Irish revolutionary organization the Society of the United Irishmen. The English Radicals of 1819 and 1820 often wore a white "cap of liberty" on public occasions.

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Reading headlines today about Haiti surrendering Sovereignty to Bankers and the like I thought this seemed appropriate





The Phrygian cap is a soft, red, conical cap, worn in antiquity by the inhabitants of Phrygia, a region of central Anatolia. The cap was also worn by the priests of Mithera. The Phrygian cap likely was the processor of the miter used in many of the world’s religions. In Antiquity the Phrygian cap had two meanings: for the Greeks it represented a distinctive Eastern (Persian) influence of non-Greek "barbarism." Among the Romans it became a badge of liberty. In its association with the Mitheric Mysteries the Phrygian cap came to be an outward sign of enlightenment or illumination. For example, in a sixth century mosaic from the Basilica of Sant'Apollinare Nuovo in Ravenna, Italy the three Wise Men (thought to be initiates of the Eastern Mysteries) are shown wearing the Phrygian cap. During the Roman Empire the Phrygian cap (Latin, pileus) was worn on festive occasions such as the Saturnalia, and by former slaves who had been emancipated by their master and whose descendants were therefore considered citizens of the Empire. This usage is often considered the root of its meaning as a symbol of liberty.

In the 18th century, the red Phrygian cap evolved into a symbol of freedom, held aloft on a Liberty Pole during the American Revolutionary War. The Phrygian cap became very popular during the French Revolution as a symbol of liberty. It is important to recall that this liberty is the Satanic counterfeit as represented by the pagan goddess of liberty in all of her forms. In France Marianne was shown wearing a Phrygian cap. The U.S. army adopted the Phrygian cap as a part of their seal since 1778, when they adopted the “War Office Seal”. Since 1886 the U.S. Senate has used the Phrygian cap as a part of its seal. Pope Benedict will also on occasion sport a red Phrygian cap.

Santa Claus:

Another figure to be seen is a Phrygian cap is Santa Clause. Santa Claus, also known as Saint Nicholas, Father Christmas, Kris Kringle, or simply "Santa", is a figure in Western cultures, described as bringing gifts on Christmas Eve or Christmas Day, or on his feast day, December 6. Santa Claus often is characterized as a gnome. A gnome is a mythical creature characterized by its extremely small size and subterranean lifestyle. The word gnome is derived from the New Latin gnomus. It is often claimed to descend from the Greek gnosis, "knowledge", but more likely comes from genomos "earth-dweller."

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